Chris Johnson in the 5th Round? (1 Viewer)

[rowmacks]

Just got him in the 10th round of a startup dynasty...

 

[Eminence]

Just got him in the 10th round of a startup dynasty...

$$$.

 

[rickyg]

My worry with him is touchdowns. I'm in a standard league. 1000 yards and 5 Tds isn't worth a 5th rounder.

 

[Insein]

My worry with him is touchdowns. I'm in a standard league. 1000 yards and 5 Tds isn't worth a 5th rounder.

Add in about 30-40 catches for another 300-400 yards and yea it is.

 

[Chaka]

My worry with him is touchdowns. I'm in a standard league. 1000 yards and 5 Tds isn't worth a 5th rounder.

TDs are highly unpredictable. All you can ask for in the mid rounds of a draft is for your pick to get opportunities and CJ is more likely to get those then most of the other players you would select instead of him.

 

[Ghost Rider]

My worry with him is touchdowns. I'm in a standard league. 1000 yards and 5 Tds isn't worth a 5th rounder.

TDs are highly unpredictable. All you can ask for in the mid rounds of a draft is for your pick to get opportunities and CJ is more likely to get those then most of the other players you would select instead of him.

True. Plus, the Jets are more likely to stick with the run more than the Titans did, which means I could see him breaking off a few long TD runs. The Jets schedule isn't overly tough either. I know I am not the only CJ owner already salivating about the Week 1 matchup against Oakland.

 

[rickyg]

Would you guys rather have Cj or growing the 5th? I think id rather have gore.

 

[Insein]

Would you guys rather have Cj or growing the 5th? I think id rather have gore.

CJ. No question.

 

[Chaka]

Would you guys rather have Cj or growing the 5th? I think id rather have gore.

CJ. No question.

l lean that direction too but not as strongly as Insein.

 

[Insein]

Would you guys rather have Cj or growing the 5th? I think id rather have gore.

CJ. No question.

l lean that direction too but not as strongly as Insein.

I just can't look at the SF backfield and not think "its going to happen eventually, Gore will be phased out.". I don't want to be the guy left holding the Gore bag when that happens.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Would you guys rather have Cj or growing the 5th? I think id rather have gore.

CJ. No question.

l lean that direction too but not as strongly as Insein.

I am probably in between you two. I lean pretty strongly in favor of Johnson. Hell, he was better than Gore last year, and this year, Johnson is on a run-first team that will use him in the passing game, while Gore is on the verge of hitting the wall and/or losing carries to a hot young rookie. And Gore rarely catches passes.

 

[Soulfly3]

took him at 5.04 and couldnt be happier.

most underrated RB in fantasy these days.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I can see why most of the RBs going ahead of him are, but he's a huge value, and dependable when it comes to health.

 

[need2know]

What are cjs negatives? Consistency? There are only like 3 or 4 rbs that give you major points every week. Ivory? Cmon. When ivory is not injured, he is not half the rb cj is. It baffles me how a 28 year old top ten rb is available in the 5th round.

 

[rdrouyn]

I'm not the biggest fan of CJ, but getting him as a flex is too much value to pass.

 

[donkshow]

Most people just think of 2000 yards and think Johnson sucks now.

Fact is he has either finished as an RB1 or a very high end RB2 every year and now is getting drafted as a low RB2 or even RB3. It's crazy.

 

[cvnpoka]

this is pretty scathing

9. Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson is the inverse of Percy Harvin. Harvin is a great football player, albeit too violent for his own good. All CJ?K cares about is his own good. He rarely runs hard but avoids injury, stays on the field, and compiles numbers. Nevermind that he torpedoes fantasy weeks and hurts his own team.

Potential CJ?K drafters who look at year-ending stats might perceive a value opportunity. After all, Johnson has finished the last three seasons a respectable-looking 16th, 13th, and ninth in fantasy running back points. Shoot, maybe he's trending upward based on those numbers. He isn't, of course, and fantasy leaguers who've owned him know best. As @LateRoundQB has noted, Johnson had as many top-24 PPR weeks as DeAngelo Williams last season. Although Johnson still intermittently (read: rarely) flashes game-breaking ability, his on-field effort has been inconsistent to be kind, and his 2013 YPC average of 3.86 was the worst of his career. Johnson turns 29 next month and is coming off of offseason knee surgery.

