Cleveland Browns (6 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

Addicted to stupid

 

[ghostguy123]

MAC, why the F did they draft this ###### and not Teddy?

 

[MAC_32]

MAC, why the F did they draft this ###### and not Teddy?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I think we have to give him every benefit of doubt on this latest development. Its too easy to be cynical but if he's sincere its the only positive step he's taken since joining the team.

And why did we draft him?

I don't think we can place the blame on Farmer no matter how many denials he makes.

Remember this?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/08/browns-spent-100000-on-advanced-study-of-quarterbacks/

Browns spent $100,000 on advanced study of quarterbacksPosted by Michael David Smith on May 8, 2014, 12:52 PM EST

As the Cleveland Browns continue to search for a quarterback who would be worth the eight-figure salary that a franchise passer commands, they’ve spent a six-figure sum on trying to identify the best way to choose a quarterback.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, the Browns commissioned a study of the quarterback position that cost $100,000 and entailed a great deal of research into which qualities go into success at the most important position in football. The study began under former team President Joe Banner and was only recently completed, after Banner left.

The study, which used advanced analytics to examine every quarterback who has played in the last two decades, concluded that the best quarterback in this year’s draft is Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville.

What we don’t know is how much stock the current decision makers put in the study. If Banner thought it was useful but current General Manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine think the study is a bunch of hooey, then Browns owner Jimmy Haslam basically flushed $100,000 down the toilet.

(Maybe he can make it up by withholding $100,000 worth of rebates from Pilot Flying J customers.) But if the Browns’ brass believes in the study, keep an eye on Bridgewater when the Browns’ second first-round pick comes up, at No. 26.

I was shocked that we not only didn't take Teddy but that we moved-up for Manziel.

WKNR just said that Manziel turned down a six figure payday to host a Super Bowl party so I think the kid is sincere about this rehab.

The big question is if some incident tripped this announcement that we don't know about right now but will come to light in a few months.

Right now I back Manziel for this decision.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Grossi is the only one tweeting this but he claims by entering rehab that action places Johnny in stage 1 of the NFL substance abuse program, err that is assuming that he wasn't already in stage 1.

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Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 18m 18 minutes ago

By entering treatment facility, Johnny Manziel will be referred to Stage 1 of NFL substance abuse program, per terms of league policy.
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I don't know what sort of frequency of testing that entails but it will mean he won't be able to exceed NFL thresholds for substances and obviously he'll get tested much more frequently so we 'should not' see the sorts of things in the media that we have been accustomed to.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Brief video discussion of report of insider within the organization talking about the Browns moving-up for Mariota.

Go to the link to hear the report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2352092-insider-buzz-manziel-uncertainty-leaves-browns-considering-trade-for-mariota

nsider Buzz: Manziel Uncertainty Leaves Browns Considering Trade for Mariota By Team Stream Now, B/R Video Feb 3, 2015

 

[amnesiac]

i wouldn't be shocked if Manziel wasn't already in at least Stage 1.

 

[ghostguy123]

That would be an incredibly stupid league policy to automatically place someone in stage 1 if they enter rehab.

I can easily see guys with problems delaying treatment because they don't want to be entered into the league substance program where there is zilch for any sort of tolerance.

Wow the league is so stupid.

 

[ghostguy123]

MAC, why the F did they draft this ###### and not Teddy?

cmon banananananana.

 

[nxmehta]

Have you guys read this La Canfora article? Holy hell is it damaging.

I know that this guy is a Lombardi shill, but he has lots of inside quotes. Where there's smoke there's fire. We are in trouble...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25038103/browns-mess-with-gordon-manziel-starts-with-owner-haslams-mismanagement

 

[ghostguy123]

Have you guys read this La Canfora article? Holy hell is it damaging.

I know that this guy is a Lombardi shill, but he has lots of inside quotes. Where there's smoke there's fire. We are in trouble...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25038103/browns-mess-with-gordon-manziel-starts-with-owner-haslams-mismanagement

We are in trouble?? We have been in trouble for 20 years.

