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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (3 Viewers)

this is as close as anyone has come to the depth & cool of those exposed-but-contained Riddle sessions in the 60+ yrs since and Francis Albert is cited in the lyric

 
Sinatra has a unique, one of a kind voice.

But it works great on some songs - My Way, New York New York

But is awful on others - Luck Be A Lady, Love and Marriage

 
The Sex Pistols- Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols (1977)

Holidays In the Sun

Liar

No Feelings

God Save the Queen

Problems

Seventeen

Anarchy In the UK

Bodies

Pretty Vacant

New York

E.M.I.

So how do we feel about Sid, Johnny, and the boys 41 years later? Does the opening lines of Anarchy In the UK (riiiiiight...now!!!!) still have urgency? Is Pretty Vacant still a great punk song, or just old and dated? Do people still shout "E! M! I!" like they used to? Is this album a classic, or from a time nobody remembers?

One interesting thing: remember how I wrote earlier that as the years went by, Appetite For Destruction kept rising on greatest album lists? The Sex Pistols have gone in the opposite direction. In the 80s, within a decade after it was made, this record consistently made top 10 lists. One magazine ranked it as high as #2 all time. The latest ranking by Rolling Stone is #276. Seems that it's somewhat forgotten.

 
John Lydon is one of rock n roll's great vocalists but the first few PiL albums are his masterpieces, not Never Mind the Bollocks.

The Sex Pistols are important for their image and legend more than their music.  But the record still holds up much better than the other albums from the Class of 77.  Somebody at EMI was smart to hire a real producer (Chris Thomas) to work the dials.  Thomas was somehow able to coax and prod the boys into a sound that was more powerful than either their live performances or the records released by their punk peers.

 
The Sex Pistols- Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols (1977)

I love this album and still play it plenty, have to be in the mood - when I was younger, I was always in the mood.  

IMO this is THE punk album of all time.  100 years from now, if someone were to ask what was punk music ...this album has to be played.  

There is plenty of good punk, but this is the definitive punk album.  

 
Classic album. One of the finest anthemic punk albums there is. I'll never forget a reviewer saying that it was replete with heavy metal riffs. So true. But beautiful. One of my favorites of all time. E.M.I holds up really well, even today. One of the first albums I added to my permanent collection so that I would always have a copy. Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Paul Cook, and Johnny Rotten created a debut masterpiece rivaled by few. 

 
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timschochet said:
In the 80s, within a decade after it was made, this record consistently made top 10 lists. One magazine ranked it as high as #2 all time. The latest ranking by Rolling Stone is #276. Seems that it's somewhat forgotten.
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My feeling about Bollocks is similar - listened to it constantly when I was younger, still love the bad (and PiL), but haven't cared to put it on for probably 20 years now.

 
I'm sure that I've listened to every song on that album several times but now 30 years later can only think of one song... God save the queen

"noooo future... nooo future..."

 
rockaction said:
Classic album. One of the finest anthemic punk albums there is. I'll never forget a reviewer saying that it was replete with heavy metal riffs. So true. But beautiful. One of my favorites of all time. E.M.I holds up really well, even today. One of the first albums I added to my permanent collection so that I would always have a copy. Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Paul Cook, and Johnny Rotten created a debut masterpiece rivaled by few. 
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Good point on the metal riffs. Poison nicked God save the queen for talk dirty to me.

 
I have an aunt who's six years older than me. In the mid-70s, she went to Europe to some cooking/chef school (in Oslo, I think). Anyway, she spent a bunch of her down time in London with friends. She came home for a holiday - either Thanksgiving or Christmas, as best I can recall - and brought stuff back with her from Europe.

One of the items was a 45 rpm. I'm pretty sure is was "Anarchy In The UK", but I know it was a Sex Pistols' record, because the older ladies in my family had a group heart attack at the band's name. Then my aunt played the record. I was 14 or 15 and had never heard anything like that.

Oh, it wasn't a musical epiphany for me or anything like one - I freaking hated it.

I'm still not a fan but, 40 years down the line, it sounds like the Beach Boys on heroin if they DIDN'T want to sing Ronettes' songs (the band who did would be The Ramones).

I listen to Little Steven's Underground Garage on Sirius/XM every once in a while, and one of the Pistols' records will come on. Later bands make this stuff sound like Doo ***. But all the hip rock critics piled all over it to catch the NEXT BIG THING back then (most 70s music either leaned into that or ran away from it). Looking back, it was just another link in a chain that was over 20 years old at that point.

 
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It’s certainly not every rock fan’s cup of tea.
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I am a fan of good music.  

And I am not surprised to see this crap bring the thread down to a crawl - less than 10 posts today.  Punk and #### like the Sex Pistols just isn't as popular or relevant as brain dead music critics would have us believe. 

 
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I am a fan of good music.  

And I am not surprised to see this crap bring the thread down to a crawl - less than 10 posts today.  Punk and #### like the Sex Pistols just isn't as popular or relevant as brain dead music critics would have us believe. 
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It's an awesome album. Sorry you don't like it or get it. It absolutely shreds. I'm no brain dead music critic, either, just a fan of it.  

 
rockaction said:
It's an awesome album. Sorry you don't like it or get it. It absolutely shreds. I'm no brain dead music critic, either, just a fan of it.  
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If you like it, more power to ya. 

