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[Captain Quinoa]

WR? they could do it. Watkins would be making about 5X as much as Gordon though. awkward.

If Seattle can have Pryor making more than Wilson for a year, we can do it with Gordon/Watkins.

 

[amnesiac]

It seems there is no consensus franchise QB, like Luck, in this draft. Clearly, if there were, Houston would be all over him.

So... what makes QB-X, whomever you like, worthy of the #4 pick when he's not worthy of #1?

houston's evaluations may not match cleveland's

nor jacksonvilles....? lol

come on, if two QB needy teams pass, there's a damn good reason.

these QBs are not first round talents... or at least not til end of rnd 1

Because groupthink always yields the right answer.

it only takes one "weird" draft board to change the direction of the draft. off the top of my head look at what Oakland's done in the past with Bey and Janikowski.

bad examples for your point, but it's a valid point.

 

[B-Deep]

i do not pretend to know what the browns should do, but i firmly believe they are trying to not look like they are going QB becuase they are going QB

i could be way wrong though, it is just a hunch

Bringing in every QB for a private workout isnt really 'hiding' anything.

do you think the actions of the browns this off season say they are likely to draft a QB?

i would say they are very likely to draft a QB.i just have no idea what round.

ok

let me re-ask

does anyone think the browns off season actions have made it seem like they are likely to draft a QB at #4?

 

[amnesiac]

WR? they could do it. Watkins would be making about 5X as much as Gordon though. awkward.

If Seattle can have Pryor making more than Wilson for a year, we can do it with Gordon/Watkins.

sure they can. and they should if Watkins grades out higher than the rest of the players available at that pick.

but if we're going to play the money game as Pluto was suggesting, it makes more sense to grab a WR later in a deep WR class.

 

[amnesiac]

i do not pretend to know what the browns should do, but i firmly believe they are trying to not look like they are going QB becuase they are going QB

i could be way wrong though, it is just a hunch

Bringing in every QB for a private workout isnt really 'hiding' anything.

do you think the actions of the browns this off season say they are likely to draft a QB?

i would say they are very likely to draft a QB.i just have no idea what round.

oklet me re-ask

does anyone think the browns off season actions have made it seem like they are likely to draft a QB at #4?

no more likely than any other position, IMO. if they were, why work out EVERY QB?

they're not going to draft Mettenburger at 4, for example.

 

[MAC_32]

it only takes one "weird" draft board to change the direction of the draft.

Uh huh. Trust your evaluation. Traditional rules in place, QB withstanding you don't want to go more than a half round or so earlier than expected for anyone, but if you grade them higher than the others and they're the best available on your board then pick him. QB's operate under different rules, but if you think a guy can be your starter and you need one then you draft him. If you see him as a developmental type only then do you wait. The only reason we should bypass a QB at 4 is if everyone available falls into the developmental tier, or lower.

 

[B-Deep]

ok

i guess they have been showing QB, that is not my impression or the impression I have seen most widely

so if they draft a QB it will be expected here. Others will be shocked and possibly angry

 

[Captain Quinoa]

You listening to Farmer's presser, Mac?

When asked about Teddy, first thing he said is "Teddy's a good college quarterback". Was more effusive about Johnny.

 

[MAC_32]

ok

i guess they have been showing QB, that is not my impression or the impression I have seen most widely

so if they draft a QB it will be expected here. Others will be shocked and possibly angry

My impression is they have made it clear they are drafting a QB, but giving no one any idea when, and who. The media, local and national, seem hell bent that it will be round 1, likely early, but I get the sense that NFL people are much less sold on the team doing that. We'll almost certainly draft one sometime in the top 50 or so, but who? when?

 

[MAC_32]

You listening to Farmer's presser, Mac?

When asked about Teddy, first thing he said is "Teddy's a good college quarterback". Was more effusive about Johnny.

Can't stream at work and walls are too thick to get radio, so I planned to listen to it after the family goes to bed tonight.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Browns working out a former Pro Bowl QB and top-three pick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/28/browns-to-give-vince-young-a-look-see/

Browns to give Vince Young a look-seePosted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2014, 10:37 AM EDT
... Quarterback Vince Young, the third overall pick in the 2006 draft who has been out of the NFL since 2011, will participate in the Browns’ voluntary minicamp on a tryout basis this week, according to Mark Berman of FOX 26 in Houston.

