Cleveland Browns (7 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

There's a line, but if we don't trade for Mariota then this season is more or less lost before it starts.

I support just about any trade for him and I'll be irate if someone else trades for him and pays anything less than two one's.

Expensive mulligan for not drafting Bridgewater, but, wins.

Here we go again. mac loves the qbs and i dont.Let the games begin

Sorry, I forget, you didn't like Teddy?

Not at pick 4 i didnt. The later first sureI only want to trade the farm to move up if there is an obvious stud talent. Mariotta isnt that. Neither was anyone last year.

Winston is, but he is an immature dumbo.

 

[mr fancypants]

If we trade 12/19 and our 2016 1st to get Mariotta, I am likely to murder the closest person to me when I hear the news.

i agree, but what about the 1.12 and their second round pick to trade up to the 1.6 if he's still on the board?

It's still going to cost you both #12 & #19 because it's Marriota and there will be other teams after him at that spot.

 

[ghostguy123]

If we trade 12/19 and our 2016 1st to get Mariotta, I am likely to murder the closest person to me when I hear the news.

i agree, but what about the 1.12 and their second round pick to trade up to the 1.6 if he's still on the board?

It's still going to cost you both #12 & #19 because it's Marriota and there will be other teams after him at that spot.

I don't want Mariotta.

If he was there at 12 and we took him, I won't fault the team too much, but I wouldnt like the pick.

Trading up for him is a big NO IMO

 

[Bob Magaw]

Incidentally, after checking the trade chart, the 1.12 and 2.11 would be in the ball park for the WAS 1.5 or NYJ 1.6 pick, if it comes to that. Mariota might be doable if he drops to that region (and TEN doesn't take him at 1.2 or trade with a team like SD that can offer Rivers), with CLE still being able to retain the 1.19.

 

[ghostguy123]

Incidentally, after checking the trade chart, the 1.12 and 2.11 would be in the ball park for the WAS 1.5 or NYJ 1.6 pick, if it comes to that. Mariota might be doable if he drops to that region (and TEN doesn't take him at 1.2 or trade with a team like SD that can offer Rivers), with CLE still being able to retain the 1.19.

The only way I see that trade happening is if the other teams don't want to move up for Mariotta.

In which case, we would just get him at 12.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Good point, though not sure the Rams wouldn't take him at 1.10.

Foles is only signed through 2015, was hurt all three seasons and played great in 2013, but not as well in 2014, so they may want to hedge their bets. But a prospect like Cooper, White or Scherff could fall to 1.10, and I am hopeful about Foles, so not too keen on moving up, either, I can certainly relate to your position. If not for having Foles on the roster, I'd probably be more amenable to it. At least with two picks in the first, you have options, whether moving up or staying put, so that is a good place to be in the draft. Good luck with the pick/s.

 

[ghostguy123]

I just don't want mariotta, and trading up for him will anger me.

Trading both 1sts will cause me to hit things.

Trading both 1sts and our 2016 1st, and well, you will see me on the news the next morning.

 

[amnesiac]

Incidentally, after checking the trade chart, the 1.12 and 2.11 would be in the ball park for the WAS 1.5 or NYJ 1.6 pick, if it comes to that. Mariota might be doable if he drops to that region (and TEN doesn't take him at 1.2 or trade with a team like SD that can offer Rivers), with CLE still being able to retain the 1.19.

i did check the chart but thanks for confirming. and i agree, if they want Mariotta they will likely need to jump ahead of a few other teams which is why i chose the Jets, although the Redskins may want to move down after giving up so many picks in the RG3 trade.

 

[jurb26]

Incidentally, after checking the trade chart, the 1.12 and 2.11 would be in the ball park for the WAS 1.5 or NYJ 1.6 pick, if it comes to that. Mariota might be doable if he drops to that region (and TEN doesn't take him at 1.2 or trade with a team like SD that can offer Rivers), with CLE still being able to retain the 1.19.

i did check the chart but thanks for confirming. and i agree, if they want Mariotta they will likely need to jump ahead of a few other teams which is why i chose the Jets, although the Redskins may want to move down after giving up so many picks in the RG3 trade.