Johnson's fantasy value is volume dependent to the extreme, and in New York he will lose a ton of volume. Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year. He's also likely to lose goal-line work to Chris Ivory, and some passing-down duties to superior pass protector Bilal Powell.

For years, Johnson complained loudly about the Titans' offensive line. Pro Football Focus graded Tennessee as the NFL's No. 4 run-blocking offense last year. The Jets were second worst before losing top run blocker RT Austin Howard in free agency. As Dynasty League Football's @KarlSafchick has stated, Johnson managed one solitary run of 25-plus yards in 2013. Ivory had five on 97 fewer carries.

Ivory is the Jets' best runner, and I expect OC Marty Mornhinweg's backfield usage to ultimately reflect that. Johnson is a bust at his fifth-round ADP.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/48156/139/rotoworld-roundup

 

[Insein]

this is pretty scathing

9. Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson is the inverse of Percy Harvin. Harvin is a great football player, albeit too violent for his own good. All CJ?K cares about is his own good. He rarely runs hard but avoids injury, stays on the field, and compiles numbers. Nevermind that he torpedoes fantasy weeks and hurts his own team.

Potential CJ?K drafters who look at year-ending stats might perceive a value opportunity. After all, Johnson has finished the last three seasons a respectable-looking 16th, 13th, and ninth in fantasy running back points. Shoot, maybe he's trending upward based on those numbers. He isn't, of course, and fantasy leaguers who've owned him know best. As @LateRoundQB has noted, Johnson had as many top-24 PPR weeks as DeAngelo Williams last season. Although Johnson still intermittently (read: rarely) flashes game-breaking ability, his on-field effort has been inconsistent to be kind, and his 2013 YPC average of 3.86 was the worst of his career. Johnson turns 29 next month and is coming off of offseason knee surgery.

Johnson's fantasy value is volume dependent to the extreme, and in New York he will lose a ton of volume. Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year. He's also likely to lose goal-line work to Chris Ivory, and some passing-down duties to superior pass protector Bilal Powell.

For years, Johnson complained loudly about the Titans' offensive line. Pro Football Focus graded Tennessee as the NFL's No. 4 run-blocking offense last year. The Jets were second worst before losing top run blocker RT Austin Howard in free agency. As Dynasty League Football's @KarlSafchick has stated, Johnson managed one solitary run of 25-plus yards in 2013. Ivory had five on 97 fewer carries.

Ivory is the Jets' best runner, and I expect OC Marty Mornhinweg's backfield usage to ultimately reflect that. Johnson is a bust at his fifth-round ADP.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/48156/139/rotoworld-roundup

Rotoworld. If they have an agenda, they will find the stats that suit their angle.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

this is pretty scathing

9. Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson is the inverse of Percy Harvin. Harvin is a great football player, albeit too violent for his own good. All CJ?K cares about is his own good. He rarely runs hard but avoids injury, stays on the field, and compiles numbers. Nevermind that he torpedoes fantasy weeks and hurts his own team.

Potential CJ?K drafters who look at year-ending stats might perceive a value opportunity. After all, Johnson has finished the last three seasons a respectable-looking 16th, 13th, and ninth in fantasy running back points. Shoot, maybe he's trending upward based on those numbers. He isn't, of course, and fantasy leaguers who've owned him know best. As @LateRoundQB has noted, Johnson had as many top-24 PPR weeks as DeAngelo Williams last season. Although Johnson still intermittently (read: rarely) flashes game-breaking ability, his on-field effort has been inconsistent to be kind, and his 2013 YPC average of 3.86 was the worst of his career. Johnson turns 29 next month and is coming off of offseason knee surgery.

Johnson's fantasy value is volume dependent to the extreme, and in New York he will lose a ton of volume. Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year. He's also likely to lose goal-line work to Chris Ivory, and some passing-down duties to superior pass protector Bilal Powell.

For years, Johnson complained loudly about the Titans' offensive line. Pro Football Focus graded Tennessee as the NFL's No. 4 run-blocking offense last year. The Jets were second worst before losing top run blocker RT Austin Howard in free agency. As Dynasty League Football's @KarlSafchick has stated, Johnson managed one solitary run of 25-plus yards in 2013. Ivory had five on 97 fewer carries.

