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ghostguy123 said:
Now who do we look to move up for?  
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Prob one of these safeties if I had to guess.  Not sure if another 5th will get us into the back end of the 2nd from 80.  All these trades where teams are moving up approx 10 spots this round are getting the other teams 2nd and 3rd (or in the Den/Cin trade 2nd 4th and 6th).

 
kno nothing of Takitaki, but apparently he was FAR AND AWAY the highest ranked player on our board at that point and mgmt absolutely loves him. 

there were some reliable college dudes on twitter that were pounding for their team to draft the kid as a day 2 talent.

 
Soulfly3 said:
kno nothing of Takitaki, but apparently he was FAR AND AWAY the highest ranked player on our board at that point and mgmt absolutely loves him. 

there were some reliable college dudes on twitter that were pounding for their team to draft the kid as a day 2 talent.
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Hmnn, also don't know a thing about Takitaki but saw this:

  • The Browns gave up 78 rushes over 10-plus yards last year, including nine rushing touchdowns
Part of that was Greg Williams aggressive blitzing scheme but Schobert was one of the top guys for missed tackles as was Jamie Collins who wasn't as bad as Joe.  We  lost Peppers and he was solid if they lined him up in the box.  

Good to have LB depth or challengers to start and hopefully we'll add a few more challengers at LB and S today.

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New Browns LB Sione Takitaki had the 14th-highest run-defense grade in the class. #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/tciOnwWImk

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This guy went five picks later to Baltimore.  Made history by breaking T-Sizzle's all-time sack record

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Asked what he knew about the Browns during a conference call with local reporters, Williams said: "I know one thing -- that the Browns are going to the Super Bowl this year. That's a fact."

 
Guys still available that we 'might' have an interest in.  Good stuff, go to the link for the full read.  A couple of guys I kinda like on this list but the article has more.

Cleveland Browns Day 3 draft prospectus

...Potential targets

This is certainly not an exhaustive list. Instead, includes players flagged as value and/or potential Browns picks.

Safety

Deionte Thompson 6-1, 195, Alabama: Needs to get bigger but has good range. Fell further than anticipated – could develop into a very good over the top safety.

Chauncey Gardner-Johnson 5-11, 210, Florida: Big, thick safety who can cover. Not sure why he fell but would be an excellent pick in the 4th round.

Amani Hooker 5-11, 210, Iowa: Fits perfectly as a hybrid player in Steve Wilks’ system. Could be a nice find in the 4thround.

Jaquan Johnson 5-10, 191, Miami: Not a great athlete but a good football player. His lack of size and average athleticism will push him down but plays with fire and instincts. If he slides into the 6th, a solid pick.

Defensive tackle

Daylon Mack 6-1, 336, Texas A&M: Massive individual – big-time recruit who did not live up to the hype until his final season with the Aggies. Could develop into a run stuffing starting tackle. A nice fit in the 4th round.

Renell Wren 6-5, 318, Arizona State: Massive individual – good athlete for his size. Not a great or even very good college player – but his size and athleticism translate well to the NFL. Could pay a huge dividend as a 5th round pick.

Offensive tackle

Michael Jordan 6-6, 312, Ohio State: Played guard and center ...
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MAC_32 said:
Been digging around for info talking myself into this pick for the better part of an hour. Liking what I'm finding. 
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The numbers look special.  

I like he struggled then turned his life around, was voted back onto the team by his peers, was elected team captain, and then kicked butt when he got his second chance but back to those numbers.  

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Pete Smith‏ @_PeteSmith_ 13h13 hours ago

Sione Takitaki has one year where he'd a stud off ball LB in college. 2018 14.1% solo tackle market share. He also had one year where he has great production as an edge player. 2017 7.9% solo tackle 22.7% TFL 29.4% sack On the numbers... yea, he's special

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Solo tackle market share is typically in the 7% range and that is what he hit playing EDGE where he had a high sack rate but when he moved inside... WOW! 

The numbers are really good.  He looks like he's going to be a ST demon and hopefully he can compete to start at some point.

 
Kicker yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The final missing piece to the puzzle!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Austin Seibert !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"championship"

I actually do like the pick not mocking it.  We really did need a kicker........I have no idea how good he is but he can't be worse.

 
Dez said:
Kicker yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The final missing piece to the puzzle!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Austin Seibert !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"championship"

I actually do like the pick not mocking it.  We really did need a kicker........I have no idea how good he is but he can't be worse.
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It can always be worse. 