 

[amnesiac]

i've long maintained that Haslam was behind the Manziel pick.

and in some ways, it was a good business decision. they sold a ton of jerseys. and if you prescribe to the "any publicity is good publicity" school of thought, they've more than made their money back.

but i'm hopeful Haslam has learned his lesson and will back off on the football decisions.

 

[Bobcat10]

Some damning stuff in there, no doubt.....but considering his sources (which are pretty obvious), I'm sure plenty of that article is a tad bit overblown.

Soulfly, who we drafting?

 

[Old Smiley]

Go Browns!

 

[amnesiac]

no idea how accurate the old pick value chart is anymore, but the Browns could move up to almost #3 with the #12 and #19 on the one i looked at.

 

[amnesiac]

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=41921

this is the most i have ever agreed with Grossi.

i'd resign Miles Austin too.

 

[ghostguy123]

no idea how accurate the old pick value chart is anymore, but the Browns could move up to almost #3 with the #12 and #19 on the one i looked at.

Always thought that chart was totally worthless and any GM actually using it is incompetent.

 

[amnesiac]

no idea how accurate the old pick value chart is anymore, but the Browns could move up to almost #3 with the #12 and #19 on the one i looked at.

Always thought that chart was totally worthless and any GM actually using it is incompetent.

well that plus the new rookie wage scale has altered the value of the picks anyway.

 

[pizzatyme]

I think most coaches and GMs are robots and refer to charts WAY too much for things like this, when to punt, going for 2, etc. They're the "experts" and it's a big reason why guys like Belichick and Carroll are more successful.

Look at the Packers coach as exhibit A this year against the Seahawks.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Interesting developments.

- Rumors indicate the Browns are interested in QB Marcus Mariota.

- Kevin O'Connell is the QB coach Pettine wants to replace Dowell Loggains. It has been widely reported O'Connell will join the team but he hasn't officially joined the team yet due to a commitment to help prepare Marcus Mariota for the draft. Once he fulfills that commitment he will officially join the team.

- If we are interested in moving up for Mariota and if things go to plan then O'Connell becomes our QB coach and then we will hold an inside edge on other teams who might be interested in Mariota.

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Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer Follow

(cont) ... Mariota has been doing QB drills with Kevin O'Connell since mid-January. O'Connell will join the Browns staff as QBs coach soon.

9:21 AM - 10 Feb 2015
Albert BreerVerified account ‏@AlbertBreer 3h3 hours ago

Browns GM Ray Farmer has shown a liking for Mariota. Cleveland has the 12th, 19th overall picks. Obv, Farmer will get good intel from KOC.

Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer Follow

One quick note on O'Connell: He's not been officially hired by Browns yet. He's finishing his prior commitments (one being Mariota) first.

9:28 AM - 10 Feb 2015
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000469729/article/cleveland-browns-zeroing-in-on-marcus-mariota

Cleveland Browns zeroing in on Marcus Mariota?

...NFL Media's Albert Breer noted Tuesday that Browns general manager Ray Farmer has "shown a liking" for Oregon prospect Marcus Mariota.

The link to Cleveland doesn't end there. Mariota has been preparing for the draft since mid-January with Kevin O'Connell, who was recently named to Mike Pettine's staff as quarterbacks coach. O'Connell hasn't officially joined the team yet, allowing him to finish his prior commitments, including his work with Mariota.

O'Connell -- who also worked with Johnny Manziel prior to last year's draft -- will arrive in Cleveland with plenty of information for Farmer on the development of Mariota.

What might it cost if O'Connell provides some inside info that hints Mariota would be worth drafting or moving-up for?

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/02/10/marcus-mariota-strongly-linked-cleveland-browns/

... we believe Mariota will fall in this draft, based on the past as well as whispers coming out already. While many point to the Browns needing to trade up into the Top 5, even Top 2, to get him, it is more likely that they have to worry about the New York Jets at 6 or the St. Louis Rams at 10 the most. We will cover a Mock Draft later that has Mariota falling to #12.

Mariota may not be Andrew Luck, but who is. Fans either want a sure thing, like Luck, in the first round or want the Browns to wait and draft a developmental guy in later rounds. Scarcity, as well as Mariota’s base talent level, makes that a poor choice. We won’t advocate for trading both first rounders to move up for Mariota but a realistic trade to jump up a few spots, say to #9, makes a lot of sense.

