***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (6 Viewers)

[Max Power]

I work with a guy who's decently tied into the Dolphins Organization. He let me know the word over there is that the Dolphins are letting Christian Wilkins walk and that the Bears are who they think they're losing him to.

I'd be happy with that add, but they still need an edge Rusher.

He'd be the perfect 3T anchor for this defense. Can we afford to spend high end money on another DT when we need more help at DE, though?

If they reset the QB clock I think the Bears can afford a luxury upgrade or two if they keep the years down. #4 in cap space and Jaylon Johnson is the only other massive contract coming.

DE is a tricky spot too, I don't think Burns or Allen hit the open market. I think Danielle Hunter will and he's going to get paid well. The talent level kind of drops off after that to situational pass rusher level.

All that said, I'd prefer Hunter to Wilkins, but I'd like Wilkins more than a Bryce Huff or a Chase Young tier guy.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

....or we just go balls to the wall and make a huge offer to Chris Jones.

 

[Statorama]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Sure, but you answered his question by not answering his question and also giving a horrible comparison.

I think the question may be flawed in the way it's framed. 40 games is just a line in the sand.

The same way we can say 25 years old is a line in the sand.

GB waited 3 years to make Aaron Rodgers the starting QB. He learned the same same system as a backup before being named the starter going into his 4th year in that same system and he produced a losing record that year.

Bears waited 3 games before making Fields the starter and made him learn on the field while taking Ls. Then they changed his system year 2.

Bottom line is the Bears chose the trial by fire method and then roast the guy when he isn't elite. The flip side to that coin is that he accomplished more in the NFL before the age of 25 than Rodgers did.

That's an outstanding parallel to draw. I remember Favre getting cranky that they drafted Rodgers, and the fan base scratching their heads about picking a QB in round 1 when you had "the man" already instead of drafting him more weapons. That's why the Packers are the Packers and the Bears are the Bears.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

 

[Statorama]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

Warren Moon? 12 W - 33 L / 40 TDs 59 INTs - went on to have a pretty good career

 

[Sunday Gravy]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

Warren Moon? 12 W - 33 L / 40 TDs 59 INTs - went on to have a pretty good career

That's pretty good. Looks like he didn't really have a good season until his 6th. League was so much more patient back then.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

Warren Moon? 12 W - 33 L / 40 TDs 59 INTs - went on to have a pretty good career

That's pretty good. Looks like he didn't really have a good season until his 6th. League was so much more patient back then.

Steve Young

 

[3nOut]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

 

[flapgreen]

Works for me. There's our center and still just 27

 

[Max Power]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

 

[3nOut]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

Do you think the Bears could have drafted a starting quality center in the 5th round? To me this means they won’t have to spend a high pick on OL and will be targeting other positions in the early rounds. If they would have done this trade and the Sweat trade on draft day, most people would be excited.

 

[Max Power]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

Do you think the Bears could have drafted a starting quality center in the 5th round? To me this means they won’t have to spend a high pick on OL and will be targeting other positions in the early rounds. If they would have done this trade and the Sweat trade on draft day, most people would be excited.

I guess I'm not sold he is starting quality center. He's been in the league 6 years and only started 19 games with pretty much all of them being at RG. He does have center experience so that a huge plus. He only played 35 snaps on offense all of last year, so that worries me a bit. He went from starter to backup on his own team. His PFF score from 2022 rated him as basically a fringe starter.

I feel like this was more of a band aid trade. We now have a capable center and solid backup guard. He's a huge Cody Whitehair upgrade, but I'm not sold he's an upgrade to Patrick. I just hope this wasn't plan A.

5th round pick is probably a little high for a player like this IMO. Poles has shown that moving draft capital for players doesn't bother him at all.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This deal screams depth piece to me. Bates has experience at C and G and we absolutely need IOL depth with both Tevin and Davis having their own injury issues. I'll be disappointed if we don't sign a high profile FA or draft one of the big 3 OCs.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

I don't think this stops us from signing a legit veteran center. There are a bunch available next week.

