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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)

The interesting thing for me is that he put up over 1,200 yards on 85 receptions and 12 touchdowns as a receiver in a part-time role with a quarterback who just fell to the fifth round in the NFL draft. Sanders's falling may not have everything to do with his talent, and I think he is a better quarterback talent-wise than the fifth round, but I do feel Tlaw is better than Sanders overall. He was more of a corner than receiver at Colorado. According to reports, he focused on meetings and game planning in the DB room in Colorado. What can he do learning even more about the position from NFL coaching and offensive NFL schemes?

BTJ is the number one for sure. He will also garner #1 defensive game planning and coverage. I can not see a world where Hunter is unsuccessful, and he is most definitely worthy of a top-five pick in any format. My only concern is the Jaguars' game plan to play differently in random games, like when Justin Jefferson comes to town or Jamar Chase, someone like that, and they decide for random games to play Hunter more as a shutdown corner in those circumstances. A concern for sure, but not enough for me to not take a chance on Hunter.

As far as stats go, I can see over 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdowns with 60-70 receptions in his rookie season, with him playing WR more than DB.

If you pass on him in your drafts in the top five and he fails to get better stats than Tet, you will look like a genius. However, if you pass on him and he becomes the next generational talent at the position, you will be kicking yourself for a few years. I would rather swing and miss than watch him for four years on redzone killing the NFL softly or not so softly every week for years.

Lastly, I think what the Jaguars gave up to acquire Travis Hunter speaks more to their view of him as an offensive player than a corner. Liam Coen is becoming one of those offensive head coaches who is starting to get the league's respect as an excellent offensive mind. The juice is worth the squeeze on Travis Hunter. You can not hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. You can definitely swing and miss, but you will never hit a home run without swinging the bat.
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.

 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Who had the other -243 passing yards?
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Who had the other -243 passing yards?

Probably sack yardage?

I think it counts against team passing stats but it definitely does not count against an individual player's stats in the NFL.
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Who had the other -243 passing yards?
Kyle Trask threw for 5 yards. The rest was yards lost on sacks.
 
I chickened out. 1.04 on the clock I went Henderson. I was 100% undecided for about an hour. He’s a superstar. I’m already regretting it.

For those of you that made the decision to go for it, good luck.

I get this. Sitting in at 1.3 & 1.5, I have a win-now team in desperate need of two RBs and I'm more than satisfied with the RB options at these spots (Henderson might be the headliner). No shortage of high end talent or depth at WR on my current roster. Travis Hunter is a conundrum and a temptation I didn't want to negotiate at these spots. I will be relieved if someone else pulls the trigger at 1.2, but that team also needs RB.

If he's Chad Johnson/Justin Jefferson/Odell Beckham, all comps that I've heard but have healthy skepticism for at this point, I will have to take him at 1.3. Only if I become convinced such lofty comps are solid. The RB opportunity cost, workload concerns, and added injury and position priority risks are worth it at that level. IF those comps are aspirational, and WR20-24 is more likely, that becomes a HUGE miss at that spot given my glaring need at RB. The presence of BTJ alone is probably reason enough to believe low end WR2 is more likely than a top-5 stud. Low-end WR2s aren't in demand in a league that only has the hypothetical top 33-36 WRs in starting lineups. Adding another guy in this range to my WR room adds very little to my team.

I don't have to make the decision until August. Maybe I won't have to make it at all if he goes 1.2. I wouldn't beat yourself up for making a safer pick at that spot in April. I'm legitimately tempted to take Henderson over both Hunter and Hampton at 1.3, even though one should be off the board.
Hunter was there for me at 1.04 in my first rookie draft. Dynasty IDP league with good points available for both WRs and DBs. No brainer to me, so long as he has success on one side of the ball. He should have boom potential every game.
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Who had the other -243 passing yards?

Probably sack yardage?

I think it counts against team passing stats but it definitely does not count against an individual player's stats in the NFL.

Yep, one of the weird idiosyncracies of how the NFL records sack yardage. It counts against team passing stats, but not individual passing stats.

