eighsse2
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Who had the other -243 passing yards?
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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)
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Probably sack yardage?
I think it counts against team passing stats but it definitely does not count against an individual player's stats in the NFL.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Kyle Trask threw for 5 yards. The rest was yards lost on sacks.
Caveman_Nick
Footballguy
Hunter was there for me at 1.04 in my first rookie draft. Dynasty IDP league with good points available for both WRs and DBs. No brainer to me, so long as he has success on one side of the ball. He should have boom potential every game.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Still not available in our Yahoo redraft as a WR. Presumably this will be resolved.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yep, one of the weird idiosyncracies of how the NFL records sack yardage. It counts against team passing stats, but not individual passing stats.
To make it even more confusing the NCAA tracks it differently than the NFL, counting sack yardage as negative rushing yards against the QB's individual stats.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What are your expectations of Hunter in 2025?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nice use of stats but what is this about?
Why am I reading a detailed breakdown of the Bucs offense?
-"DUUUVAAAL" I get it that Liam is coming across I-4 and over to Jacksonville but I want to point out something you leave out of these nifty stats
It puts all the glory on Liam Coen, let me share that Mike Evans was Hall of Fame BEFORE Liam Coen arrived and Godwin was a terrific WR BEFORE Liam was the OC
But even more than that, let's add this to the mix because it's rather important
LT- Tristan Whirfs - NFL All Pro, Top 3-5 Left Tackle
C - Graham Barton - Was a high drafted rookie last year that played T/G in college and Bucs converted him to Center. Stabilized the middle of the OL and helped Bucky breakout
RG- Cody Mauch (nice front teeth) - He had a terrific 2nd season last year and took a step towards becoming a premier IOL. Barton/Mauch "A" gap is quite promising
RT- Luke Goedeke - Ranked 27th/81 starting Tackles in the NFL, his best season thus far. 2nd Rd in '22, contract year for him, lot to play for
LG- Ben Bredeson - A below Avg Left Guard, weakest starter on the OL but he is sandwiched between Whirfs and Barton, but clearly the weakest link right now
Should we line that up vs what the Jags roll out their as the starting OL?
I went up and down their starters from last season and they mostly grade out average to below average, they don't have an All Pro anywhere close to Whirfs.
The Tackles allow Baker Mayfield to drop back and make those pretty passes, I'm of the mindset a lot of QBs would have success in Tampa Bay right now.
Watch what you are hitching your wagon to, the OL difference is going to severely limit what Liam can implement over in DUUUVAAAL
warpig33
Footballguy
Ugh, that Jags O-line is
. And all they took in the draft was a middle round guard and a Center in the 7th I believe. I don't mind the Hunter pick, but damn they needed help on the offensive front. Probably yet another mediocre year from T-Law.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Took Hunter at 1.03 in a league without IDP, but scores all players as IDP. This guy is going to be a straight up cheat code in that league even if he splits time at WR and CB.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
This shows what offense Liam is bringing with him. BTJ is pretty good in his own right. I don't discount the O-line. It could also be better in this offense. Liam is one of the better offensive minds right now, or surely considered an up-and-coming offensive guru, and line issues can be fixed. Nothing is ever without risk in our fake sport hobby. I like what the Jags did and think Hunter could be special in Jacksonville. I'm willing to take the risk on Hunter in the top five in any format than not taking the risk. I think the juice is worth the squeeze, and yes, Liam is a big part of that. I also think with all they paid to get him and the public all in on him, he is going to get a lot of chances to prove James Gladstone right. We will see. Consider me hitched up.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I was gonna say the only format I really want him is IDP, and only if he gets points for both sides of the ball.
That said, if he’s a great WR, you kinda hate seeing him throw his body around on defense. I cringe when one of my WRs is used on KR/PR, much less tackling dudes.
Some risk. Big reward though. Figure a 4 reception/60 yard/1 game but plus 3 tkl, 1 ATK and a PD? Monster.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
I remember a time when Bengals fans were debating between Chase and Sewell.
