Chris Ivory (1 Viewer)

[ptsteelers]

Is there away to block an entire thread? Other than just not reading it? Ha

 

[kutta]

C'mon guys. Stop with the ridiculousness.

 

[loose circuits]

Do i need to link to posts and threads where I provide worthy info when you just provide nothing?I can, it's really quite simple.

Yeah, I'd like to see you try. The only thing simple is you. I don't know how The Fanatic doesn't know your schtick yet, but you are apparently well known in the Dickson thread. This post pretty much sums it up.

3. Does this need to be said in every thread? Stop feeding the Phenix troll. Every July/August the dude shows up and ####s all over threads. Just leave him alone and have a real conversation with people about the topic at hand.

I'll admit I only read the second page of that link, but I thought he offered some pretty solid backing, listing the TE's ahead of him, showing Dickson's numbers and Cook's historic numbers. There was some sarcasm there too, but nothing that warrants this sort of reaction. That being said, I have a very small sample size, so maybe he is a huge DB, but if this is the best example, I think there is some ##### baggering going on from both sides...

I tell it like it is. People think you have to be nice to possess knowledge, I am not nice when it comes to football, if someone is a fool I will tell them, they get upset... its how it is. But I backup my talk and others get angry and respond with Troll, blah blah blah. in fact being nice and interacting on a message gets you where? Has it got you any further than me?

Funny still waiting for any useful post link from FF Queen, while I provided at least 3 write up and have many more ready just incase the real troll wnats to open his mouth.

Funny, I do not discuss football the way you like and have provided many useful things to this site, then you get angry make "####" post as if that was useful and the definition of what a troll does, then u get angry then someone else with a reasonable mind called u out for it, yet I'm the troll? comical.

the thing you miss Phenix is that nobody is always right. 2 people can disagree, but both have knowledge. When you bring all this emotion/drama too it, reminds me of my pregnant hormonal wife. It's like you get offended when people disagree which is just silly in a hobby where even the paid experts are wrong a lot. I come here to get away from drama, not deal with more...

 

[loose circuits]

1. Empty stable: The current running-back situation isn't good. Chris Ivory (hamstring) still hasn't practiced, Mike Goodson isn't in camp (no one is saying when or if he'll show up) andJoe McKnight seems to develop a daily ailment, leaving Bilal Powell and John Griffin. Actually, Griffin has demonstrated some cut-back ability, but they'll need the big dogs to make this running game go.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/24683/an-early-evaluation-of-camp?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

no mention of Chad Spann though (Waldman favorite)

 

[ScottyDog]

You guys should be embarrassed. Go back and read how childish you both communicate. Pathetic.

 

[TheFanatic]

So did the guy practice yesterday? How is he looking. I WANT CAMP REPORTS!

 

[loose circuits]

1. Mike O'C ‏@OConnor_Jets2h
   I think I speak for all sane JEt fans when I plead to Sheldon Richardson and Chris Ivory to get on the field and off of the bikes...#PLEASE
   
   
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2. Brian Costello ‏@BrianCoz3h
   Chris Ivory waking off with trainer As team drills start #NYJ
   
   Followed by Jene Bramel and 6 others
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3. Jane McManus ‏@janesports3h
   Chris Ivory participating in individual drills this morning. Kellen Winslow Jr., Braylon Edwards as well. #Jets NFL
   
   sounds like he did individual drills, but hung with trainers during team portion
   
   

 

[steelcityman]

Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp? Have there not been enough season ending injuries already? Let the guy mend, and work back into it. Rushing him back may lead to another injury.

This coming from a guy that has Ivory as my RB3

 

[loose circuits]

Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp? Have there not been enough season ending injuries already? Let the guy mend, and work back into it. Rushing him back may lead to another injury.

This coming from a guy that has Ivory as my RB3

need to develop timing, learn playbook, etc... Not like Arian Foster who has been in same system for a few years

 

[Leonidas]

I'll be worried about it if he isn't into it full-go a week from now.

