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[Bracie Smathers]

GO DOLPHINS!!

Uh maybe, maybe not.

In any event we can't lose no matter what the outcome.

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Angelo James ‏@Ajdeezi 9h9 hours ago

Believe it or not, #Browns fans should be rooting for Buffalo 2night. Huge swing in Miami's chances if they lose (40% to 18%) #Wildcardrace

 

[Peak]

Honestly, I don't see how the Browns lose tonight. They have to be the owners of their destiny - so keep winning. But if they need help, a Buffalo win gives them that....but if Miami wins, it lowers Buffalo in the standings and provides a better draft pick in 2015.

I call this the optimist's "glass full" scenario for a Cleveland fan.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You gotta see this video of Brian Cushing miked-up in a game against the Browns from 2011 that the Texans posted at their site.

Brian likes to run his mouth. He begins by saying the rest of the defense can sit because he can beat the Browns ALL BY HIMSELF.

OK Brian. I hope the Browns offensive line saw/heard this one because it will fire em up.

Cushing seems like a real pill on the field. He gets into with the entire Brown offensive line, dropping F-bombs all over the place and even gets into with OG Shaun LaVaua a few times till they mix-it-up after Cush seeks out Shaun on an interception return and Shaun goes after him but get this.... Cushing removes his helmet and then HEAD BUTTS LaVaua and Shaun head butts Cushing back and opens up a great big gash on his forehead. Blood everywhere but Cushing did a Monty Python Black Knight impersonation trying to say he wanted to go play without a helmet but after the game he was all like. Oh man I'm gonna feel this tomorrow when I wake up, lol.

He was hurt but he's going to play but he's gimpy with a bum groin so maybe some playback will happen with Brian Cushing Sunday.

CHECK THIS OUT. MUST SEE.

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http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL_Network_Sound_FX_Brian_Cushing/5d679de5-db1d-47ea-804b-7adcfaf5471f

NFL Network Sound FX: Brian Cushing

In 2011, NFL Films had inside access to Texans linebacker Brian Cushing during Week 9's win over the Browns.

 

[MAC_32]

GO DOLPHINS!!

Uh maybe, maybe not.In any event we can't lose no matter what the outcome.

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Angelo James ‏@Ajdeezi 9h9 hours ago

Believe it or not, #Browns fans should be rooting for Buffalo 2night. Huge swing in Miami's chances if they lose (40% to 18%) #Wildcardrace

neither of them are going to make the playoffs anyway, go fins...and Sammy.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Bad news.

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Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak 7m

#Browns rule out TE Jordan Cameron and S Johnson Bademosi with concussions for Sunday vs. Houston.

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PatMcManamon @PatMcManamon 5m Tough blow for #Browns ... DL Phil Taylor done for season with knee problem not related to previous injury #ouch

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http://nflspinzone.com/2014/11/14/arian-foster-sunday-vs-browns/
Arian Foster Is OUT on Sunday vs Brownsby Ernie Padaon

23m agoHouston Texans RB Arian Foster suffered a groin injury and will not be able to play this weekend against the Cleveland Browns. Alfred Blue will take the starting role for the team.

Arian Foster will be out on Sunday against the Cleveland Browns because of a groin injury.

Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock Follow

UPDATE: Arian Foster is OUT for Sunday's game against the Browns.

10:02 AM - 14 Nov 2014
That is a huge break for the Cleveland Browns, who will be looking to defend their top spot in the AFC North. This will be their first game since taking the top spot in the North and they will be looking to knock off the Texans in their first chance to hold it down.

With Foster out, the Texans will hand the ball off to Alfred Blue to take the carries on Sunday. Nice little break for the Browns. This will be a nice game for the Browns to get a win to keep the pressure on everyone else in the division.

 

[wadegarrett]

Losing Bryant, Hughes and now Taylor really puts pressure on the rest of the DL to step up. Went from 7 solid players to 4. Big blow to this team.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Getting decimated by injuries, Alex Mack, Jordan Cameron, Armonty Bryant, John Hughes, Phil Taylor, could knock us out of playoff contention even with the addition of Josh Gordon so the biggest issue/decision will be what to do with Hoyer and if Johnny can play or not so this was inevitable I suppose.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2269285-brian-hoyer-rumors-latest-buzz-surrounding-qbs-future-with-browns-other-teams

Brian Hoyer Rumors: Latest Buzz Surrounding QB's Future with Browns, Other Teams By Donald Wood , Featured Columnist Nov 16, 2014The quarterback position for the Cleveland Browns has been a topic of conversation all season after the team used a first-round pick on Johnny Manziel. Given how well Brian Hoyer has played as the starter, there are several teams reportedly interested in signing him if he becomes a free agent when his contract expires this offseason.

