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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)

Paul Simon- Graceland (1986)

The Boy In the Bubble

Graceland

I Know What I Know

Gumboots

Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes

You Can Call Me Al

Under African Skies

Crazy Love, Vol. II

That Was Your Mother

All Around the World or The Myth of Fingerprints

In 1986, Paul Simon revived his career in a huge way by traveling to South Africa and recording with township artists during the last decade of Apartheid- a highly controversial move at the time, but also somewhat of a revolutionary album.  Simon wasn't the first white artist to attempt to expose westerners to African music- Johnny Clegg had made a career out of it, and performers as diverse as Joni Mitchell and Mickey Hart were well known for doing the same.

But Graceland is the most successful attempt to do so. And it's a wonderful album.  Every song is recorded with local musicians, with the exception of of "All Around the World", a collaboration with Los Lobos that was thrown in to complete the record (and which they weren't credited for, and were pissed off about for years afterward.) "Graceland", "I Know What I Know", "Call Me All", "The Boy In the Bubble", "Diamonds", and "Under African Skies" are as good as anything out of the late 80s. But despite that, I actually like Paul Simon's second African based album, The Rhythm of the Saints, produced a year later, even better. But that record didn't sell nearly as well and is far lesser known, so I can't include it here.

 
Paul Simon- Graceland (1986)

The Boy In the Bubble

Graceland

I Know What I Know

Gumboots

Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes

You Can Call Me Al

Under African Skies

Crazy Love, Vol. II

That Was Your Mother

All Around the World or The Myth of Fingerprints

In 1986, Paul Simon revived his career in a huge way by traveling to South Africa and recording with township artists during the last decade of Apartheid- a highly controversial move at the time, but also somewhat of a revolutionary album.  Simon wasn't the first white artist to attempt to expose westerners to African music- Johnny Clegg had made a career out of it, and performers as diverse as Joni Mitchell and Mickey Hart were well known for doing the same.

But Graceland is the most successful attempt to do so. And it's a wonderful album.  Every song is recorded with local musicians, with the exception of of "All Around the World", a collaboration with Los Lobos that was thrown in to complete the record (and which they weren't credited for, and were pissed off about for years afterward.) "Graceland", "I Know What I Know", "Call Me All", "The Boy In the Bubble", "Diamonds", and "Under African Skies" are as good as anything out of the late 80s. But despite that, I actually like Paul Simon's second African based album, The Rhythm of the Saints, produced a year later, even better. But that record didn't sell nearly as well and is far lesser known, so I can't include it here.
Good choice Tim.  The story of the feud with Los Lobos is hilarious and disheartening.  I love both acts so I don't want them to come across as jerks.  I am finally getting to see Los Lobos in November.  I saw Paul Simon on the Rhythm of the Saints Tour.

Graceland is brilliant, start to finish.

 
One of my favorites.

The video for 'You Can Call Me Al' with Chevy Chase is one of the best ever done.
Directed by Gary Weis- my grandfather was married to his mom. He was a real jerk but for years growing up I saw him every Thanksgiving. He was also a cokehead that used to score with John Belushi. 

 
Worst solo act concert I've ever seen last summer.  Totally mailed it in.  
A couple of years ago at Jazzfest I caught the start of his set - it was a disappointing snoozefest but thankfully awaiting across the fairgrounds was My Morning Jacket - who delivered one of the most awesome face melting sets I've seen there.

Oddly Los Lobos played there the same weekend - would have been cool to see them deliver a beatdown on the guy.

 
I always admire talents that can release solid efforts 25 years into their careers. Not as common of an occurrence as one may think.
This is really rare, and an astute point, mang. Had thought of it, but never realized how firmly ingrained the joke of "NO NEW STUFF" was because the new stuff just isn't on par with the old. But this is a quality album.  

 
Graceland was peak Paul Simon...while it happened 4-5 years after the album release, he did a free concert in Central Park in August 1991.  750k people...when Chevy Chase came out and re-enacted ‘You Can Call Me Al’...fun time!

 
Now this is a great album. Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes will forever remind me of my wife.
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My enduring visual memory of this album isn’t the You Can Call Me Al video (which is amazing) but when Paul Simon and Ladysmjth Black Mambazo performed Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes on Saturday Night Live.  Pure joy.

 
I'd rank Simon as the most talented songwriter of the rock era.  He's equally adept with lyrics, melodies, hooks and the ability to integrate other forms of music.  Graceland is an obvious case but he's appropriated elements from reggae, gospel, R&B, country and doowop while retaining his own voice.  He's been known to play compositional games as well.  "Still Crazy..." uses all notes from the twelve tone scale.