I could see both sides, and oddly enough, in a weird way, both sides were right. Chase and Burrow went to a Super Bowl, and of course, we still struggled to keep Burrow healthy. The difference for the Bengals is that we tried to make moves to fix our offensive line issues, but sadly, we failed. I know this situation is not the same, but the problem is similar when I thought about it. I was on team Chase then and still am, but he now costs us a pretty penny. I'm on team Hunter as well, but maybe not as confident. This post has some good viewpoints. I will be watching, though, how this all plays out. I can not say I would pay attention to the Jaguars' football without this move, though, so they did accomplish that—national attention to their franchise.
I could see both sides, and oddly enough, in a weird way, both sides were right. Chase and Burrow went to a Super Bowl, and of course, we still struggled to keep Burrow healthy. The difference for the Bengals is that we tried to make moves to fix our offensive line issues, but sadly, we failed. I know this situation is not the same, but the problem is similar when I thought about it. I was on team Chase then and still am, but he now costs us a pretty penny. I'm on team Hunter as well, but maybe not as confident. This post has some good viewpoints. I will be watching, though, how this all plays out. I can not say I would pay attention to the Jaguars' football without this move, though, so they did accomplish that—national attention to their franchise.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I'm happy to have my 1 share of him in an IDP league, but his stats are kinda of bogus IMO. He was an elite athlete in his college career and played against lesser competition at CO; so ofcourse he could dominate any position he wanted. Its going to be real interesting to watch what happens in the pros
warpig33
Footballguy
Unless he plays defense in the NFL like Deion did. Deion was allergic to contact and wasn't known for his tackling prowess (or lack thereof)!
Deion was always in a WR's pocket or would bait the QB into an INT. I'd be ok with Hunter playing like that. Shutting down an offensive player just by his presence.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Only trouble there is the very best cover corners are kinda not great FF assets.
So you’re really hoping he’s good, but not so good QBs won’t throw to his cover assignment.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He will be winded from offense, perfect scenario.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It's not like his competition was any worse than Jeanty or Hampton's. Nor Tet.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I'd have a handful of receivers run go routes at him for every play that's on defense. Between that and having him play offense he should be gassed by the second half. Granted he played a ton of snaps in college but all of that could eventually wear him down. I think long term Hunter will have to move away from CB and focus on WR, assuming he's as excellent of a WR prospect as advertised. I think his frame plays better at WR than it does at CB.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
In evaluating prospects, it's traits that translate to the pros more than about production. As you mentioned all of those players feasted against weaker competition, though I think that's going to be the case for most of the rookies since not all of them played in the SEC or Big Ten. Hunter's been an elite prospect since high school, 5-star recruit and #1 overall in his class. It would've been nice to have seen how his play would've translated at a bigger program but the league isn't too concerned given his 2nd overall draft capital. Hunter looks naturally gifted as a receiver with still much room for polish. I feel like if he had gone to the Patriots or Panthers and fully committed to WR only, he'd be in discussion for rookie 1.01 even ahead of Jeanty. Fantasy football has evolved from when I started and now superstar WR's are the golden currency. Hunter has that kind of upside at WR. I'll be curious to see how he and BTJ look together.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
BTJ is more physically gifted than Hunter easily. Bigger and faster, he's an athletic freak. I remember one of the concerns with BTJ heading into his rookie season is how he'd handle press coverage and he solved it quickly. Hunter is a pretty good athlete in his own right and he gets credit for his tenacious effort and football IQ. Hunter gets every ounce out of his 6'1", 185-lb. frame. I love how Hunter attacks the ball in the air, he's a hands catcher rather than a body catcher like most receivers of his build. That's why I totally buy that Hunter will be successful, health permitting of course. He'll still need to dial down on the defensive snaps eventually because what he did in college in not sustainable in the pros. Full time WR while moonlighting as a slot corner would be ideal.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’ll also be defending against bigger faster stronger in the NFL, and will be tackled by bigger faster stronger while playing WR.