Ivory is the Jets' best runner, and I expect OC Marty Mornhinweg's backfield usage to ultimately reflect that. Johnson is a bust at his fifth-round ADP.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/48156/139/rotoworld-roundup

Read this a few days ago and this guys must be a CJ owner for the past three years. I am too and not a happy camper about that, but this seems too extreme. CJ has fallen hard, but I still expect him to outplay Ivory. I agree about the goal line carries though and Ivory looked good in the preseason. But if this was true they would not have signed CJ, it's not like he got a chump change contract. His current ADP looks to be in the early 5th, which is already after all of the RB's you would consider bellcows and I don't see too many names that come after that who, for now, looks to be in a better situation. You could do much worse for your RB3 or flex guy at that price point. Now if you're looking for keeper/dynasty upside, then absolutely he is not a good pick there.

Player/ADP

Chris Johnson 5.02

Ben Tate 5.03

Ray Rice 5.04

Steven Ridley 6.03

Steven Jackson 6.08

Pierre Thomas 6.12

Lamar Miller 6.13

MJD 7.01

Stopping at MJD as he is the only name I would take over CJ on that list. Who on this list would you say is clearly in a better spot for the upcoming season? And I'm not including the flyer guys like Hyde, West, Freeman and the likes who could be the next super RB if the right situation sets for them. What about Ingram at current ADP 10.12? I guess if you were willing to take a WR in the early rounds that would be a different story as well.

 

[donkshow]

Lose goal-line touches? Johnson hasn't gotten goal-line touches in a few years.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Mornhinweg - 3 of the 4 years top 10 rush yards offense.

17 years as OC, 2nd year in this system, 9-10 years of producing top-15 rushing offenses, Ivory constantly getting nicked, I like CJ's chances.

 

[cvnpoka]

Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year.

well, this is the most worrisome. how accurate does it seem?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Finally tallied my projections today and CJ ended up being my RB15, was a little surprised by that considering I only have him going for 1050/6 and 320/1

 

[Reaper]

Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year.

well, this is the most worrisome. how accurate does it seem?

JetsBeat Writers are a big collection of Football Morons who throw #### against the wall......

Reason for this is it's NY - The only way they sell papers in a saturated market is by being different - so, Instead of having the greatest football minds writing about football you get a competition for the Snarkiest, most outlandish story in the Mold of Mike Florio.....

I still say, just use tiers - If CJ is there in the 6th or later and I need another RB, I'd be happy...

 

[leftcoastguy7]

Rotoworld. If they have an agenda, they will find the stats that suit their angle.

Listened to Evan Silva on a podcast.

When referring to CJ, all he could say is "he sucks" over and over.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Finally tallied my projections today and CJ ended up being my RB15, was a little surprised by that considering I only have him going for 1050/6 and 320/1

How many carries, receptions?

 

[Soulfly3]

Rotoworld. If they have an agenda, they will find the stats that suit their angle.

Listened to Evan Silva on a podcast.

When referring to CJ, all he could say is "he sucks" over and over.

evan silva is

a) hideously ugly

b) hideously ugly

and c) hideously stupid

CJ's history speaks for itself. End of discussion. He may not have been flashy last year, and uninterested at times.... but he still finished top 10 in my nonPPR.

so uh, ya... sign me up in the 5th ALL DAY

 

[Tanner9919]

his week 1 matchup. v. oakland is worth a 5th rnd pick,alone..I know it's fake football right now, but have you seen the holes these guys, CJ/Ivory, are running through? Geno looks legit. the offense has a play making TE now, and a respected WR in Decker..if this offense doesn't inspire enthusiasm, nothing will.I'm so happy he's treated as JAG..he might be the sleeper RB of the year..value value value..

 

[Insein]

My only issue now is if the guys in my league are on to him. I could get him in the 6th if not because its a 2qb league. Just don't know if I should wait that long.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

My only issue now is if the guys in my league are on to him. I could get him in the 6th if not because its a 2qb league. Just don't know if I should wait that long.

forward the rotoworld article to everyone.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Finally tallied my projections today and CJ ended up being my RB15, was a little surprised by that considering I only have him going for 1050/6 and 320/1

How many carries, receptions?

I play non-PPR, but around 235 carries and 35-40 catches...In one league I do have odd rules where 10 carries in a game is 1pt (which I expect him to get every game he's healthy) and 3pts for 5 receptions in a game (which I gave him a 0 for).

I actually could see him get even more receptions from Geno than that if he checkdowns a lot. Ivory wont have a role in the passing game and Im not worried about Powell now that he has a real RB ahead of him.