To make it even more confusing the NCAA tracks it differently than the NFL, counting sack yardage as negative rushing yards against the QB's individual stats.
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Nice use of stats but what is this about?
Why am I reading a detailed breakdown of the Bucs offense?

-"DUUUVAAAL" I get it that Liam is coming across I-4 and over to Jacksonville but I want to point out something you leave out of these nifty stats
It puts all the glory on Liam Coen, let me share that Mike Evans was Hall of Fame BEFORE Liam Coen arrived and Godwin was a terrific WR BEFORE Liam was the OC

But even more than that, let's add this to the mix because it's rather important
LT- Tristan Whirfs - NFL All Pro, Top 3-5 Left Tackle
C - Graham Barton - Was a high drafted rookie last year that played T/G in college and Bucs converted him to Center. Stabilized the middle of the OL and helped Bucky breakout
RG- Cody Mauch (nice front teeth) - He had a terrific 2nd season last year and took a step towards becoming a premier IOL. Barton/Mauch "A" gap is quite promising
RT- Luke Goedeke - Ranked 27th/81 starting Tackles in the NFL, his best season thus far. 2nd Rd in '22, contract year for him, lot to play for
LG- Ben Bredeson - A below Avg Left Guard, weakest starter on the OL but he is sandwiched between Whirfs and Barton, but clearly the weakest link right now

Should we line that up vs what the Jags roll out their as the starting OL?
I went up and down their starters from last season and they mostly grade out average to below average, they don't have an All Pro anywhere close to Whirfs.
The Tackles allow Baker Mayfield to drop back and make those pretty passes, I'm of the mindset a lot of QBs would have success in Tampa Bay right now.
Watch what you are hitching your wagon to, the OL difference is going to severely limit what Liam can implement over in DUUUVAAAL
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Nice use of stats but what is this about?
Why am I reading a detailed breakdown of the Bucs offense?

-"DUUUVAAAL" I get it that Liam is coming across I-4 and over to Jacksonville but I want to point out something you leave out of these nifty stats
It puts all the glory on Liam Coen, let me share that Mike Evans was Hall of Fame BEFORE Liam Coen arrived and Godwin was a terrific WR BEFORE Liam was the OC

But even more than that, let's add this to the mix because it's rather important
LT- Tristan Whirfs - NFL All Pro, Top 3-5 Left Tackle
C - Graham Barton - Was a high drafted rookie last year that played T/G in college and Bucs converted him to Center. Stabilized the middle of the OL and helped Bucky breakout
RG- Cody Mauch (nice front teeth) - He had a terrific 2nd season last year and took a step towards becoming a premier IOL. Barton/Mauch "A" gap is quite promising
RT- Luke Goedeke - Ranked 27th/81 starting Tackles in the NFL, his best season thus far. 2nd Rd in '22, contract year for him, lot to play for
LG- Ben Bredeson - A below Avg Left Guard, weakest starter on the OL but he is sandwiched between Whirfs and Barton, but clearly the weakest link right now

Should we line that up vs what the Jags roll out their as the starting OL?
I went up and down their starters from last season and they mostly grade out average to below average, they don't have an All Pro anywhere close to Whirfs.
The Tackles allow Baker Mayfield to drop back and make those pretty passes, I'm of the mindset a lot of QBs would have success in Tampa Bay right now.
Watch what you are hitching your wagon to, the OL difference is going to severely limit what Liam can implement over in DUUUVAAAL
Ugh, that Jags O-line is :poop:. And all they took in the draft was a middle round guard and a Center in the 7th I believe. I don't mind the Hunter pick, but damn they needed help on the offensive front. Probably yet another mediocre year from T-Law.
 
Took Hunter at 1.03 in a league without IDP, but scores all players as IDP. This guy is going to be a straight up cheat code in that league even if he splits time at WR and CB.
 
Let's look at some Tampa Bay passing stats and see what we think.