 
Dez said:
Kicker yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The final missing piece to the puzzle!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Austin Seibert !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"championship"

I actually do like the pick not mocking it.  We really did need a kicker........I have no idea how good he is but he can't be worse.
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I do not like spending a draft pick on a kicker.  They are a dime a dozen on the free agent market, and none of them come with any guarantee.  Bring 12 of them into camp and find one that can do the job.   I hope the guy becomes a perennial pro bowler, but I'd much rather stock pile depth elsewhere, like the O-line, with these mid-late rounds.

 
Soulfly3 said:
how and why did mack wilson fall to us THAT far?
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Great pick for us...maybe the best pick of the draft for us thus far (that is not intended as a knock on other selections in any way).  This guy is 3-4th round value.  I feel we reached on Takitaki.  Wilson is great value and I think will be a significant contributor.  He needs to develop a little more instinct for the game...anticipate better rather than just react.

 
Galileo said:
I do not like spending a draft pick on a kicker.  They are a dime a dozen on the free agent market, and none of them come with any guarantee.  Bring 12 of them into camp and find one that can do the job.   I hope the guy becomes a perennial pro bowler, but I'd much rather stock pile depth elsewhere, like the O-line, with these mid-late rounds.
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And there you go... G at pick 189!  :clap:

 
I thought once Joseph settled in he wasn’t half bad. New special teams coach this year too. Drafting one is Ok, as long as we’re not married to him because of it.

 
Galileo said:
Great pick for us...maybe the best pick of the draft for us thus far (that is not intended as a knock on other selections in any way).  This guy is 3-4th round value.  I feel we reached on Takitaki.  Wilson is great value and I think will be a significant contributor.  He needs to develop a little more instinct for the game...anticipate better rather than just react.
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Why?

And it comes across as negative sandwiched between your Wilson hype. 

You know I’m a big proponent of get your guy when you can and don’t risk it. Sounds like Wolf and Highsmith LOVED him. 

 
Bobcat10 said:
Why?

And it comes across as negative sandwiched between your Wilson hype. 

You know I’m a big proponent of get your guy when you can and don’t risk it. Sounds like Wolf and Highsmith LOVED him. 
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Well, I hope they are right.   I am certainly not privy to all the info the Browns staff had collected as they prepared for the draft.  They obviously know things I don't.

To be honest, Takitaki was not really on my radar, and I have never seen him play.  So in all fairness it is tough for me to judge him.  I have seen Wilson play.  When I look around at inside linebacker pre-draft rankings, I see Mack Wilson ranked higher on every one of them.  I generally see Wilson listed from #2-4 on rank lists.  No doubt there is some Alabama bias as they are front and center on the national stage, but not on one list have I seen Takitaki even as a top ten listing.  The highest I have seen Takitaki ranked on anyone's list is 14th, and I have seen him outside the top 50 on others.  At the very least, there's a lot more variation in peoples' opinion of him.  In the end, the only list that matters is the one Dorsey and his staff put together, so I will have to trust them, but it seems possible that there were better LBs available OR if they didn't want those others, there seems to be a good chance TakiTaki would have still been available at 119, thus my assessment that it seems like a reach.

 
Bobcat10 said:
I thought once Joseph settled in he wasn’t half bad. New special teams coach this year too. Drafting one is Ok, as long as we’re not married to him because of it.
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Austin Seibert K, OKLA

Height: 5-9, Weight: 213

The Browns got better than expected production from Greg Joseph but clearly aren't satisfied with the position.  Seibert can contribute as a kicker and punter.

2018 - 17/19 on field goals

 
Galileo said:
Well, I hope they are right.   I am certainly not privy to all the info the Browns staff had collected as they prepared for the draft.  They obviously know things I don't.

To be honest, Takitaki was not really on my radar, and I have never seen him play.  So in all fairness it is tough for me to judge him.  I have seen Wilson play.  When I look around at inside linebacker pre-draft rankings, I see Mack Wilson ranked higher on every one of them.  I generally see Wilson listed from #2-4 on rank lists.  No doubt there is some Alabama bias as they are front and center on the national stage, but not on one list have I seen Takitaki even as a top ten listing.  The highest I have seen Takitaki ranked on anyone's list is 14th, and I have seen him outside the top 50 on others.  At the very least, there's a lot more variation in peoples' opinion of him.  In the end, the only list that matters is the one Dorsey and his staff put together, so I will have to trust them, but it seems possible that there were better LBs available OR if they didn't want those others, there seems to be a good chance TakiTaki would have still been available at 119, thus my assessment that it seems like a reach.
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As a general rule, if an Alabama player falls there's usually good reason. I'm not expecting anything more than adequate depth in 2020 and 2021. 