Hmnnn.

What do you guys/gals think?

 

[amnesiac]

Interesting developments.

- Rumors indicate the Browns are interested in QB Marcus Mariota.

- Kevin O'Connell is the QB coach Pettine wants to replace Dowell Loggains. It has been widely reported O'Connell will join the team but he hasn't officially joined the team yet due to a commitment to help prepare Marcus Mariota for the draft. Once he fulfills that commitment he will officially join the team.

- If we are interested in moving up for Mariota and if things go to plan then O'Connell becomes our QB coach and then we will hold an inside edge on other teams who might be interested in Mariota.

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Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer Follow

(cont) ... Mariota has been doing QB drills with Kevin O'Connell since mid-January. O'Connell will join the Browns staff as QBs coach soon.

9:21 AM - 10 Feb 2015

Albert BreerVerified account ‏@AlbertBreer 3h3 hours ago

Browns GM Ray Farmer has shown a liking for Mariota. Cleveland has the 12th, 19th overall picks. Obv, Farmer will get good intel from KOC.

Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer Follow

One quick note on O'Connell: He's not been officially hired by Browns yet. He's finishing his prior commitments (one being Mariota) first.

9:28 AM - 10 Feb 2015

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000469729/article/cleveland-browns-zeroing-in-on-marcus-mariota

Cleveland Browns zeroing in on Marcus Mariota?

...NFL Media's Albert Breer noted Tuesday that Browns general manager Ray Farmer has "shown a liking" for Oregon prospect Marcus Mariota.

The link to Cleveland doesn't end there. Mariota has been preparing for the draft since mid-January with Kevin O'Connell, who was recently named to Mike Pettine's staff as quarterbacks coach. O'Connell hasn't officially joined the team yet, allowing him to finish his prior commitments, including his work with Mariota.

O'Connell -- who also worked with Johnny Manziel prior to last year's draft -- will arrive in Cleveland with plenty of information for Farmer on the development of Mariota.

What might it cost if O'Connell provides some inside info that hints Mariota would be worth drafting or moving-up for?

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/02/10/marcus-mariota-strongly-linked-cleveland-browns/

... we believe Mariota will fall in this draft, based on the past as well as whispers coming out already. While many point to the Browns needing to trade up into the Top 5, even Top 2, to get him, it is more likely that they have to worry about the New York Jets at 6 or the St. Louis Rams at 10 the most. We will cover a Mock Draft later that has Mariota falling to #12.

Mariota may not be Andrew Luck, but who is. Fans either want a sure thing, like Luck, in the first round or want the Browns to wait and draft a developmental guy in later rounds. Scarcity, as well as Mariotas base talent level, makes that a poor choice. We wont advocate for trading both first rounders to move up for Mariota but a realistic trade to jump up a few spots, say to #9, makes a lot of sense.

Hmnnn.

What do you guys/gals think?

haven't done a lot of homework on him, but it would be worth a shot. especially if they don't trade both 1st rounders.

 

[MAC_32]

Needs more doom and gloom.

 

[Bobcat10]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

 

[amnesiac]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8. trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

 

[MAC_32]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8. trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

Can we trade Haslem, Schiener, and Farmer instead?

 

[amnesiac]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8. trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

Can we trade Haslem, Schiener, and Farmer instead?

nope. just gotta hope they learned something from last year.

 

[ghostguy123]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8.trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

This is not a team that should ever trade their future 1st. Ever.

Only time to even consider is if there is a some Luck type prospect at QB.

Right now, there is not

 

[amnesiac]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8.trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

This is not a team that should ever trade their future 1st. Ever.

Only time to even consider is if there is a some Luck type prospect at QB.

Right now, there is not

they flushed a first on Manziel. i'd have no problem spending next year's first on a legit QB prospect.

but like i said, haven't watched any film on these QBs yet.

 

[MAC_32]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8. trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

Can we trade Haslem, Schiener, and Farmer instead?

nope. just gotta hope they learned something from last year.

