Cleveland Browns (10 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

Did you describe Colt Mccoy above?

the only pick I hated more than Colt was Weeden. If you get McCoy out of Bridgewater then I am done here.

 

[ghostguy123]

Did you describe Colt Mccoy above?

the only pick I hated more than Colt was Weeden. If you get McCoy out of Bridgewater then I am done here.

I dont get Mccoy out of WATCHING Bridgewater. But it doesnt sound that far off in your worded description.

I dont like what I see.

 

[ghostguy123]

So what we gonna bet?

 

[MAC_32]

And actually, for a GM, it doesnt matter if they can show their work or not. It only matters if they got it right or not.

results oriented analysis is a quick path towards failure. Process, process, process.

A rAtarded GM picking names out of a hat who gets it right year after year and the team wins is getting a job before a genius who never gets it right but has a great "process".

Not saying I would hire the guy........................but if Opie from Family Guy can get it right more often than not, maybe he deserves an extension.

so you are cool with working for, or hiring someone, with no process as long as he nets results. Why not just save the money and go buy a dart board.

 

[MAC_32]

Did you describe Colt Mccoy above?

the only pick I hated more than Colt was Weeden. If you get McCoy out of Bridgewater then I am done here.

I dont get Mccoy out of WATCHING Bridgewater. But it doesnt sound that far off in your worded description.

I dont like what I see.

that's wonderful. What don't you like?

 

[ghostguy123]

Did you describe Colt Mccoy above?

the only pick I hated more than Colt was Weeden. If you get McCoy out of Bridgewater then I am done here.

I dont get Mccoy out of WATCHING Bridgewater. But it doesnt sound that far off in your worded description.

I dont like what I see.

that's wonderful. What don't you like?

He is black, hahahahahahhahahahahahah. Where's Waldman when ya need him.

I don't think he is all that accurate as I said, plus not a real strong arm. Thats the biggest part for me. Not a good combo. And I think he looks awkward.

 

[ghostguy123]

so you are cool with working for, or hiring someone, with no process as long as he nets results. Why not just save the money and go buy a dart board.

no not at all.

but if farmer is throwing darts blindfolded and hits, I will ask for him to get an extension............topic...................veered.................ahhhhhhhhh

 

[MAC_32]

Did you describe Colt Mccoy above?

the only pick I hated more than Colt was Weeden. If you get McCoy out of Bridgewater then I am done here.

I dont get Mccoy out of WATCHING Bridgewater. But it doesnt sound that far off in your worded description.

I dont like what I see.

that's wonderful. What don't you like?

He is black, hahahahahahhahahahahahah. Where's Waldman when ya need him.

I don't think he is all that accurate as I said, plus not a real strong arm. Thats the biggest part for me. Not a good combo. And I think he looks awkward.

not accurate? Funny that his film and scouting reports say his ball placement is exceptional.

 

[MAC_32]

so you are cool with working for, or hiring someone, with no process as long as he nets results. Why not just save the money and go buy a dart board.

no not at all.

but if farmer is throwing darts blindfolded and hits, I will ask for him to get an extension............topic...................veered.................ahhhhhhhhh

oh. My.

 

[MAC_32]

I want Weeden and DA's strong arm back too.

 

[ghostguy123]

not accurate? Funny that his film and scouting reports say his ball placement is exceptional.

Alrighty. I apparently disagree. Saw lots of throws not hitting guys in stride and others where it just took too long to get there so no RAC.

Again, LOTTTTT of QBs have awesome scouting reports and people say lot of great things, yet they bust.

When he gets into the NFL and is more hurried and defenders closing in and he is trying to get the ball to a spot quicker, I am thinking it's gonna be a problem.

 

[ghostguy123]

so you are cool with working for, or hiring someone, with no process as long as he nets results. Why not just save the money and go buy a dart board.

no not at all.

but if farmer is throwing darts blindfolded and hits, I will ask for him to get an extension............topic...................veered.................ahhhhhhhhh

oh. My.

sarcasm

 

[ghostguy123]

I want Weeden and DA's strong arm back too.

did I at any point say you HAVE to have a real strong arm?