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Facebook, the Houston Texans and Tennessee Titans are two teams reportedly interested:

"Brian Hoyer and Bill O'Brien worked together in past and have an interest in doing same in future, per league sources. Hoyer trusts O'Brien as much as any coach in the league from their time together in New England, per sources, and would welcome a reunion. Titans HC Ken Whisenhunt, who worked with Hoyer in Arizona, also has interest, per sources. Cleveland has been in wait-and-see mode on Hoyer, whose contract expires after this season. Some around the league believe the deal could get done only as soon as the Browns truly are ready to make Hoyer, not Johnny Manziel, their long-term quarterback."

Hoyer won the starting job over Manziel during training camp and has helped lead Cleveland to a 6-3 record, good enough for first place in the AFC North.

Last month, Hoyer spoke on his desire to start, per Mary Kay Cabot of the Northeast Ohio Media Group: "I don't think I need to say any more than I'm from Cleveland and this is where I want to be. But I also am a competitor, so I want to be somewhere where I'm playing."

At the time, Cabot also weighed in on Hoyer's future:

"If [the Browns] aren't willing to pay Hoyer starter money -- something like a five-year deal worth $60 million, including a $20 million to $25 million signing bonus -- it'll be clear to him that they're waiting for the right time to turn the team over to Manziel, and he'll likely opt to test the market.

If Hoyer keeps playing this well, he'll have plenty of suitors in free agency. Texans coach Bill O'Brien, who coached Hoyer in New England and loved him, is one who could become intrigued. And if Kyle Shanahan lands a head coaching gig -- it's possible with the way he has this offense humming -- he could also come calling. "

The Browns must decide whether they believe Hoyer gives them the best chance to win or if Manziel is the future of the franchise. With elite wide receiver Josh Gordon returning to the team next week after a 10-game suspension, Hoyer’s numbers should continue to climb and his grasp on the starting job should only get tighter.



Add in the possibility of making the postseason, and Cleveland’s decision about whether to re-sign the impending free agent will only get more difficult.

 

[amnesiac]

honestly, isn't this a great problem to have after being devoid of talent at the position for years?

 

[nxmehta]

This could be the turning point for us. Hoyer looked awful out there. If Gordon doesn't inject some life into the offense, with all the injuries we could be done...

 

[MAC_32]

This could be the turning point for us. Hoyer looked awful out there. If Gordon doesn't inject some life into the offense, with all the injuries we could be done...

i will be stunned if we lose next week.

 

[thecardiackid]

honestly, isn't this a great problem to have after being devoid of talent at the position for years?

dunno about that. hoyer has been adequate as a starter, but do any of us believe he's the long term solution @ qb? granted his wrs are below average, cameron isn't himself this year, and gordon has been out. but, as much as i love the "home town kid does well" angle here, he's a game manager guy. he'll never (IMO) be a long term solution, more like trent dilfer'ish - if you surround him w/ a solid team, he'll get you some wins.

i don't think any of us here think hoyer is the type of qb that takes your team deep into the playoffs. get you into the wildcard and possibly win a playoff game? maybe.

re: johnny, hope i'm wrong, but i don't think his college game translates in the NFL. i'm praying that this year on the pine is helping him develop and learn how to read defenses. we'd have been much better off had we used that late 1st on another position that could be starting and contributing now. (i.e. D line)

thank god we have the 2 1sts in next year's draft.

it was nice to see the browns alone in 1st place in the AFCN past the mid way point for once since 99, but w/ all the injuries i'll be shocked if we make it to the post season. like the coaching staff (didn't at first), and the overall direction (via farmer). we're still a year or three away from being a legit contender in the AFC.

 

[MAC_32]

He is absolutely not Trent Dilfer-ish. He looks like a better Alex Smith.