He's always showed great taste in selecting backing musicians.  The basslines on Graceland are magical.  His 70s records were recorded with a crack NY sessionmen; they sound impeccable but still have swing.  Art Garfunkel's angelic voice was a perfect compliment to Simon's when they were limited by Folk instrumentation.  He's also had the good sense to not perform with his wife.

 
Graceland was peak Paul Simon.
Perhaps, but I think he was at somewhat of a low point, at least in my recollection, when this record came out of nowhere.  Still Crazy ... was mid 70s, and the one lasting memory of that record was the somewhat gimmicky "50 ways to Leave your Lover."  Then he had the One Trick Pony movie/album project that was mostly crap (other than the one big pop single, Late in the Evening.) Hearts and Bones was early 80s, a dismal failure.  In my memory, he was completely irrelevant when Graceland came out - was seen as an aging hippy folk singer who was trying to make pop music and failing badly.  Then Graceland happened, and suddenly he was on top of the world again.  For me, it makes the comments from the Los Lobos guys even more interesting. 

 
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My enduring visual memory of this album isn’t the You Can Call Me Al video (which is amazing) but when Paul Simon and Ladysmjth Black Mambazo performed Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes on Saturday Night Live.  Pure joy.
Graceland must have been a whirlwind for Ladysmith Black Mambazo.  They'd performed a bit in Europe before recording with Simon but their travel was still limited under Apartheid.  Suddenly they became international stars with concerts, TV appearances, records and awards.  This coincided  more or less with the weakening and end of Apartheid.

 
Perhaps, but I think he was at somewhat of a low point, at least in my recollection, when this record came out of nowhere.  Still Crazy ... was mid 70s, and the one lasting memory of that record was the somewhat gimmicky "50 ways to Leave your Lover."  Then he had the One Trick Pony movie/album project that was mostly crap (other than the one big pop single, Late in the Evening.) Hearts and Bones was early 80s, a dismal failure.  In my memory, he was completely irrelevant when Graceland came out - was seen as an aging hippy folk singer who was trying to make pop music and failing badly.  Then Graceland happened, and suddenly he was on top of the world again.  For me, it makes the comments from the Los Lobos guys even more interesting. 
I could have told him he wasn't a movie star and saved both of us the trouble of One Trick Pony.

 
 His 70s records were recorded with a crack NY sessionmen; they sound impeccable but still have swing.  
It’s fascinated me that Late In The Evening sounds like a hundred musicians are playing on it but everyone is on the same page.  

I’ve never thought of Paul Simon as one of my favorite musicians, but I bet auditing his catalog would surprise me by how many I check mark as great songs.  Had a similar thing happen with Tom Petty’s catalog after he passed.

 
Perhaps, but I think he was at somewhat of a low point, at least in my recollection, when this record came out of nowhere.  Still Crazy ... was mid 70s, and the one lasting memory of that record was the somewhat gimmicky "50 ways to Leave your Lover."  Then he had the One Trick Pony movie/album project that was mostly crap (other than the one big pop single, Late in the Evening.) Hearts and Bones was early 80s, a dismal failure.  In my memory, he was completely irrelevant when Graceland came out - was seen as an aging hippy folk singer who was trying to make pop music and failing badly.  Then Graceland happened, and suddenly he was on top of the world again.  For me, it makes the comments from the Los Lobos guys even more interesting. 
The ‘You Can Call Me Al’ video really helped.  MTV was on fire and to have him mucking it up with Chevy Chase who wasn’t too far removed from his Fletch/Griswald prime...I think he was able to find a medium that brought a mass audience back listening to a more genuine effort.

 
I'd rank Simon as the most talented songwriter of the rock era.  He's equally adept with lyrics, melodies, hooks and the ability to integrate other forms of music.  Graceland is an obvious case but he's appropriated elements from reggae, gospel, R&B, country and doowop while retaining his own voice.  He's been known to play compositional games as well.  "Still Crazy..." uses all notes from the twelve tone scale.

He's always showed great taste in selecting backing musicians.  The basslines on Graceland are magical.  His 70s records were recorded with a crack NY sessionmen; they sound impeccable but still have swing.  Art Garfunkel's angelic voice was a perfect compliment to Simon's when they were limited by Folk instrumentation.  He's also had the good sense to not perform with his wife.
I've really always wondered how many of his melodies, hooks & musical adventures were solely his but, if they aren't, that's as much to his credit as anything one could say about him. The desire and curiosity were always there (except for that brief self-congratulatory period around OneTrickPony time which has already been eloquently addressed) to mine from songhood the thing that had yet been done. He has trusted, urged & directed some wonderful and diverse musicians into genre & rhythm mixes, then brought it all back home to us with his lyric schemes and pop sensibilities. Outstanding & timeless.