 

[Banger]

Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year.

well, this is the most worrisome. how accurate does it seem?

But what do they really know about in game usage. CJ has proven he can take the volume and has never finished worse than 18th. I think he's a great rb3.

 

[rdrouyn]

this is pretty scathing

9. Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson is the inverse of Percy Harvin. Harvin is a great football player, albeit too violent for his own good. All CJ?K cares about is his own good. He rarely runs hard but avoids injury, stays on the field, and compiles numbers. Nevermind that he torpedoes fantasy weeks and hurts his own team.

Potential CJ?K drafters who look at year-ending stats might perceive a value opportunity. After all, Johnson has finished the last three seasons a respectable-looking 16th, 13th, and ninth in fantasy running back points. Shoot, maybe he's trending upward based on those numbers. He isn't, of course, and fantasy leaguers who've owned him know best. As @LateRoundQB has noted, Johnson had as many top-24 PPR weeks as DeAngelo Williams last season. Although Johnson still intermittently (read: rarely) flashes game-breaking ability, his on-field effort has been inconsistent to be kind, and his 2013 YPC average of 3.86 was the worst of his career. Johnson turns 29 next month and is coming off of offseason knee surgery.

Johnson's fantasy value is volume dependent to the extreme, and in New York he will lose a ton of volume. Jets beat writers have pegged him for around 200 carries, 79 fewer than last year. He's also likely to lose goal-line work to Chris Ivory, and some passing-down duties to superior pass protector Bilal Powell.

For years, Johnson complained loudly about the Titans' offensive line. Pro Football Focus graded Tennessee as the NFL's No. 4 run-blocking offense last year. The Jets were second worst before losing top run blocker RT Austin Howard in free agency. As Dynasty League Football's @KarlSafchick has stated, Johnson managed one solitary run of 25-plus yards in 2013. Ivory had five on 97 fewer carries.

Ivory is the Jets' best runner, and I expect OC Marty Mornhinweg's backfield usage to ultimately reflect that. Johnson is a bust at his fifth-round ADP.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/48156/139/rotoworld-roundup

Rotoworld. If they have an agenda, they will find the stats that suit their angle.

Either he gets all of the carries and his ypc remains low, or he gets less carries and his efficiency goes up. Maybe he is shot beyond repair but I don't believe that, he's looked serviceable in preaseason. I think he goes for 1200 total yards and 6 total TDs easily with a possible higher ceiling if Ivory gets hurt as usual. 156 fp. Ill take that as my flex.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Finally tallied my projections today and CJ ended up being my RB15, was a little surprised by that considering I only have him going for 1050/6 and 320/1

How many carries, receptions?

I play non-PPR, but around 235 carries and 35-40 catches...In one league I do have odd rules where 10 carries in a game is 1pt (which I expect him to get every game he's healthy) and 3pts for 5 receptions in a game (which I gave him a 0 for).

I actually could see him get even more receptions from Geno than that if he checkdowns a lot. Ivory wont have a role in the passing game and Im not worried about Powell now that he has a real RB ahead of him.

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

TLR CJ is a decent value in the 5th/6th but if things play out as NYJ would like this year he will not be the steal of the draft.

 

[IheartGuinness]

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

TLR CJ is a decent value in the 5th/6th but if things play out as NYJ would like this year he will not be the steal of the draft.

"Undeniably" more talented? I don't think that at all.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

TLR CJ is a decent value in the 5th/6th but if things play out as NYJ would like this year he will not be the steal of the draft.

"Undeniably" more talented? I don't think that at all.

Watch them both run, most recently, watch the NYJ vs. NYG dress rehearsal.. I think it's blatantly obvious. I don't think CJ has looked bad in the slightest but Ivory is genuinely exciting to watch. He's a powerful, has good vision and burst. He has tackle breaking ability but also the ability to take it to the house. I think CJ is the more rounded back (better in pass pro, better hands) but as a pure runner I don't think it's very close at this point in their careers. The problem with Ivory has never been talent.

 

[need2know]

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

TLR CJ is a decent value in the 5th/6th but if things play out as NYJ would like this year he will not be the steal of the draft.

"Undeniably" more talented? I don't think that at all.

