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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (3 Viewers)

I think Revolver is a great album. Personally, I favor Rubber Soul more if comparing the two, but that is not a knock on Revolver.  "Eleanor Rigby" might be my favorite track on the album.  I have always loved the lyrics "waits at the window, wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door, who is it for?"  I dig the song  "I'm Only Sleeping" a lot too, so it is right up there with Eleanor.
Someone finally mentioned this track, and not surprised it’s you. :)   I’m a big fan of the psychedelic shift with this and “Tomorrow Never Knows”. Hard for me to rank Revolver versus Rubber Soul, the White Album and Abbey Road, but they’re all there in the upper pantheon of Beatles albums.

 
Revolver is my favorite oh wait I think it's Sgt Peppers no definitely Rubber Soul.  On second thought Magical Mystery Tour no wait Yellow Submarine has to be it or maybe the White Album I'm so confused.

 
Ilov80s said:
Just thinking about it now after reading your post, The Beatles were not good at naming things. 
Just as an example, Revolver should have been named Random Shots. 

 
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The Beatles- Revolver (1966)

Taxman

Eleanor Rigby

I’m Only Sleeping

Love You To

Here, There and Everywhere

Yellow Submarine

She Said She Said

Good Day Sunshine

And Your Bird Can Sing

For No One 

Doctor Robert

I Want to Tell You

Got to Get You Into My Life

Tomorrow Never Knows

Many, many people consider this to be the greatest Beatles album and I certainly wouldn’t want to argue against it. There is no filler here, no weak songs, every song is a classic. My personal favorites, in no particular order, are “Here, There and Everywhere” (one of the prettiest melodies I have ever heard in pop music), “She Said She Said” (love that guitar sound), “And Your Bird can Sing” (great harmonies), and “For No One” (though when I was in my early 20s the lyrics of this song totally freaked me out after a girl I thought was the one broke up with me.) 
Big fan.  Phenomenal album.   Taxman is an underappreciated political statement on bloated, bureaucratic overreach.   And Your Bird Can Sing does have a great sound, but the lyrics are what blew me away.....he packages an emotionally charged message in a peppy song.

 
Toto- Toto IV (1982)

Rosanna

Make Believe

I Won’t Hold You Back

Good for You

Its a Feeling

Afraid of Love

Lovers in the Night

We Made It

Waiting for Your Love

Africa

A “Yacht Rock” masterpiece. Like Steeley Dan’s Aja, these guys were known for their incredible production values, concentrating on every note, using top-notch session musicians and producers. The result is a relaxed sound that makes Michael MacDonald, Kenny Loggins, and Christopher Cross green with admiration and envy. 

 
Toto- Toto IV (1982)

Rosanna

Make Believe

I Won’t Hold You Back

Good for You

Its a Feeling

Afraid of Love

Lovers in the Night

We Made It

Waiting for Your Love

Africa

A “Yacht Rock” masterpiece. Like Steeley Dan’s Aja, these guys were known for their incredible production values, concentrating on every note, using top-notch session musicians and producers. The result is a relaxed sound that makes Michael MacDonald, Kenny Loggins, and Christopher Cross green with admiration and envy. 
Africa is such a beautiful song and I love the sound of this whole album.  I don't listen to this one much but it is fun to break it out once in a while to enjoy the lovely sound of Toto and reminisce about 1982. 

 
There was a recent movement to get Weezer, through social media pressure, to cover Africa by Toto.  

They did it, note for note basically. 

It was an odd pop culture occurrence. 

The video stars Weird Al Yankovic and references their Undone (The Sweater Song). 

Holy crap.  

 
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A “Yacht Rock” masterpiece. Like Steeley Dan’s Aja, these guys were known for their incredible production values, concentrating on every note, using top-notch session musicians and producers.
Yeah ... themselves :)  

But yeah, Tom Scott, Roger Linn (yes, the drum machine guy), Timothy B. Schmidt on backing vox, and the trombone player from (the band) Chicago were on hand. Two more Porcaros (dad Joe and little brother Mike), plus David Paich's jazz pianist dad Marty. It was a who's-who of the L.A. studio musicians' scene during the Toto IV sessions.

 
There was a recent movement to get Weezer, through social media pressure, to cover Africa by Toto.  

They did it, note for note basically. 

It was an odd pop culture occurrence. 
Weezer did alright with their cover. They don't have anyone in their band that can hit the notes Bobby Kimball could, so they played "Africa" in a lower key. Weezer's arrangement is a lot simpler ... they didn't have a dozen guys in the studio painting on layer upon layer of percussion. But I'd say Weezer did the song justice. 