Young, who will take a physical on Monday, spent portions of the offseason in 2012 and 2013 with the Bills and Packers, respectively.

The Browns’ interest isn’t surprising. For starters, their best options currently are Brian Hoyer, who’s recovering from a torn ACL, and Alex Tanney, who’s best known for his abilities as a trick-shot artist.

Besides, owner Jimmy Haslam, a Tennessean, witnessed Young become a Pro Bowler in both 2006 and 2009 with the Titans. It makes sense for Haslam to at least raise with his football people the question of whether Young at least deserves a chance to compete with the top options currently under contract in Cleveland...

 

[Faust]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet Apr 25

If #Browns pick a position player at No. 4, sets up a problem. Teams’ll know they want a QB at 26, could try to trade up over them.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet Apr 25

If #Browns pick a position player at No. 4, sets up a problem. Teams’ll know they want a QB at 26, could try to trade up over them.

1. Not necessarily

2. If there is a QB they want that starts falling to the late teens, early 20's -- they have plenty of ammo to go get him.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

But, then so could any number of other teams sneak back into the teens and early twenties for a QB. It's a minefield to try to navigate your coveted QB pick to the late first round. Unless they really don't covet a QB at all. To passively sit and wait and hope your guy falls to #26 will take brass balls.

 

[B-Deep]

“It would be big, big, ginormous [to get him],” Farmer said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “He’s a good football player. He has really good hands, can run all the routes and can be productive. Saddle him on the opposite side ofJosh Gordon — wow!”

subterfuge

 

[B-Deep]

ok

i guess they have been showing QB, that is not my impression or the impression I have seen most widely

so if they draft a QB it will be expected here. Others will be shocked and possibly angry

My impression is they have made it clear they are drafting a QB, but giving no one any idea when, and who. The media, local and national, seem hell bent that it will be round 1, likely early, but I get the sense that NFL people are much less sold on the team doing that. We'll almost certainly draft one sometime in the top 50 or so, but who? when?

i get the impression they are trying to leave the impression they will not draft a QB4

 

[Soulfly3]

It would be big, big, ginormous [to get him], Farmer said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Hes a good football player. He has really good hands, can run all the routes and can be productive. Saddle him on the opposite side ofJosh Gordon wow!

subterfuge

Reverse reverse psychology.

Welcome, Sammy.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

But, then so could any number of other teams sneak back into the teens and early twenties for a QB. It's a minefield to try to navigate your coveted QB pick to the late first round. Unless they really don't covet a QB at all. To passively sit and wait and hope your guy falls to #26 will take brass balls.

Trading up from 26 is a lot easier than trading up from 33-40, especially when they have extra 3rd and 4th round picks.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

It would be big, big, ginormous [to get him], Farmer said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Hes a good football player. He has really good hands, can run all the routes and can be productive. Saddle him on the opposite side ofJosh Gordon wow!

subterfuge

Reverse reverse psychology.

Welcome, Sammy.

Not looking that way.

Most likely in order: Mack, OT, trade down, Johnny

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/04/ray_farmer_nfl_draft_2014_clev.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Cleveland Browns' Ray Farmer praises Sammy Watkins and Johnny Manziel during NFL Draft 2014 press conference

* On Buffalo pass-rusher Khalil Mack: "He's a really good football player, explosive, can rush the passer, can do a little bit of everything.''

* He said signing receivers Nate Burleson and Andrew Hawkins wouldn't impact his draft plans or preclude him from taking a Watkins or Mike Evans.

* On Texas A&M's Mike Evans: "Obviously the size and speed are the intriguing things that you see.''

* He said he wasn't dissuaded by Teddy Bridgewater's poor Pro Day: "It comes down to how he plays football.''

* Farmer said he's talked to about 8-10 GMs in the past 24 hours about possible trades and all of them in the past week or so.

* He acknowledged he has a guy he wants at No. 4, but wouldn't say who.

* On Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel: "He's exciting, electric, he's turned a lot of heads. He's different.'' He acknowledged that the questions are all about his size (5-11 3/4). "I don't have reservations with who Johnny is.''