(I don't own Ivory anywhere, but am considering a RB/WR/WR open one of my drafts, thinking he will likely be available to me in the 4th or later...so I'm interested)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp? Have there not been enough season ending injuries already? Let the guy mend, and work back into it. Rushing him back may lead to another injury.

This coming from a guy that has Ivory as my RB3

need to develop timing, learn playbook, etc... Not like Arian Foster who has been in same system for a few years

Hopefully he'll be able to cram all of that stuff in over the next 5 weeks before the season actually starts.

 

[loose circuits]

Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp? Have there not been enough season ending injuries already? Let the guy mend, and work back into it. Rushing him back may lead to another injury.

This coming from a guy that has Ivory as my RB3

need to develop timing, learn playbook, etc... Not like Arian Foster who has been in same system for a few years

Hopefully he'll be able to cram all of that stuff in over the next 5 weeks before the season actually starts.

yeah, hopefully he doesn't get dinged up again when he returns

 

[loose circuits]

CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Chris Ivory, the Jets running back, is still trying to shed nagging tightness in his hamstring. Ivory practiced Monday, his first session of training camp. After the team spent Tuesday off the field, Ivory emerged again with his teammates this morning, wearing a fresh, white No. 33 uniform.

Ivory's participation was brief. The tendons in his leg tightened soon after practice began, during individual drills. The Jets training staff decided, at such an early juncture in the preseason, to pull Ivory off the field and return him to a rehabilitation regimen.

"The hamstring is tricky," Ivory said. "It can feel good, you can go out there like I did today. I thought I was ready but I’m not ready. I don’t want to push it and make it a two-week injury. When it’s fixed I’m able to stay out there and not injure it."



Ivory said he is becoming increasingly frustrated with his vantage point from the sidelines. He was acquired on April 26 after the Jets shipped a fourth-round draft pick to the New Orleans Saints. John Idzik, the Jets general manager, impressed by the 222-pounder's battering ram style, said he hopes Ivory can become the Jets' featured running back.

But with the injury, Ivory is yet to demonstrate he can carry the load. "I kind of feel like I’m starting off on the wrong foot," he said.

Ivory, thus, remains a mysterious candidate in an influential position battle. In three seasons as a member of the Saints' crowded backfield, Ivory averaged 5.1 yards per carry but started just eight games. Last December, a hamstring injury derailed what seemed to be a midseason ascension for Ivory. In the five games prior to the Week 14 injury, Ivory averaged 5.4 yards on 36 carries and scored twice.

Now, Ivory is focused on learning a new playbook as Joe McKnight and Bilal Powell share first-team repetitions. Presumably, that duo is embracing the opportunity the same way Ivory says he would have.

"You’ve always got something to prove," Ivory said. "I’ve got to go out there and show my work."

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/07/chris_ivory_jets_running_back_tweaks_hamstring_injury.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp? Have there not been enough season ending injuries already? Let the guy mend, and work back into it. Rushing him back may lead to another injury.

This coming from a guy that has Ivory as my RB3

need to develop timing, learn playbook, etc... Not like Arian Foster who has been in same system for a few years

Hopefully he'll be able to cram all of that stuff in over the next 5 weeks before the season actually starts.

yeah, hopefully he doesn't get dinged up again when he returns

If he is indeed "injury prone", it's due to his violent/reckless running style which leads to a lot of contact. This is a hamstring tightness, where the team is cautiously holding him out so that the hamstring doesn't tear and/or the injury doesn't linger.

Are you suggesting that his hamstrings are somehow weaker than other players and this is part of being "injury prone"?

Do you actually beleive that he can't get his timing back sometime between next week and September 8th, since that was your response to some one that stated "Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp?" ?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York reports the Jets will "in all likelihood" have a committee backfield, and that "privately," the team is only counting on 15 carries per game for Chris Ivory.
It's not a surprise considering Ivory's injury history. The talented-but-fragile back is already limited to individual drills by a hamstring "tweak." Mike Goodson would ideally be the passing-down half of a two-man committee, but hasn't reported to camp for unknown reasons. Middling talents Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight are vying for third-down duties in Goodson's absence. Ivory has the talent to be one of the NFL's best early-down hammers, but the Jets aren't ready to believe he has the durability. This all could change if Ivory gets rolling, of course.

