Christine Michael (4 Viewers)

[Interseptopus]

Do you think Michael gets a downgrade this week? Or are going to be looking at a "if Randle and McFadden can score imagine what Michael could someone! Go all in on 75% FAAB"????

Or does FBG quietly walk away whistling hoping no one notices?

A player getting an upgrade and subsequent downgrade and not playing a single snap

 

[Banger]

someone dropped him and just picked him up off waivers for Beasley

I would have dropped Jaron Brown... but to each his own.

Keep us posted.

The decisions that others make when picking up or dropping Michael are helpful (even if only a little bit) to those of us who are deciding on whether or not to make a move involving him.

Like I said.. I would have dropped Jaron Brown instead of Beasley.

Just here to help in this helpful thread.

Looks like I'll be dropping Michael.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Well, looks like we might need an injury here to see what he can do. Frustrating to own this guy. Just want to see him play.

sucks seeing Rawles have a day

 

[The General]

He's like a less good Thomas Rawls.

 

[Your Mother's Twin Sister]

Dal RBs are all looking good today. I guess a terrible Atl D will do that.

Except Michael of course, who was a healthy scratch.

Dumb of the Cowboys to have wasted a pick on this guy just because he's from Texas.

 

[EBF]

Well, looks like we might need an injury here to see what he can do. Frustrating to own this guy. Just want to see him play.

sucks seeing Rawles have a day

Well, not really for me. If Rawls turns out to be a good player then that makes Seattle's dumping of Michael a bit more understandable. It's better to be made expendable by a good player than by a terrible player.

Anyway, that's ancient history now. Looks like Michael owners will have to wait for an injury or hope that Randle/DMC will falter in the coming weeks. We haven't seen him now after three weeks and it's looking like the wait will be indefinite.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Dal RBs are all looking good today. I guess a terrible Atl D will do that.

Except Michael of course, who was a healthy scratch. Dumb of the Cowboys to have wasted a pick on this guy just because he's from Texas.

The Cowboys didn't necessarily waste a pick on him. They traded a "conditional" 7th round pick for him. The condition is that Michael would have to play 3 games for the Cowboys for Seattle to actually get the pick. Basically speaking--if Michael plays two games or less for Dallas--the Cowboys don't give up the pick. This might cap his upside a bit--as if the running game of Dallas looks solid without him in the mix--there is no real motivation for the Cowboys to get him in games. At this point--he's probably looking like more of an insurance policy against injury for the Cowboys more than anything else.

 

[cstu]

Dal RBs are all looking good today. I guess a terrible Atl D will do that.

Except Michael of course, who was a healthy scratch. Dumb of the Cowboys to have wasted a pick on this guy just because he's from Texas.

The Cowboys didn't necessarily waste a pick on him. They traded a "conditional" 7th round pick for him. The condition is that Michael would have to play 3 games for the Cowboys for Seattle to actually get the pick. Basically speaking--if Michael plays two games or less for Dallas--the Cowbodys don't give up the pick. This might cap his upside a bit--as if the running game of Dallas looks solid without him in the mix--there is no real motivation for the Cowboys to get him in games. At this point--he's probably looking like more of an insurance policy against injury for the Cowboys more than anything else.

Barring an injury he's unlikely to be active for three games.

 

[IndyHavoc]

So, what we clearly know for sure then is...

..Randle had amazing success at beer pong this week, thus stopped "tanking" and pouting. But don't worry guys, I heard from my sister's cousin's former roomate that .....

Carry on.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Bad news... I got word from inside sources that Randle will continue being the guy, until he isn't.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Great for Randle owners but let's try to keep it excellent...he could still get hurt which is what many in here were banking on.

 

[ourmanflint]

Everyone needs to stop getting butt hurt when their flyers don't pan out.

 

[Deepster]

Everyone needs to stop getting butt hurt when their flyers don't pan out.

It's so funny. The same thing is going on in the Freeman/Coleman thread. It's like if you own a guy, you have to vehemently defend why he's still "the guy" like it will matter in what he does heading forward.

 

[Milkman]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

Disagree here. If he can't force the issue and start getting serious carries by the end of the year, it's time to cut bait. He'll never see easier competition for carries in the NFL than he's facing currently. If he can't at least take over McFadden's role, he's just not any good.

 

[DLR]

He needs to learn the playbook. He's only been there 3 weeks. This will take time, if it happens at all.