* He pleaded the fifth when asked if there's a quarterback worthy of the No. 4 pick.

* He said having seven-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas wouldn't preclude him from drafting a premier tackle such as a Greg Robinson or Jake Matthews. "There's no way I would tell you those guys aren't interesting players for us as well,'' Farmer said.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

But, then so could any number of other teams sneak back into the teens and early twenties for a QB. It's a minefield to try to navigate your coveted QB pick to the late first round. Unless they really don't covet a QB at all. To passively sit and wait and hope your guy falls to #26 will take brass balls.

Trading up from 26 is a lot easier than trading up from 33-40, especially when they have extra 3rd and 4th round picks.

Dane Brugler@dpbrugler · 1h

I've spent time around several NFL GMs, Ray Farmer is one of the more impressive. With 10 draft picks as ammo, he'll be very aggressive

I have no doubt Farmer can and will pull the trigger to move up or down as necessary. This draft will be very interesting to watch unfold.

 

[MAC_32]

Hmm...assuming Clowney and Sammy aren't available...trade down from 4 to get Mike Evans...trade up from 26 to get Manziel...and maintain the other four picks in the top 100?

Just a dart throw...

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I have no doubt Farmer can and will pull the trigger to move up or down as necessary. This draft will be very interesting to watch unfold.

* Farmer said he's talked to about 8-10 GMs in the past 24 hours about possible trades and all of them in the past week or so.

Um, Ray's Freudian slip may have shown in his presser.

Instead of saying with the FOURTH pick, Farmer said with the FIFTH PICK.

He's said that he's done the typical due-dilligence in putting out feelers for potential trades then he makes a slip of the tongue like that.

Hmnnnn.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I have no doubt Farmer can and will pull the trigger to move up or down as necessary. This draft will be very interesting to watch unfold.

* Farmer said he's talked to about 8-10 GMs in the past 24 hours about possible trades and all of them in the past week or so.

Um, Ray's Freudian slip may have shown in his presser.

Instead of saying with the FOURTH pick, Farmer said with the FIFTH PICK.

He's said that he's done the typical due-dilligence in putting out feelers for potential trades then he makes a slip of the tongue like that.

Hmnnnn.

Did he say 'fifth pick', or as you posted above "He pleaded the fifth when asked if there's a quarterback worthy of the No. 4 pick."?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I have no doubt Farmer can and will pull the trigger to move up or down as necessary. This draft will be very interesting to watch unfold.

* Farmer said he's talked to about 8-10 GMs in the past 24 hours about possible trades and all of them in the past week or so.

Um, Ray's Freudian slip may have shown in his presser.

Instead of saying with the FOURTH pick, Farmer said with the FIFTH PICK.

He's said that he's done the typical due-dilligence in putting out feelers for potential trades then he makes a slip of the tongue like that.

Hmnnnn.

Did he say 'fifth pick', or as you posted above "He pleaded the fifth when asked if there's a quarterback worthy of the No. 4 pick."?

Caller to Cleveland Browns Daily pointed out the 'slip-of-the-tongue' and co-host Nathan Zegura confirmed that Farmer said with the fifth pick.

That call came in last segment and the show will be posted by tomorrow at the link:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/audio/Cleveland_Browns_Daily_LIVE/2a0cc2c2-5d29-4b02-ac5b-b8b07fc17475

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I have no doubt Farmer can and will pull the trigger to move up or down as necessary. This draft will be very interesting to watch unfold.

* Farmer said he's talked to about 8-10 GMs in the past 24 hours about possible trades and all of them in the past week or so.

Um, Ray's Freudian slip may have shown in his presser.

Instead of saying with the FOURTH pick, Farmer said with the FIFTH PICK.

He's said that he's done the typical due-dilligence in putting out feelers for potential trades then he makes a slip of the tongue like that.

Hmnnnn.

Did he say 'fifth pick', or as you posted above "He pleaded the fifth when asked if there's a quarterback worthy of the No. 4 pick."?

Caller to Cleveland Browns Daily pointed out the 'slip-of-the-tongue' and co-host Nathan Zegura confirmed that Farmer said with the fifth pick.