I'd have rather they go after Takitaki with the 119 and gone in a different direction at 80 though. 

 
The Man With No Name said:
Austin Seibert K, OKLA

Height: 5-9, Weight: 213

The Browns got better than expected production from Greg Joseph but clearly aren't satisfied with the position.  Seibert can contribute as a kicker and punter.

2018 - 17/19 on field goals
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Long - 42 yds   :loco:   1/3 on 50+ yd attempts and 9/15 from 40-49 for his college career.    He does have a ridiculously large number of extra points with solid numbers there.  He's nothing special as a punter.  This is not a player, nor a position, that screams 5th round pick in my eyes.  I wonder if this pick happens if Baker were not here.

 
MAC_32 said:
As a general rule, if an Alabama player falls there's usually good reason. I'm not expecting anything more than adequate depth in 2020 and 2021. 

I'd have rather they go after Takitaki with the 119 and gone in a different direction at 80 though. 
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Agreed.  As I said, I certainly do not have all the info.  I did see a leaked Wonderlic test score of 15 for Wilson.  That isn't too impressive.

 
From PFF pre-draft big board rankings. Greedy top-ten overall.  

They have Takitaki ranked over Mack Wilson.

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PFF 250 pre-draft ranked players for 2019 NFL draft

9. CB GREEDY WILLIAMS, LSU

His sophomore campaign wasn’t quite as dominant as his freshman season, but he still only allowed 27 of his 74 targets to be completed.

109. LB SIONE TAKITAKI, BYU

A former edge defender turned off-ball linebacker in 2018, Takitaki earned an 88.6 run-defense grade with BYU, ranking tied for 13th with Kansas’ Joe Dineen Jr. among qualifiers. Takitaki also earned a 75.9 coverage grade across 365 coverage snaps in 2018.

127. LB MACK WILSON, ALABAMA

Wilson checks a lot of boxes in that he’s as a former five-star recruit coming out of Alabama, but he’s yet to prove he can turn his limitless potential into results on the field. In his last two years with the Crimson Tide, Wilson earned sub-72.0 overall grades.

142. S SHELDRICK REDWINE, MIAMI (FLA.)

Redwine earned career highs in overall grade (81.6) and coverage grade (85.9). He also recorded 35 defensive stops in 2017 and 2018 combined.
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Bracie Smathers said:
From PFF pre-draft big board rankings. Greedy top-ten overall.  

They have Takitaki ranked over Mack Wilson.

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PFF 250 pre-draft ranked players for 2019 NFL draft
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There you go.   After a little googling...I actually found Rotoworld with Takitaki listed at 90 and Wilson listed at 104.  But the others I found...

CBS - Wilson 54; Takitaki 254

draftnetwork.com - Wilson 54; Takitaki 191

nflbigboard.com - Wilson 47; Takitaki 207

draftek.com - Wilson 41; Takitaki 237

NFL.com - Wilson 61; Takitaki 277 (based on grade)

Sporting News - Wilson 45; Takitaki not in top 100

NBCsports.com - Wilson 48; Takitaki not in top 100

nfldraftgeek.com - Wilson 46; Takitaki not in top 100

Walterfootball.com - Wilson 41; Takitaki not in top 100

 
Galileo said:
There you go.   After a little googling...I actually found Rotoworld with Takitaki listed at 90 and Wilson listed at 104.  But the others I found...

CBS - Wilson 54; Takitaki 254

draftnetwork.com - Wilson 54; Takitaki 191

nflbigboard.com - Wilson 47; Takitaki 207

draftek.com - Wilson 41; Takitaki 237

NFL.com - Wilson 61; Takitaki 277 (based on grade)

Sporting News - Wilson 45; Takitaki not in top 100

NBCsports.com - Wilson 48; Takitaki not in top 100

nfldraftgeek.com - Wilson 46; Takitaki not in top 100

Walterfootball.com - Wilson 41; Takitaki not in top 100
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Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyways....We don't have to take anyone Mel Kiper says we have to take.

 
Good breakdown of Takitaki from Jeff Loyd as guest on a BYU sports talk show from this morning.

Jeff is part of the Locked on Browns podcast team which is the best out there covering the Browns.  See link below.

Jeff Lloyd from Locked on Browns podcast joins on BYUSN to discuss Sione Takitaki's place on the team, the Browns' linebacker situation, and next year's expectations.

