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He doesn't have an upright running style and he's not brittle.The problem is that he's 6 foot 3, so it just looks like he's running upright, and his playing weight has been lower for the past few years.
Heck, I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd rounder. He was drafted behind Rbs like BJ Askew and Musa Smith, and just ahead of Artose Pinner and Justin Fargas. In my mind he's very similar to another guy who went within a few picks of him - Domanick Davis. Brown is a productive back, he's just been banged up some. He's clearly starter-quality material if he can stay healthy - and even if he can't, and needs fewer carries, he has home-run capability. That makes him worth a 3rd rounder.
There will be no market for him if they want a 3rd round pick in return. The guy wants a payday after this year, I don't think a lot of teams are going to line up to fork over a 3rd round pick and a bunch of money to keep Chris Brown.Heck, I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd rounder. He was drafted behind Rbs like BJ Askew and Musa Smith, and just ahead of Artose Pinner and Justin Fargas. In my mind he's very similar to another guy who went within a few picks of him - Domanick Davis. Brown is a productive back, he's just been banged up some. He's clearly starter-quality material if he can stay healthy - and even if he can't, and needs fewer carries, he has home-run capability. That makes him worth a 3rd rounder.
that's what i'm thinking. i'm not doubting that the guy has some ability and is a pretty good RB. But I'm looking at Jonathan Wells for free before i'm giving up a 3rd rounder for Chris Brown.There will be no market for him if they want a 3rd round pick in return. The guy wants a payday after this year, I don't think a lot of teams are going to line up to fork over a 3rd round pick and a bunch of money to keep Chris Brown.Heck, I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd rounder. He was drafted behind Rbs like BJ Askew and Musa Smith, and just ahead of Artose Pinner and Justin Fargas. In my mind he's very similar to another guy who went within a few picks of him - Domanick Davis. Brown is a productive back, he's just been banged up some. He's clearly starter-quality material if he can stay healthy - and even if he can't, and needs fewer carries, he has home-run capability. That makes him worth a 3rd rounder.
I don't think you can compare Jonathan Wells to Chris Brown (3.1 ypc for career vs. 4.3 ypc). But your point is well-taken that a team might not want to give up a boatload of money and a 3rd round pick. Two possibilities.that's what i'm thinking. i'm not doubting that the guy has some ability and is a pretty good RB. But I'm looking at Jonathan Wells for free before i'm giving up a 3rd rounder for Chris Brown.There will be no market for him if they want a 3rd round pick in return. The guy wants a payday after this year, I don't think a lot of teams are going to line up to fork over a 3rd round pick and a bunch of money to keep Chris Brown.Heck, I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd rounder. He was drafted behind Rbs like BJ Askew and Musa Smith, and just ahead of Artose Pinner and Justin Fargas. In my mind he's very similar to another guy who went within a few picks of him - Domanick Davis. Brown is a productive back, he's just been banged up some. He's clearly starter-quality material if he can stay healthy - and even if he can't, and needs fewer carries, he has home-run capability. That makes him worth a 3rd rounder.
I believe the NYJ stockpiled some picks for next year...
Not as early as me.The First Thread to Pimp WhiteSound the trumpets to that Lendale White band wagon again.
Glad I jumped aboard early.
Isn't Lendale White's situation eerily similar to JJ Arrington's last year?Both had college success, both were drafted in round 2 to replace a vet as quickly as possible, both teams have struggles with running the football, and both teams suck? DiscussRun, fatman, run! Lendale White...Offensive ROYSound the trumpets to that Lendale White band wagon again.
Glad I jumped aboard early.
I would put Arrington and White's college success in completely different catergories, as I would their talent level; body type and God given ability. There are substantially different reasons White and Arrington were taken in the 2nd round.Isn't Lendale White's situation eerily similar to JJ Arrington's last year?Both had college success, both were drafted in round 2 to replace a vet as quickly as possible, both teams have struggles with running the football, and both teams suck? DiscussRun, fatman, run! Lendale White...Offensive ROYSound the trumpets to that Lendale White band wagon again.
Glad I jumped aboard early.