Then no trade up's. Need quantity. Once they rebuild trust they can start rolling dice again.

 

[amnesiac]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8. trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

Can we trade Haslem, Schiener, and Farmer instead?

nope. just gotta hope they learned something from last year.

Then no trade up's. Need quantity. Once they rebuild trust they can start rolling dice again.

well they traded down last time. they just need to make better picks. doesn't matter how they get there.

 

[ghostguy123]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8.trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

This is not a team that should ever trade their future 1st. Ever.

Only time to even consider is if there is a some Luck type prospect at QB.

Right now, there is not

they flushed a first on Manziel.i'd have no problem spending next year's first on a legit QB prospect.

but like i said, haven't watched any film on these QBs yet.

If we can't move up for one of these QBs without giving our 2016 1st, then no thanks.

yeah they flushed a 1st on manziel but it was a pick in the 20s. I could easily see this team stink it up at QB for an entire year and get a top 3 pick

 

[amnesiac]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8.trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

This is not a team that should ever trade their future 1st. Ever.

Only time to even consider is if there is a some Luck type prospect at QB.

Right now, there is not

they flushed a first on Manziel.i'd have no problem spending next year's first on a legit QB prospect.

but like i said, haven't watched any film on these QBs yet.

If we can't move up for one of these QBs without giving our 2016 1st, then no thanks.

yeah they flushed a 1st on manziel but it was a pick in the 20s. I could easily see this team stink it up at QB for an entire year and get a top 3 pick

they went 7-9 with a ton of injuries. i will go on record now that there is no way they have a top 5 pick next year.

 

[ghostguy123]

they went 7-9 with a ton of injuries.i will go on record now that there is no way they have a top 5 pick next year.

Losing the last 5 mainly due to terrible QB play.

I will go on record that if we have terrible QB play like that all year we will DEFINITELY be picking in the top 5

 

[Biabreakable]

I find it hard to fathom getting Mariotta and still having one of the 1sts (likely 19). Were gonna need both to get into the top 6 unless the team wants to gamble on our 2016 1st. Might not be a bad bet either.

imo, IF they stay healthy, with Hoyer plus Mariotta, they're easy 8-8.trading next year's first might not be a bad move.

Can we trade Haslem, Schiener, and Farmer instead?

nope. just gotta hope they learned something from last year.

Then no trade up's. Need quantity. Once they rebuild trust they can start rolling dice again.

How many years would it take for the Cleveland Browns front office to rebuild enough trust to start rolling the dice again?

1999 1 Tim Couch * QB Kentucky
2000 1 Courtney Brown * DE Penn State
2001 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida
2002 16 William Green RB Boston College
2003 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
2004 6 Kellen Winslow II TE Miami (Florida)
2005 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
2006 13 Kamerion Wimbley LB Florida State
2007 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
2008 — No Pick — —
2009 21 Alex Mack C California
2010 7 Joe Haden CB Florida
2011 21 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
2012 3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
2013 6 Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU
2014 8 Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State 22 Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M

 

[MAC_32]

Eleventy billion dollars

 

[amnesiac]

they went 7-9 with a ton of injuries.

i will go on record now that there is no way they have a top 5 pick next year.

Losing the last 5 mainly due to terrible QB play.

I will go on record that if we have terrible QB play like that all year we will DEFINITELY be picking in the top 5

i'm assuming they don't let Manziel play. if he's the starter they could pick first overall.

 

[pizzatyme]

Guys, how do you see the backfield production being split next year?

 

[MAC_32]

Guys, how do you see the backfield production being split next year?

http://jeffreysboldlygoingnowhere.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Feeling-lucky.png

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Latest development that PFT is actually spot-on for a change.

As noted, O'Connell is in the bag but not officially hired by the team yet. He is tutoring Mariota for the NFL draft.

Obvious to anyone that the Cleveland Browns hold a competitive advantage over every other NFL team with inside information gained by O'Connell on Mariota which leads us to PFT this morning.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/11/marcus-mariota-being-tutored-by-coach-the-browns-are-hiring/

Marcus Mariota being tutored by coach the Browns are hiringPosted by Darin Gantt on February 11, 2015, 7:47 AM EST

As part of the latest collective bargaining agreement, strict limits were placed on the amount of and type of work NFL coaches could do with players in the offseason.