 

[MAC_32]

not accurate? Funny that his film and scouting reports say his ball placement is exceptional.

Alrighty. I apparently disagree. Saw lots of throws not hitting guys in stride and others where it just took too long to get there so no RAC.

Again, LOTTTTT of QBs have awesome scouting reports and people say lot of great things, yet they bust.

When he gets into the NFL and is more hurried and defenders closing in and he is trying to get the ball to a spot quicker, I am thinking it's gonna be a problem.

Never was in college

 

[ghostguy123]

Never was in college

Again, and again, and again.........same can be said for every other highly drafted bust ever

 

[MAC_32]

I want Weeden and DA's strong arm back too.

did I at any point say you HAVE to have a real strong arm?

if your decision making and readability is strong all you need is functional arm strength

 

[MAC_32]

Never was in college

Again, and again, and again.........same can be said for every other highly drafted bust ever

so. Never draft a qb. Ok.

 

[ghostguy123]

I want Weeden and DA's strong arm back too.

did I at any point say you HAVE to have a real strong arm?

if your decision making and readability is strong all you need is functional arm strength

and pinpoint accuracy.

 

[ghostguy123]

Never was in college

Again, and again, and again.........same can be said for every other highly drafted bust ever

so. Never draft a qb. Ok.

where did I say that?? Where did I imply that?

 

[ghostguy123]

And the ability to still make those throws without being able to step into them.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Screw it. If I was the Browns GM I'd double-down and push all-in by taking Bortles at 4 and then either Manziel or Bridgewater if they're there at 26.

If one of the two becomes an elite QB then I don't care that I wasted the other pick. If they both pan out then I've got fantastic trade bait. And if they both bust then I'd probably jump off a bridge.

 

[ghostguy123]

Or trade up and take JOhnny and Teddy at 4 and 5........let them fight to the death

 

[MAC_32]

And the ability to still make those throws without being able to step into them.

so basically you never want to draft a qb early because this sort of stuff cannot be proven with tape. You can show he did it in college, which he did, but if you're going to pull the nfl is different card then you really can't argue for drafting any qb early, ever. Good luck winning with that approach.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Placing the valuation argument in context.

Weeden was not ranked as a first round pick. He was consistently mocked to go late 2nd and early 3rd round. The oldest first round pick in NFL history and a major reach to go in the first round. I would have been ok taking a flyer on him in the 3rd but not in the first round. Terrible value.

Last year Geno Smith was the top rated QB and was consistently mocked to go top-20 or sooner. He fell and it was whispered prior to last year's draft that he could/would fall and he did. Did the Jets get a value? Possibly they got fair market value and Geno will be an 'ok' starter.

Haven't seen anyone pick on Teddy or say they hate Bridgewater. People don't want to overpay and that seems pretty damn reasonable. The team is working out everyone which gives the impression they aren't blown away with any of the QBs at #4.

Here is something that the decision makers said that seems directed at Bridgewater.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_browns_mike_pettine_5.html

NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner was also not impressed.

"I think he's got some things to work on from a mechanical standpoint…the more movement you have, the more inaccurate you're going to be. I have a seen a couple of balls hang on him. Accuracy starts with your base and balance.''

Bridgewater's lack of a stable base could be a dealbreaker for the Browns. At the NFL Scouting Combine, Pettine revealed that base and balance are big deals to the offensive coaches.

"Talking to Kyle, we had a quarterback evaluation meeting already where it was just speaking in generalities, not a specific player, but (it was about) what he and Dowell Loggains are looking for in a quarterback in throwing mechanics and the base they have when they throw and how they generate power,'' said Pettine.

... Bridgewater, who didn't throw at the combine, told NFL Network "I thought it went pretty well.''

Add that most felt his Pro Day workout did not go 'pretty well' but Teddy said he felt his workout went pretty well.

If I'm evaluating QBs and a guy has a nice Pro Day and he says it went pretty well I don't have any problems but if he was off or struggled and he said it went pretty well I don't like that.