In the 2024 season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers passed for 4,257 yards, with 408 completions out of 571 attempts. Baker Mayfield led the team in passing yards with 4,500. The Buccaneers' passing yards per game average was 250.4, ranking third in the league.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  • Total Passing Yards: 4,257
  • Completions: 408
  • Attempts: 571
  • Passing Yards per Game: 250.4
  • Passing Touchdowns: 41
  • Interceptions: 7
  • Top Passer: Baker Mayfield with 4,500 yards
  • In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bucs) ranked third in the league for passing yards per game, averaging 250.4 yards per game. While their passing offense was potent, they were surpassed by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Detroit Lions, who averaged 272.9 and 266.3 passing yards per game, respectively.

    Here's a more detailed look:
    • Passing Yards Per Game:
      The Buccaneers averaged 250.4 passing yards per game, placing them in the league's top tier.

    • League Comparison:
      According to FOX Sports, they were behind the Bengals (272.9 yards per game) and the Lions (263.2 yards per game) in passing yards.

    • Other Key Stats:
      The Buccaneers also ranked third in total yards per game (399.6) and fourth in rushing yards per game (149.2).

    • Quarterback Performance:
      Baker Mayfield's completion percentage was third in the league, and he set a career high in that category.

    • The Tampa Bay Buccaneers averaged 29.0 points per game in the 2024 NFL season. They scored 502 points in 17 games, with 29.5 points scored on average per game.
Nice use of stats but what is this about?
Why am I reading a detailed breakdown of the Bucs offense?

-"DUUUVAAAL" I get it that Liam is coming across I-4 and over to Jacksonville but I want to point out something you leave out of these nifty stats
It puts all the glory on Liam Coen, let me share that Mike Evans was Hall of Fame BEFORE Liam Coen arrived and Godwin was a terrific WR BEFORE Liam was the OC

But even more than that, let's add this to the mix because it's rather important
LT- Tristan Whirfs - NFL All Pro, Top 3-5 Left Tackle
C - Graham Barton - Was a high drafted rookie last year that played T/G in college and Bucs converted him to Center. Stabilized the middle of the OL and helped Bucky breakout
RG- Cody Mauch (nice front teeth) - He had a terrific 2nd season last year and took a step towards becoming a premier IOL. Barton/Mauch "A" gap is quite promising
RT- Luke Goedeke - Ranked 27th/81 starting Tackles in the NFL, his best season thus far. 2nd Rd in '22, contract year for him, lot to play for
LG- Ben Bredeson - A below Avg Left Guard, weakest starter on the OL but he is sandwiched between Whirfs and Barton, but clearly the weakest link right now

Should we line that up vs what the Jags roll out their as the starting OL?
I went up and down their starters from last season and they mostly grade out average to below average, they don't have an All Pro anywhere close to Whirfs.
The Tackles allow Baker Mayfield to drop back and make those pretty passes, I'm of the mindset a lot of QBs would have success in Tampa Bay right now.
Watch what you are hitching your wagon to, the OL difference is going to severely limit what Liam can implement over in DUUUVAAAL
This shows what offense Liam is bringing with him. BTJ is pretty good in his own right. I don't discount the O-line. It could also be better in this offense. Liam is one of the better offensive minds right now, or surely considered an up-and-coming offensive guru, and line issues can be fixed. Nothing is ever without risk in our fake sport hobby. I like what the Jags did and think Hunter could be special in Jacksonville. I'm willing to take the risk on Hunter in the top five in any format than not taking the risk. I think the juice is worth the squeeze, and yes, Liam is a big part of that. I also think with all they paid to get him and the public all in on him, he is going to get a lot of chances to prove James Gladstone right. We will see. Consider me hitched up.
 
Took Hunter at 1.03 in a league without IDP, but scores all players as IDP. This guy is going to be a straight up cheat code in that league even if he splits time at WR and CB.
Yeah, I was gonna say the only format I really want him is IDP, and only if he gets points for both sides of the ball.

That said, if he’s a great WR, you kinda hate seeing him throw his body around on defense. I cringe when one of my WRs is used on KR/PR, much less tackling dudes.

Some risk. Big reward though. Figure a 4 reception/60 yard/1 game but plus 3 tkl, 1 ATK and a PD? Monster.
 