 

[Chasers Dawg]

Randle and McFadden got 122 yds rushing. How much was in the 2nd half ?? Was it really a good game for them ? I didn't see the game

 

[georg013]

He needs to learn the playbook. He's only been there 3 weeks. This will take time, if it happens at all.

I know another RB who just needed to "learn the playbook". He was drafted by the Browns, traded to the Colts, released, then signed by the Raiders. He couldn't make an impression there (despite the hype) and is now a free agent. Can you guess who he is? Christine owners are like those owners, slow to reality. The writing has been on the wall since his Seattle days.

 

[GreenNGold]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

Disagree here. If he can't force the issue and start getting serious carries by the end of the year, it's time to cut bait. He'll never see easier competition for carries in the NFL than he's facing currently. If he can't at least take over McFadden's role, he's just not any good.

The thing is though, it is not Michael's role to earn, it is McFadden's to lose, so as long as Randle/McFadden keep playing well there is no reason to even give him a shot to earn the role.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

Disagree here. If he can't force the issue and start getting serious carries by the end of the year, it's time to cut bait. He'll never see easier competition for carries in the NFL than he's facing currently. If he can't at least take over McFadden's role, he's just not any good.

The thing is though, it is not Michael's role to earn, it is McFadden's to lose, so as long as Randle/McFadden keep playing well there is no reason to even give him a shot to earn the role.

22 - 82 (3.7) on the year with a long run of 10 yards is playing well now? I've watched the Cowboys some this year, and McFadden clearly hasn't been doing anything more than getting what's blocked.

 

[mbuehner]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

Disagree here. If he can't force the issue and start getting serious carries by the end of the year, it's time to cut bait. He'll never see easier competition for carries in the NFL than he's facing currently. If he can't at least take over McFadden's role, he's just not any good.

The thing is though, it is not Michael's role to earn, it is McFadden's to lose, so as long as Randle/McFadden keep playing well there is no reason to even give him a shot to earn the role.

True. But this all hinges on both Randle and McFadden staying healthy. Just they idea of McFadden staying healthy all season is kinda hard to believe.

 

[bagger]

Yep droppable now

75% FAAB Week 4, it's coming! Don't over-react to just one week of Dallas RB performance!

sure randle scored 3 Tds, but Michael would have scored 8.

 

[Detroit Revival]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

 

[Bojang0301]

Christine Michael: Silver linings playbook

 

[rct]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

Disagree here. If he can't force the issue and start getting serious carries by the end of the year, it's time to cut bait. He'll never see easier competition for carries in the NFL than he's facing currently. If he can't at least take over McFadden's role, he's just not any good.

The thing is though, it is not Michael's role to earn, it is McFadden's to lose, so as long as Randle/McFadden keep playing well there is no reason to even give him a shot to earn the role.

True. But this all hinges on both Randle and McFadden staying healthy. Just they idea of McFadden staying healthy all season is kinda hard to believe.

People said that going into last year too, but he played all 16 games.

 

[bagger]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

so you're saying that when you remove the top 20% of someone's runs he won't look as good.Notebook updated.

 

[jurb26]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

so you're saying that when you remove the top 20% of someone's runs he won't look as good.Notebook updated.

Let's take away every RBs top 3 runs this week as well and see what the results are. This falls under the "worst argument ever" territory.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

so you're saying that when you remove the top 20% of someone's runs he won't look as good.Notebook updated.

Let's take away every RBs top 3 runs this week as well and see what the results are.This falls under the "worst argument ever" territory.

quick, lets see the twitter feed on Cmikes carries - Blutarsky - 0.0

 

[timbrah_ho]

I own both Randle and CMike and was a bit relieved to see Randle beast at the outset of the game, even with him on my bench, because I could then feel free to drop CMike this week. I'm still having trouble pulling the trigger on that though. This was the first time I've seen Randle in full action and he just doesn't pass the eye test in my opinion. Looks stiff, not elusive, if a gaping hole is there he'll run right through it but otherwise he lacks that extreme shiftiness that other top RB have to offer.

I'm not saying that CM will see the field -- I think he should but I realize that esp with Jerry Jones the most logical results don't necessarily come to pass. It's just hard to dump CMike when the guy with the main job fails to impress even my extremely amateur analysis. Hell I WANT the guy to take the job and dominate this year and I can't bring myself to feel comfortable with him. I might keep holding unless there's an absolute surefire guy on the waivers that can provide immediate value.

 

[Milkman]

Owner of both Randle and CM. Still feel CM, if given the chance, would do better behind this line. With Randle and McFadden doing so well though it will be tough for CM to see the field obviously. What really sucks about this situation is it's hard to drop CM in dynasty. There is an opportunity for him to start next year. This will be 3-4 years of holding a player that doesn't play.