I'm rather certian I was "pimping" him earlier than May. I know I was before the draft, but kudos to you anyway.Not as early as me.The First Thread to Pimp WhiteSound the trumpets to that Lendale White band wagon again.
Glad I jumped aboard early.
Good ones. Boy, did Arrington disappoint.I'm wondering how Brown's agitation for a trade will impact White's signing negotiations. This trade request is timed perfectly for White's camp...It'll be interesting to see.I believe he'll be in camp on time. Especially considering he was picked 43rd....Of course, being that he knows the offense already, maybe he misses a week?
I'm wondering how Brown's agitation for a trade will impact White's signing negotiations. This trade request is timed perfectly for White's camp...It'll be interesting to see.
Give them
A back like Henry? He's a solid back who got dicked out of his job by a RB in McGahee who has yet to perform as well as Henry did.White is also not out of shape, nor does he have hammy issues. That was two months ago.
Aside from that mangled garb of a response that is loaded with inaccurate statements, yes, I would gladly take Henry over McGahee, as he was and still is the better back.
McGahee+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 buf | 16 | 284 1128 4.0 13 | 22 169 7.7 0 || 2005 buf | 16 | 325 1247 3.8 5 | 28 178 6.4 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 32 | 609 2375 3.9 18 | 50 347 6.9 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Henry+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 buf | 16 | 325 1438 4.4 13 | 43 309 7.2 1 || 2003 buf | 15 | 331 1356 4.1 10 | 28 158 5.6 1 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 31 | 656 2794 4.2 23 | 71 467 6.6 2 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
The stats ARE rather convincing...Why would you now choose sarcasm as your response?
Honestly, I thought he just quoted me and posted it. I didn't even notice that mangled jarb lodged in the middle of my quote.Upon reading it, he didn't provide any new insight, but just baseless opinions. It's not fun debating someone who just goes "are you dumb? he sucks. Just look at him, he's not starting now is he? Did you know they drafted willis McGahee and he starts now?? You must be related to him."
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Three things:1) Don't type an incoherent block of text and expect more than one intelligible response.What is not worth debating is the fact that you blame Willis for Henry's situation. I'm sorry I have a opinion diffrent than yours. 1. You totally disregard Henry's history when it comes to his getting suspended. 2. It seems it's everyone else's fault for Henry not starting. I have to think if he can't beat Brown for the starting job there are some issues....NOT STARTING he's 3rd on the depth chart at the moment. 3 You can post stat's from 2 yrs ago all you like the fact is Henry was traded from 1 team who did not want him as a starter to another team that did not want him as a starter. I guess that does not say ANYTHING!!! is that just bad luck or more. I'm not trying to convince you at all. I really just posting a opinion and you claimed Henry was DICKED by Willis I'm just addressing how stupid that logic is. How's that garbled mess!!!!...FEEL free not to respond to that. I would hate for you to lower yourself to having a opinion not spoon fed to you...I guess I better hit my stat books and dig up some articles to have a opinion so educated as yours.
I used to respect your posts... But this one gets you all these
and most importantly :11: :11: :11:Thanks for contributing to this thread. Your insight is, as always, much appreciated.I used to respect your posts... But this one gets you all these
This is your speculation right?I don't think you can compare Jonathan Wells to Chris Brown (3.1 ypc for career vs. 4.3 ypc). But your point is well-taken that a team might not want to give up a boatload of money and a 3rd round pick. Two possibilities.that's what i'm thinking. i'm not doubting that the guy has some ability and is a pretty good RB. But I'm looking at Jonathan Wells for free before i'm giving up a 3rd rounder for Chris Brown.There will be no market for him if they want a 3rd round pick in return. The guy wants a payday after this year, I don't think a lot of teams are going to line up to fork over a 3rd round pick and a bunch of money to keep Chris Brown.Heck, I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd rounder. He was drafted behind Rbs like BJ Askew and Musa Smith, and just ahead of Artose Pinner and Justin Fargas. In my mind he's very similar to another guy who went within a few picks of him - Domanick Davis. Brown is a productive back, he's just been banged up some. He's clearly starter-quality material if he can stay healthy - and even if he can't, and needs fewer carries, he has home-run capability. That makes him worth a 3rd rounder.