Related: Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson

Source: ESPN New York

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Chris Ivory's troublesome hamstring flared up after he attempted to get in a full practice Wednesday.
"Hamstrings are tricky," Ivory said afterward. "It can feel good and you can go out there like I did today and I thought I was ready, but I’m not ready. So it’s a feel thing. I don’t want to push it and make it a two-week injury. When it’s fixed I want to be able to stay out there and not go back and re-injure it." It's the smart approach, but of little consolation to fantasy owners rattled by the fact that Ivory is already hurt. Ivory is shaping up as a boom-or-bust RB2 in his new home.


Source: New York Post

 

[loose circuits]

Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp? Have there not been enough season ending injuries already? Let the guy mend, and work back into it. Rushing him back may lead to another injury.

This coming from a guy that has Ivory as my RB3

need to develop timing, learn playbook, etc... Not like Arian Foster who has been in same system for a few years

Hopefully he'll be able to cram all of that stuff in over the next 5 weeks before the season actually starts.

yeah, hopefully he doesn't get dinged up again when he returns

If he is indeed "injury prone", it's due to his violent/reckless running style which leads to a lot of contact. This is a hamstring tightness, where the team is cautiously holding him out so that the hamstring doesn't tear and/or the injury doesn't linger.

Are you suggesting that his hamstrings are somehow weaker than other players and this is part of being "injury prone"?

Do you actually beleive that he can't get his timing back sometime between next week and September 8th, since that was your response to some one that stated "Why would you rush back your potential leading RB the first week of camp?" ?

good questions, I guess I was more responding to the importance of practice. If he's indeed injured they shouldn't bring him back too early. However, every rep is important.

As for weaker hammy's, isn't that the knock against Miles Austin. Seems like his have severely impacted his production the past few years if my memory serves correctly.

the other thing going on here, is what about the word spreading now they only want to give him 15 carries/gm (240/yr). Does that impact his value? Maybe it would be better to try to keep him healthy???

 

[Phenix]

I'll say it again, I hope he misses all of camp. I rather his hammy heal then hurt something else, blessing in disguise guys.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'll say it again, I hope he misses all of camp. I rather his hammy heal then hurt something else, blessing in disguise guys.

Agreed. If I don't see Ivory but more than a handful of carries before the games matter, I'm okay with that.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This was common with the Saints.

And even though he looks like a 20 carry guy he was commonly limited in carries.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York reports the Jets will "in all likelihood" have a committee backfield, and that "privately," the team is only counting on 15 carries per game for Chris Ivory.
It's not a surprise considering Ivory's injury history. The talented-but-fragile back is already limited to individual drills by a hamstring "tweak." Mike Goodson would ideally be the passing-down half of a two-man committee, but hasn't reported to camp for unknown reasons. Middling talents Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight are vying for third-down duties in Goodson's absence. Ivory has the talent to be one of the NFL's best early-down hammers, but the Jets aren't ready to believe he has the durability. This all could change if Ivory gets rolling, of course.

Related: Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson

Source: ESPN New York

Make that 8-15.

 

[Phenix]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York reports the Jets will "in all likelihood" have a committee backfield, and that "privately," the team is only counting on 15 carries per game for Chris Ivory.
It's not a surprise considering Ivory's injury history. The talented-but-fragile back is already limited to individual drills by a hamstring "tweak." Mike Goodson would ideally be the passing-down half of a two-man committee, but hasn't reported to camp for unknown reasons. Middling talents Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight are vying for third-down duties in Goodson's absence. Ivory has the talent to be one of the NFL's best early-down hammers, but the Jets aren't ready to believe he has the durability. This all could change if Ivory gets rolling, of course.

Related: Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson

Source: ESPN New York

Make that 8-15.

Yup because there are better running backs on the team and because that passing attack will be insane as well, they will limit a guy they pay millions because they care about his well being.