 

[amnesiac]

yeah, we have at minimum, a decent real NFL starting QB. first time in years.

and while i don't think his game will translate either, Manziel could very well be a decent NFL backup QB.

that's a MUCH better position than having Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell imo.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Losing Bryant, Hughes and now Taylor really puts pressure on the rest of the DL to step up. Went from 7 solid players to 4. Big blow to this team.

Dansby out now too. MRI Monday. Pettine said it could be long term

 

[beer 30]

yeah, we have at minimum, a decent real NFL starting QB. first time in years.

and while i don't think his game will translate either, Manziel could very well be a decent NFL backup QB.

that's a MUCH better position than having Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell imo.

Absolutely and he's done it without Cameron & Gordon. Gordon will make Hoyer better, so would Cameron but he's close to being done for the year for me. If he can't shake the concussion thing now it's not going to miraculously cure itself in the next week or so.Hoyer is the guy, Johnny needs to sit & learn.

 

[thecardiackid]

yeah, we have at minimum, a decent real NFL starting QB. first time in years.

and while i don't think his game will translate either, Manziel could very well be a decent NFL backup QB.

that's a MUCH better position than having Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell imo.

Absolutely and he's done it without Cameron & Gordon. Gordon will make Hoyer better, so would Cameron but he's close to being done for the year for me. If he can't shake the concussion thing now it's not going to miraculously cure itself in the next week or so.Hoyer is the guy, Johnny needs to sit & learn.

Alright, I'll reserve my judgement till EOY, but again, while I love he's a local guy and played at iggy's, he's just meh. Not bad, not killing the team w/ lots of picks. But, is anyone starting him in any non 2 qb formats w/ 14 or less teams??

He's had 2 games this season scoring over 20 (21 and 25) FF std scoring. And 2 w/ 10 or under (one was crushing CIN last week surprisingly enough - but the run game was crushing it).

Today, he led the team to 7 points and was 20 for 50. Sure the yardage was good, but HOU isn't the best D in the league.

I'll shut up and wait to see what gordon does for him, but he seems like a very good backup vs. a weekly starter. I do understand how we as browns fans may have lowered the bar for what we consider is good quarterbacking because of what we've been forced to endure since Couch was drafted.

ETA: the trent dilfer comparison above was probably poor judgement, but it's not that far off.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

They probably should just go ahead shut down Cameron for his own good.

 

[MAC_32]

Call me crazy, but he's better than Stafford. Hoyer with no weapons > Stafford with no weapons.

 

[Bobcat10]

Call me crazy, but he's better than Stafford. Hoyer with no weapons > Stafford with no weapons.

OK, you're crazy.

Hoyer isn't that good guys. He'll win just enough to keep you thinking he's something special.

 

[MAC_32]

Call me crazy, but he's better than Stafford. Hoyer with no weapons > Stafford with no weapons.

OK, you're crazy.

Hoyer isn't that good guys. He'll win just enough to keep you thinking he's something special.

To be fair, it's more my opinion being lower on Stafford than most than it is I think Hoyer is the savior.

 

[Ojaays]

He is absolutely not Trent Dilfer-ish. He looks like a better Alex Smith.

Just curious, what part of his game is better than Smith?

Smith , more mobile, runs better, way better.

Passing wise, they are both pretty meh.

Both are smart, fine, but I don't see Smith missing open shots the same way Hoyer does.

 

[Ilov80s]

He is absolutely not Trent Dilfer-ish. He looks like a better Alex Smith.

Just curious, what part of his game is better than Smith?Smith , more mobile, runs better, way better.

Passing wise, they are both pretty meh.

Both are smart, fine, but I don't see Smith missing open shots the same way Hoyer does.

Hoyer seems more willing to take shots down field. At least from what I've seen.

 

[jurb26]

Hoyer is better than Stafford and Smith. Stop smokin, man.

 

[MAC_32]

He is absolutely not Trent Dilfer-ish. He looks like a better Alex Smith.

Just curious, what part of his game is better than Smith?Smith , more mobile, runs better, way better.

Passing wise, they are both pretty meh.

Both are smart, fine, but I don't see Smith missing open shots the same way Hoyer does.

Hoyer seems more willing to take shots down field. At least from what I've seen.