One other thing. A study was done on first-year NFL GMs to see if their were any trends and their was one that I found interesting. It seems first-year NFL GMs are reluctant to take a QB with their first pick especially if they are picking high in the draft. The reasoning was that they would rather get the sure-thing with their first pick before gambling at the QB position.

They study said that second year NFL GMs were MORE LIKELY to take a QB every year after that first year but first-year NFL GMs were less likely to take a QB with their top picks.

Its Farmer's call and from what I've heard we will go in another direction with that top pick but don't dispare Mac because their is one possibility that is very probable and I think the odds are pretty high this happens.

We trade-down a lil-bit from the #4 pick and get a guy who falls, like Teddy or Johnny especially if the first three picks are non-QBs which is not probable but its highly likely to happen. So Farmer might get a Teddy or Johnny AND an extra 2nd round pick.

I think the odds are pretty high something like that happens but I don't put the odds high that we just take a QB at #4. I honestly don't see that happening.

 

[Soulfly3]

What would Browns fans say to Aaron Donald at #4?

 

[amnesiac]

anyone know what the pay scale is for the #4 pick this year?

 

[amnesiac]

found an estimate: 14 million bonus, cap hits of about 4, 5, 6, 7 for a total around 21 million.

 

[Englishteacher]

What would Browns fans say to Aaron Donald at #4?

Hearing a lot of great stuff about him.

 

[ghostguy123]

And the ability to still make those throws without being able to step into them.

so basically you never want to draft a qb early because this sort of stuff cannot be proven with tape. You can show he did it in college, which he did, but if you're going to pull the nfl is different card then you really can't argue for drafting any qb early, ever. Good luck winning with that approach.

Why do you think I am trying to "win" something?

You like him, I don't. I dont agree with the reasons you like him.

Does there need to be more? Only thing that can be done at this point is let it play out.

There are no combination or words to describe a guy that guarantee sucess, try as you might. From what I see, I see "not going to be a top 10 QB ever", and probably much much lower than that.

And actually, regarding the post you just quoted here, yes, I was able to see that in college he wasnt making the same throws when he wasnt able to step into it.

You done putting words in my mouth yet?? Almost every one of your posts has taken 5 words I say and taken it to the extreme

 

[ghostguy123]

And the ability to still make those throws without being able to step into them.

so basically you never want to draft a qb early because this sort of stuff cannot be proven with tape. You can show he did it in college, which he did, but if you're going to pull the nfl is different card then you really can't argue for drafting any qb early, ever. Good luck winning with that approach.

and if you want me to flip it all around just like you are............so are you saying you want to draft a QB high every year no matter what since there are always guys who played lights out in college? I mean, the tape cant prove they wont do well in the NFL, so draft them, right?

I can do that, too.

Cmon Mac.

 

[MAC_32]

And the ability to still make those throws without being able to step into them.

so basically you never want to draft a qb early because this sort of stuff cannot be proven with tape. You can show he did it in college, which he did, but if you're going to pull the nfl is different card then you really can't argue for drafting any qb early, ever. Good luck winning with that approach.

and if you want me to flip it all around just like you are............so are you saying you want to draft a QB high every year no matter what since there are always guys who played lights out in college? I mean, the tape cant prove they wont do well in the NFL, so draft them, right?

I can do that, too.

Cmon Mac.

cant win in this league without a qb. We don't have a qb. You have to pick one. If there isn't an Andrew Luck you have to find the one that you can best develop. Bridgewater isn't perfect, but if you cant mask his weaknesses I don't think you have any business coaching in the nfl.

 

[ghostguy123]

You don't HAVE to pick one.

I think the QB Bridgewater will amount to what can be found either later in the draft, through trade, or in free agency.

Sorry, dont like him

 

[ghostguy123]

I still badly want to trade down from 4 in a deal that gets us a 2015 1st. If it's detroit so be it. 10, their 2nd, and 2015. Insta accept IMO.

We would have two 2nds, 3rds, and 4ths. I coudl easily see us move up once or twice to make those six picks into 3 or 4 much better prospects.

I think some of the QBs drafted later on in the 2nd or so will be as good as Bridgewater, so if we wanna waste a pick I say do it then, not pick 4.