Start the panic, I'm buying where I can.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York reports the Jets will "in all likelihood" have a committee backfield, and that "privately," the team is only counting on 15 carries per game for Chris Ivory.
It's not a surprise considering Ivory's injury history. The talented-but-fragile back is already limited to individual drills by a hamstring "tweak." Mike Goodson would ideally be the passing-down half of a two-man committee, but hasn't reported to camp for unknown reasons. Middling talents Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight are vying for third-down duties in Goodson's absence. Ivory has the talent to be one of the NFL's best early-down hammers, but the Jets aren't ready to believe he has the durability. This all could change if Ivory gets rolling, of course.

Related: Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson

Source: ESPN New York

This makes no sense. If they didnt believe in his durability, why would they bring him in as their new starter instead of someone else? Also, so when the Jets are in a tight game and Ivory has 15 carries for 78 yards after 3 quarters, youre telling me he is going to the bench because they want to be sure he can suit up next week? Gimme a break.

 

[Phenix]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York reports the Jets will "in all likelihood" have a committee backfield, and that "privately," the team is only counting on 15 carries per game for Chris Ivory.
It's not a surprise considering Ivory's injury history. The talented-but-fragile back is already limited to individual drills by a hamstring "tweak." Mike Goodson would ideally be the passing-down half of a two-man committee, but hasn't reported to camp for unknown reasons. Middling talents Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight are vying for third-down duties in Goodson's absence. Ivory has the talent to be one of the NFL's best early-down hammers, but the Jets aren't ready to believe he has the durability. This all could change if Ivory gets rolling, of course.

Related: Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson

Source: ESPN New York

This makes no sense. If they didnt believe in his durability, why would they bring him in as their new starter instead of someone else? Also, so when the Jets are in a tight game and Ivory has 15 carries for 78 yards after 3 quarters, youre telling me he is going to the bench because they want to be sure he can suit up next week? Gimme a break.

You couldnt have said it any better.

 

[Rolling_akg]

The problem may be pass catching. Why put him on the field in catch-up mode? Powell probably better in passing situations and can't leave him on the field any more than necessary with his durability concerns

 

[Dr. Octopus]

they only want to give him 15 carries/gm (240/yr). Does that impact his value? Maybe it would be better to try to keep him healthy???

Sure the less hits he takes the more likely he is to say healthy that's an intuitive correlation - of course it doesn't mean that he can't get hurt on his third carry of the season either or that he would get hurt with 20 carries a game. 15 carries per game is probably a benchmark for most starting RBs - that will go up or down depending on game situation, etc.

As far as 15 carries a game affeciing his value , that's 240 on the season. Not sure people were expecting a ton more carries than that.

If we put him at 4.2 ypc (which is reasonable), that puts him at 1,008 rushing yards on the season throw in 15-20 receptions and 6-10 TDs, and he's still a RB2 (which is all most people really think he is).

Saying he's missing valuable time learning the playbook (did he suffer an eye injury) or that he can't get his timing down with more than 5 weeks to go before Week 1 seems like you're trying too hard.

 

[FantasyTrader]

they only want to give him 15 carries/gm (240/yr). Does that impact his value? Maybe it would be better to try to keep him healthy???

Sure the less hits he takes the more likely he is to say healthy that's an intuitive correlation - of course it doesn't mean that he can't get hurt on his third carry of the season either.

As far as 15 carries a game effetcing his value , that's 240 on the season. Not sure people were expecting a ton more carries than that -

If we put his at 4.2 ypc (which is reasonable) that puts him at 1,008 yards on the season throw in 15-20 receptions and 6-10 TDs, he's still a RB2 (which is all people think he is).

There were only 15 RB's that logged 240+ carries last year so that's actually much better than the low RB2 ADP that Ivory is currently slated.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York reports the Jets will "in all likelihood" have a committee backfield, and that "privately," the team is only counting on 15 carries per game for Chris Ivory.
It's not a surprise considering Ivory's injury history. The talented-but-fragile back is already limited to individual drills by a hamstring "tweak." Mike Goodson would ideally be the passing-down half of a two-man committee, but hasn't reported to camp for unknown reasons. Middling talents Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight are vying for third-down duties in Goodson's absence. Ivory has the talent to be one of the NFL's best early-down hammers, but the Jets aren't ready to believe he has the durability. This all could change if Ivory gets rolling, of course.