I remember a time when Bengals fans were debating between Chase and Sewell.

I could see both sides, and oddly enough, in a weird way, both sides were right. Chase and Burrow went to a Super Bowl, and of course, we still struggled to keep Burrow healthy. The difference for the Bengals is that we tried to make moves to fix our offensive line issues, but sadly, we failed. I know this situation is not the same, but the problem is similar when I thought about it. I was on team Chase then and still am, but he now costs us a pretty penny. I'm on team Hunter as well, but maybe not as confident. This post has some good viewpoints. I will be watching, though, how this all plays out. I can not say I would pay attention to the Jaguars' football without this move, though, so they did accomplish that—national attention to their franchise.
 
The interesting thing for me is that he put up over 1,200 yards on 85 receptions and 12 touchdowns as a receiver in a part-time role with a quarterback who just fell to the fifth round in the NFL draft. Sanders's falling may not have everything to do with his talent, and I think he is a better quarterback talent-wise than the fifth round, but I do feel Tlaw is better than Sanders overall. He was more of a corner than receiver at Colorado. According to reports, he focused on meetings and game planning in the DB room in Colorado. What can he do learning even more about the position from NFL coaching and offensive NFL schemes?

BTJ is the number one for sure. He will also garner #1 defensive game planning and coverage. I can not see a world where Hunter is unsuccessful, and he is most definitely worthy of a top-five pick in any format. My only concern is the Jaguars' game plan to play differently in random games, like when Justin Jefferson comes to town or Jamar Chase, someone like that, and they decide for random games to play Hunter more as a shutdown corner in those circumstances. A concern for sure, but not enough for me to not take a chance on Hunter.

As far as stats go, I can see over 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdowns with 60-70 receptions in his rookie season, with him playing WR more than DB.

If you pass on him in your drafts in the top five and he fails to get better stats than Tet, you will look like a genius. However, if you pass on him and he becomes the next generational talent at the position, you will be kicking yourself for a few years. I would rather swing and miss than watch him for four years on redzone killing the NFL softly or not so softly every week for years.

Lastly, I think what the Jaguars gave up to acquire Travis Hunter speaks more to their view of him as an offensive player than a corner. Liam Coen is becoming one of those offensive head coaches who is starting to get the league's respect as an excellent offensive mind. The juice is worth the squeeze on Travis Hunter. You can not hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. You can definitely swing and miss, but you will never hit a home run without swinging the bat.

I'm happy to have my 1 share of him in an IDP league, but his stats are kinda of bogus IMO. He was an elite athlete in his college career and played against lesser competition at CO; so ofcourse he could dominate any position he wanted. Its going to be real interesting to watch what happens in the pros
 
Took Hunter at 1.03 in a league without IDP, but scores all players as IDP. This guy is going to be a straight up cheat code in that league even if he splits time at WR and CB.
Yeah, I was gonna say the only format I really want him is IDP, and only if he gets points for both sides of the ball.

That said, if he’s a great WR, you kinda hate seeing him throw his body around on defense. I cringe when one of my WRs is used on KR/PR, much less tackling dudes.

Some risk. Big reward though. Figure a 4 reception/60 yard/1 game but plus 3 tkl, 1 ATK and a PD? Monster.
Unless he plays defense in the NFL like Deion did. Deion was allergic to contact and wasn't known for his tackling prowess (or lack thereof)! :laugh: Deion was always in a WR's pocket or would bait the QB into an INT. I'd be ok with Hunter playing like that. Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
 
The interesting thing for me is that he put up over 1,200 yards on 85 receptions and 12 touchdowns as a receiver in a part-time role with a quarterback who just fell to the fifth round in the NFL draft. Sanders's falling may not have everything to do with his talent, and I think he is a better quarterback talent-wise than the fifth round, but I do feel Tlaw is better than Sanders overall. He was more of a corner than receiver at Colorado. According to reports, he focused on meetings and game planning in the DB room in Colorado. What can he do learning even more about the position from NFL coaching and offensive NFL schemes?