Of course, if they aren’t exactly NFL coaches or NFL players yet, it seems there’s a loophole.

...Although dragging their feet to announce the hiring of his personal tutor might also be the coaching equivalent of text messages from the press box, something that others might take a dim view of, in the interest of competitive balance.

When I first saw what was happening I wondered why we hadn't simply hired O'Connell and figured he could not be our QB coach AND be tutoring draft prospects since it could be viewed as tampering or something along those lines.

FWIW I am more concerned with O'Connell falling in love with some prospect that he simply bonds with or develops and affinity towards over the impartial and professional scouts who get to look at all QB prospects over the years providing them with context.

Also I was hoping for some football takes on Mariota, what you guys/gals think of his game, what you've seen and liked or disliked.

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Other topic, how much would it cost to move-up?

Probably not as much as most would assume.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25064985/are-the-browns-really-interested-in-drafting-marcus-mariota

He could help convince the Browns to move up, which doesn't sound like a difficult proposition if Farmer's an enamored of Mariota as reports would lead you to believe. There are quarterback needy teams in the top 5 of this draft, but one of those picks can be had for a reasonable cost coming up from 12.

And one of the teams picking ahead of us has calculated how much they 'might' reasonably be able to get from us to move-up.

It does not sound like we would have to give-up both first round picks.

http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/browns-maybe-eyeing-mariota-possible-trade-partner-redskins

Browns maybe eyeing Mariota; possible trade partner with Redskins?



...If you go by the draft trade chart the Browns would be overpaying by giving up No. 12 (1,200 points) and 19 (875) to move up to the Redskins five hole spot (1,700). Maybe Cleveland would pay a premium for the spot if there is competition for it. Or perhaps some other picks could be swapped to even things out. In any case, if the two parties are motivated there is a deal that could be done.

I'm just not sold on Mariota and was wondering your football takes/insights on what you see of Marcus Mariota.

Matt Waldman has a done a really in-depth film study of him and he is very critical. In a recent Football Outsiders article he said that if Mariota was in a better QB draft class that he would only rate a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

Here is the link to his in-depth nearly two hour breakdown of Mariota's game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWqZ_A87Qw8

RSP Film Room No.25: QB Marcus Marota

Streamed live on Jan 24, 2015
Waldman does a solo session on the Heisman winner and revisits some college tape to answer reader questions.

 

[Soulfly3]

Some damning stuff in there, no doubt.....but considering his sources (which are pretty obvious), I'm sure plenty of that article is a tad bit overblown.

Soulfly, who we drafting?

when I hear something Ill let you guys know.

was right again last year, until the Bills stepped in last minute.

 

[amnesiac]

Some damning stuff in there, no doubt.....but considering his sources (which are pretty obvious), I'm sure plenty of that article is a tad bit overblown.

Soulfly, who we drafting?

when I hear something Ill let you guys know.

was right again last year, until the Bills stepped in last minute.

yes, you were right until you were wrong.

 

[Soulfly3]

Some damning stuff in there, no doubt.....but considering his sources (which are pretty obvious), I'm sure plenty of that article is a tad bit overblown.

Soulfly, who we drafting?

when I hear something Ill let you guys know.

was right again last year, until the Bills stepped in last minute.

yes, you were right until you were wrong.

Yes, that's what I said.

But Pettine publicly admitted what the pick was, until Buffalo came into the frame.

No way we could have turned them down

 

[MAC_32]

Trade was great.

What we have done with it so far, not so much.

I wasn't ever on board with Gilbert, but I'd be lying if I said I thought it'd be even close to that bad.

Not gonna go hind sight and say they should have picked OBJ since I wasn't completely sold on him pre draft (oops), but it burns reading they were trying to trade back up to get him then seeing what he did this year.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Some damning stuff in there, no doubt.....but considering his sources (which are pretty obvious), I'm sure plenty of that article is a tad bit overblown.