Related: Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson

Source: ESPN New York

Make that 8-15.

Yup because there are better running backs on the team and because that passing attack will be insane as well, they will limit a guy they pay millions because they care about his well being.

Start the panic, I'm buying where I can.

Hey I don't think they care about his well being more than any other player, they just may think he could get "tweaked" easily. He's had injuries in the past without even hitting the field in game time. - The situation is perfect though, his talent is great and despite what people think he can catch and run quite well. RW has an interesting comment that Idzik thinks Smith can be Wilson, Ivory can be Lynch in a Hawks East kind of concept. And if Ivory is rolling then he's rolling. If he's injured, then he's not. As for his time with the Saints, Payton has never been afraid to take an undrafted free agent or low draft pick and build an offense around them, and they wanted a power runner so bad they traded two picks to get Ingram, if they had had the confidence in Ivory to carry that role they would have handed it to him. A lot of Saints fans believe they missed the boat, who knows, maybe they did, we shall see, but it really is just a question of his staying healthy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'll admit this is most likely just offseason "fluff", but:

The Jets hope that Chris Ivory can become a three-down back.
"I think with a back with that skill set, you definitely want to work toward that progression," said assistant head coach Anthony Lynn. "We’ll definitely use him. I don’t know if he’s dropped a ball since he’s been here. He’s showing nothing but natural hands." Ivory had all of three career catches on five targets through three seasons with the Saints, but New Orleans had a stable full of legitimate pass catchers. The Jets don't have that. If Ivory can stay off the trainer's table and secure a three-down role, his fantasy stock will skyrocket.

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

I just don't understand the Chris Ivory love, someone help me out. I'm a big proponent of watching what a team's actions tell us. The teams see their players every day, in practice and on tape over and over.

In 2010 Ivory got a legitimate shot and had two or three decent games, and a good overall yards per carry and showed that he was not a receiving threat at all (1 reception).

In 2011 New Orleans spent a first round draft pick on a RB and demoted Ivory to third string. He battled injuries much of the year.

In 2012 Ivory remained third string while sidelined with injuries for much of the season.

At the start of 2013 New Orleans traded him away for a fourth round pick, despite Ingram not having really showed them he could be a legitimate starter.

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need. Now he gets a shot at a starting gig with a terrible Jets team and everyone is singing his praises, it just doesn't make sense to me. The only thing I can think of is there's a cadre of folks who believe he's the real deal "if only he gets another chance", and they think this because he had a few decent games three years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Ivory is a bad player. I'm just saying he's near the bottom of my list of starting RBs, I have him about 28th on my redraft league list right beneath solid committee guys like Andre Brown and BJGE.

 

[Art Vandalay]

I just don't understand the Chris Ivory love, someone help me out. I'm a big proponent of watching what a team's actions tell us. The teams see their players every day, in practice and on tape over and over.

In 2010 Ivory got a legitimate shot and had two or three decent games, and a good overall yards per carry and showed that he was not a receiving threat at all (1 reception).

In 2011 New Orleans spent a first round draft pick on a RB and demoted Ivory to third string. He battled injuries much of the year.

In 2012 Ivory remained third string while sidelined with injuries for much of the season.

At the start of 2013 New Orleans traded him away for a fourth round pick, despite Ingram not having really showed them he could be a legitimate starter.

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need. Now he gets a shot at a starting gig with a terrible Jets team and everyone is singing his praises, it just doesn't make sense to me. The only thing I can think of is there's a cadre of folks who believe he's the real deal "if only he gets another chance", and they think this because he had a few decent games three years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Ivory is a bad player. I'm just saying he's near the bottom of my list of starting RBs, I have him about 28th on my redraft league list right beneath solid committee guys like Andre Brown and BJGE.