That call came in last segment and the show will be posted by tomorrow at the link:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/audio/Cleveland_Browns_Daily_LIVE/2a0cc2c2-5d29-4b02-ac5b-b8b07fc17475

I heard the caller.

 

[B-Deep]

It would be big, big, ginormous [to get him], Farmer said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Hes a good football player. He has really good hands, can run all the routes and can be productive. Saddle him on the opposite side ofJosh Gordon wow!

subterfuge

Reverse reverse psychology.

Welcome, Sammy.

naaa

everyone thinks they are taking sammy, they are playing in so they can draft manzbortwater

 

[MAC_32]

Reading that Farmer basically said his QB has got to have the ability to move, making throws outside the pocket. Gotta rule out Mett and Savage. Probably McCarron too. I liked Mett in the Norv offense, but not heartbroken to see him crossed off this list. A lot needs fixed and he's still rehabbing. Happy about the other two not being considered though. He also continues to emphasize accuracy, so I don't need to worry about Logan Thomas too. And, probably, Bortles. Even if we don't draft my guy or my plan B it looks like he is at least going to avoid the land mines.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Reading that Farmer basically said his QB has got to have the ability to move, making throws outside the pocket. Gotta rule out Mett and Savage. Probably McCarron too. I liked Mett in the Norv offense, but not heartbroken to see him crossed off this list. A lot needs fixed and he's still rehabbing. Happy about the other two not being considered though. He also continues to emphasize accuracy, so I don't need to worry about Logan Thomas too. And, probably, Bortles. Even if we don't draft my guy or my plan B it looks like he is at least going to avoid the land mines.

Sounds like he's honing in on Carr...

 

[Soulfly3]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

 

[B-Deep]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

lol

you cannot be that sure

 

[amnesiac]

i'm sure after some time passes, Soulfly4 would pick up the slack for him.

 

[Soulfly3]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

lolyou cannot be that sure

It's my offer. I dont go back on my word

 

[MAC_32]

Reading that Farmer basically said his QB has got to have the ability to move, making throws outside the pocket. Gotta rule out Mett and Savage. Probably McCarron too. I liked Mett in the Norv offense, but not heartbroken to see him crossed off this list. A lot needs fixed and he's still rehabbing. Happy about the other two not being considered though. He also continues to emphasize accuracy, so I don't need to worry about Logan Thomas too. And, probably, Bortles. Even if we don't draft my guy or my plan B it looks like he is at least going to avoid the land mines.

Sounds like he's honing in on Carr...

Accuracy inside and out of the pocket is a fit in some form for all of Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr, Fales, and to a lesser degree Garopollo, Boyd, Wenning, and Murray.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

lolyou cannot be that sure

It's my offer. I dont go back on my word

Please come back for one F#@# U rant at least. We need to know you care about leaving the forum. Just once, please.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Reading that Farmer basically said his QB has got to have the ability to move, making throws outside the pocket. Gotta rule out Mett and Savage. Probably McCarron too. I liked Mett in the Norv offense, but not heartbroken to see him crossed off this list. A lot needs fixed and he's still rehabbing. Happy about the other two not being considered though. He also continues to emphasize accuracy, so I don't need to worry about Logan Thomas too. And, probably, Bortles. Even if we don't draft my guy or my plan B it looks like he is at least going to avoid the land mines.

Sounds like he's honing in on Carr...

Accuracy inside and out of the pocket is a fit in some form for all of Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr, Fales, and to a lesser degree Garopollo, Boyd, Wenning, and Murray.

I'm not saying Cleveland takes Carr with the #4 pick, but I'll be shocked if they don't take him at pick #26, assuming they pass on a QB at pick #4.

 

[Soulfly3]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

lolyou cannot be that sure

It's my offer. I dont go back on my word

Please come back for one F#@# U rant at least. We need to know you care about leaving the forum. Just once, please.

That's a given. Plenty of #### yous to go around

 

[B-Deep]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

lolyou cannot be that sure

It's my offer. I dont go back on my word

i sure wouldn't hold you to it

 

[MAC_32]

Reading that Farmer basically said his QB has got to have the ability to move, making throws outside the pocket. Gotta rule out Mett and Savage. Probably McCarron too. I liked Mett in the Norv offense, but not heartbroken to see him crossed off this list. A lot needs fixed and he's still rehabbing. Happy about the other two not being considered though. He also continues to emphasize accuracy, so I don't need to worry about Logan Thomas too. And, probably, Bortles. Even if we don't draft my guy or my plan B it looks like he is at least going to avoid the land mines.