 

[flapgreen]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

 

[Chreesto]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

 

[Max Power]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I'm happy for a depth piece that can start at multiple positions, but this guy isn't better than what's available in free agency. That's the part that makes this not a great deal.

Bears have made some decent 5th+ round picks over the last several seasons. Braxton Jones, Khalil Herbert, Darnell Mooney, Larry Borom, Noah Sewell and Terrell Smith. So its not a worthless selection.

And just for the scorecard we've turned the 2024 5th, 6th and 7th round picks into Ryan Bates, Dan Feeney and K'Neal Harry. So it's not like Poles is crushing it here.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I'm happy for a depth piece that can start at multiple positions, but this guy isn't better than what's available in free agency. That's the part that makes this not a great deal.

Bears have made some decent 5th+ round picks over the last several seasons. Braxton Jones, Khalil Herbert, Darnell Mooney, Larry Borom, Noah Sewell and Terrell Smith. So its not a worthless selection.

And just for the scorecard we've turned the 2024 5th, 6th and 7th round picks into Ryan Bates, Dan Feeney and K'Neal Harry. So it's not like Poles is crushing it here.

I hear what you are saying, but the historic hit rate on 5th round picks ranges from 32% for TEs to 0% for QBs with most other positions in the 15% range. For a depth piece, I'd rather trade the 5th for a known commodity.

 

[Chreesto]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

That’s how I felt for years after the shea mclellin pick. I was so happy every time we traded away our first round pick. In general, though, assuming that both models are tainted by Bears stupidity, I still prefer drafting to trading.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

That’s how I felt for years after the shea mclellin pick. I was so happy every time we traded away our first round pick. In general, though, assuming that both models are tainted by Bears stupidity, I still prefer drafting to trading.

Holy crap I forgot about that nerd.

 

[flapgreen]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

Same

 

[flapgreen]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I'm happy for a depth piece that can start at multiple positions, but this guy isn't better than what's available in free agency. That's the part that makes this not a great deal.

Bears have made some decent 5th+ round picks over the last several seasons. Braxton Jones, Khalil Herbert, Darnell Mooney, Larry Borom, Noah Sewell and Terrell Smith. So its not a worthless selection.

And just for the scorecard we've turned the 2024 5th, 6th and 7th round picks into Ryan Bates, Dan Feeney and K'Neal Harry. So it's not like Poles is crushing it here.

Understood

 

[elguapo07]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

Dan Fouts

 

[flapgreen]

The point is it rarely happens, and almost never happens with a QB in a situation similar to this one. If the Bears weren't in a position to grab a top QB at minimal cost, then it would be different. Time to move on. Wish the best for Fields.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

Dan Fouts

Point being, it doesn't happen in the modern NFL.

The Fields crowd should now see the rest of the league sees what he is. We're going to struggle to get a 2nd for him and some of you think we should pass on the number one pick TWO straight seasons for him.

According to Adam Hoge who is as tied in as anyone, keeping Fields was never an option. It's Williams barring some unforeseen issue and if that happened we'd most likely try to swap with Wash and take Maye or Daniels.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Jaylon franchised.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

That’s how I felt for years after the shea mclellin pick. I was so happy every time we traded away our first round pick. In general, though, assuming that both models are tainted by Bears stupidity, I still prefer drafting to trading.

That was one my most memorable picks. I didn’t even know who that guy was! Ugh!!!

 

[Chreesto]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

That’s how I felt for years after the shea mclellin pick. I was so happy every time we traded away our first round pick. In general, though, assuming that both models are tainted by Bears stupidity, I still prefer drafting to trading.

That was one my most memorable picks. I didn’t even know who that guy was! Ugh!!!

Revisiting Bears trauma is a good way to put me in a terrible mood. In spite of that, I took myself back to my mindset at that time and can clearly recall that I felt 100% certain that Chandler Jones would be the pick. I mean, The Bears were running a 4-3 and needed someone on the other side of Peppers. Jones was perfect for that. It is very hard for me to even comprehend that someone (emery) got paid money to make that decision.