 
Graceland was peak Paul Simon...while it happened 4-5 years after the album release, he did a free concert in Central Park in August 1991.  750k people...when Chevy Chase came out and re-enacted ‘You Can Call Me Al’...fun time!
I was there. I couldn’t see anything at all because we were so far over to the side but the sound was fantastic and it was a great scene. 

 
I was there. I couldn’t see anything at all because we were so far over to the side but the sound was fantastic and it was a great scene. 
Thats a live album (Paul Simon’s Concert in the Park), not to be confused with the earlier Simon and Garfunkel Concert in Central Park from 1980, which is also great) and it’s spectacular. Besides offering a “best of” from both Graceland and Rhym of the Saints (including, IMO, better versions of “I Know What I Know” and “The Coast”, he also revises some of his older hits, giving them the “Graceland” Treatment- notably “Cecila.”

 
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Thats a live album (Paul Simon’s Concert in the Park), not to be confused with the earlier Simon and Garfunkel Concert in Central Park from 1980, which is also great) and it’s spectacular. Besides offering a “best of” from both Graceland and Rhym of the Saints (including, IMO, better versions of “I Know What I Know” and “The Coast”, he also revises some of his older hits, giving them the “Graceland” Treatment- notably “Cecila.”
I wish my parents were New Yorkers so I could have seen this. Sometimes I don't appreciate the singer/songwriter aspects of the era as much as you all do, but Simon and Garfunkel are just flat out my favorite Village/folk beatniks, and it's not even close.  

 
Love both those Paul Simon albums, but I’m pretty sure Rhythm of the Saints is South American based, not African.

Would gladly listen to either end-to-end, but The Obvious Child gets a repeat, or two, whenever I’m driving alone and it comes up on shuffle on my phone.

 
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Thats a live album (Paul Simon’s Concert in the Park), not to be confused with the earlier Simon and Garfunkel Concert in Central Park from 1980, which is also great) and it’s spectacular. Besides offering a “best of” from both Graceland and Rhym of the Saints (including, IMO, better versions of “I Know What I Know” and “The Coast”, he also revises some of his older hits, giving them the “Graceland” Treatment- notably “Cecila.”
The version of the Coast is gorgeous.

 
Love both those Paul Simon albums, but I’m pretty sure Rhythm of the Saints is South American based, not African.

Would gladly listen to either end-to-end, but The Obvious Child gets a repeat, or two, whenever I’m driving alone and it comes up on shuffle on my phone.
Recorded in Brazil, but with African musicians (mostly.) 

 
He's also had the good sense to not perform with his wife.
It was around this time in 1988 that she had about six solid weeks of musical ubiquity. Hourly rotation on MTV, articles in Rolling Stone, comparisons to Joni Mitchell, appearance on SNL (where she met Paul).

And then poof, she evaporated into the ether. 

 
I was there. I couldn’t see anything at all because we were so far over to the side but the sound was fantastic and it was a great scene. 
My brother and I got there earlier in the day...so we actually were fairly far up and could see the stage.  We could point to our location on the album cover.

 
Great Album that remains me of my childhood as it seemed to be constantly playing at family functions. 

Also going to see him in Queens on Saturday which I am super excited about. I have been on a kick of seeing bands/artist who may be done touring and this is next on my list. Already seen Clapton, The Who and Paul McCartney on their last go arounds. Shows are expensive but unfortunately if you don’t go know you may miss the opportunity to ever see them. 

 
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My brother and I got there earlier in the day...so we actually were fairly far up and could see the stage.  We could point to our location on the album cover.
Ideally I would have loved to see the stage - but there was something pretty cool about basically sitting among the trees listening to live music and just people watching. It was tremendous event and pretty crazy that 3/4 of a million people were in Central Park that day. 

 
Great Album that remains me of my childhood as it seems to be constantly playing at family functions. 

Also going to see him in Queens on Saturday which I am super excited about. I have been on a kick of seeing bands/artist who may be done touring and this is next on my list. Already seen Clapton, The Who and Paul McCartney on their last go arounds. Shows are expensive but unfortunately if you don’t go know you may miss the opportunity to ever see them. 
I saw Paul Simon, as stated above in Central Park and also when he toured with Bob Dylan a number of years back at MSG. I am a bigger Dylan fan but Paul Simon and his band were far superior that night. They did a few duets together with Simon's band (they went on second that night) which was pretty cool as well.