He doesn't turn the ball over and he makes plays down field. Naysayers want to hammer away at his completion % while completely ignoring his YPA and turnover numbers. I'm sure he'd be a 65% passer if he threw everything near the line of scrimmage like Smith, Tannehill, Orton, etc. Not his game though. 6th best in YPA while only throwing 5 picks throwing to the likes of Andrew Hawkins, Miles Austin, Taylor Gabriel, Gary Barnridge, and Jim Dray with two rookies and a ####ty vet in the backfrield? Sign me up.

 

[MAC_32]

Hoyer is better than Stafford and Smith. Stop smokin, man.

I'm sure Hoyer would not be able to properly execute the short dump off to Jamaal Charles and watch him work his magic nor the throw into double coverage and hope Calvin Johnson can bail me out plays. Throwing deep crosser's to wide receivers under 5'9...so much easier.

 

[jurb26]

Hoyer is better than Stafford and Smith. Stop smokin, man.

I'm sure Hoyer would not be able to properly execute the short dump off to Jamaal Charles and watch him work his magic nor the throw into double coverage and hope Calvin Johnson can bail me out plays. Throwing deep crosser's to wide receivers under 5'9...so much easier.

If you're sure he can't even do that then I guess we agree.

 

[MAC_32]

Hoyer is better than Stafford and Smith. Stop smokin, man.

I'm sure Hoyer would not be able to properly execute the short dump off to Jamaal Charles and watch him work his magic nor the throw into double coverage and hope Calvin Johnson can bail me out plays. Throwing deep crosser's to wide receivers under 5'9...so much easier.

If you're sure he can't even do that then I guess we agree.

Well played.

Seriously though, he has his flaws, but so does every non Luck/Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees QB. Hell, those QB's do too. I don't think we're going to see Hoyer, statistically, blow the doors off with Gordon back, but that's not how this scheme is designed anyway. For the most part, the offense has been surprisingly functional through the 10 games without him. Two eggs were laid against Jacksonville and Houston, but the other eight games were either W's or came down to the final play and the Browns scored > 20 in all of them.

I expect this team to be in a win-and-in situation come week 17.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The discussion on Hoyer and Manziel is the biggest one that really hasn't been discussed because we were/are in the thick of a legit playoff run and everyone was anticipating the impact that WR Josh Gordon would have but considering we've lost three defensive linemen to IR and yesterday lost two starting linebackers added to the huge loss of C Alex Mack on offense it means we can't stop the run and really were not stopping the run all year and on offense out ability to run the ball is hurt.

We know last year Gordon placed incredibly but we still finished with a terrible record so his impact may not mean as much as the injuries we've suffered meaning our playoff run may not pan out so the biggest question bubbles to the surface.

Do we go forward with Hoyer or Manziel?

We've seen Hoyer without great receiving weapons and with a great running game and with running game that doesn't have Alex Mack and here is a stat to show how much Mack means to the run game.

- With Alex Mack: 165 carries, 732 yards (4.4 YPC)

- Without Alex Mack: 159 carries, 386 yards (2.4 YPC)

I love Hoyer but we have actually seen what he can and can't do.

We don't know about Manziel, what he can or can't do with the same team.

So if we find ourselves out of playoff contention the biggest question will remain. Hoyer or Manziel and we can't make that call until we see Manziel.

Right now, we're still in it and Hoyer is the guy AND we get to see him with Josh Gordon.

Just not as confident considering all of the defensive injuries and the tough AFC playoff race.

 

[MAC_32]

If Hoyer can't lead this team to the playoffs then we find out about Manziel next year. If we're dead before week 17 then throw him in there then. I'll be surprised and very disappointed if we are though. I think this team could make the playoffs and win a game with Hoyer. We're not making the playoffs this year with Manziel though.

 

[B-Deep]

The discussion on Hoyer and Manziel is the biggest one that really hasn't been discussed because we were/are in the thick of a legit playoff run and everyone was anticipating the impact that WR Josh Gordon would have but considering we've lost three defensive linemen to IR and yesterday lost two starting linebackers added to the huge loss of C Alex Mack on offense it means we can't stop the run and really were not stopping the run all year and on offense out ability to run the ball is hurt.

We know last year Gordon placed incredibly but we still finished with a terrible record so his impact may not mean as much as the injuries we've suffered meaning our playoff run may not pan out so the biggest question bubbles to the surface.

Do we go forward with Hoyer or Manziel?