 

[thecardiackid]

What would Browns fans say to Aaron Donald at #4?

Sounds like 4 is early for AD, but his draft status sounds like it's on the rise. If he was going to be like vince wolfork or ngata then sure, his main knock is his size (6') iirc.

And I still think we might take Mack if he's still there.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

What would Browns fans say to Aaron Donald at #4?

I would say can we get him at 7 or 8 and pick up a 2nd? Then trade Taylor or Rubin?

 

[MAC_32]

You don't HAVE to pick one.

I think the QB Bridgewater will amount to what can be found either later in the draft, through trade, or in free agency.

Sorry, dont like him

like who?

 

[amnesiac]

What would Browns fans say to Aaron Donald at #4?

Sounds like 4 is early for AD, but his draft status sounds like it's on the rise. If he was going to be like vince wolfork or ngata then sure, his main knock is his size (6') iirc.And I still think we might take Mack if he's still there.

agreed. the more i think about it, Mack might make the most sense if Pettine likes him.

 

[ghostguy123]

You don't HAVE to pick one.

I think the QB Bridgewater will amount to what can be found either later in the draft, through trade, or in free agency.

Sorry, dont like him

like who?

hopefully none of them. I dont like any of these guys to be what we need to be a winner.

 

[MAC_32]

You don't HAVE to pick one.

I think the QB Bridgewater will amount to what can be found either later in the draft, through trade, or in free agency.

Sorry, dont like him

like who?

hopefully none of them. I dont like any of these guys to be what we need to be a winner.

so we are going to the playoffs with Hoyer this year?

 

[ghostguy123]

You don't HAVE to pick one.

I think the QB Bridgewater will amount to what can be found either later in the draft, through trade, or in free agency.

Sorry, dont like him

like who?

hopefully none of them. I dont like any of these guys to be what we need to be a winner.

so we are going to the playoffs with Hoyer this year?

probably not. Dont think we are going to the playoffs with any of the QBs in the draft either.

You have a point? You put more words in my mouth that I speak for myself.

 

[MAC_32]

Woo hoo! Another five win season on the way! I can't wait!

Or we could, you know, try.

 

[ghostguy123]

Woo hoo! Another five win season on the way! I can't wait!

Or we could, you know, try.

If you wanna just take a guy, so be it.

I just prefer not to do that.

 

[ghostguy123]

Woo hoo! Another five win season on the way! I can't wait!

Or we could, you know, try.

If you wanna just take a guy, so be it.

I just prefer not to do that.

In fact, I would view it as trying even more if we draft watkins then trade a few picks up for Robinson and roll with it.

I think that gives us a better chance than drafting one of these guys.

I dont want to do that, but rather do that than draft one of them at 4

 

[MAC_32]

So, Sammy and misc qb gets us to the playoffs?

 

[ghostguy123]

So, Sammy and misc qb gets us to the playoffs?

You dont read so well

 

[ghostguy123]

So, Sammy and misc qb gets us to the playoffs?

but i'll play

drafting a ####ty QB gets us to the playoffs?

 

[ghostguy123]

but at least we're trying right.

 

[ghostguy123]

i think we should just draft Teddy at 4. Carr at 26. Meteenberger or whatever his name is at 35, and someone else in the 3rd and 4th.

I mean..........................theoretically if ONE of them is a top 10 QB it's well worth it, so..........................#### it, lets do it. Maybe this gives us a 50-50 shot at getting our QB this year. MAYBE.

 

[MAC_32]

So, Sammy and misc qb gets us to the playoffs?

but i'll play

drafting a ####ty QB gets us to the playoffs?

we have everything we need to win except coaching and a qb. Go get a ####### qb.

 

[MAC_32]

i think we should just draft Teddy at 4. Carr at 26. Meteenberger or whatever his name is at 35, and someone else in the 3rd and 4th.

I mean..........................theoretically if ONE of them is a top 10 QB it's well worth it, so..........................#### it, lets do it. Maybe this gives us a 50-50 shot at getting our QB this year. MAYBE.

not five qb's. Pick one, create a winner.