Watch them both run, most recently, watch the NYJ vs. NYG dress rehearsal.. I think it's blatantly obvious. I don't think CJ has looked bad in the slightest but Ivory is genuinely exciting to watch. He's a powerful, has good vision and burst. He has tackle breaking ability but also the ability to take it to the house. I think CJ is the more rounded back (better in pass pro, better hands) but as a pure runner I don't think it's very close at this point in their careers. The problem with Ivory has never been talent.

I disagree. As an eagles fan I have seen enough of mortinweg to know he will want the best psss catching back in there. Ivory will get short yardage, some goaline , and spell cj. But cjs ability to catch will keep him on the field the majority of the time. I also think hes the better runner too, but just my opinion. 60/ 40 split until ivory hurts himself then it goes up after that.

 

[Bri]

CJ > Ivory

If you don't think so, you're like a burned lover still hanging on.

Their career success isn't remotely similar

We've all been wrong about talents in FF, move on

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Finally tallied my projections today and CJ ended up being my RB15, was a little surprised by that considering I only have him going for 1050/6 and 320/1

How many carries, receptions?

I play non-PPR, but around 235 carries and 35-40 catches...In one league I do have odd rules where 10 carries in a game is 1pt (which I expect him to get every game he's healthy) and 3pts for 5 receptions in a game (which I gave him a 0 for).

I actually could see him get even more receptions from Geno than that if he checkdowns a lot. Ivory wont have a role in the passing game and Im not worried about Powell now that he has a real RB ahead of him.

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

yeah, they love powell so much they've been streaming a parade of rb through there every year to replace him.

powell was actually splitting touches with ivory to open last year, and ivory put him on the bench, although due to the early season work and the multiple ivory injuries powell still managed ~200 carries right along with ivory for season ending numbers.

are you expecting all 3 rb to get ~200 carries, or are you expecting ivory to just bench johnson?

you would seriously want a 'jag' like powell catching balls instead of johnson, who you just signed?

the fact that powell was in there at all last year doing that just shows how little faith they have in ivory on that part of the game, and that's a big part of marty's offense.

edit: I notice ivory is 'undeniably' more talented, and powell is 'without a doubt' going to take johnson's lunch.

/thread I guess

 

[SameSongNDance]

CJ > Ivory

If you don't think so, you're like a burned lover still hanging on.

Their career success isn't remotely similar

We've all been wrong about talents in FF, move on

I'm saying if Ivory remains healthy (one of the biggest "ifs" in fantasy) he is going to steal enough 1st and 2nd down work to keep CJ at the 220-240 mark (~14-15 carries a game) by years end. I'm not saying he's the better running back, just that he's the more talented runner. I'm not saying don't draft CJ based on this, just don't expect him to be some crazy steal as long as Ivory remains upright. If you actually looked through the Ivory threads, I'm one of his biggest detractors (all I do is parade around his lengthy injury history).

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

TLR CJ is a decent value in the 5th/6th but if things play out as NYJ would like this year he will not be the steal of the draft.

"Undeniably" more talented? I don't think that at all.

Watch them both run, most recently, watch the NYJ vs. NYG dress rehearsal.. I think it's blatantly obvious. I don't think CJ has looked bad in the slightest but Ivory is genuinely exciting to watch. He's a powerful, has good vision and burst. He has tackle breaking ability but also the ability to take it to the house. I think CJ is the more rounded back (better in pass pro, better hands) but as a pure runner I don't think it's very close at this point in their careers. The problem with Ivory has never been talent.

I disagree. As an eagles fan I have seen enough of mortinweg to know he will want the best psss catching back in there. Ivory will get short yardage, some goaline , and spell cj. But cjs ability to catch will keep him on the field the majority of the time. I also think hes the better runner too, but just my opinion. 60/ 40 split until ivory hurts himself then it goes up after that.

I guess we disagree on talent but agree on usage.

Finally tallied my projections today and CJ ended up being my RB15, was a little surprised by that considering I only have him going for 1050/6 and 320/1

How many carries, receptions?

I play non-PPR, but around 235 carries and 35-40 catches...In one league I do have odd rules where 10 carries in a game is 1pt (which I expect him to get every game he's healthy) and 3pts for 5 receptions in a game (which I gave him a 0 for).

I actually could see him get even more receptions from Geno than that if he checkdowns a lot. Ivory wont have a role in the passing game and Im not worried about Powell now that he has a real RB ahead of him.