Soulfly, who we drafting?

when I hear something Ill let you guys know.

was right again last year, until the Bills stepped in last minute.

yes, you were right until you were wrong.

Yes, that's what I said.

But Pettine publicly admitted what the pick was, until Buffalo came into the frame.

No way we could have turned them down

Check out the linked video. Its footage from the Bills war room on draft day.

I posted this last June and it shows how the trade for WR Sammy Watkins went down on draft day.

I think Farmer was a little more aggressive on his end rather than sitting back waiting for Buffalo to phone. Ray actually called him after the first pick and then he called again after Jacksonville made the third pick so I don't think the plan all along was to draft Watkins, I think we wanted to trade-down.

The video makes it clear we were actively trying to trade-down.

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 03:48 PM

{C}MUST SEE VIDEO from the Bills perspective of the deal that went down for them to trade-up to the Browns pick to land WR Sammy Watkins.

The Bills were working the phones with every team starting with Houston.

The interesting thing is that when the Bills were on the phone with the Texans they got a call from Farmer and Ray stated the parameters of the deal that eventually went down.

The Bills then tried working deals with St. Louis and Jacksonville and then when they were on the phone with us Ray told them he had another deal he was pondering so the reports of us fielding an offer from Atlanta but turning it down seem legit and the fact we were the ones to call Buffalo indicates that the plan all along was to trade-down and apparently take CB Justin Gilbert.

Interesting video and dramatic enough to be entertaining reality TV.

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Bills_Focus_Inside_Buffalos_Draft_Room/b37321a3-5a95-4c80-b662-46ed9aa57696

Posted:

May 12, 2014 Bills Focus: Inside Buffalo's Draft RoomGo inside Buffalo's draft room and see exactly how things played out for the Bills during the 2014 NFL Draft.

 

[Old Smiley]

One thing shaping up I don't like. On my twitter timeline and stuff, a lot of quotes from Haslam. Face of the franchise owner.

 

[Bobcat10]

Who complained when we had an owner that cared 2 ####s about the Browns and enjoyed England and his futbol team more?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Take it with a huge grain of salt but two shaky sources tweeting something might be brewing.

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Incarcerated Bob IBN @incarceratedbob · 2h 2 hours ago

NFL Rumors (Part 2) up tonight stay alert.. #Teaser Jets and Browns talking TRADE! yes it's heating up in this cold weather (QB's)
DYST Cleveland‏@DYST_Cleveland 35m35 minutes ago

FULL STORY: Browns are considering a trade with the Jets in an effort to draft Marcus Mariota: http://dystnow.com/2015/02/17/browns-and-jets-trade-speculation/ …

DYST Cleveland @DYST_Cleveland · 2h 2 hours ago

Full story coming on the Browns and Jets trade talks coming momentarily.
DYST Cleveland @DYST_Cleveland · 2h 2 hours ago

Source: Browns are interested in trading picks 12 and 19 to the Jets for their 6th overall selection, in hopes that Mariota is available.
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[Old Smiley]

Jeez guys. Sit with Hoyer for a while and find out who you even are.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Jeez guys. Sit with Hoyer for a while and find out who you even are.

We're a team that needs an NFL starting-caliber QB which Hoyer isn't.

 

[Peak]

Ugh....say it isn't so....

PFT Report: Browns showing interest in Josh McCownThe Browns have vowed to look high, low and everywhere in between for quarterback options this offseason and Josh McCown is looking for a job after being released by the Buccaneers.

To little surprise, it looks like those two paths will cross. Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns have expressed interest in McCown’s services. They have not yet set up a visit with the veteran quarterback, but could do so soon.

McCown worked with new Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo in 2007 when DeFilippo was the Raiders’ quarterbacks coach. McCown started seven games for Oakland that year, throwing nine touchdowns and 10 interceptions, and Cabot reports that the two men enjoyed working together that season.

McCown has visited the Bills and is expected to meet with at least one team in Indianapolis during the combine before making other visits as he weighs his options around the league. As the only quarterback currently on the open market who could be a starter in 2015, McCown should have several such options available to him.