 
"Make Believe" and "I Won't Hold You Back" are the unsung soft-rock gems on Toto IV. They play back-to-back on the album, and really fit together as almost a single song with two movements. The themes fit seamlessly together --"Why can't we make it work?" and then "OK ... if it has to be this way, I accept it".

 
Weezer did alright with their cover. They don't have anyone in their band that can hit the notes Bobby Kimball could, so they played "Africa" in a lower key. Weezer's arrangement is a lot simpler ... they didn't have a dozen guys in the studio painting on layer upon layer of percussion. But I'd say Weezer did the song justice. 
Yeah, I wasn't arguing the quality of the covers, just that the tempo and beat were essentially the same instead of a radically different arrangement. 

I personally don't care for either song, really. Just a factoid and a weird pop culture moment.  

 
not really a comment on the Toto album, but in the early to mid 90s, I was living in SoCal and I one of my side gigs was working for a manager of a band called Los Lobotomys, which had Steve Lukather in it, as well as Jeff Porcaro before his death.  They'd play a bunch of gigs in the area and were made up of a lot of top notch studio musicians.  just a great bunch of guys.  I was tasked with 'the list' at the front door for the people the band invited.  needless to say, I came across a number of other musicians and celebrities who were on The List.  and then after the show, partying backstage and usually moving to a huge house in Hollywood Hills afterwards to keep the party going.  Good times and some great memories  :thumbup:

love this version of Africa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH9FyLsfDzw

 
Yeah, I wasn't arguing the quality of the covers, just that the tempo and beat were essentially the same instead of a radically different arrangement. 

I personally don't care for either song, really. Just a factoid and a weird pop culture moment.  
Yeah, I saw someone mention it on another board as a cover song better than the original.  It's pretty much a copy/paste of the original; no better, no worse. 

 
Yeah, I saw someone mention it on another board as a cover song better than the original.  It's pretty much a copy/paste of the original; no better, no worse. 
I think the biggest complaint was that it was thus pointless.

For a live cover band it would have been very good though.

 
I think the biggest complaint was that it was thus pointless.

For a live cover band it would have been very good though.
Mike Masse and Jeff Hall did this song back in 2010.  For whatever reason, I just assumed the Weezer thing was a byproduct of Masse's growing popularity among youtube musicians in recent years.  Masse's schtick is to do more or less exact replicas, or at least as close as he can get with a two person band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrC7e3vSv8

I don't care for Toto and don't consider them remotely "classic."  Its overproduced elevator music as far as I've ever been concerned, but I did take on somewhat of an appreciation for this song after hearing Masse's cover.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Mike Masse and Jeff Hall did this song back in 2010.  For whatever reason, I just assumed the Weezer thing was a byproduct of Masse's growing popularity among youtube musicians in recent years.  Masse's schtick is to do more or less exact replicas, or at least as close as he can get with a two person band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrC7e3vSv8

I don't care for Toto and don't consider them remotely "classic."  Its overproduced elevator music as far as I've ever been concerned, but I did take on somewhat of an appreciation for this song after hearing Masse's cover.
This is among the granddaddy of all YouTube covers. Those guys are incredible - saw them live in concert a few years ago. 

 
Did you go to the Pizzeria in Utah?
No - saw them in London of all places two years ago. Was there on business and was checking  out shows during my time there. They happened to be playing at a mid-sized club so I had to check it out. Place was packed - they definitely have a rabid global audience. 

 
Doctor Robert is weak.

For me, Revolver is an all-time great album but I rank Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road, the White Album and Rubber Soul ahead of it. That’s why the Beatles are the greatest band in history, imo, when an all-time album squeaks into their top five. Just incredible.
Doctor Robert is great.

Revolver was their best album.

 
Weezer did alright with their cover. They don't have anyone in their band that can hit the notes Bobby Kimball could, so they played "Africa" in a lower key. Weezer's arrangement is a lot simpler ... they didn't have a dozen guys in the studio painting on layer upon layer of percussion. But I'd say Weezer did the song justice. 


There was a recent movement to get Weezer, through social media pressure, to cover Africa by Toto.  

They did it, note for note basically. 

It was an odd pop culture occurrence. 

The video stars Weird Al Yankovic and references their Undone (The Sweater Song). 

Holy crap.  


Toto countered back with a cover of Hash Pipe. 

 
Al Green- Let’s Stay Together (1972)

Let’s Stay Together

La-La for You

So You’re Leaving

What is This Feeling? 

Old Time Lovin’

I’ve Never Found a Girl

How Can You Mend a Broken Heart

Judy

It Ain’t No Fun to Me

One of the greatest soul performers. All of the songs on this record from 1972 are so tasty; his cover of The Bee Gees’ standard blows away the original. And of course there is the title song, and absolute classic which seems fresh and note for note perfection no matter how many times I hear it. 