Sounds like he's honing in on Carr...

Accuracy inside and out of the pocket is a fit in some form for all of Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr, Fales, and to a lesser degree Garopollo, Boyd, Wenning, and Murray.

I'm not saying Cleveland takes Carr with the #4 pick, but I'll be shocked if they don't take him at pick #26, assuming they pass on a QB at pick #4.

Shocked seems extreme, especially if Manziel is available. If Manziel is gone and it's between Bridgewater and Carr we'll see what type Farmer prefers - the bigger arm or the better tape. I have a hard time envisioning Fales here because his arm strength is probably unmanageably weak. The cold weather will kill it. He's almost gotta go to a dome or warm weather stadium. He fits the criteria he apparently eluded to today though.

 

[MAC_32]

Plus I read earlier this offseason that the Raiders really like Carr.

 

[Bobcat10]

i do not pretend to know what the browns should do, but i firmly believe they are trying to not look like they are going QB becuase they are going QB

i could be way wrong though, it is just a hunch

Bringing in every QB for a private workout isnt really 'hiding' anything.

do you think the actions of the browns this off season say they are likely to draft a QB?

100% lock....or maybe 99.99% on the longshot chance they go Hoyer Grossman and Vince LOL

edit;;; After reading a little further, you clarified 1.4. Please nix my post. It's a toss up.

 

[ghostguy123]

I am not saying they are

i am saying if the browns THINK one is and then pass on him because houston and jacksonville do, THAT is about the most ridiculous think i can think of.

yeah, that would be idiotic and worthy of being fired

Like the Jakcsonville idiot in "draft day".

 

[ghostguy123]

i do not pretend to know what the browns should do, but i firmly believe they are trying to not look like they are going QB becuase they are going QB

i could be way wrong though, it is just a hunch

Bringing in every QB for a private workout isnt really 'hiding' anything.

do you think the actions of the browns this off season say they are likely to draft a QB?

No. Their actions say they are looking at the QBs to see if they want to draft any of them.

They are more likely than many other teams, but that fact was known before private workouts.

 

[ghostguy123]

ok

i guess they have been showing QB, that is not my impression or the impression I have seen most widely

so if they draft a QB it will be expected here. Others will be shocked and possibly angry

Not sure anyone would be "shocked" if we draft a QB at 4.........just angry

 

[Village Idiot]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

I'll leave too.

 

[B-Deep]

If we take a QB at 4 ill leave the forum. Scouts honor

I'll leave too.

no way dude!

 

[thecardiackid]

But, then so could any number of other teams sneak back into the teens and early twenties for a QB. It's a minefield to try to navigate your coveted QB pick to the late first round. Unless they really don't covet a QB at all. To passively sit and wait and hope your guy falls to #26 will take brass balls.

Trading up from 26 is a lot easier than trading up from 33-40, especially when they have extra 3rd and 4th round picks.

Dane Brugler@dpbrugler · 1h

I've spent time around several NFL GMs, Ray Farmer is one of the more impressive. With 10 draft picks as ammo, he'll be very aggressive

I have no doubt Farmer can and will pull the trigger to move up or down as necessary. This draft will be very interesting to watch unfold.

call me crazy, but i'd much rather farmer just sits on all of our picks. and pray his group knows how to evaluate talent.

maybe trade down from the 4th pick if they have another player they think they can get later. the one good thing banner/lombardi did for the team was to stockpile picks in a very good (allegedly) draft class. If we can add 4'ish new starters to the overall team it should go a long way to making us NFL relevant.

anyone know if farmer (as asst. GM in KC) was part of any "big" trades early in the draft??

 

[Bracie Smathers]

We're going mobile.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=31491

How the appearance of mobile QBs Vince Young and Tyler Thigpen at minicamp tips Browns' draft plansApr 28, 2014 -- 1:28pm

By Tony Grossi | ESPNCleveland.com

When the Browns were absolutely desperate to field a healthy quarterback last year, they never seriously considered bringing in out-of-work veterans Vince Young and Tyler Thigpen.