Because situation is what players are drafted on and being the unquestioned starter (despite a bogus depth chart that just came out) that will touch the ball 15-20 a game plus all GL looks is something only a handful of players have.

Ivory looks good when he is out there, at least better the Shonne Green has looked. Last year Greene had 1200 and 8 for a really bad Jets team. IF healthy I think that is a reasonable prediction for Ivory.

 

[thriftyrocker]

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need.

NO traded Ivory because they didn't think they could afford him in 2014. They got good value from a player that they were going to lose anyway and who they didn't really need.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need.

NO traded Ivory because they didn't think they

could afford him in 2014. They got good value from a player that they were going to lose anyway and who they didn't really need.

The extension he signed with the Jets was only 3 years / $6 million total -- I doubt they were super worried about being able to afford him. The Saints actions and the contract that Ivory signed suggest that the NFL doesn't see him as anything more than a role player type talent. Of course, if he holds up, with Goodson AWOL and Powell being JAG, he might see a greater workload this year than his talent level alone would merit.

 

[saintfool]

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need.

NO traded Ivory because they didn't think they could afford him in 2014. They got good value from a player that they were going to lose anyway and who they didn't really need.

this.

he was a luxury they couldn't afford coming into the season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need.

NO traded Ivory because they didn't think they

could afford him in 2014. They got good value from a player that they were going to lose anyway and who they didn't really need.

The extension he signed with the Jets was only 3 years / $6 million total -- I doubt they were super worried about being able to afford him. The Saints actions and the contract that Ivory signed suggest that the NFL doesn't see him as anything more than a role player type talent. Of course, if he holds up, with Goodson AWOL and Powell being JAG, he might see a greater workload this year than his talent level alone would merit.

His contract has performance escalators as well.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Just traded for him in a 12 team PPR dynasty. Felt it was pretty cheap, but until he proves he can stay healthy, not sure how big his price tag should be anyway.

Gave: Stephen Hill, 2nd in 2014

Got: Ivory, Goodson

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

I just don't understand the Chris Ivory love, someone help me out. I'm a big proponent of watching what a team's actions tell us. The teams see their players every day, in practice and on tape over and over.

In 2010 Ivory got a legitimate shot and had two or three decent games, and a good overall yards per carry and showed that he was not a receiving threat at all (1 reception).

In 2011 New Orleans spent a first round draft pick on a RB and demoted Ivory to third string. He battled injuries much of the year.

In 2012 Ivory remained third string while sidelined with injuries for much of the season.

At the start of 2013 New Orleans traded him away for a fourth round pick, despite Ingram not having really showed them he could be a legitimate starter.

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need. Now he gets a shot at a starting gig with a terrible Jets team and everyone is singing his praises, it just doesn't make sense to me. The only thing I can think of is there's a cadre of folks who believe he's the real deal "if only he gets another chance", and they think this because he had a few decent games three years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Ivory is a bad player. I'm just saying he's near the bottom of my list of starting RBs, I have him about 28th on my redraft league list right beneath solid committee guys like Andre Brown and BJGE.

Because situation is what players are drafted on and being the unquestioned starter (despite a bogus depth chart that just came out) that will touch the ball 15-20 a game plus all GL looks is something only a handful of players have.

Ivory looks good when he is out there, at least better the Shonne Green has looked. Last year Greene had 1200 and 8 for a really bad Jets team. IF healthy I think that is a reasonable prediction for Ivory.

Thanks for the excellent replies everyone, some good answers to my question. If we assume he's better than Shone Greene, and I'm not so sure about that but I will say that I don't think he's worse, and if he stays healthy for most of the season, another things I'm not so sure about, then I could see him producing something similar, which is decent fantasy production especially for a flex kind of slot.

 

[Art Vandalay]

I just don't understand the Chris Ivory love, someone help me out. I'm a big proponent of watching what a team's actions tell us. The teams see their players every day, in practice and on tape over and over.

In 2010 Ivory got a legitimate shot and had two or three decent games, and a good overall yards per carry and showed that he was not a receiving threat at all (1 reception).