BTJ is the number one for sure. He will also garner #1 defensive game planning and coverage. I can not see a world where Hunter is unsuccessful, and he is most definitely worthy of a top-five pick in any format. My only concern is the Jaguars' game plan to play differently in random games, like when Justin Jefferson comes to town or Jamar Chase, someone like that, and they decide for random games to play Hunter more as a shutdown corner in those circumstances. A concern for sure, but not enough for me to not take a chance on Hunter.

As far as stats go, I can see over 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdowns with 60-70 receptions in his rookie season, with him playing WR more than DB.

If you pass on him in your drafts in the top five and he fails to get better stats than Tet, you will look like a genius. However, if you pass on him and he becomes the next generational talent at the position, you will be kicking yourself for a few years. I would rather swing and miss than watch him for four years on redzone killing the NFL softly or not so softly every week for years.

Lastly, I think what the Jaguars gave up to acquire Travis Hunter speaks more to their view of him as an offensive player than a corner. Liam Coen is becoming one of those offensive head coaches who is starting to get the league's respect as an excellent offensive mind. The juice is worth the squeeze on Travis Hunter. You can not hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. You can definitely swing and miss, but you will never hit a home run without swinging the bat.

I'm happy to have my 1 share of him in an IDP league, but his stats are kinda of bogus IMO. He was an elite athlete in his college career and played against lesser competition at CO; so ofcourse he could dominate any position he wanted. Its going to be real interesting to watch what happens in the pros

It's not like his competition was any worse than Jeanty or Hampton's. Nor Tet.
 
Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.

So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.
 
Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.

So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.

I'm with you. I just don't believe he is any more or less athletically gifted than any other player in the league. Shohei Ohtani for instance literally has two elite baseball skillsets and is a unicorn. Not even 100% certain that Travis Hunter is the most athletic guy on his team, he's just kind of being a try hard.


The Jaguars seem like the perfect gullible team to buy into this "gimmick". Gotta take him at #2 because then you get two elite players!! Great, so is he playing full snaps on both sides of the ball? If not, then you're getting at best 1.5 players. Kind of like a long distance college girlfriend, that summer until college you keep telling yourself it's going to work, but once school starts the reality of the situation starts to set in.
 
The interesting thing for me is that he put up over 1,200 yards on 85 receptions and 12 touchdowns as a receiver in a part-time role with a quarterback who just fell to the fifth round in the NFL draft. Sanders's falling may not have everything to do with his talent, and I think he is a better quarterback talent-wise than the fifth round, but I do feel Tlaw is better than Sanders overall. He was more of a corner than receiver at Colorado. According to reports, he focused on meetings and game planning in the DB room in Colorado. What can he do learning even more about the position from NFL coaching and offensive NFL schemes?

BTJ is the number one for sure. He will also garner #1 defensive game planning and coverage. I can not see a world where Hunter is unsuccessful, and he is most definitely worthy of a top-five pick in any format. My only concern is the Jaguars' game plan to play differently in random games, like when Justin Jefferson comes to town or Jamar Chase, someone like that, and they decide for random games to play Hunter more as a shutdown corner in those circumstances. A concern for sure, but not enough for me to not take a chance on Hunter.

As far as stats go, I can see over 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdowns with 60-70 receptions in his rookie season, with him playing WR more than DB.

If you pass on him in your drafts in the top five and he fails to get better stats than Tet, you will look like a genius. However, if you pass on him and he becomes the next generational talent at the position, you will be kicking yourself for a few years. I would rather swing and miss than watch him for four years on redzone killing the NFL softly or not so softly every week for years.

Lastly, I think what the Jaguars gave up to acquire Travis Hunter speaks more to their view of him as an offensive player than a corner. Liam Coen is becoming one of those offensive head coaches who is starting to get the league's respect as an excellent offensive mind. The juice is worth the squeeze on Travis Hunter. You can not hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. You can definitely swing and miss, but you will never hit a home run without swinging the bat.