Were close, I have him pegged at 224/941/6 and 40/280/1 which makes him the 22nd RB overall in my projections. Seems like decent value as he's mostly being drafted as a high-end 3. The thing is, Ivory is undeniably the more talented back and although he (Ivory) will suffer some type of injury eventually, CJ won't be a "steal" until it in fact does happen. Ivory re-injured his chronically injured hammy rather early last year (week 3 I believe), he missed one game, but by years end he still managed to touch the ball 184 times. If it were up to Rex, I believe that number would have easily exceeded 200 (they had no choice but to ease him back from Sep.-Oct.). If Ivory manages to touch the ball ~200 times again, it will cap CJ's touches and subsequent upside even if they're a run heavy team. I also wouldn't totally discount Powell. He may be JAG but he's great in pass pro., has good hands and NYJ loves him. He's without a doubt going to steal some third down work.

yeah, they love powell so much they've been streaming a parade of rb through there every year to replace him.

powell was actually splitting touches with ivory to open last year, and ivory put him on the bench, although due to the early season work and the multiple ivory injuries powell still managed ~200 carries right along with ivory for season ending numbers.

are you expecting all 3 rb to get ~200 carries, or are you expecting ivory to just bench johnson?

you would seriously want a 'jag' like powell catching balls instead of johnson, who you just signed?

the fact that powell was in there at all last year doing that just shows how little faith they have in ivory on that part of the game, and that's a big part of marty's offense.

edit: I notice ivory is 'undeniably' more talented, and powell is 'without a doubt' going to take johnson's lunch.

/thread I guess

Holy ####, you actually wrote more than a single, sarcastic, fallacy infused sentence this time? Meh, it still probably isn't worth reading.

 

[massraider]

I was an Ivory, guy, but really, if you are imagining injuries, probably more realistic to think about what CJ will do with no Chris Ivory than the other way around.

Geno has looked solid to me thus far, I expect a big jump in improvement, and with the addition of Decker and Amaro, feels like CJ could do pretty well.

Coming around on him.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Won't finish in the top 24 this year at RB. Avoid this fool.

 

[Timmay]

My only issue now is if the guys in my league are on to him. I could get him in the 6th if not because its a 2qb league. Just don't know if I should wait that long.

FWIW, I got CJ with the 7.05 pick in a start 2 QB league last Friday.

 

[DoubleG]

Won't finish in the top 24 this year at RB. Avoid this fool.

We might need to remember this later...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm saying if Ivory remains healthy (one of the biggest "ifs" in fantasy) he is going to steal enough 1st and 2nd down work to keep CJ at the 220-240 mark (~14-15 carries a game) by years end. I'm not saying he's the better running back, just that he's the more talented runner.

ok

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm saying if Ivory remains healthy (one of the biggest "ifs" in fantasy) he is going to steal enough 1st and 2nd down work to keep CJ at the 220-240 mark (~14-15 carries a game) by years end. I'm not saying he's the better running back, just that he's the more talented runner.

ok

Do you really not understand what that means or are you deliberately acting obtuse? I'll give you a hint in case it's the former. There's more to being a running back than actually running the ball.

 

[steveski]

Won't finish in the top 24 this year at RB. Avoid this fool.

Funny that my first thought after reading this was "Well that's a really crappy post." I just came from another thread and thought the same thing and what do you know.....it was posted by you as well!

I'm glad you're consistently bad because I wouldn't want to miss anything of value by having you on my block list.

 

[Insein]

I'm saying if Ivory remains healthy (one of the biggest "ifs" in fantasy) he is going to steal enough 1st and 2nd down work to keep CJ at the 220-240 mark (~14-15 carries a game) by years end. I'm not saying he's the better running back, just that he's the more talented runner.

ok

Do you really not understand what that means or are you deliberately acting obtuse? I'll give you a hint in case it's the former. There's more to being a running back than actually running the ball.

Why did we never get a facepalm emoticon?

 

[Insein]

Won't finish in the top 24 this year at RB. Avoid this fool.

As good a reason to take him as any. Do the opposite of this guy.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Won't finish in the top 24 this year at RB. Avoid this fool.

Funny that my first thought after reading this was "Well that's a really crappy post." I just came from another thread and thought the same thing and what do you know.....it was posted by you as well!

I'm glad you're consistently bad because I wouldn't want to miss anything of value by having you on my block list.

you know you could actually just put him on there without the henhouse routine

maybe shoot him a pm to stick that dagger in about not having your attention