 
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Al Green has a string of 3-4 albums in the early 70s that are all great but to me pretty indistinguishable in that none stand out as being THE Al Green album. This is as good a choice as any. 

 
Al Green has a string of 3-4 albums in the early 70s that are all great but to me pretty indistinguishable in that none stand out as being THE Al Green album. This is as good a choice as any. 
The Belle Album is probably his best, but it came after his heyday and is a little different.

As you say, you could pick any of his early/mid-70s albums and not go wrong. I think of them as a 4-disc single set, as they are so consistent. If you didn't already know which songs were radio hits, it would be almost impossible to foretell which would be. There's zero filler on any of them.

 
Jim Croce- You Don’t Mess Around With Jim (1972) 

You Don’t Mess Around With Jim

Tomorrow’s Gonna Be a Brighter Day

New York’s Not My Home

Hard Time Losin’ Man

Photographs and Memories

Walking Back to Georgia

Operator (That’s Not the Way It Feels)

Time In a Bottle

Rapid Roy (The Stock Car Boy)

Box # 10

A Long Time Ago

Hey Tomorrow 

Jim Croce’s third album was his breakthrough, and it made him a short-lived superstar- short-lived, because he and his fellow musicians were killed in a plane crash less than a year later. During that year they managed to record enough material for  two more albums, but it was You Don’t Mess Around With Jim that contains his greatest collection of songs.

And it really is great. The title song is terribly catchy (its not about the singer; but instead about a pool shark named Jim Walker) with timeless lyrics. There are gems all over this record, like “Walking Back to Georgia”, “Box # 10”, “Hey Tomorrow”, “A Long Time Ago”, and the deeply gorgeous “Photograph and Memories”. And then there are the two huge hits, “Operator” and “Time In a Bottle”: quite simply, these are two of the most well crafted pop songs that have ever appeared on the radio. 

 
Jim Croce- You Don’t Mess Around With Jim (1972) 

You Don’t Mess Around With Jim

Tomorrow’s Gonna Be a Brighter Day

New York’s Not My Home

Hard Time Losin’ Man

Photographs and Memories

Walking Back to Georgia

Operator (That’s Not the Way It Feels)

Time In a Bottle

Rapid Roy (The Stock Car Boy)

Box # 10

A Long Time Ago

Hey Tomorrow 

Jim Croce’s third album was his breakthrough, and it made him a short-lived superstar- short-lived, because he and his fellow musicians were killed in a plane crash less than a year later. During that year they managed to record enough material for  two more albums, but it was You Don’t Mess Around With Jim that contains his greatest collection of songs.

And it really is great. The title song is terribly catchy (its not about the singer; but instead about a pool shark named Jim Walker) with timeless lyrics. There are gems all over this record, like “Walking Back to Georgia”, “Box # 10”, “Hey Tomorrow”, “A Long Time Ago”, and the deeply gorgeous “Photograph and Memories”. And then there are the two huge hits, “Operator” and “Time In a Bottle”: quite simply, these are two of the most well crafted pop songs that have ever appeared on the radio. 
Some of my best childhood memories are wrapped up in this album.  As a kid in the mid-70's, my parents, sister, and I would sit around the living room every Sunday afternoon/evening, playing games, eating, talking, and my Dad would be playing this album on his 8-track.  Great songwriting, fantastic lyrics, and such a wonderful voice. 

 
Some of my best childhood memories are wrapped up in this album.  As a kid in the mid-70's, my parents, sister, and I would sit around the living room every Sunday afternoon/evening, playing games, eating, talking, and my Dad would be playing this album on his 8-track.  Great songwriting, fantastic lyrics, and such a wonderful voice. 
Bolded says it well.  This is a wonderful collection of beautiful songs. 

 
I "discovered" Jim Croce about 10 - 15 years ago.  And I didn't really discover it so much as my wife knows I have a ton of CD's laying around (back then) and asked if I had any Jim Croce.  I knew the name, I was familiar with a couple of his songs and I'll be honest - it's never been my style.  However, I bought a copy of his Photographs and Memories (greatest hits) for her and we listened to it on a couple of long drives and I was blown away and I kicked myself for being so closed minded. 

I agree with the bold part above "Great songwriting, fantastic lyrics, and such a wonderful voice."  He really had a great voice.

 
I "discovered" Jim Croce about 10 - 15 years ago.  And I didn't really discover it so much as my wife knows I have a ton of CD's laying around (back then) and asked if I had any Jim Croce.  I knew the name, I was familiar with a couple of his songs and I'll be honest - it's never been my style.  However, I bought a copy of his Photographs and Memories (greatest hits) for her and we listened to it on a couple of long drives and I was blown away and I kicked myself for being so closed minded. 