In 2011 New Orleans spent a first round draft pick on a RB and demoted Ivory to third string. He battled injuries much of the year.

In 2012 Ivory remained third string while sidelined with injuries for much of the season.

At the start of 2013 New Orleans traded him away for a fourth round pick, despite Ingram not having really showed them he could be a legitimate starter.

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need. Now he gets a shot at a starting gig with a terrible Jets team and everyone is singing his praises, it just doesn't make sense to me. The only thing I can think of is there's a cadre of folks who believe he's the real deal "if only he gets another chance", and they think this because he had a few decent games three years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Ivory is a bad player. I'm just saying he's near the bottom of my list of starting RBs, I have him about 28th on my redraft league list right beneath solid committee guys like Andre Brown and BJGE.

Because situation is what players are drafted on and being the unquestioned starter (despite a bogus depth chart that just came out) that will touch the ball 15-20 a game plus all GL looks is something only a handful of players have.

Ivory looks good when he is out there, at least better the Shonne Green has looked. Last year Greene had 1200 and 8 for a really bad Jets team. IF healthy I think that is a reasonable prediction for Ivory.

Thanks for the excellent replies everyone, some good answers to my question. If we assume he's better than Shone Greene, and I'm not so sure about that but I will say that I don't think he's worse, and if he stays healthy for most of the season, another things I'm not so sure about, then I could see him producing something similar, which is decent fantasy production especially for a flex kind of slot.

I am not exceptionally high on him but I find the #1 problem/mistake is valuing talent/youth over opportunity.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Rex Ryan admitted that he's "kind of frustrated" by Chris Ivory's absence.
The oft-injured Ivory has been out of practice for nearly a week now and won't play in the preseason opener. "Hey, he's had a hamstring," Ryan said. "When the trainers clear him, he'll be ready to roll. He's champing at the bit to get out there. He's working extremely hard." Ivory is clearly the Jets' most talented running back and arguably their best offensive player, period. His spot atop the depth chart is not in danger.


Source: New York Post

Aug 6 - 9:03 AM

 

[Kenny Powers]

Just traded for him in a 12 team PPR dynasty. Felt it was pretty cheap, but until he proves he can stay healthy, not sure how big his price tag should be anyway.

Gave: Stephen Hill, 2nd in 2014

Got: Ivory, Goodson

You shouldve just asked for the guy you made this trade with to buy you a couple beers during the first game you watch together instead on throwing Goodson in on it.

 

[Rolling_akg]

Just traded for him in a 12 team PPR dynasty. Felt it was pretty cheap, but until he proves he can stay healthy, not sure how big his price tag should be anyway.

Gave: Stephen Hill, 2nd in 2014

Got: Ivory, Goodson

You shouldve just asked for the guy you made this trade with to buy you a couple beers during the first game you watch together instead on throwing Goodson in on it.

I'd take a couple of brews to have no players on the jets at all.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Chris Ivory (hamstring) insists he isn't injury prone.
"I wouldn’t say I struggled with injuries in the NFL," Ivory claimed. "I had 4-5 hamstring injuries and a foot injury, which is a lot, but I was always able to get over the hump (in New Orleans). It’s always been more the media saying I was injury-prone, which is frustrating." Coach Rex Ryan appears to agree with the "media," saying he's "kind of frustrated" by Ivory's absence, and that Ivory "knows more about it than I do right now." Ivory has insisted he'll be back next week.


Source: New York Post

 

[TheFanatic]

Rotoworld:

Chris Ivory (hamstring) insists he isn't injury prone.
"I wouldn’t say I struggled with injuries in the NFL," Ivory claimed. "I had 4-5 hamstring injuries and a foot injury, which is a lot, but I was always able to get over the hump (in New Orleans). It’s always been more the media saying I was injury-prone, which is frustrating." Coach Rex Ryan appears to agree with the "media," saying he's "kind of frustrated" by Ivory's absence, and that Ivory "knows more about it than I do right now." Ivory has insisted he'll be back next week.