Doesn't change the fact that music critics have totally overrated and overstated the impact of punk as a whole. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
If you like it, more power to ya. 

Doesn't change the fact that music critics have totally overrated and overstated the impact of punk as a whole. 
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Music critics haven't overstated the impact of punk as a whole. You can't escape the Ramones these days. They're everywhere from sports arenas to commercials for Subway. If anything, you're underestimating how far ahead of its time punk was, and how influential it was. 

The Velvet Underground spawned a thousand bands. Lynyrd Skynyrd and its ilk influenced nothing. The critics are right in this case. Punk rules.   

 
rockaction said:
Music critics haven't overstated the impact of punk as a whole. You can't escape the Ramones these days. They're everywhere from sports arenas to commercials for Subway. If anything, you're underestimating how far ahead of its time punk was, and how influential it was. 

The Velvet Underground spawned a thousand bands. Lynyrd Skynyrd and its ilk influenced nothing. The critics are right in this case. Punk rules.   
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Agree to disagree. 

Mr. Roboto is also in commercials and popping up in a lot of places.  Does that mean Styx is a band we cannot escape? 

I am not saying popularity means everything, but it means a little.  The average person on the street knows Free Bird and Sweet Home Alabama.  Not sure they would know anything by the Sex Pistols. 

 
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Agree to disagree. 

Mr. Roboto is also in commercials and popping up in a lot of places.  Does that mean Styx is a band we cannot escape? 

I am not saying popularity means everything, but it means a little.  The average person on the street knows Free Bird and Sweet Home Alabama.  Not sure they would know anything by the Sex Pistols. 
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Take a look at the current pop charts. That is what the average person in the street knows. Good luck with that as a basis of what good music is.

 
Love Bollocks. Jonsey & Cookie had chops for a couple of punks.  

#FUNFACT- Guitarist Steve Jones also played bass on most of Bollocks

 
rockaction said:
Classic album. One of the finest anthemic punk albums there is. I'll never forget a reviewer saying that it was replete with heavy metal riffs. So true. But beautiful. One of my favorites of all time. E.M.I holds up really well, even today. One of the first albums I added to my permanent collection so that I would always have a copy. Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Paul Cook, and Johnny Rotten created a debut masterpiece rivaled by few. 
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Definitely a classic album.   I was never a huge fan of punk but a few punk albums couldn't be ignored.  They were just good and this is one of those albums.  Most metal heads liked the sex pistols at least a little.   And others loved it because you could hear the influence that punk made on many of the metal bands from the 80s.   

 
DocHolliday said:
Definitely a classic album.   I was never a huge fan of punk but a few punk albums couldn't be ignored.  They were just good and this is one of those albums.  Most metal heads liked the sex pistols at least a little.   And others loved it because you could hear the influence that punk made on many of the metal bands from the 80s.   
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Not sure about the pistols, but I know motorhead were big ramones fans and vice versa.

 
I don’t usually get involved in this but as a person who was quite punk for some time, could someone fix the thread title please? “Bollocks.” 

 
Elton John- Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1973)

Funeral for a Friend/Loves Lies Bleeding

Candle In the Wind

Bennie and the Jets

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

This Song Has No Title

Grey Seal

Jamaica Jerk-Off

I’ve Seen That Movie

Sweet Painted Lady

The Ballad Of Danny Bailey

Dirty Little Girl

All the Girls Love Alice

 Your Sister Can’t Twist

Saturday Night’s Alright for Fighting

Roy Rogers

Social Disease

Harmony

Elton John, IMO, had two great albums, and 2-3 very very good ones, all during the early part of his career. This is one of the two great ones (we’ll get to the other one with it’s more western themes later on.) Its loaded with classics, from “Love Lies Bleeding” to “Bennie”, “Candle”, “Grey Seal”, the title song, “Harmony”, “Saturday Night” etc etc. Actually my favorite song might be “This Song Has No Title”- except for “Bennie and the Jets”, which I can listen to a thousand times and never get tired of. 

 
And Henry Ford, Uncle CornCob, and others: I apologize about Bollocks. I didn’t have any time for this thread today or I would have fixed it much earlier. No excuses. It’s fixed now in the OP. 

 
Elton John has always been a guy I like, but don't love.  I rarely go out of my way to listen to him outside of a handful of songs, but GYBR is definitely a very good record.  Funeral for a Friend into Loves Lies Bleeding is the best thing he ever did, IMO. 

 
I've come to appreciate Elton as the Gliberace of Rock and had the great fortune to be backstage at Boston Garden for his YellowBrickRoad show (especially great because, in the encore, Stevie Wonder made his first public appearance after a car accident - not driving, btw - that almost killed him) but this album really was a Funeral for a Friend, the Elton John i'd come to love as a great songwriter and, with his semi-orchestral work on Madmen, almost a progster in the vein of Procol Harum & Moody Blues. My love lay bleeding in the glitz for many, many years after this, though.

 
First show was at Dodger Stadium.  Last show was last October at Caesars Palace.  and several in between.  Always a good show, but those were the two best. Love the early albums . Don't care for much of the later stuff.

 
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