I think you’re correct that he’ll eventually have to pick a side.
Lot of risk with this dude. Again, outside of IDP i think too much risk.
Tha Guru
Footballguy
I think it's situation dependent. I have a really stacked WR core. I traded Tyreek last year for a 1st and the pick turned into 1.5. Fast forward to this year's rookie draft and Hunter is sitting there. I was like "I have a chance to get a "potential talent" generational guy, I'm taking that chance. Can I miss, of course, but I'm looking for a 1 of 1 not a RB who could be around RB8-16 (Jeanty, Hampton and Henderson were gone).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I get it. Don’t blame you.
He’s a talented player. His NFL success is TBD. Unfortunately it seems like the risk is really baked into his price.
But we all have our team context and I can’t blame anyone for taking a shot at him.
Travis Hunter takes step forward
Compared to Travis Hunter's performance in rookie minicamp -- where he looked like an electric athlete who still was learning being a full-time receiver -- it seemed as if Hunter's first OTA practice was a noticeable step forward. Hunter was crisper in his routes, showed consistent hands, and was able to make a number of plays in team drills.Considering Hunter's college usage as a receiver, there will clearly be some progression and development to his game. The fact he is already improving from his first practice is a good sign for the Jaguars and for Hunter, and he very obviously will play a major role in the Jaguars' offense in 2025 and beyond.
Source: https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/amthony-campanile-trevor-lawrence-jacksonville-travis-hunter
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL: Dez Bryant Defends Travis Hunter After Struggles at Jaguars OTAs
... The dynamic two-way star has experienced a rocky start during OTAs, leading to criticism of his early performance —
... videos surfaced showing the rookie stumbling on routes and looking sluggish at cornerback.
... The dynamic two-way star has experienced a rocky start during OTAs, leading to criticism of his early performance —
... videos surfaced showing the rookie stumbling on routes and looking sluggish at cornerback.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m thinking expectations for him are juuuuuuust a smidge higher than that.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
anyone worried that his wife is going to destroy his career
pinkstapler
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not yet, why?
pinkstapler
Footballguy
This might have 0 to do with what KellysHeroes was referencing so none of the following should reflect on his post. But from what I (unfortunately) came across the negative stories about his wife pretty much boil down to TMZ/tabloid level gossip overreaching into celebrities lives. Unless I've missed something new and ground breaking it's basically:
She didn't stand up fast enough to clap when he won the Heisman. Means she doesn't actually love him.
She had photos on her IG of her dancing with another guy at some point. Makes her a *garden tool*.
There are 0 context pictures where family members at his wedding were caught not smiling for a few seconds. This means they hate her and the marriage.
He bought her an AMG G63 as a wedding gift. He's obviously the first athlete to splurge on expensive items when he hits his payday, and the fact he spent it on his wife makes him a cuck.
And then multiple insinuations with 0 evidence that his family is jealous/upset with how Hunter is spending money on her. That him not having a prenup must mean she's a money chaser. And then some read between the lines stuff that for me is uncomfortably close to racist and misogynistic undertones. And I am like the LAST person to be pulling out either of those cards out flippantly.
It all seems kind of gross to me tbh. People need to get a life and stop living vicariously through celebrities/negging celebrities to feel better about themselves.
And as far as fantasy football is concerned, IMO opening a new thread on the tush push would provide the boards more value than digging into any of the above any further.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
it might be a very minor concern but I can see her being toxic to him and bringing him down, affecting his play and career
Grid71
Footballguy
Hunter's presence helps open things up for BTJ. They'll compliment each other very well.