 

[Max Power]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

That’s how I felt for years after the shea mclellin pick. I was so happy every time we traded away our first round pick. In general, though, assuming that both models are tainted by Bears stupidity, I still prefer drafting to trading.

That was one my most memorable picks. I didn’t even know who that guy was! Ugh!!!

Revisiting Bears trauma is a good way to put me in a terrible mood. In spite of that, I took myself back to my mindset at that time and can clearly recall that I felt 100% certain that Chandler Jones would be the pick. I mean, The Bears were running a 4-3 and needed someone on the other side of Peppers. Jones was perfect for that. It is very hard for me to even comprehend that someone (emery) got paid money to make that decision.

I find it comical that several Bears podcasts have brought on Josh Lucas, The Former Bears Director of Player Personnel, (who was a main driver in the trade up to select Mitch Trubisky) to discuss who the Bears should draft at 1. That man should be shunned from any QB conversation.

 

[elguapo07]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

Dan Fouts

Point being, it doesn't happen in the modern NFL.

The Fields crowd should now see the rest of the league sees what he is. We're going to struggle to get a 2nd for him and some of you think we should pass on the number one pick TWO straight seasons for him.

According to Adam Hoge who is as tied in as anyone, keeping Fields was never an option. It's Williams barring some unforeseen issue and if that happened we'd most likely try to swap with Wash and take Maye or Daniels.

If I’m a QB needy team not drafting in the top 3 then I’d spend a 3rd rounder in Fields, assuming the market for Fields is lukewarm.

 

[Chreesto]

The #Bills have agreed to trade OL Ryan Bates to the #Bears for a 5th round pick in the 2024 draft.

I don't love it. 5th rd pick for an average player.

Bears now have zero picks in rounds 5, 6 and 7.

This is such a low level thing to not like. Doesn't matter much either way. It's a 5th round pick for a guy with experience who can at least be a good depth piece, if not a short term starter. And now we're not happy about not having any late round picks? Come on

I see your point, and mostly agree. I am a bit concerned though, because of mindset this reveals. When it comes to team building, I’d love the bears to get out of the veteran quick-fix mentality and, instead, hoard draft picks. They should try to have extra picks every year and only occasionally add veterans through free agency, not trades. I just don’t trust the bears to trade with other NFL teams who actually know what they’re doing.

I usually don't trust them to have too many draft picks.

That’s how I felt for years after the shea mclellin pick. I was so happy every time we traded away our first round pick. In general, though, assuming that both models are tainted by Bears stupidity, I still prefer drafting to trading.

That was one my most memorable picks. I didn’t even know who that guy was! Ugh!!!

Revisiting Bears trauma is a good way to put me in a terrible mood. In spite of that, I took myself back to my mindset at that time and can clearly recall that I felt 100% certain that Chandler Jones would be the pick. I mean, The Bears were running a 4-3 and needed someone on the other side of Peppers. Jones was perfect for that. It is very hard for me to even comprehend that someone (emery) got paid money to make that decision.

I find it comical that several Bears podcasts have brought on Josh Lucas, The Former Bears Director of Player Personnel, (who was a main driver in the trade up to select Mitch Trubisky) to discuss who the Bears should draft at 1. That man should be shunned from any QB conversation.

I have heard him. Was he on Hoge and Jahns?
Some of these Bears moves were so comically bad....................I have gotten in the habit of going back through my text messages to confirm that I hated the moves at the time they were made. I can confirm that this isn't just 20/20 hindsight. I can understand the Kevin white pick, crazy as it seems now, because they fell for athletic numbers from the combine. That happens. I can't understand why they thought Trubisky was worth a trade UP. Why not just take the best QB available at that pick? It must mean that they had a deep conviction that Trubisky was great - I never saw it. I know that every fanbase has reasons to complain about their management, but I see 1000% more common (football) sense on these message boards than I do in the Bears roster moves (historically). Can one of you guys please go become director of player personnel for the Bears?

 

[Max Power]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

Dan Fouts

Point being, it doesn't happen in the modern NFL.

The Fields crowd should now see the rest of the league sees what he is. We're going to struggle to get a 2nd for him and some of you think we should pass on the number one pick TWO straight seasons for him.