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The Locked on Browns podcast, these guys cover everything in detail.  Fantastic pod if you haven't heard of it.  Just check out their draft stuff.

They go over Greedy and will be covering every pick and the rest of the AFCN, and the NFL.  Great pod devoted to the Browns.

Locked On Browns podcast page

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Some Mack Wilson luv.

NFL Draft 2019: Late-Round Picks Who Could Become Pro Bowlers

Mack Wilson, LB, Cleveland Browns

The Cleveland Browns drafted Mack Wilson in the fifth round, but he's a solid Day 2 talent based on his tape. The 6'1", 240-pound linebacker shouldn't have limitations, as the coaching staff can use him on all three downs.

Wilson isn't a quick-strike linebacker like Atlanta's Deion Jones but shows functional awareness in coverage. He logged six interceptions and seven pass breakups between his sophomore and junior seasons at Alabama.

Joe Schobert's deal expires at the end of the season. Despite having a Pro Bowl campaign in 2017, the three-year veteran linebacker may become expendable. The Browns can turn to the rookie who has a cheaper contract and a comparable skill set. 

Assuming Wilson's traits translate, he'll likely see action in a limited role in 2019, though his coverage skills are beneficial with an increasing number of spread offenses around the league. The Montgomery, Alabama, native has the potential to put together a breakout season within his first two years.
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Rumors before the draft did say we were shopping Schobert and we did draft two LBers who hopefully could develop if negotiations get sticky.

 
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Dez said:
Slow the roll: Vegas says Browns miss playoffs
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The odds would change if this goes down.   

This is a speculative article but it is interesting speculation.             Browns analysis: John Dorsey could make play for Buccaneers’ Gerald McCoy  

Browns GM John Dorsey is believed to have a post-draft interest in former All-Pro DT Gerald McCoy, who led Tampa Bay with 21 QB hits in 2018, and Bucs are in need of a RB...

...Dorsey’s interest in McCoy is believed to be ongoing,...

McCoy, who turned 31 ... No. 3 overall pick of the 2010 draft. McCoy made first team All-Pro in 2012, 2013 and 2014, and at one point went to six straight Pro Bowls, the last of them after the 2017 season.

In 2018, McCoy had six sacks and a team-high 21 quarterback hits, playing 70 percent of Tampa Bay’s defensive downs (732 overall).

...Tampa Bay is in a salary-cap squeeze into which an aging defensive tackle with one year left on his contract, at $13 million, does not fit.

The Browns have wiggle room and a player who might fit the tricky economics of a trade involving two veterans, in addition to addressing a Bucs need. Running back Duke Johnson signed a Browns contract extension last year that, according to Spotrac, has them on the hook for salary cap hits of $4.05 million this year, $4.85 million in 2020 and $5.9 million in 2021.

The Bucs’ three leading rushers in 2018 were Peyton Barber with 871 yards (3.7 average), quarterback Jamies Winston with 281 yards and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick with 152 yards.

...Arians told reporters McCoy would be Tampa Bay’s starting three-technique tackle for new defensive coordinator Todd Bowles if he remained on the team in 2019. Arians made it clear it was a big “if.”

“The financial is a big part of it,” Arians said late last month, via Tampa Bay Times beat man Rick Stroud. “I’ve got to evaluate him. I mean, guys when they age, it’s different.

“Usually they’re at the age when they get paid the most and the production doesn’t match.

“It’s a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business. It’s hard. It’s cold. That’s it.”

The Bucs are reshaping their defense and spent their top five draft picks on defenders,

...If the Bucs can’t trade McCoy, he would become available if they cut him, at which point he could choose his team rather than being bound to one in a trade.

Dorsey hasn’t been shy about dealing previous regimes’ picks for other teams’ players. He parlayed DeShone Kizer into safety Damarious Randall, used Jabrill Peppers as a key chip in the Beckham deal, and most recently sent Ogbah to the Chiefs for safety Eric Murray.

He has been willing to part with players who might have been of use to the 2019 Browns (prime example: Peppers) in exchange for players who might make a bigger difference.
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We are at a different spot than we were a few months ago.  While other teams are peeling off older vets Dorsey 'might' be looking to add the missing piece that could push us over the top.

 
Do we want Gerald Mccoy for 1 year at 13 million?  I dont wanna trade Duke for him unless we sign a good backup RB, which I dont see as being available. 

I dont really think it would be a great move to take on that salary, let alone give away Duke also.  

He is a decent player, but nah, I dont know 

 
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