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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (12 Viewers)

saintfool said:
Better supporting cast too. Easier to ask Watson to lead the team when he doesn't have to do as much.
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The Texans have better WR but I think the Bears may have a better offensive line and TE than the Texans do. Both teams have pretty good RB. 

Watson is having to do a lot. His ability to run the ball is opening up other parts of their offense that wouldn't if they just stuck with Savage.

 
waterworld said:
Him going as third qb, teams not trading up, etc...
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Why wouldn't I put much weight into what every team in the league and the scouts were doing? What should I put weight in? Again, I'm not trashing Watson. But the guy had everything go right in his final year.  Beat the favorite team for the National Championship. Illustrious college career. Still take as 3rd qb and not valued as a top 10 pick. 

 
flapgreen said:
Any coaching staff with a brain would do the same. Trouble is the Bears coaches are idiots. Needlessly dragged this out and created drama for no reason, other than to avoid looking like they made a mistake with Glennon. 
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I think O'Brien is a pretty bad coach, but yeah he at least let his best QB play.

 
Biabreakable said:
The Texans have better WR but I think the Bears may have a better offensive line and TE than the Texans do. Both teams have pretty good RB. 

Watson is having to do a lot. His ability to run the ball is opening up other parts of their offense that wouldn't if they just stuck with Savage.
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Texans are so far ahead of the Bears in offensive talent and coaching that it isn't funny. Not even close. 

 
humpback said:
:confused:
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2 completely different situations. Kizer was the #1 qb by most coming into his senior year. Rough senior year. Team was terrible. Coach threw him under the bus. BS about how he had attitude problems etc.  Everything went right for Watson. National Championship. Coach that praised him endlessly. Illustrious career. 

 
I also didn't think Trubisky had enough experience to take at 2 either. Things change, though. He's  looked completely at ease on the field. Works through his progressions. Extremely accurate. Also mobile. He progressed quicker than anyone imagined. The coaches are just too dense to know how to adjust their plan. 

 
flapgreen said:
2 completely different situations. Kizer was the #1 qb by most coming into his senior year. Rough senior year. Team was terrible. Coach threw him under the bus. BS about how he had attitude problems etc.  Everything went right for Watson. National Championship. Coach that praised him endlessly. Illustrious career. 
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Seems to me that you only "put much weight into what every team in the league and scouts were doing" when they agree with you (and the time they "agreed" with you it was 10 spots, when they disagreed it was by ~50).

 
humpback said:
Seems to me that you only "put much weight into what every team in the league and scouts were doing" when they agree with you (and the time they "agreed" with you it was 10 spots, when they disagreed it was by ~50).
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Nope. I didn't agree with the Trubisky pick at the time. It's pretty well known he was going to be the first qb taken if the Bears hadn't taken him.  Still don't agree with Kizer falling. 

 
flapgreen said:
Nope. I didn't agree with the Trubisky pick at the time. It's pretty well known he was going to be the first qb taken if the Bears hadn't taken him.  Still don't agree with Kizer falling. 
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Well, you agree with the Trubisky pick now, but we're not really even talking about him.

You said Watson was the 3rd QB taken for a reason (12th overall), counting that as a knock against him, but aren't applying the same reasoning to Kizer going as the 4th QB drafted at 52nd overall.

 
humpback said:
Well, you agree with the Trubisky pick now, but we're not really even talking about him.

You said Watson was the 3rd QB taken for a reason (12th overall), counting that as a knock against him, but aren't applying the same reasoning to Kizer going as the 4th QB drafted at 52nd overall.
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I've already said. Kizer dropped because of a bad senior season and a coach who hammered him. Scouts knocked him more than I did for it. I get it, though.  Watson had an amazing career and still dropped to 3rd qb taken. The situations on why they fell are completely different. Kizer didn't fall because he didn't have the talent to be great. 

 
It looks like it may end of benefitting Watson in dropping. One of the best group of WRs in the league. One of the top defenses. When the LT comes back, they'll have a very good OL. Great situation. And Obrien known as a good coach with qbs. 

 
flapgreen said:
What's funny? 
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Your anointing Trubisky as a Hall of Famer before he takes a real snap in the NFL.  Ryan Leaf probably said the same thing about Peyton Manning. 

I'm not putting too much stock in anything that the rookie class has done after 4 weeks. I just find it funny the way you call your shots. You're like Babe Ruth without a bat. 

 
KCitons said:
Your anointing Trubisky as a Hall of Famer before he takes a real snap in the NFL.  Ryan Leaf probably said the same thing about Peyton Manning. 