We've seen Hoyer without great receiving weapons and with a great running game and with running game that doesn't have Alex Mack and here is a stat to show how much Mack means to the run game.

- With Alex Mack: 165 carries, 732 yards (4.4 YPC)

- Without Alex Mack: 159 carries, 386 yards (2.4 YPC)

I love Hoyer but we have actually seen what he can and can't do.

We don't know about Manziel, what he can or can't do with the same team.

So if we find ourselves out of playoff contention the biggest question will remain. Hoyer or Manziel and we can't make that call until we see Manziel.

Right now, we're still in it and Hoyer is the guy AND we get to see him with Josh Gordon.

Just not as confident considering all of the defensive injuries and the tough AFC playoff race.

based on how good Hoyer has looked the thought of ditching him for Manziel is amazing to me

 

[Bobcat10]

The discussion on Hoyer and Manziel is the biggest one that really hasn't been discussed because we were/are in the thick of a legit playoff run and everyone was anticipating the impact that WR Josh Gordon would have but considering we've lost three defensive linemen to IR and yesterday lost two starting linebackers added to the huge loss of C Alex Mack on offense it means we can't stop the run and really were not stopping the run all year and on offense out ability to run the ball is hurt.

We know last year Gordon placed incredibly but we still finished with a terrible record so his impact may not mean as much as the injuries we've suffered meaning our playoff run may not pan out so the biggest question bubbles to the surface.

Do we go forward with Hoyer or Manziel?

We've seen Hoyer without great receiving weapons and with a great running game and with running game that doesn't have Alex Mack and here is a stat to show how much Mack means to the run game.

- With Alex Mack: 165 carries, 732 yards (4.4 YPC)

- Without Alex Mack: 159 carries, 386 yards (2.4 YPC)

I love Hoyer but we have actually seen what he can and can't do.

We don't know about Manziel, what he can or can't do with the same team.

So if we find ourselves out of playoff contention the biggest question will remain. Hoyer or Manziel and we can't make that call until we see Manziel.

Right now, we're still in it and Hoyer is the guy AND we get to see him with Josh Gordon.

Just not as confident considering all of the defensive injuries and the tough AFC playoff race.

based on how good Hoyer has looked the thought of ditching him for Manziel is amazing to me

Everyone doesn't agree on how "good" Hoyer has looked. With the Browns currently in the mix and getting Gordon back, I'm perfectly fine letting Hoyer guide this ship. He's just not special IMO. The other guy might be...and I think I'm safe in saying JFF has the much higher ceiling of the two. That doesn't mean Hoyer won't ultimately be better, because JFF has a bigger bust factor, while Hoyer is your very average manager.

 

[z14jcb]

Bad news.

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Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak 7m

#Browns rule out TE Jordan Cameron and S Johnson Bademosi with concussions for Sunday vs. Houston.

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More bad news
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PatMcManamon @PatMcManamon 5m Tough blow for #Browns ... DL Phil Taylor done for season with knee problem not related to previous injury #ouch

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Saving not so bad news for last
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http://nflspinzone.com/2014/11/14/arian-foster-sunday-vs-browns/
Arian Foster Is OUT on Sunday vs Brownsby Ernie Padaon

23m agoHouston Texans RB Arian Foster suffered a groin injury and will not be able to play this weekend against the Cleveland Browns. Alfred Blue will take the starting role for the team.

Arian Foster will be out on Sunday against the Cleveland Browns because of a groin injury.

Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock Follow

UPDATE: Arian Foster is OUT for Sunday's game against the Browns.

10:02 AM - 14 Nov 2014
That is a huge break for the Cleveland Browns, who will be looking to defend their top spot in the AFC North. This will be their first game since taking the top spot in the North and they will be looking to knock off the Texans in their first chance to hold it down.

With Foster out, the Texans will hand the ball off to Alfred Blue to take the carries on Sunday. Nice little break for the Browns. This will be a nice game for the Browns to get a win to keep the pressure on everyone else in the division.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Bad news.

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Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak 7m

#Browns rule out TE Jordan Cameron and S Johnson Bademosi with concussions for Sunday vs. Houston.