1. Brown further degrades his value to the Titans by holding out of camp and refusing to play for them. Like other players, he can force a trade, and Tennessee will have to take what they can get. However, given how cheap he is, if he goes this route, they could just as easily call his bluff and let him sit for the season, if he really intends to.
2. Brown is willing to play out his rookie deal for another team that will give him a real shot. The Titans have basically told him that they view White as the starter and him as a complementary back. He wants to at least go somewhere where he can be the #1 guy outright. And let's be honest, if he had stayed healthy, he would be seeing a Lamont Jordan sized paycheck, instead of being in a fight with the team.
I believe the NYJ stockpiled some picks for next year...
You have a lot of good insight if you didn't let things get personal all the time you could probably be one of the better posters on the board. Your personal attacks get old though and i know you don't always cast the first stone but sometimes it isn't good to beat a dead horse. Just my observation and opinion.Thanks for contributing to this thread. Your insight is, as always, much appreciated.I used to respect your posts... But this one gets you all these
I agree. I just have a very, very low tolerance for a) people who can't type according to the accepted rules of english rhetoric, and b) people who argue using generic semantic reasoning and generalized rhetorical questions that are counter-intuitive.I don't think it's too much to ask that people to try to add something to the thread when they post, but I certainly wouldn't disagree that I might be a little toward the "pet peeve" category in pointing it out.
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The Jets got an extra 2nd-rounder from Washington in this year's draft. I have no information on their interest (or lack of interest) in Brown.This is your speculation right?I don't think you can compare Jonathan Wells to Chris Brown (3.1 ypc for career vs. 4.3 ypc). But your point is well-taken that a team might not want to give up a boatload of money and a 3rd round pick. Two possibilities.that's what i'm thinking. i'm not doubting that the guy has some ability and is a pretty good RB. But I'm looking at Jonathan Wells for free before i'm giving up a 3rd rounder for Chris Brown.There will be no market for him if they want a 3rd round pick in return. The guy wants a payday after this year, I don't think a lot of teams are going to line up to fork over a 3rd round pick and a bunch of money to keep Chris Brown.Heck, I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd rounder. He was drafted behind Rbs like BJ Askew and Musa Smith, and just ahead of Artose Pinner and Justin Fargas. In my mind he's very similar to another guy who went within a few picks of him - Domanick Davis. Brown is a productive back, he's just been banged up some. He's clearly starter-quality material if he can stay healthy - and even if he can't, and needs fewer carries, he has home-run capability. That makes him worth a 3rd rounder.
1. Brown further degrades his value to the Titans by holding out of camp and refusing to play for them. Like other players, he can force a trade, and Tennessee will have to take what they can get. However, given how cheap he is, if he goes this route, they could just as easily call his bluff and let him sit for the season, if he really intends to.
2. Brown is willing to play out his rookie deal for another team that will give him a real shot. The Titans have basically told him that they view White as the starter and him as a complementary back. He wants to at least go somewhere where he can be the #1 guy outright. And let's be honest, if he had stayed healthy, he would be seeing a Lamont Jordan sized paycheck, instead of being in a fight with the team.
I believe the NYJ stockpiled some picks for next year...
He restructured his contract for the league minimum. Sounds like a very attractive trade option to me.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../603080419/1027
Brown looks like he can be a solid RB1 in this league, and probably be a middle of the pack. I suppose this guy believes Brown will be on the move and starting somewhere this season or next.Shelton is worth nothing (
) and 2nd round rookie picks? ehh.... could be some value.Supposedly, TEN had wanted to showcase Henry in the preseason to trade him, and that they denied Brown permission to seek trade makes me think they might still be.I'm not sure that Henry is worth less than Brown, but I can't imagine they would trade a 3rd round pick for Henry, and reject the possibility for a 3rd or 2nd for Brown.
insight?
I think you were the first one to say it. Nice self-promotion.Depending upon ou each person's opinion of White's future, I am sure we all have our various thoughts about why Brown is looking for a trade.Methinks someone who alluded to Brown wanting the trade because he didn't like the idea of splitting time with a rookie might have hit the nail on the head.
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