 
I was there. I couldn’t see anything at all because we were so far over to the side but the sound was fantastic and it was a great scene. 
I was at that Central Park concert, too - I thought you looked familiar.

As for Graceland, I'll echo it being a terrific album. It was also a welcome sound in a year (1986) that, by and large, appeared to heading in a poor direction musically.

 
Neil Diamond- Hot August Night (1972)

Prologue/Crunchy Granola Suite

Done Too Soon

Solitary Man

Cherry Cherry

Porcupine Pie

Sweet Caroline

You’re So Sweet

Red Red Wine

Shilo 

Girl You’ll Be A Woman Soon

Kentucky Woman

Stones

Play Me

Morningside

Song Sung Blue

Cracklin’ Rosie

Holly Holly

I Am...I Said

Soolaimon

Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show

Neil Diamond’s live concert at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles is the quintessential Neil Diamond album- filled with his greatest hits, his goofy yet loveable pretentiousness, and somehow in some undefinable way, his magic with an audience that very few performers ever obtain. 

This album was a staple for me as a kid, in my household and on long trips. We sang along to every tune, and I later discovered that a lot of people did (even to this day, the commercial featuring “Sweet Caroline” demonstrates how popular some of his songs remain.) Cheesy? Of course. But I say awesome as well. 
Hippling here to catch up......

My mom had this cassette and played the hell out of it, until my brother and I (he: 8 y.o. & me 10 y.o) broke it by playing the double-secret-uber-hell out of it.

Someone above mentioned it, but Neil knew how to craft songs - dude could write quality hits in his sleep. But this album is what really shot him into the stratosphere with what became his most loyal audience. He was sexy, but safe, for millions of Middle American housewives. 

 
George Harrison- All Things Must Pass (1970)

I’d Have You Anytime

My Sweet Lord

Wah-Wah

Isn’t It a Pity

What Is Life

If Not For You

Behind That Locked Door

Let It Down

Run of the Mill

I Live For You

Beware of Darkness

Apple Scruffs

Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)

Awaiting On You All

All Things Must Pass

I Dig Love

Isn’t It a Pity (Version Two)

Hear Me Lord

It’s Johnny’s Birthday

Plug Me In

I Remember Jeep

Thanks for the Pepperoni

Out of the Blue

This triple sided album is probably the best work of all the solo Beatles. It might go down as one of the greatest rock albums ever if not for the last sides which are instrumental- don’t get me wrong, I like them, and the artists involved (Clapton, Bonnie and Delaney, and basically the entire crew of Derek & The Dominoes) were all legendary, but over all it weakens the album, otherwise filled with classic songs. Still a masterpiece. 
Didn't like half these songs get rejected by Paul and/or John from Beatles' albums?

There's some great stuff here - "What Is Life" is my favorite - but I think George would have done better to sit on some of these and spread them out over the next couple of records.

That said, part of this album's rep is that George had the balls to put out a triple about from the Go Square. 

 
Foreigner- Records (1982)

Cold As Ice

Double Vision

Head Games

Waiting For a Girl Like You

Feels Like the First Time

Urgent

Dirty White Boy

Juke Box Hero

Long, Long Way From Home

Hot Blooded

Foreigner was always more of a hits band than an album band, so this collection is for me better than any of their original records. I think they’re an underrated group of performers; always thought so. Smooth, professional, and very good rock and roll. 
Foreigner did exactly what they set out to do (& 99% of other musicians aspire to): sell a bazillion records and get laid. They made it.

None of the songs will make rock and roll canon, but these guys were pros. They were like Toto, but with more hits.

 
Paul Simon- Graceland (1986)

The Boy In the Bubble

Graceland

I Know What I Know

Gumboots

Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes

You Can Call Me Al

Under African Skies

Crazy Love, Vol. II

That Was Your Mother

All Around the World or The Myth of Fingerprints

In 1986, Paul Simon revived his career in a huge way by traveling to South Africa and recording with township artists during the last decade of Apartheid- a highly controversial move at the time, but also somewhat of a revolutionary album.  Simon wasn't the first white artist to attempt to expose westerners to African music- Johnny Clegg had made a career out of it, and performers as diverse as Joni Mitchell and Mickey Hart were well known for doing the same.