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More bad news
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PatMcManamon @PatMcManamon 5m Tough blow for #Browns ... DL Phil Taylor done for season with knee problem not related to previous injury #ouch

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Saving not so bad news for last
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http://nflspinzone.com/2014/11/14/arian-foster-sunday-vs-browns/
Arian Foster Is OUT on Sunday vs Brownsby Ernie Padaon

23m agoHouston Texans RB Arian Foster suffered a groin injury and will not be able to play this weekend against the Cleveland Browns. Alfred Blue will take the starting role for the team.

Arian Foster will be out on Sunday against the Cleveland Browns because of a groin injury.

Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock Follow

UPDATE: Arian Foster is OUT for Sunday's game against the Browns.

10:02 AM - 14 Nov 2014
That is a huge break for the Cleveland Browns, who will be looking to defend their top spot in the AFC North. This will be their first game since taking the top spot in the North and they will be looking to knock off the Texans in their first chance to hold it down.

With Foster out, the Texans will hand the ball off to Alfred Blue to take the carries on Sunday. Nice little break for the Browns. This will be a nice game for the Browns to get a win to keep the pressure on everyone else in the division.

That is an article from Sports Illustrated's Spin Zone, couldn't quote because quotes were imbedded in the article. I guess you are owning the author of that article or that you are sadly desperate to troll so hope you feel better.

 

[MAC_32]

It's the latter.

 

[z14jcb]

I figured the highlighted was an arrogant Browns fan overlooking the Texans.

Not sad or desperate, I actually feel pretty great, I do appreciate your concern.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I figured the highlighted was an arrogant Browns fan overlooking the Texans.

Not sad or desperate, I actually feel pretty great, I do appreciate your concern.

I figured a sad arrogant Texan fan was trolling so I'm happy you are not a sad pathetic troll. You're just pathetic.

 

[z14jcb]

Oh, I agree.. I am actually having a conversation with a pathetic browns fan! Thanks for the wakeup call, things are going to turn around for me, starting...........NOW.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Oh, I agree.. I am actually having a conversation with a pathetic browns fan! Thanks for the wakeup call, things are going to turn around for me, starting...........NOW.

Glad to hear it keep us informed and the more you inform us the more we'll know about your progress going forward.

 

[Soulfly3]

Man, Gilbert didnt even play a single defensive snap yesterday.

Makes me even angrier now that we passed on both Watkins, or more importantly, Evans...

Sure, he's gotten better as the season progressed, but not enough, and now he's seemingly in the doghouse since he wasnt listed as injured all week

 

[MAC_32]

Man, Gilbert didnt even play a single defensive snap yesterday.

Makes me even angrier now that we passed on both Watkins, or more importantly, Evans...

Sure, he's gotten better as the season progressed, but not enough, and now he's seemingly in the doghouse since he wasnt listed as injured all week

K'Waun Williams was great yesterday.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Our great 4th round pick Pierre Desir hasn't played in a game all season. Is he that bad compared to everyone else?

 

[B-Deep]

The discussion on Hoyer and Manziel is the biggest one that really hasn't been discussed because we were/are in the thick of a legit playoff run and everyone was anticipating the impact that WR Josh Gordon would have but considering we've lost three defensive linemen to IR and yesterday lost two starting linebackers added to the huge loss of C Alex Mack on offense it means we can't stop the run and really were not stopping the run all year and on offense out ability to run the ball is hurt.

We know last year Gordon placed incredibly but we still finished with a terrible record so his impact may not mean as much as the injuries we've suffered meaning our playoff run may not pan out so the biggest question bubbles to the surface.

Do we go forward with Hoyer or Manziel?

We've seen Hoyer without great receiving weapons and with a great running game and with running game that doesn't have Alex Mack and here is a stat to show how much Mack means to the run game.

- With Alex Mack: 165 carries, 732 yards (4.4 YPC)

- Without Alex Mack: 159 carries, 386 yards (2.4 YPC)

I love Hoyer but we have actually seen what he can and can't do.

We don't know about Manziel, what he can or can't do with the same team.

So if we find ourselves out of playoff contention the biggest question will remain. Hoyer or Manziel and we can't make that call until we see Manziel.

Right now, we're still in it and Hoyer is the guy AND we get to see him with Josh Gordon.