I agree with the bold part above "Great songwriting, fantastic lyrics, and such a wonderful voice."  He really had a great voice.
Big fan when he came out.  Definitely great long distance driving music. 

 
The man definitely had a gift for being able to paint a picture and vividly tell a story with his lyrics.  Love songwriters who can do that.

 
Dont Mess Around With Jim is a great album.  As mentioned, Croce was a great songwriter. I love the guitar playing by Croce and Maury Muehleisen on the album. Maury played lead guitar on three of Jim's albums, and sang back up. Ingrid Croce (Jim's wife) said Maury was a big influence on Jim's music, and vice versa. She said he was the Ying to Jim's Yang. Jim and Maury were best friends, and they died in the plane crash together.  "Operator" is my favorite track on the album. Jim and Maury

 
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Croce never got the credit in orthodox rock history accounts that many of his peers - Joni, Paul, Carole, Jackson Browne, etc.... - did. I think there are a few reasons for this.

1. He died so early in his career that his canon is sparse.

2. Rock critics in the '70s were pretentious #######s.

3. Croce's lyrics were straight-forward and not full of flowery metaphor or allegory. All the rest - except Carole (Croce's closest equivalent among the singer-songwriter bunch)) & sometimes JT (who just wanted to stare at his own belly button, but was a good singer) - went for Big (Browne)/Mysterious(Joni)/Clever (Paul ####### Simon) Statements. I'd take Croce's lyrics over everyone of them. His songs told a story that listeners could actually understand, the music was clever and engaging, and the songs were sometimes FUN (anathema to serious folks, apparently) and sometimes heart-on-sleeve (also taboo, seemingly, if you are a SERIOUS ARTIST).

My rankings of the early '70s singer-songwriters:

1. Jim Croce

2. Carole King (she was already a legend and if she never did anything after composing/playing that piano intro to "One Fine Day" for The Chiffons, I'd still love her)

3. Bill Withers (hmmmm.......wonder why he never gets mentioned?)

4. James Taylor

5. Joni (I recognize the talent, but her music doesn't resonate with me)

6. Paul Simon (wrote some really good songs, but kept shooting himself in the foot with his self-seriousness)

7. Eating brussell sprouts

8. Watching Duke win a college hoops game

1,002. Jackson Browne

 
Van Halen- 1984 (1984) 

1984

Jump 

Panama

Top Jimmy

Drop Dead Legs

Hot For Teacher 

I’ll Wait

Girl Gone Bad

House of Pain

6 years after their debut album which we’ve already discussed, Van Halen put out their biggest record. 1984 dominated the charts and sold a zillion copies, because it was brash, bold, accompanied by some memorable,  funny videos, and the music was very very good. And they were all so damn happy to be there- that’s the enduring image I have of them from that year. 

 
Van Halen- 1984 (1984) 

1984

Jump 

Panama

Top Jimmy

Drop Dead Legs

Hot For Teacher 

I’ll Wait

Girl Gone Bad

House of Pain

6 years after their debut album which we’ve already discussed, Van Halen put out their biggest record. 1984 dominated the charts and sold a zillion copies, because it was brash, bold, accompanied by some memorable,  funny videos, and the music was very very good. And they were all so damn happy to be there- that’s the enduring image I have of them from that year. 
Did not age well. At all.

 
Van Halen- 1984 (1984) 

1984

Jump 

Panama

Top Jimmy

Drop Dead Legs

Hot For Teacher 

I’ll Wait

Girl Gone Bad

House of Pain

6 years after their debut album which we’ve already discussed, Van Halen put out their biggest record. 1984 dominated the charts and sold a zillion copies, because it was brash, bold, accompanied by some memorable,  funny videos, and the music was very very good. And they were all so damn happy to be there- that’s the enduring image I have of them from that year. 
I think 1984 is another example from a band where their most popular album wasn't their best work.  I would put 1984 about midway through their discography, still, great album though and God knows I wore out at least two tapes back then, a lot of great catchy songs with Drop Dead Legs, Top Jimmy, House of Pain and Hot For Teacher being my favorites.  God almighty man, I remember like yesterday sitting in English class in 10th grade and everyone talking about VH videos - "OMG did you see that new Van Halen video Hot For Teacher?"  

 
1984 was the first album I ever purchased... it was a cassette, and I was with my grandmother at the time.  She did not approve of the artwork. 

 
I agree with Sullie. Solid album but not their best. VH1 and Fair Warning I would rank higher.

 
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