According to Adam Hoge who is as tied in as anyone, keeping Fields was never an option. It's Williams barring some unforeseen issue and if that happened we'd most likely try to swap with Wash and take Maye or Daniels.

If I’m a QB needy team not drafting in the top 3 then I’d spend a 3rd rounder in Fields, assuming the market for Fields is lukewarm.

I'd almost rather keep him as a backup at that point

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

Dan Fouts

Point being, it doesn't happen in the modern NFL.

The Fields crowd should now see the rest of the league sees what he is. We're going to struggle to get a 2nd for him and some of you think we should pass on the number one pick TWO straight seasons for him.

According to Adam Hoge who is as tied in as anyone, keeping Fields was never an option. It's Williams barring some unforeseen issue and if that happened we'd most likely try to swap with Wash and take Maye or Daniels.

If I’m a QB needy team not drafting in the top 3 then I’d spend a 3rd rounder in Fields, assuming the market for Fields is lukewarm.

I'd almost rather keep him as a backup at that point

Correct. If that's the case, keep him as a backup, do not exercise his option and get a compensatory pick in 2025 when he moves on as a UFA at the end of this season. You're likely to get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick.

 

[Grahamburn]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

Dan Fouts

Point being, it doesn't happen in the modern NFL.

The Fields crowd should now see the rest of the league sees what he is. We're going to struggle to get a 2nd for him and some of you think we should pass on the number one pick TWO straight seasons for him.

According to Adam Hoge who is as tied in as anyone, keeping Fields was never an option. It's Williams barring some unforeseen issue and if that happened we'd most likely try to swap with Wash and take Maye or Daniels.

If I’m a QB needy team not drafting in the top 3 then I’d spend a 3rd rounder in Fields, assuming the market for Fields is lukewarm.

I'd almost rather keep him as a backup at that point

The who is starting debate of Caleb or Justin would be a weekly nightmare.

 

[Max Power]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

 

[FairWarning]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

Terry Bradshaw

 

[DocHolliday]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

Terry Bradshaw

Bradshaw was in the right place at the time. Those Steeler teams were some of the greatest teams ever. Their rosters in the 70s look like all Madden teams.

 

[Grahamburn]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

 

[flapgreen]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

In a world full of adults, this wouid be fine. Unfortunately, that's not this world. Favre and Rodgers both worked through it and succeeded in the long run.

 

[flapgreen]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

There's no such thing as doing a guy wrong that you're paying millions of dollars to. Sadly, the younger generation are weak minded and couid never handle this.

 

[beef]

I wonder if Flus told Lafleur what the plan is at QB during the Marquette game?

 

[Max Power]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

I think there is a case to be made that if the Bears both Draft Williams AND trade JF, the Bears should bring in a Vet to start the season. I actually think starting a rookie QB week 1 is a bad idea 95% of the time.

Starting Fields and letting Williams sit half a season is probably the smartest move on the table from a football standpoint.

 

[FairWarning]

So there were times during Jalen Hurts second developmental year, and Jordan Love's first developmental year that a good portion of people that weighed in thought neither would ever be franchise quarterbacks and the Eagles and Packers should start thinking about finding a future starting QB, then that all changed with more experience and a trade for AJ Brown in the case of Hurts. I just think they would be better trading #1 moving down to 2 or 3 and piling up draft picks (including a1st rounder for next year), draft Marvin Harrison Jr and roll with Justin Fields. Unless their scouts are convinced Caleb Williams is a future HOF NFL QB.f
What if the Bears had traded Fields last year and kept the #1 pick and drafted Bryce Young, they would be the worst team in the NFL.

Can you think of another qb who looked mediocre for their first 40 games and then became elite?

He's thrown 39 more TDs than Aaron Rodgers did before the age of 25.

Lol, wut?

Adding perspective for people who think a 24 year old has maxed out his NFL potential.

Can you name another qb that has looked so mediocre his first 40 GAMES PLAYED then turned elite? This is not comparable to the Rodgers situation.