Why not just trade for RG3?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If we trade 12/19 and our 2016 1st to get Mariotta, I am likely to murder the closest person to me when I hear the news.

i agree, but what about the 1.12 and their second round pick to trade up to the 1.6 if he's still on the board?

It's still going to cost you both #12 & #19 because it's Marriota and there will be other teams after him at that spot.

I don't want Mariotta.

If he was there at 12 and we took him, I won't fault the team too much, but I wouldnt like the pick.

Trading up for him is a big NO IMO

Incidentally, after checking the trade chart, the 1.12 and 2.11 would be in the ball park for the WAS 1.5 or NYJ 1.6 pick, if it comes to that. Mariota might be doable if he drops to that region (and TEN doesn't take him at 1.2 or trade with a team like SD that can offer Rivers), with CLE still being able to retain the 1.19.

i did check the chart but thanks for confirming.and i agree, if they want Mariotta they will likely need to jump ahead of a few other teams which is why i chose the Jets, although the Redskins may want to move down after giving up so many picks in the RG3 trade.

Why not just trade for RG3?

We know that Washington would like to recoup some of the picks they blew on RG III deal that hasn't worked out for them.

We know that we tried to trade for QB Sam Bradford for the #19 pick 'allegedly'.

We know Chip loves QB Marcus Mariota but it would cost him his #20 pick his #52 pick and at least his 2016 first round pick and probably more to move-up and then what does he do with Bradford? Doesn't make sense with Bradford and too many draft picks to move-up.

What if Chip had gotten an offer from us for Bradford so he knows he use QB Sam Bradford and his #20 pick to move-up for our #12 pick and then he could complete a deal to move-up from the #12 pick for Mariota?

I'm not high on Bradford but it appears we made an offer of our #19 pick for him so if a deal like the above would go through we'd be sitting on back-to-back picks at #19 and #20 in the first round and would have addressed the QB position.

 

[Brownsfan]

If we trade 12/19 and our 2016 1st to get Mariotta, I am likely to murder the closest person to me when I hear the news.

i agree, but what about the 1.12 and their second round pick to trade up to the 1.6 if he's still on the board?

It's still going to cost you both #12 & #19 because it's Marriota and there will be other teams after him at that spot.

I don't want Mariotta.

If he was there at 12 and we took him, I won't fault the team too much, but I wouldnt like the pick.

Trading up for him is a big NO IMO

Incidentally, after checking the trade chart, the 1.12 and 2.11 would be in the ball park for the WAS 1.5 or NYJ 1.6 pick, if it comes to that. Mariota might be doable if he drops to that region (and TEN doesn't take him at 1.2 or trade with a team like SD that can offer Rivers), with CLE still being able to retain the 1.19.

i did check the chart but thanks for confirming.and i agree, if they want Mariotta they will likely need to jump ahead of a few other teams which is why i chose the Jets, although the Redskins may want to move down after giving up so many picks in the RG3 trade.

Why not just trade for RG3?

We know that Washington would like to recoup some of the picks they blew on RG III deal that hasn't worked out for them.

We know that we tried to trade for QB Sam Bradford for the #19 pick 'allegedly'.

We know Chip loves QB Marcus Mariota but it would cost him his #20 pick his #52 pick and at least his 2016 first round pick and probably more to move-up and then what does he do with Bradford? Doesn't make sense with Bradford and too many draft picks to move-up.

What if Chip had gotten an offer from us for Bradford so he knows he use QB Sam Bradford and his #20 pick to move-up for our #12 pick and then he could complete a deal to move-up from the #12 pick for Mariota?

I'm not high on Bradford but it appears we made an offer of our #19 pick for him so if a deal like the above would go through we'd be sitting on back-to-back picks at #19 and #20 in the first round and would have addressed the QB position.