Looking back at Tampa's 2023 season when Evans & Godwin played all 17 games, targets were 24.7% Evans 23.6% Godwin. (all RB combined 17% target share)
Hunter should see almost all of his snaps from the outside getting deeper targets similar to Evans. BTJ gets more of the slot/Godwin reps and moves around more. I'm thinking BTJ gets more receptions and Hunter more TD.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Except there's no real evidence to give any credence to that concern. So IMO putting time and attention towards that concern is about as fruitful as being concerned of an alien invasion necessitating the US government to reinstitute the draft and looking into what players will and won't be exempt from said draft and baking that into their dynasty value.
When there's domestic abuse allegations from one of them, when litigation is filed against one of them by the other, when we are reading actual police reports, when his family put's out a tell-all book about what's "going on behind the scenes".... then sure. But when all we know/heard is the purposefully misconstrued garbage I posted above, and the only "sources" are anonymous trolls on IG and Xwitter, or publications like "AllHipHop.com" who are just copy and pasting what those aforementioned trolls on social media are saying... cmon man. Let's not do that here. Tabloid news and celebrity gossip has to be the lowest form of media IMO.
If you even spend 5 minutes looking you'll see just as many fluff stories refuting these rumors as are putting them out there. Travis Hunter’s Wife Has Five-Word Reaction To His Mom’s Heartfelt Post-Wedding Message There's one to get you started. And from a source I trust just a modicum more than "IEatA$$_69" with a random set of boobs as their profile pic.
Even if all the nonsense is 100% true and it all blows up; he won't be the first athlete with an ex wife. He'll have a team of lawyers who deal with the headache. This could not be more of a nothing-burger. I'd rather a player thread goes unposted in for a month than resort to using social media rumors about their private lives as bumps.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I was bored so I thought I'd do a little exercise. There's three main arguments against Travis Hunter's fantasy value:
- Concern about snaps due to playing defense
- Concern about being able to produce WR1 numbers with Brian Thomas Jr. in front of him
- Tied in with the above, but concern about Trevor Lawrence's ability to produce a fantasy WR1, let alone two of them
I can't really argue against the first point, that's always going to be the biggest risk with Hunter. But to the other two points, there's plenty of evidence of NFL teams having two (in one case, even three) fantasy WR1's on the same team in the same season. I struggled to come up with a good cutoff point but since I'm just doing this for fun, I decided to have my first year of playing fantasy football (1998) as my arbitrary cutoff point.
In this exercise, I went to Pro Football Reference and used their fantasy rankings for each season and used their position rank for WR and QB. I used the cutoff at overall WR12, so that's not counting any of the great receivers from WR13+. I'm looking for teams who had at least two top-12 fantasy WR's for that season. I'll also include the top fantasy QB for that team and their final ranking for context. I noticed there were a mix of elite QB's and a mix of guys that either performed well above their norm or simply weren't anything special from a fantasy perspective. It shows that TLaw doesn't have to be a top 5 fantasy QB in order for both BTJ and Hunter to put up fantasy WR1 numbers. Not being the team's WR1 doesn't mean the player can't still be a WR1 for your fantasy team. Here were the results I came up with after about an hour of digging:
1998 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR8) -- Randall Cunningham (QB2)
1998 San Francisco 49ers
Terrell Owens (WR3) -- Jerry Rice (WR10) -- Steve Young (QB1)
1998 Denver Broncos
Rod Smith (WR9) -- Ed McCaffrey (WR11) -- John Elway (QB13)