I'm happy to have my 1 share of him in an IDP league, but his stats are kinda of bogus IMO. He was an elite athlete in his college career and played against lesser competition at CO; so ofcourse he could dominate any position he wanted. Its going to be real interesting to watch what happens in the pros

It's not like his competition was any worse than Jeanty or Hampton's. Nor Tet.
In evaluating prospects, it's traits that translate to the pros more than about production. As you mentioned all of those players feasted against weaker competition, though I think that's going to be the case for most of the rookies since not all of them played in the SEC or Big Ten. Hunter's been an elite prospect since high school, 5-star recruit and #1 overall in his class. It would've been nice to have seen how his play would've translated at a bigger program but the league isn't too concerned given his 2nd overall draft capital. Hunter looks naturally gifted as a receiver with still much room for polish. I feel like if he had gone to the Patriots or Panthers and fully committed to WR only, he'd be in discussion for rookie 1.01 even ahead of Jeanty. Fantasy football has evolved from when I started and now superstar WR's are the golden currency. Hunter has that kind of upside at WR. I'll be curious to see how he and BTJ look together.
 
Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.

So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.

I'm with you. I just don't believe he is any more or less athletically gifted than any other player in the league. Shohei Ohtani for instance literally has two elite baseball skillsets and is a unicorn. Not even 100% certain that Travis Hunter is the most athletic guy on his team, he's just kind of being a try hard.


The Jaguars seem like the perfect gullible team to buy into this "gimmick". Gotta take him at #2 because then you get two elite players!! Great, so is he playing full snaps on both sides of the ball? If not, then you're getting at best 1.5 players. Kind of like a long distance college girlfriend, that summer until college you keep telling yourself it's going to work, but once school starts the reality of the situation starts to set in.
BTJ is more physically gifted than Hunter easily. Bigger and faster, he's an athletic freak. I remember one of the concerns with BTJ heading into his rookie season is how he'd handle press coverage and he solved it quickly. Hunter is a pretty good athlete in his own right and he gets credit for his tenacious effort and football IQ. Hunter gets every ounce out of his 6'1", 185-lb. frame. I love how Hunter attacks the ball in the air, he's a hands catcher rather than a body catcher like most receivers of his build. That's why I totally buy that Hunter will be successful, health permitting of course. He'll still need to dial down on the defensive snaps eventually because what he did in college in not sustainable in the pros. Full time WR while moonlighting as a slot corner would be ideal.
 
Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.

So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.
He’ll also be defending against bigger faster stronger in the NFL, and will be tackled by bigger faster stronger while playing WR.

I think you’re correct that he’ll eventually have to pick a side.

Lot of risk with this dude. Again, outside of IDP i think too much risk.
 
Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.

So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.
He’ll also be defending against bigger faster stronger in the NFL, and will be tackled by bigger faster stronger while playing WR.

I think you’re correct that he’ll eventually have to pick a side.

Lot of risk with this dude. Again, outside of IDP i think too much risk.

I think it's situation dependent. I have a really stacked WR core. I traded Tyreek last year for a 1st and the pick turned into 1.5. Fast forward to this year's rookie draft and Hunter is sitting there. I was like "I have a chance to get a "potential talent" generational guy, I'm taking that chance. Can I miss, of course, but I'm looking for a 1 of 1 not a RB who could be around RB8-16 (Jeanty, Hampton and Henderson were gone).
 
Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.

So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.
He’ll also be defending against bigger faster stronger in the NFL, and will be tackled by bigger faster stronger while playing WR.

I think you’re correct that he’ll eventually have to pick a side.

Lot of risk with this dude. Again, outside of IDP i think too much risk.

I think it's situation dependent. I have a really stacked WR core. I traded Tyreek last year for a 1st and the pick turned into 1.5. Fast forward to this year's rookie draft and Hunter is sitting there. I was like "I have a chance to get a "potential talent" generational guy, I'm taking that chance. Can I miss, of course, but I'm looking for a 1 of 1 not a RB who could be around RB8-16 (Jeanty, Hampton and Henderson were gone).
Oh I get it. Don’t blame you.

He’s a talented player. His NFL success is TBD. Unfortunately it seems like the risk is really baked into his price.

But we all have our team context and I can’t blame anyone for taking a shot at him.
 

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