The stuff I have read about Bradford indicates he was unwilling to sign a long term deal with the Browns. Can't see us renting him for a year.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The stuff I have read about Bradford indicates he was unwilling to sign a long term deal with the Browns. Can't see us renting him for a year.

Myth.

Sam Bradford hasn't signed an extension with the Eagles and the Eagles don't want to sign him to an extension. Why?

Because he's an injury risk and they are not going to put up long-term money should Sam suffer another injury.

Why doesn't Sam want to sign an extension?

He's already getting paid and he's betting on himself.

Absolutely ZERO TRUTH to the rumor Sam won't sign an extension with the Browns and that nixed a trade to Cleveland. This myth about Sam not wanting to sign an extension has already been dismissed by Grossi and others.

Nobody knows why Chip traded for Bradford. It has everyone scratching their heads and the speculation of the Eagles trading-up for Mariota hasn't gone away along with whispers that Bradford might be included in part of any trade-up package and the only team who has been mentioned expressing interest in trading for Bradford is Cleveland.

 

[Brownsfan]

I have read a lot of speculation from a lot of sources, hard to know what to believe this time of year

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nobody knows why Chip traded for Bradford.

Chip may actually like him and think he's getting in ahead of the market.

If the plan were to trade him to the Browns, they would have to think that Mariota could actually drop to 12, and that's only a slight chance.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Nobody knows why Chip traded for Bradford.

Chip may actually like him and think he's getting in ahead of the market.

If the plan were to trade him to the Browns, they would have to think that Mariota could actually drop to 12, and that's only a slight chance.

Kelly obviously likes Bradford because he not only traded a younger and less expensive QB who was successful and made the Pro Bowl after working very-well in his system but Chip hasn't denied he likes Mariota who would be, younger, cheaper, and who was hand picked by Chip to play in his offensive system.

When Chip traded away RB LeSean McCoy and then was able to pick up RB DeMarco Murray for less money it seemed like a great move that was applauded by everyone. But then he turned around and made the Bradford deal that seemed to wipe out the salary cap and logic of the move he made at running back.

I don't think Mariota would have to drop all the way to the 12th pick. I think its more likely that Browns GM Ray Farmer and Chip Kelly have talked about a scenario with a third team picking higher, like Washington, where if Mariota falls during the draft that Chip would leap frog up the board to the #12 trading away QB Sam Bradford and then only have to pay his first round pick next year and possibly his second this year (#52).

If he lands Mariota then Bradford's value to him is negated so trading him really isn't much of a cost. So his cost right now would only be the extra picks he would have to package together to move-up from #12 pick which would likely cost his 2016 1st round pick and probably a high pick this year, presuming his 2nd round pick (#52).

 

[daveR]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list. JF$ might prove himself a qualifier eventually, but the others have shown "something" at one time or another.

So... We'd all love a legit franchise guy. The 8-10 of them that exist aren't going anywhere however. Should we then be shooting for the Alex Smith, Andy Dalton level? Is that level a significant upgrade or is it just enough to get to 8-8? What's the right move?

 

[ghostguy123]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list. JF$ might prove himself a qualifier eventually, but the others have shown "something" at one time or another.

So... We'd all love a legit franchise guy. The 8-10 of them that exist aren't going anywhere however. Should we then be shooting for the Alex Smith, Andy Dalton level? Is that level a significant upgrade or is it just enough to get to 8-8? What's the right move?

The right move for the team is to go after a a QB who they think will be a stud, not waste valuable picks on guys to appease the fans.

 

[daveR]

Was poking around various mock drafts recently & ran across one that suggested something interesting. 1.12 SHOULD be pretty valuable for teams looking for DBs. He said Browns trade down!

 

[ghostguy123]

Was poking around various mock drafts recently & ran across one that suggested something interesting. 1.12 SHOULD be pretty valuable for teams looking for DBs. He said Browns trade down!

I am fine with this also, but only if the top WRs are gone. And only if it nets us another 2016 1st.