1999 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR3) -- Jeff George (QB14)
1999 Carolina Panthers
Patrick Jeffers (WR7) -- Muhsin Muhammad (WR10) -- Steve Beuerlein (QB2)
2000 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR11) -- Daunte Culpepper (QB2)
2000 Denver Broncos
Rod Smith (WR4) -- Ed McCaffrey (WR8) -- Brian Griese (QB14)
2000 St. Louis Rams
Isaac Bruce (WR6) -- Torry Holt (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB13)
2001 Oakland Raiders
Tim Brown (WR8) -- Jerry Rice (WR12) -- Rich Gannon (QB3)
2002 Buffalo Bills
Eric Moulds (WR4) -- Peerless Price (WR7) -- Drew Bledsoe (QB9)
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers
Hines Ward (WR2) -- Plaxic Burress (WR9) -- Tommy Maddox (QB22)
2004 Indianapolis Colts
Marvin Harrison (WR5) -- Reggie Wayne (WR8) -- Brandon Stokley (WR12) -- Peyton Manning (QB2)
2004 Green Bay Packers
Javon Walker (WR3) -- Donald Driver (WR10) -- Brett Favre (QB6)
2005 Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald (WR2) -- Anquan Boldin (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB22)
2006 Indianapolis Colts
Marvin Harrison (WR1) -- Reggie Wayne (WR3) -- Peyton Manning (QB1)
2006 Cincinnati Bengals
Chad Johnson (WR4) -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR11) -- Carson Palmer (QB5)
2007 New England Patriots
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Wes Welker (WR11) -- Tom Brady (QB1)
2007 Cincinnati Bengals
Chad Johnson (WR6) -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR7) -- Carson Palmer (QB9)
2008 Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald (WR1) -- Anquan Boldin (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB5)
2009 New England Patriots
Randy Moss (WR2) -- Wes Welker (WR12) -- Tom Brady (QB7)
2011 New York Giants
Victor Cruz (WR4) -- Hakeem Nicks (WR11) -- Eli Manning (QB6)
2012 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR5) -- Eric Decker (WR7) -- Peyton Manning (QB6)
2012 Atlanta Falcons
Julio Jones (WR9) -- Roddy White (WR10) -- Matt Ryan (QB7)
2013 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR2) -- Eric Decker (WR9) -- Peyton Manning (QB1)
2013 Chicago Bears
Brandon Marshall (WR5) -- Alshon Jeffery (WR8) -- Jay Cutler (QB23)
2014 Green Bay Packers
Jordy Nelson (WR2) -- Randall Cobb (WR6) -- Aaron Rodgers (QB1)
2014 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR3) -- Emmanuel Sanders (WR7) -- Peyton Manning (QB4)
2015 New York Jets
Brandon Marshall (WR3) -- Eric Decker (WR10) -- Ryan Fitzpatrick (QB11)
2016 Green Bay Packers
Jordy Nelson (WR2) -- Davante Adams (WR7) -- Aaron Rodgers (QB1)
2016 New Orleans Saints
Brandin Cooks (WR8) -- Michael Thomas (WR9) -- Drew Brees (QB3)
2018 Pittsburgh Steelers
Antonio Brown (WR2) -- JuJu Smith-Schuster (WR9) -- Ben Roethlisberger (QB3)
2018 Minnesota Vikings
Adam Thielen (WR7) -- Stefon Diggs (WR12) -- Kirk Cousins (QB13)
2019 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chris Godwin (WR2) -- Mike Evans (WR8) -- Jameis WInston (QB5)
2020 Minnesota Vikings
Justin Jefferson (WR7) -- Adam Thielen (WR8) -- Kirk Cousins (QB11)
2020 Seattle Seahawks
D.K. Metcalf (WR5) -- Tyler Lockett (WR11) -- Russell Wilson (QB6)
2021 Seattle Seahawks
D.K. Metcalf (WR10) -- Tyler Lockett (WR11) -- Russell Wilson (QB15)
2022 Miami Dolphins
Tyreek Hill (WR3) -- Jaylen Waddle (WR7) -- Tua Tagovailoa (QB15)
2022 Philadelphia Eagles
A.J. Brown (WR4) -- DeVonta Smith (WR10) -- Jalen Hurts (QB3)
2023 San Francisco 49ers
Deebo Samuel (WR7) -- Brandon Aiyuk (WR10) -- Brock Purdy (QB6)
Now look at the QB's on this list. Lots of legends and Pro Bowlers and what have you. But also a good number of non-elite QB's. TLaw's best fantasy finishes have been QB7 (2022) and QB12 (2023). That's right in the range, or even better, than a good handful of QB's here. If TLaw can just be in that range he can absolutely support both BTJ and Hunter as fantasy assets, especially considering the lack of target competition such as Brenton Strange, Dyami Brown, and Parker Washington who are merely ancillary players, and maybe Travis Etienne if he can somehow bounce back to 2023 form.