Disagree here. If he can't force the issue and start getting serious carries by the end of the year, it's time to cut bait. He'll never see easier competition for carries in the NFL than he's facing currently. If he can't at least take over McFadden's role, he's just not any good.

I don't know if i can drop him. Haha I'm not going to argue that it's optimal at this point but while watching Randle and McFadden yesterday all I could keep thinking was CM would do better.

Def expensive keeping him and he almost can't pay back what he's cost most dynasty owners at this point.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

so you're saying that when you remove the top 20% of someone's runs he won't look as good.Notebook updated.

Let's take away every RBs top 3 runs this week as well and see what the results are.This falls under the "worst argument ever" territory.

It's certainly far from the best argument, but watching the game yesterday, Randle's actual performance was nowhere near as good as the FF box score would indicate IMO. I'm still not convinced that Randle is anything more than ordinary -- of course, the bulk of the evidence on Michael thus far suggests that he's well below ordinary, but Randle doesn't look like a long term answer to me at all. YMMV.

 

[jurb26]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

so you're saying that when you remove the top 20% of someone's runs he won't look as good.Notebook updated.

Let's take away every RBs top 3 runs this week as well and see what the results are.This falls under the "worst argument ever" territory.

It's certainly far from the best argument, but watching the game yesterday, Randle's actual performance was nowhere near as good as the FF box score would indicate IMO. I'm still not convinced that Randle is anything more than ordinary -- of course, the bulk of the evidence on Michael thus far suggests that he's well below ordinary, but Randle doesn't look like a long term answer to me at all. YMMV.

Randle may or may not be the long term solution but it's worth putting some context to the numbers. Atl sold out to stop the run after Dal blew them up in the 1st half. They dared Weeden and Dal to actually throw to the WRs in the 2nd half by stacking the box and running down hil at the snap. Dal/Weeden just never took advantage of it.

I ought Randle looked pretty electric on a few of those runs. Atl just created penetration into the backfield a ton later in the game.

 

[cstu]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Two of those 1 yard runs were TD's...

Besides the long runs and TD's he had -1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Woah.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Two of those 1 yard runs were TD's...

Michael would have gained 8 yards from the 1 yard line before scoring though.

 

[coolnerd]

Randle and McFadden got 122 yds rushing. How much was in the 2nd half ?? Was it really a good game for them ? I didn't see the game

they were great in the first half, maybe not even two full quarters, but Dallas could not run the ball (or pass downfield) in the 2nd half. Randal had 85 in 3 carries and less than 90 for the game. He came off as a change of pace back who is decisive when there is space, but dances when he has think a bit or should just power ahead for 3/4 yards. mcFadden looked he always has to me. that's what I think happened yesterday, but i stopped trusting my eyeballs over what the dudes in charge of the NFL think.

 

[georg013]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Woah.

The lengths we will go through to save face. When the smoke clears, all I want is a guy I can plug into my lineup and get points with. He doesn't have to look like Adrian Peterson doing it or be assured the job for the next 10 years. RBs come and go in this league. I am trying to win now and Randle gives you a chance to do that so long as he is healthy. If it makes you feel all warm, fuzzy, and smart then hold Michael. Just stop acting like he is the heir apparent to greatness because up to this point Mr. Harmon, his carries look like this: bench, bench, gatorade, restroom, bench, bench, hot dog vendor, restroom, bench, bench, cheerleader, bench, bench, home.

 

[jurb26]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Woah.

The lengths we will go through to save face.

Yeah, nothing wreaks of desperation to save face more than the "lets take away plays XYZ" argument IMO.

 

[Milkman]

Agreed taking away most rb three best plays in a game makes them look bad at their job. It's a ridiculous argument.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I feel sorry for that tweet.

 

[Interseptopus]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Woah.

The lengths we will go through to save face.

Yeah, nothing wreaks of desperation to save face more than the "lets take away plays XYZ" argument IMO.

that has always been a laughable argument. Smh

 

[Interseptopus]

I completely expect a "holding steady" or "upgrade" for Michael in this weeks upgrades/downgrades. Absolutely a joke.

When your "sleeper" pick doesn't work out you really need to just save face and say, yeah I was wrong

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I completely expect a "holding steady" or "upgrade" for Michael in this weeks upgrades/downgrades. Absolutely a joke.