But Graceland is the most successful attempt to do so. And it's a wonderful album.  Every song is recorded with local musicians, with the exception of of "All Around the World", a collaboration with Los Lobos that was thrown in to complete the record (and which they weren't credited for, and were pissed off about for years afterward.) "Graceland", "I Know What I Know", "Call Me All", "The Boy In the Bubble", "Diamonds", and "Under African Skies" are as good as anything out of the late 80s. But despite that, I actually like Paul Simon's second African based album, The Rhythm of the Saints, produced a year later, even better. But that record didn't sell nearly as well and is far lesser known, so I can't include it here.
The controversy wasn't just Los Lobos. I think @wikkidpissah kinda alluded to it above, but there was - and still are - a lot of accusations thrown at Simon for going to South Africa and ripping off the locals for these songs and giving no credit. There was a profile recently (maybe CBS Sunday Morning?) where it was referenced again.

In any case, this is a fine batch of songs and - as @zamboni said earlier - a kind of breath of fresh air when this album was released.

Paul Simon is an #######, though. So is Artie. 

 
Foreigner did exactly what they set out to do (& 99% of other musicians aspire to): sell a bazillion records and get laid. They made it.

None of the songs will make rock and roll canon, but these guys were pros. They were like Toto, but with more hits.
Although totally different music, very similar career to Bob Seger, another artist I thought of when this thread was started.  No one would ever accuse them of being musical geniuses, very formulaic, professional, by the book rock 'n roll.  Sold a bazillion records, wrote a dozen or more songs every adult knows by heart, absolute dream of a career.

 
Paul Simon is an #######, though.
ya - pretty legendary one. we all are. there's just the actives & the passives & the confused & the victims & the carriers, etc. my whole life, i've prevented them from being that way in my presence and tried murderously hard to only be one in order to stop others from being one. that's why my ####### kingdom has smaller borders than others, tho it's big enough for me.

but genius is the only thing that asks the questions by which we can possibly grow past #######dom and i like Paul Simon because he asked his own genius and that of his players to ask big questions longer & harder & better than almost anyone else in his field. still guessing ida punched him quick, but whatchagonnado?!

 
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i like Paul Simon because he asked his own genius and that of his players to ask big questions longer & harder & better than almost anyone else in his field. 
But that's in the ear of the beholder, right? If it speaks to you, fantastic.  And I wonder if his players cared any farther than their next paycheck.

I dunno - clever, pretentious, 11th-grade-"poetic" lyrics never did much for me (I mean, seriously - "you read your Emily Dickenson & I my Robert Frost"? :X ).

But that was long before this record being discussed. I like it because it sounds good and Paul, when he wasn't being lazy as hell, could make records sound really good.

 
A lot of great talents were lazy in their own way. Because they could get away with it.

Most ham and eggers have to try harder. Because they have to.

 
The Kinks- My Playlist (1964-1984)

OK, I’m going to do something very different with The Kinks. They’re one of my favorite bands ever, spanning about 20 years of great music, but in all that time they don’t have a great or classic album. Arthur, Lola vs Powerman and the later Give the People What They Want are probably the best, but none of them are great; they all have a lot of mediocre filler. 

There are also no great compilation albums- Kink Khronicles, now out of print, was the best but it only covered 1967-1971. Come Dancing With the Kinks is excellent but it’s post 1977. 

So, in this one case, I have made my own playlist, attempting to list their greatest songs from the entire span. I have ONLY included what I regard as the classics here; I have several personal favorites that I did not include. Here goes: 

You Really Got Me

All Day and All of the Night

Tired of Waiting For You

A Well Respected Man

Dedicated Follower of Fashion

Stop Your Sobbing

Days

Sunny Afternoon

Waterloo Sunset

The Village Green Preservation Society

Victoria

Shangri-La

Lola

Apeman

Get Back In Line 

Gods Children

Muswell Hillbilly

Oklahoma USA

Where Are They Now? 

Celluloid Heroes

Sitting In My Hotel

Sleepwalker

Juke Box Music

Father Christmas

Misfits

A Rock N Roll Fantasy

Life Goes On

Better Things 

Destroyer

Around the Dial

Long Distance

Heart of Gold

Come Dancing

Don’t Forget to Dance

Living on a Thin Line

So many great songs here. Such a great band. 

 
Here are some favorite Kinks songs that I did not include: 

Sittin On My Sofa

Mr. Pleasant

The Way Love Used to Be

Hot Potatoes

Add It Up

Autumn Almanac

David Watts

Art Lover

Predictable

Johnny Thunder

On the Outside

 Schooldays

The Hard Way

Top of the Pops

This Time Tomorrow 

Powerman

State of Confusion

Young Conservatives

 

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