I'm not putting too much stock in anything that the rookie class has done after 4 weeks. I just find it funny the way you call your shots. You're like Babe Ruth without a bat. 
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Point to where I said he was a hall of Famer. I said I think he'll be better than Watson and how it was a silly concept to wait a year on a qb this year. I didn't think I needed to put IMO after everything. 

 
flapgreen said:
Point to where I said he was a hall of Famer. I said I think he'll be better than Watson and how it was a silly concept to wait a year on a qb this year. I didn't think I needed to put IMO after everything. 
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In all fairness, you do quote things from other sources, but rarely give credit to the sources. So, you may want to put IMO after everything that is your original thought. 

I don't think there is anyone on these boards that is not clear how you feel about the current state of the team and the love you have for Trubisky. But, your comments just take an over the top approach to try to prove your point. Yet again. 

IMO.

 
Year 1 of a rebuild and the 49ers, Jets, and Bills all look better and more competitive than the Bears in year 3.  No one "trusts the process" Pace.  Being humiliated in the coach and GM's third year is inexcusable. Fox is definitely gone. Pace should be gone if this continues through next year. He should already be on the hot seat. Bears fans are so conditioned to think it's ok that they're accepting it. 

 
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Just heard on the radio that they are officially starting Trubisky.  So glad they decided right away instead of dragging this out.

 
Here you go @flapgreen

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Bears will start Mitchell Trubisky Week 5 against the Vikings.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Oct 2 - 10:33 AM

 
come on Flap, can we get a title change here???

I was all for sitting him a while as I do think there is growth that can happen on the bench, but the Bears had to put out a respectable offense while he sat, and they have failed to do that. So I guess it's time.

excited, but tempering expectations, because the rest of this team sucks.

 
waterworld said:
Just saw that. Exciting stuff. 
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Yeah, we can watch Trubisky get his brains beat in by a really good defense. I wish they would have at least waited until they play the Ravens. The Ravens have a bad defense. So you put the underprepared rookie in with nothing at WR, and nothing at TE. Excellent plan. 

 
twistd said:
Yeah, we can watch Trubisky get his brains beat in by a really good defense. I wish they would have at least waited until they play the Ravens. The Ravens have a bad defense. So you put the underprepared rookie in with nothing at WR, and nothing at TE. Excellent plan. 
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On MNF as well.  

 
The Tick said:
come on Flap, can we get a title change here???

I was all for sitting him a while as I do think there is growth that can happen on the bench, but the Bears had to put out a respectable offense while he sat, and they have failed to do that. So I guess it's time.

excited, but tempering expectations, because the rest of this team sucks.
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Sorry for the delay. At work 

 
twistd said:
Yeah, we can watch Trubisky get his brains beat in by a really good defense. I wish they would have at least waited until they play the Ravens. The Ravens have a bad defense. So you put the underprepared rookie in with nothing at WR, and nothing at TE. Excellent plan. 
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There are no scary Ds in the league.  No need to wait any longer. 

 
The Tick said:
come on Flap, can we get a title change here???

I was all for sitting him a while as I do think there is growth that can happen on the bench, but the Bears had to put out a respectable offense while he sat, and they have failed to do that. So I guess it's time.

excited, but tempering expectations, because the rest of this team sucks.
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I might temper expectations due to his incredible lack of playing experience.

 
flapgreen said:
The receivers will be better with Mitch. 
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This is arguably the worst group of receivers in the league. Unless he has a magic wand to turn the suckage around they will stink just as bad with Mitch as they did with Glennon. Most of these guys shouldn't even be on NFL rosters, leave alone be starting.

 
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twistd said:
This is arguably the worst group of receivers in the league. Unless he has a magic wand to turn the suckage around they will stink just as bad with Mitch as they did with Glennon. 
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But they can run the ball, so at least they have that threat, which should help the crappy receivers somewhat.  Having someone who can deliver the ball more accurately and on-time should help too.  This is assuming Trubisky will do that better than Glennon which is a pretty safe bet based on his play this year.

 
waterworld said:
Yeah maybe Wright and Wheaton but I've seen enough over the years of the other two and they're worthless. 

I'd like to see more from Sims and Shaheen. 
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I'm not saying it's a remotely good group. I've trashed Pace plenty for it.  I do think they'll be better with a competent qb. I've seen a lot of examples of them being open and Glennon just not seeing them. 

 
We took a TE in the second round. That is NOT a project round. Shaheen needs to play or this is going to look real bad for Pace. 

 
twistd said:
Yeah, we can watch Trubisky get his brains beat in by a really good defense. I wish they would have at least waited until they play the Ravens. The Ravens have a bad defense. So you put the underprepared rookie in with nothing at WR, and nothing at TE. Excellent plan. 
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:confused:

14th best in Points allowed per game (20.0)
17th best in Passing yards allowed per game

Hardly "bad"... more like average. 

Minnesota on the other hand:
8th best in Points allowed per game  (19.0... a whole 1 less point)
24th in Passing yards allowed per game

 
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