But both have been invited on a tryout basis to coach Mike Pettine’s voluntary minicamp starting on Tuesday.

The difference?



Kyle Shanahan is now the team’s offensive coordinator and Norv Turner is not.



“When you talk about any one player, him fitting in a place, styles make fights,” GM Ray Farmer said. “If a guy doesn’t fit with a potential coach or the scheme we’re operating before, then those guys get passed over. Now that there may an opportunity for a fit, you tend to be a little more aggressive or follow guys a little differently. Inevitability, you’ve got to find guys that fit what you do.”



Farmer spoke Monday for the final time in a public setting prior to the May 8 draft. While the traditional pre-draft presser is filled with designed fog to camouflage the team’s draft plans, they often are very instructive if the right interpretations are made.



In Farmer’s candid remarks about Young and Thigpen, two journeymen who are mobile and deft at throwing on the run, the projection to a similar quarterback in the draft can be made.



Although Shanahan has shown he can adapt to a pocket passer (Matt Schaub), he clearly favors his quarterbacks – all of them – to be mobile, and Farmer confirmed as much.



“I think it’s a piece of the puzzle. I wouldn’t say it’s the top piece,” Farmer said. “They both are mobile. They’re both very good athletes. They both have had relative success. I think Kyle will tell you he likes a quarterback that is mobile. The offense definitely is going to require the quarterback to do different things – throw on the move, play outside the pocket to some degree. Yeah, I think that’s a fair assessment.”



As Pettine and Shanahan gather their team on the field for the first time this week, Brian Hoyer’s availability is uncertain. Farmer said he is “excited” with where Hoyer is right now. He had surgery in October and has said he is ahead of schedule to be ready for training camp. But his work will be limited for this week’s minicamp.



With untested Alex Tanney the only other quarterback on the roster, Young and Thigpen were signed to get the team through the week. One may be invited back to training camp. But the obvious conclusion is that the Browns’ pursuit of a quarterback in the draft will center on a mobile one.



Which brings us to the most mobile one of all, Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M.



“Exciting, electric, he’s dynamic,” Farmer said of Manziel. “The guy turned a lot of heads, was in the SEC and won a lot of games. There’s things to definitely be excited about.



“There (are) questions that everyone wants to talk about -- if he’s big enough, will he get hurt, is his arm strong enough. He’s different. He’s not the quintessential guy that everybody looks at and says this is exactly how you draw it up, this is the package that you want. It’s not how you generally think about playing the position and being effective. The guy has definitely been a very good college quarterback.”...

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/articles/view/mobile-quarterbacks-have-seized-the-day

Mobile Quarterbacks Have Seized the Day By Chris MalumphyThe day of the pure pocket passer has come to an end. Mobile quarterbacks are not the wave of the future, they have already taken over the game. Five of the top seven rushing quarterbacks started games in the 2013 playoffs. The only two immobile quarterbacks among the playoff starters are future Hall of Fame pocket passers Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, who also happen to be the oldest starting quarterbacks in the league. Philip Rivers and Drew Brees are two others who don't carry the ball down field much, but both are mobile enough to keep plays alive in the backfield. When the retirements of Manning and Brady inevitably occur, we may not see the likes of a pure pocket passer again.

The new breed of mobile quarterback is best exemplified by Cam Newton, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick. Even Alex Smith and Andrew Luck compile significant rushing yards. And that's not to overlook Robert Griffin, who is one year removed from the playoffs, Michael Vick who now plays understudy to Nick Foles, and Geno Smith who may, or may not, have a big future. And the Raiders can only dream of how far their star would rise if Terrelle Pryor could only pass half as well as he runs with the ball.

Go to the above link for chart.

 

[daveR]

And yet Peyton Manning just proved that mobilty is just an extra dimension.

 

[RevDawg]

So, if the Cowboys are hellbent on taking Manziel, as it's being reported, how do we feel about moving down to 16? Is that too low? It would take the Cowboys 1 & 2 (picks 16 & 47) this year, right? As much as I'm intrigued by Johnny coming to Cleveland, I'm also kind of intrigued by this idea.