I'm not saying it's likely. Out of all these listed, there's only three rookies (Randy Moss in 1998, Michael Thomas in 2016, and Justin Jefferson in 2020). But if Hunter's legendary stamina can keep him on the field for enough snaps, I could see him sneaking into top 12 for this season. At minimum I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a major factor in the red zone and get a bunch of receiving TD's. Consider me very, very intrigued.
- Concern about snaps due to playing defense
- Concern about being able to produce WR1 numbers with Brian Thomas Jr. in front of him
- Tied in with the above, but concern about Trevor Lawrence's ability to produce a fantasy WR1, let alone two of them
I can't really argue against the first point, that's always going to be the biggest risk with Hunter. But to the other two points, there's plenty of evidence of NFL teams having two (in one case, even three) fantasy WR1's on the same team in the same season. I struggled to come up with a good cutoff point but since I'm just doing this for fun, I decided to have my first year of playing fantasy football (1998) as my arbitrary cutoff point.
In this exercise, I went to Pro Football Reference and used their fantasy rankings for each season and used their position rank for WR and QB. I used the cutoff at overall WR12, so that's not counting any of the great receivers from WR13+. I'm looking for teams who had at least two top-12 fantasy WR's for that season. I'll also include the top fantasy QB for that team and their final ranking for context. I noticed there were a mix of elite QB's and a mix of guys that either performed well above their norm or simply weren't anything special from a fantasy perspective. It shows that TLaw doesn't have to be a top 5 fantasy QB in order for both BTJ and Hunter to put up fantasy WR1 numbers. Not being the team's WR1 doesn't mean the player can't still be a WR1 for your fantasy team. Here were the results I came up with after about an hour of digging:
1998 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR8) -- Randall Cunningham (QB2)
1998 San Francisco 49ers
Terrell Owens (WR3) -- Jerry Rice (WR10) -- Steve Young (QB1)
1998 Denver Broncos
Rod Smith (WR9) -- Ed McCaffrey (WR11) -- John Elway (QB13)
1999 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR3) -- Jeff George (QB14)
1999 Carolina Panthers
Patrick Jeffers (WR7) -- Muhsin Muhammad (WR10) -- Steve Beuerlein (QB2)
2000 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR11) -- Daunte Culpepper (QB2)
2000 Denver Broncos
Rod Smith (WR4) -- Ed McCaffrey (WR8) -- Brian Griese (QB14)
2000 St. Louis Rams
Isaac Bruce (WR6) -- Torry Holt (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB13)
2001 Oakland Raiders
Tim Brown (WR8) -- Jerry Rice (WR12) -- Rich Gannon (QB3)
2002 Buffalo Bills
Eric Moulds (WR4) -- Peerless Price (WR7) -- Drew Bledsoe (QB9)
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers
Hines Ward (WR2) -- Plaxic Burress (WR9) -- Tommy Maddox (QB22)
2004 Indianapolis Colts
Marvin Harrison (WR5) -- Reggie Wayne (WR8) -- Brandon Stokley (WR12) -- Peyton Manning (QB2)
2004 Green Bay Packers
Javon Walker (WR3) -- Donald Driver (WR10) -- Brett Favre (QB6)
2005 Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald (WR2) -- Anquan Boldin (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB22)
2006 Indianapolis Colts
Marvin Harrison (WR1) -- Reggie Wayne (WR3) -- Peyton Manning (QB1)