Terry Bradshaw

Bradshaw was in the right place at the time. Those Steeler teams were some of the greatest teams ever. Their rosters in the 70s look like all Madden teams.

I understand that. He was Zach Wilson the first two years, ended up leading the league in TD passes later in his career.

 

[flapgreen]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

I think there is a case to be made that if the Bears both Draft Williams AND trade JF, the Bears should bring in a Vet to start the season. I actually think starting a rookie QB week 1 is a bad idea 95% of the time.

Starting Fields and letting Williams sit half a season is probably the smartest move on the table from a football standpoint.

Logically, you would think so, but this isn't happening. That's the one thing I worry about, even if they draft Caleb. No legit backup to start the season and Eberflus has never done anything in his career to show that he is capable of succeeding at the highest level. Hoping Waldron can cover that up. In my opinion, Eberflus is still a lame duck at this point and it was a mistake bringing him back.

 

[Grahamburn]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

I think there is a case to be made that if the Bears both Draft Williams AND trade JF, the Bears should bring in a Vet to start the season. I actually think starting a rookie QB week 1 is a bad idea 95% of the time.

Starting Fields and letting Williams sit half a season is probably the smartest move on the table from a football standpoint.

When was the last time a #1 overall pick didn't start right away? If they aren't ready I wouldn't select that person.

 

[Max Power]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

I think there is a case to be made that if the Bears both Draft Williams AND trade JF, the Bears should bring in a Vet to start the season. I actually think starting a rookie QB week 1 is a bad idea 95% of the time.

Starting Fields and letting Williams sit half a season is probably the smartest move on the table from a football standpoint.

When was the last time a #1 overall pick didn't start right away? If they aren't ready I wouldn't select that person.

That's extremely short sighted. The most pro-ready prospect isn't necessarily the best prospect available. Plenty of #1 overall QB picks don't start the season for their teams. It might be a trend lately, but it's a horrible trend. Caleb Williams still has things to work on and I'm not a fan of forcing a young QB to learn on the fly during live games.

If you look at a list of the most successful QBs in the NFL very few started the first game of their rookie season.

 

[Max Power]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

I think there is a case to be made that if the Bears both Draft Williams AND trade JF, the Bears should bring in a Vet to start the season. I actually think starting a rookie QB week 1 is a bad idea 95% of the time.

Starting Fields and letting Williams sit half a season is probably the smartest move on the table from a football standpoint.

Logically, you would think so, but this isn't happening. That's the one thing I worry about, even if they draft Caleb. No legit backup to start the season and Eberflus has never done anything in his career to show that he is capable of succeeding at the highest level. Hoping Waldron can cover that up. In my opinion, Eberflus is still a lame duck at this point and it was a mistake bringing him back.

I don't think the Bears can start the season with a QB room of Willams, Bagent and some guy like Peterman

 

[flapgreen]

Keeping him as a backup would just be doing the guy wrong. Let him continue his career.

Not to mention the controversy it would cause. Not happening.

I'd let him compete for the starting job. If he wins it, he wins it. If Williams beats him out in camp, he's a backup.

You're right that its probably not happening because these QBs have such fragile egos.

But you can't saying its doing the guy wrong if there is no market for him to be a starting QB.

It would be so Bears to try something like this. They’ve really broken you guys, huh?

I think there is a case to be made that if the Bears both Draft Williams AND trade JF, the Bears should bring in a Vet to start the season. I actually think starting a rookie QB week 1 is a bad idea 95% of the time.

Starting Fields and letting Williams sit half a season is probably the smartest move on the table from a football standpoint.

Logically, you would think so, but this isn't happening. That's the one thing I worry about, even if they draft Caleb. No legit backup to start the season and Eberflus has never done anything in his career to show that he is capable of succeeding at the highest level. Hoping Waldron can cover that up. In my opinion, Eberflus is still a lame duck at this point and it was a mistake bringing him back.

I don't think the Bears can start the season with a QB room of Willams, Bagent and some guy like Peterman

I hope not. Maybe bring in a guy like Tannehill for a season. Would love Cousins to start for a year and then transition to Caleb, but the cost would be too high for that.