Just not as confident considering all of the defensive injuries and the tough AFC playoff race.

based on how good Hoyer has looked the thought of ditching him for Manziel is amazing to me

Everyone doesn't agree on how "good" Hoyer has looked. With the Browns currently in the mix and getting Gordon back, I'm perfectly fine letting Hoyer guide this ship. He's just not special IMO. The other guy might be...and I think I'm safe in saying JFF has the much higher ceiling of the two. That doesn't mean Hoyer won't ultimately be better, because JFF has a bigger bust factor, while Hoyer is your very average manager.

Well then I encourage this team to take the most promising season it has had in decades and discard it on the hopes that Johnny Football is a savior. The grass is always greener, I suppose

 

[MAC_32]

Our great 4th round pick Pierre Desir hasn't played in a game all season. Is he that bad compared to everyone else?

From what I understood, he was never expected to have a role this year; big learning curve.

 

[Bobcat10]

The discussion on Hoyer and Manziel is the biggest one that really hasn't been discussed because we were/are in the thick of a legit playoff run and everyone was anticipating the impact that WR Josh Gordon would have but considering we've lost three defensive linemen to IR and yesterday lost two starting linebackers added to the huge loss of C Alex Mack on offense it means we can't stop the run and really were not stopping the run all year and on offense out ability to run the ball is hurt.

We know last year Gordon placed incredibly but we still finished with a terrible record so his impact may not mean as much as the injuries we've suffered meaning our playoff run may not pan out so the biggest question bubbles to the surface.

Do we go forward with Hoyer or Manziel?

We've seen Hoyer without great receiving weapons and with a great running game and with running game that doesn't have Alex Mack and here is a stat to show how much Mack means to the run game.

- With Alex Mack: 165 carries, 732 yards (4.4 YPC)

- Without Alex Mack: 159 carries, 386 yards (2.4 YPC)

I love Hoyer but we have actually seen what he can and can't do.

We don't know about Manziel, what he can or can't do with the same team.

So if we find ourselves out of playoff contention the biggest question will remain. Hoyer or Manziel and we can't make that call until we see Manziel.

Right now, we're still in it and Hoyer is the guy AND we get to see him with Josh Gordon.

Just not as confident considering all of the defensive injuries and the tough AFC playoff race.

based on how good Hoyer has looked the thought of ditching him for Manziel is amazing to me

Everyone doesn't agree on how "good" Hoyer has looked. With the Browns currently in the mix and getting Gordon back, I'm perfectly fine letting Hoyer guide this ship. He's just not special IMO. The other guy might be...and I think I'm safe in saying JFF has the much higher ceiling of the two. That doesn't mean Hoyer won't ultimately be better, because JFF has a bigger bust factor, while Hoyer is your very average manager.

Well then I encourage this team to take the most promising season it has had in decades and discard it on the hopes that Johnny Football is a savior. The grass is always greener, I suppose

Who said to discard anything?

 

[Bobcat10]

Our great 4th round pick Pierre Desir hasn't played in a game all season. Is he that bad compared to everyone else?

From what I understood, he was never expected to have a role this year; big learning curve.

And he dealt with some injuries early on that are never good for a rookie...let alone one that didn't play major college football. I'd rather see "healthy scratch" the rest of the year for him than "Out-knee" or whatever. Hopefully he's working hard.

 

[nxmehta]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 2h2 hours ago
Huge blow to the #Browns to lose Dansby for possibly upwards of a month and Jabaal Sheard likely for the season. Sheard involves foot bone

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Soulfly3]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 2h2 hours ago
Huge blow to the #Browns to lose Dansby for possibly upwards of a month and Jabaal Sheard likely for the season. Sheard involves foot bone

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

perfect opportunity to show whether our team has balls or not.

you wanna get to the playoffs... hell, you wanna go deep in the playoffs, you gotta overcome this crap

 

[MAC_32]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 2h2 hours ago

Huge blow to the #Browns to lose Dansby for possibly upwards of a month and Jabaal Sheard likely for the season. Sheard involves foot bone

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

perfect opportunity to show whether our team has balls or not.

you wanna get to the playoffs... hell, you wanna go deep in the playoffs, you gotta overcome this crap

yep, too bad they put Hughes on short term ir though. Word has it he is ready. Big spot for Mingo and Kirskey coming up.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Losing Mack hurt big time. Now all the defenders are going down.

Gordon will help the offense along with Cameron when he returns.

No clue how the D will be very good now. Got run over after Dansby went down.

 

[amnesiac]

lol @ Tate

i freaking love this staff.