2006 Cincinnati Bengals
Chad Johnson (WR4) -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR11) -- Carson Palmer (QB5)
2007 New England Patriots
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Wes Welker (WR11) -- Tom Brady (QB1)
2007 Cincinnati Bengals
Chad Johnson (WR6) -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR7) -- Carson Palmer (QB9)
2008 Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald (WR1) -- Anquan Boldin (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB5)
2009 New England Patriots
Randy Moss (WR2) -- Wes Welker (WR12) -- Tom Brady (QB7)
2011 New York Giants
Victor Cruz (WR4) -- Hakeem Nicks (WR11) -- Eli Manning (QB6)
2012 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR5) -- Eric Decker (WR7) -- Peyton Manning (QB6)
2012 Atlanta Falcons
Julio Jones (WR9) -- Roddy White (WR10) -- Matt Ryan (QB7)
2013 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR2) -- Eric Decker (WR9) -- Peyton Manning (QB1)
2013 Chicago Bears
Brandon Marshall (WR5) -- Alshon Jeffery (WR8) -- Jay Cutler (QB23)
2014 Green Bay Packers
Jordy Nelson (WR2) -- Randall Cobb (WR6) -- Aaron Rodgers (QB1)
2014 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR3) -- Emmanuel Sanders (WR7) -- Peyton Manning (QB4)
2015 New York Jets
Brandon Marshall (WR3) -- Eric Decker (WR10) -- Ryan Fitzpatrick (QB11)
2016 Green Bay Packers
Jordy Nelson (WR2) -- Davante Adams (WR7) -- Aaron Rodgers (QB1)
2016 New Orleans Saints
Brandin Cooks (WR8) -- Michael Thomas (WR9) -- Drew Brees (QB3)
2018 Pittsburgh Steelers
Antonio Brown (WR2) -- JuJu Smith-Schuster (WR9) -- Ben Roethlisberger (QB3)
2018 Minnesota Vikings
Adam Thielen (WR7) -- Stefon Diggs (WR12) -- Kirk Cousins (QB13)
2019 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chris Godwin (WR2) -- Mike Evans (WR8) -- Jameis WInston (QB5)
2020 Minnesota Vikings
Justin Jefferson (WR7) -- Adam Thielen (WR8) -- Kirk Cousins (QB11)
2020 Seattle Seahawks
D.K. Metcalf (WR5) -- Tyler Lockett (WR11) -- Russell Wilson (QB6)
2021 Seattle Seahawks
D.K. Metcalf (WR10) -- Tyler Lockett (WR11) -- Russell Wilson (QB15)
2022 Miami Dolphins
Tyreek Hill (WR3) -- Jaylen Waddle (WR7) -- Tua Tagovailoa (QB15)
2022 Philadelphia Eagles
A.J. Brown (WR4) -- DeVonta Smith (WR10) -- Jalen Hurts (QB3)
2023 San Francisco 49ers
Deebo Samuel (WR7) -- Brandon Aiyuk (WR10) -- Brock Purdy (QB6)
Now look at the QB's on this list. Lots of legends and Pro Bowlers and what have you. But also a good number of non-elite QB's. TLaw's best fantasy finishes have been QB7 (2022) and QB12 (2023). That's right in the range, or even better, than a good handful of QB's here. If TLaw can just be in that range he can absolutely support both BTJ and Hunter as fantasy assets, especially considering the lack of target competition such as Brenton Strange, Dyami Brown, and Parker Washington who are merely ancillary players, and maybe Travis Etienne if he can somehow bounce back to 2023 form.
I'm not saying it's likely. Out of all these listed, there's only three rookies (Randy Moss in 1998, Michael Thomas in 2016, and Justin Jefferson in 2020). But if Hunter's legendary stamina can keep him on the field for enough snaps, I could see him sneaking into top 12 for this season. At minimum I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a major factor in the red zone and get a bunch of receiving TD's. Consider me very, very intrigued.
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