Source: New York Post

Isn't 4-5 hamstring injuries and foot injury in what, a 3-4 year career, pretty much the definition of injury prone? I own the guy and this statement is just ridiculous. I'm no trainer, but maybe, just maybe, how about some stretching? Hershel Walker said the reason he lasted so long in the NFL Was that he spent more time stretching than he did lifting. Stretch out those hamstrings bro!

 

[FantasyTrader]

Rotoworld:

Chris Ivory (hamstring) insists he isn't injury prone.
"I wouldn’t say I struggled with injuries in the NFL," Ivory claimed. "I had 4-5 hamstring injuries and a foot injury, which is a lot, but I was always able to get over the hump (in New Orleans). It’s always been more the media saying I was injury-prone, which is frustrating." Coach Rex Ryan appears to agree with the "media," saying he's "kind of frustrated" by Ivory's absence, and that Ivory "knows more about it than I do right now." Ivory has insisted he'll be back next week.


Source: New York Post

Isn't 4-5 hamstring injuries and foot injury in what, a 3-4 year career, pretty much the definition of injury prone? I own the guy and this statement is just ridiculous. I'm no trainer, but maybe, just maybe, how about some stretching? Hershel Walker said the reason he lasted so long in the NFL Was that he spent more time stretching than he did lifting. Stretch out those hamstrings bro!

Well said. You have that many issues with the hamstring, it's usually because you're not doing the little things that prevent it. Early in his career, Isaac Bruce was constantly pulling hamstrings. Later he said he finally paid attention to stretching and diet/hydration and never dealt with it again. Boy I find it hard to swallow though, that in a multi-billion dollar business, that these rudimentary measures wouldn't be paid attention to.

 

[cheese]

I just don't understand the Chris Ivory love, someone help me out. I'm a big proponent of watching what a team's actions tell us. The teams see their players every day, in practice and on tape over and over.

In 2010 Ivory got a legitimate shot and had two or three decent games, and a good overall yards per carry and showed that he was not a receiving threat at all (1 reception).

In 2011 New Orleans spent a first round draft pick on a RB and demoted Ivory to third string. He battled injuries much of the year.

In 2012 Ivory remained third string while sidelined with injuries for much of the season.

At the start of 2013 New Orleans traded him away for a fourth round pick, despite Ingram not having really showed them he could be a legitimate starter.

When I look at Ivory's career so far I see a player that New Orleans didn't want, despite having a need. Now he gets a shot at a starting gig with a terrible Jets team and everyone is singing his praises, it just doesn't make sense to me. The only thing I can think of is there's a cadre of folks who believe he's the real deal "if only he gets another chance", and they think this because he had a few decent games three years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Ivory is a bad player. I'm just saying he's near the bottom of my list of starting RBs, I have him about 28th on my redraft league list right beneath solid committee guys like Andre Brown and BJGE.

While I might agree with you, I don't think the Saints believed they had a need. They were very high at times on Bush, Sproles, and Ingram when they drafted him. I wouldn't automatically assume the Saints didn't think much of Ivory for not giving him carries over that group.

 

[cstu]

(KFFL) New York Jets RB Bilal Powell could be a key contributor in the offense this season because he is a better receiver than RB Chris Ivory. Ivory is expected to be the team's starting running back this season.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Rex Ryan came away from Chris Ivory's first full training camp practice believing the Jets' new feature back looked "excellent."
He's finally off the shelf, and hopefully for the sake of both fantasy football fans and the lowly Jets, Ivory can stay off of it. "He looked excellent," said Ryan. "That's one every Jets fan has been waiting to see." Ivory is a limited, two-down back with major durability concerns, but he runs with ferocity, power, and dynamic lateral agility. He's a high-ceiling, if risky RB2 fantasy pick.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

[Stealthycat]

poor people that traded him -

 

[Rolling_akg]

poor people that traded him -

Is his value actually coming back?

 

[Chaka]

He's been a solid player in limited time but going back to college his durability trajectory is very much like a DeMarco Murray, Darren McFadden or Ryan Matthews without having demonstrated their high end production at either level.