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I dropped my kicker for him. I have a week to see where he lands and cut him or another player before picking my kicker off the scrap heap. Greg the leg (Rams), Novak (SD) and Janikowski will be there next week.

 
So, The Seattle brain trust doesn't trust C Michael this year to be the #2? but NEXT YEAR after F Jackson is done

he gets a shot. FOUR YEARS to "learn" his position? He's real talented but just doesn't understand all the aspects

of the pro game.

EBF, I like your take on players but you have to let this one go. Rawls is the "less talented" young guy that will see the field

if Lynch/Jackson get injured. Right now Rawls might not be any better then C Michael in pass pro but give him less then

a season to learn it and he is the #2. Trust is worth more to P Carroll then talent.

Duke Johnson is going to be more FF relevant then C Michael this year and next year and the year after. That might not

take much to do. Say in the neighborhood of 550/6 rush and rec combined.

 
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satch said:
Bruce Hammond said:
satch said:
I dropped Duke Johnson for him. I know some will scoff, but I see DJ's upside as a good 3rd down back and part of a committee on a bad offense, with Crow getting goal line work. Plus he's already been hurt twice. Just doesn't excite me.

If Christine Michael ends up in Dallas, in time I could see him being a fantasy RB1. Worth the low risk gamble. Can't win the lottery if you don't play.
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Wow, really poor decision I think. D Johnson has a solid future. C Michael, you're throwing a dart, blindfolded.
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You could be right, but I doubt it. I just don't see great fantasy upside with Duke. Probably end up being a good third down back, or part of a committee on a bad team. Even if Michael doesn't pan out, I doubt I'll ever regret letting Duke Johnson go.
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I agree that's a poor decision. Couldn't you have dropped your kicker? Duke Johnson at least seems to have some of the trust of the Cleveland brass. He seems to have a solid future. I think the ceiling for Michael is also as a committee back. Guessing Duke is going to be snapped up in your league.

I have a feeling that the Christine Michael next-great-thing hype will never go away until the guy is out of the league. But we're all guilty of it. Grab him for a week and see what happens, what's the harm?

 
nightmare said:
So, The Seattle brain trust doesn't trust C Michael this year to be the #2? but NEXT YEAR after F Jackson is done

he gets a shot. FOUR YEARS to "learn" his position? He's real talented but just doesn't understand all the aspects

of the pro game.

EBF, I like your take on players but you have to let this one go. Rawls is the "less talented" young guy that will see the field

if Lynch/Jackson get injured. Right now Rawls might not be any better then C Michael in pass pro but give him less then

a season to learn it and he is the #2. Trust is worth more to P Carroll then talent.

Duke Johnson is going to be more FF relevant then C Michael this year and next year and the year after. That might not

take much to do. Say in the neighborhood of 550/6 rush and rec combined.
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Rawls didn't play ahead of Michael in any of the preseason games that I'm aware of and Carroll seemed to dismiss the idea that he was pushing Michael within the last two weeks. I linked that quote higher up on this page if you want to see it. Anything can happen, but as of right now there's not much tangible evidence that Rawls is ahead of Michael on the depth chart. It's a speculative position that I think plays to the tendency that some people have to read every tea leaf as a negative for CM (like when they said Jackson meant his end on the team when it turned out to be Turbin who was cut).

There are some red flags with Michael for sure, but what it always comes back to for me is that every time he's out there and getting carries, he looks good and makes exciting plays. As long as that's the case, he will remain a very promising option. The unfortunate reality of his situation is that with Lynch on the team and dominating, the overwhelming majority of the meaningful carries are spoken for, leaving us with mostly circumstantial evidence with which to judge CM. There is some negativity there and some people emphasize it more than others.

I think Rawls looks pretty good for a #4 guy and that both he and Michael are worthy of being on somebody's 53 man roster. I feel that Michael offers more explosiveness. However, I watched a lot of the preseason this year and most teams don't have a #3/#4 as good as Rawls. I don't know what Seattle will do there, but like I said there's not much actual evidence that they prefer Rawls in a vacuum. Keep in mind that Michael's contract is also beginning to get short. If they can get a pick for him and keep Rawls, it may be the better long-term move.

As for Duke, I don't think he will ever make it as a starter in the NFL. He plays faster than he times, but he's smallish with bad timed speed, a weak base, and a history of getting nicked up. I never liked him at Miami. I honestly think that both Crowell and West might be better than him. I think he is kind of like an Ellington type in a best case scenario. I'd argue that a higher pick who has already looked very good against NFL defenses (Michael) is more valuable and more likely to become a starter. I don't think it's that close, but obviously people can interpret things differently.

 
D Johnson IS a poor man's Ellington. Once your on the team your draft position becomes

moot. He is not/won't be the starter.

No team is going to trade for C Michael. Pick him up on waivers, yes. invest a draft pick?

No chance. Lots of underwear olympic guys with upside come draft day versus the guy

that couldn't get on the field.

If Pete Carroll's staff couldn't get C Micheal motivated? educated? after 3 years what would

Cleveland, JAX, Buf, etc, do with him? In 2016 It would be a Veteran(unproven) contract versus

a rookie contract.

 
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D Johnson IS a poor man's Ellington. Once your on the team your draft position becomes

moot. He is not/won't be the starter.