When your "sleeper" pick doesn't work out you really need to just save face and say, yeah I was wrong

I personally don't think Michael's value has changed at all since his arrival in Dallas. Not sure why anyone expected him to make a splash right out of the gate, but the fact that he's not active a month after being traded doesn't mean anything IMO. Michael has always created unrealistic expectations among a minority of owners, but looking at this objectively his value shouldn't go down because Joseph Randle had a solid day.

 

[jurb26]

I completely expect a "holding steady" or "upgrade" for Michael in this weeks upgrades/downgrades. Absolutely a joke.

When your "sleeper" pick doesn't work out you really need to just save face and say, yeah I was wrong

I personally don't think Michael's value has changed at all since his arrival in Dallas. Not sure why anyone expected him to make a splash right out of the gate, but the fact that he's not active a month after being traded doesn't mean anything IMO. Michael has always created unrealistic expectations among a minority of owners, but looking at this objectively his value shouldn't go down because Joseph Randle had a solid day.

People have been building into his "value" the concept that the incumbent Dal RBs suck. To you, because you had realistic expectations, the value hasn't changed. The problem is, a lot of people have not had realistic expectations. Like I've said for weeks, it will likely take an injury for CM to get activated or see the field. For me this really does nothing. To a whole host of CM owners, believer, backer, whatever... It's creating some panic.

 

[dagwood]

That's why they call it a flyer or a sleeper. Acquiring Michael cost very little. Sometimes these pan out and sometimes they do not. He is cutable if you have other bye week needs. If you do not, hang on to him. Although, it will probably take something dramatic for him to get significant playing time.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I completely expect a "holding steady" or "upgrade" for Michael in this weeks upgrades/downgrades. Absolutely a joke.

When your "sleeper" pick doesn't work out you really need to just save face and say, yeah I was wrong

I personally don't think Michael's value has changed at all since his arrival in Dallas. Not sure why anyone expected him to make a splash right out of the gate, but the fact that he's not active a month after being traded doesn't mean anything IMO. Michael has always created unrealistic expectations among a minority of owners, but looking at this objectively his value shouldn't go down because Joseph Randle had a solid day.

People have been building into his "value" the concept that the incumbent Dal RBs suck. To you, because you had realistic expectations, the value hasn't changed. The problem is, a lot of people have not had realistic expectations.Like I've said for weeks, it will likely take an injury for CM to get activated or see the field. For me this really does nothing. To a whole host of CM owners, believer, backer, whatever... It's creating some panic.

Agree for the most part, although I would add that IMO he is hopefully capable of at least taking McFadden's role (assuming McFadden stays healthy LOL) -- but not until after the Cowboys' bye at the earliest. I do think that McFadden is pretty bad / used up at this point.

 

[mrbigg]

You guys are too much. When I picked him up, his drop timetable has been first week of Nov for me. And cec recommended the last week of Halloween if I'm not mistaken. Nothing has changed. If you picked him up expecting an immediate impact to save your season, you got the wrong guy. Cm is really only affordable to the teams that have a winning record or isnt plaggued by the seond round busts teams. And that tweet that told you to remove his first 3 best runs really meant, his ypc after that are downright Terrible, not even pedestrian.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Woah.

The lengths we will go through to save face.

Yeah, nothing wreaks of desperation to save face more than the "lets take away plays XYZ" argument IMO.

What makes it even more embarrassing is, that as cstu pointed out, two of the "bad" 1 yard runs were 1 yard touchdowns.

 

[jurb26]

FBG own Matt Harmon had a great tweet on Randle's performance.

"@MattHarmon_BYB: Joseph Randle's yards gained on each of his 14 carries from yesterday:

28, 37, 20, 1, -1, 1, 4, 1, 0, 1, -1, -4, 2, -2"

After his three breakaway runs there was a significant dropoff in yards. This isn't what you want in your lead back. Cmike is still a hold.

Woah.

The lengths we will go through to save face.

Yeah, nothing wreaks of desperation to save face more than the "lets take away plays XYZ" argument IMO.

What makes it even more embarrassing is, that as cstu pointed out, two of the "bad" 1 yard runs were 1 yard touchdowns.

Yeah, I hadn't even noticed that until he did. Good catch by cstu.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I completely expect a "holding steady" or "upgrade" for Michael in this weeks upgrades/downgrades. Absolutely a joke.

When your "sleeper" pick doesn't work out you really need to just save face and say, yeah I was wrong

A big part of the problem, is you have guys "pimping" in here who had invested way more then a sleeper pick.