No team is going to trade for C Michael. Pick him up on waivers, yes. invest a draft pick?

No chance. Lots of underwear olympic guys with upside come draft day versus the guy

that couldn't get on the field.

If Pete Carroll's staff couldn't get C Micheal motivated? educated? after 3 years what would

Cleveland, JAX, Buf, etc, do with him? In 2016 It would be a Veteran(unproven) contract versus

a rookie contract.
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Agree for the most part. But sometimes a fresh start is all that is needed. Look what happened with journeyman Justin Forsett last year. I'm not saying he's going to be a world beater, but what will holding Michael for a week cost you? Your replaceable kicker?

 
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I dropped Duke Johnson for him. I know some will scoff, but I see DJ's upside as a good 3rd down back and part of a committee on a bad offense, with Crow getting goal line work. Plus he's already been hurt twice. Just doesn't excite me.

If Christine Michael ends up in Dallas, in time I could see him being a fantasy RB1. Worth the low risk gamble. Can't win the lottery if you don't play.
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did the exact same thing.

I play for upside...not safety

 
nightmare said:
If Pete Carroll's staff couldn't get C Micheal motivated?
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We don't really know what his work ethic is like. I don't recall anything concrete about him being a bad teammate.

IMO Michael has shown to be more than a workout warrior. Again, he always looks good in the actual games.

 
Read that Cowboys were discussing Terrance West trade but Cleveland wanted too much. Wish we would hear they were talking with Seattle.....

 
So for those of us that made the add, where do we go from here? Seattle now has 4 RBs, are they still looking to trade Michael? If so, would that happen before the season starts? Wondering how long I need to hang onto him before dumping him back on the pile.

 
greyhorse said:
So for those of us that made the add, where do we go from here? Seattle now has 4 RBs, are they still looking to trade Michael? If so, would that happen before the season starts? Wondering how long I need to hang onto him before dumping him back on the pile.
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He is perennially either a hold or buy until the day this thread is put to rest permanently
 
I dropped him in a 12x20 league and he was immediately picked up. According to this league's 3 waiver moves, Stacy > Blue > Michael > Sims.

 
The Lynch owner approached me about a trade, we got it done but it wasn't for Michael.... He wanted Turbin from me (before the cut), and wanted nothing to do with Michael. His value is less than poop right now even to the Lynch owner.

 
@AdamSchefter: Dallas trading for former Seattle RB Christine Michael, per league source. Michael returns to Texas, where he starred at Texas A & M.

 
Zyphros said:
The Lynch owner approached me about a trade, we got it done but it wasn't for Michael.... He wanted Turbin from me (before the cut), and wanted nothing to do with Michael. His value is less than poop right now even to the Lynch owner.
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Like I said, I offered a second for him him to two different owners in two different leagues last week and was denied. These are also two of the strongest owners in those leagues, by my estimation. If you've been on this train from day one, there's not much sense in bailing now. Wait until he gets a shot with Seattle or changes teams.

 
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So for those of us that made the add, where do we go from here? Seattle now has 4 RBs, are they still looking to trade Michael? If so, would that happen before the season starts? Wondering how long I need to hang onto him before dumping him back on the pile.
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Probably until about 11:40am CST today.

 
What are realistic expectations in Dallas now? Surely Michael won't come in as the starter for week 1. If not, then he has to outshine Randle and McFadden in a reserve role and/or see one or both of them go down to injury to get a shot at starting. Right?

ETA: And with Romo's age and past back problems, it seems that he will have to be able to pass protect in order to stay on the field in passing situations. Can he do that?

 
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What are realistic expectations in Dallas now? Surely Michael won't come in as the starter for week 1. If not, then he has to outshine Randle and McFadden in a reserve role and/or see one or both of them go down to injury to get a shot at starting. Right?

ETA: And with Romo's age and past back problems, it seems that he will have to be able to pass protect in order to stay on the field in passing situations. Can he do that?
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The only thing that's certain now is that Dal is a mess for FF RBs. No telling how any of this plays out. I'd imagin that CM comes in at 3rd on the chart. It could be a moving puzzle all year, though.
 
David Helman ‏@HelmanDC 6m6 minutes ago Dallas, TX
Can’t imagine DAL cutting any of the 3 RBs. And I’d be kinda surprised if they cut Clutts. So Michael probably = bad news for someone else

 
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What are realistic expectations in Dallas now? Surely Michael won't come in as the starter for week 1. If not, then he has to outshine Randle and McFadden in a reserve role and/or see one or both of them go down to injury to get a shot at starting. Right?

ETA: And with Romo's age and past back problems, it seems that he will have to be able to pass protect in order to stay on the field in passing situations. Can he do that?
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He's got a legitimate opportunity to win work here behind a premium OL for a RB to run behind, that's a must add IMO. I don't know to be honest on a forecast, and I wouldn't forecast him to just walk in and be the Dallas RB1. Doesn't mean he and Randle don't share time, or if Randle doesn't impress immediately Michael gets his shot to win the starter role. An injury to Randle and you might win your season owning Michael if the hype is real behind this O-Line with volume. Basically a mess, but this is the cheaper quantity in the equation whose value is shooting up as I type, and I'm trying to add anywhere and everywhere based on the upside.

 
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