Rather use pick 19 for this though

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list.

ok

 

[mr fancypants]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list.

ok

I'm not following as well. The Browns conceivably may have the worst QB core in the NFL

 

[ghostguy123]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list.

ok

I'm not following as well. The Browns conceivably may have the worst QB core in the NFL

May?? They do

 

[daveR]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list.

ok

I'm not following as well. The Browns conceivably may have the worst QB core in the NFL

I thought the sentences that followed explained the premise, but I'll try to clarify. McCown showed some competence in Chicago; had a few good games. Conner Shaw looked competent in his only opportunity last season. Even ThaddyLew was okay in his cameo. Johnny looked ridiculous throwing the goal line int, but didn't otherwise suck.

Everyone wants an elite QB. That's not the question. The question is "How much of an upgrade is it between where we stand and the Alex Smith level?" Is THAT worth pursuing? Would you be "all set" at QB if you had him?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The concept of "another wasted season if nothing more is done at the QB position" has got me thinking... NONE of the four we have under contract qualifies for the SUX-list.

ok

I'm not following as well. The Browns conceivably may have the worst QB core in the NFL

I thought the sentences that followed explained the premise, but I'll try to clarify. McCown showed some competence in Chicago; had a few good games. Conner Shaw looked competent in his only opportunity last season. Even ThaddyLew was okay in his cameo. Johnny looked ridiculous throwing the goal line int, but didn't otherwise suck.

Everyone wants an elite QB. That's not the question. The question is "How much of an upgrade is it between where we stand and the Alex Smith level?" Is THAT worth pursuing? Would you be "all set" at QB if you had him?

Brian Sipe. One great year without a playoff win and other decent to so-so years. Zero playoff victories

Paul McDonald.

Bernie Kosar. Great teams surrounding him but couldn't get it done.

Testiverde. Won one playoff game.

We've seen the rest.

Why would anyone be happy with Alex Smith? So we can go 7-9 to 9-7 for a couple of years?

I don't see the point.

Nor do I see why people think Mariota is 'thee-guy'.

 

[amnesiac]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

 

[daveR]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

 

[amnesiac]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

maybe 10 years ago. but right now the rules seem to be so in favor of offense it seems like you need a top shelf QB to compete.

 

[amnesiac]

also Manziel will never even approach an Alex Smith-like career.

 

[Freelove]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

maybe 10 years ago. but right now the rules seem to be so in favor of offense it seems like you need a top shelf QB to compete.

What wins continues to be offense that minimizes mistakes. This year was dominated by one team that outran everyone else and relied on its D, and another that dinked and dunked its way to a title.Teams worrying that they can't compete if they don't get the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning have their eyes on the stat column instead of the win one.

Ball safety, defense, and coaching continues to be the most reliable recipe for success in today's NFL.

Alex Smith ain't gonna sell a lot of jerseys, but he's won at a .700 clip the last four years, since he transformed himself from a risk taker to a pure game manager. There are about 25 NFL QB's who would gladly take that.

Manziel can't be that guy, but lots of other QB's could, with smarter coaching and GMing.

 

[ghostguy123]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

maybe 10 years ago.but right now the rules seem to be so in favor of offense it seems like you need a top shelf QB to compete.

What wins continues to be offense that minimizes mistakes. This year was dominated by one team that outran everyone else and relied on its D, and another that dinked and dunked its way to a title.Teams worrying that they can't compete if they don't get the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning have their eyes on the stat column instead of the win one.

Ball safety, defense, and coaching continues to be the most reliable recipe for success in today's NFL.

Alex Smith ain't gonna sell a lot of jerseys, but he's won at a .700 clip the last four years, since he transformed himself from a risk taker to a pure game manager. There are about 25 NFL QB's who would gladly take that.

Manziel can't be that guy, but lots of other QB's could, with smarter coaching and GMing.

So all we have to do is hit on basically every draft pick, even 4th-7th rounders, retain those players through free agency, and win with a good but not great QB (that we still dont have)??

It would be fine if it played out that way, but I would rather do everything possible to get a stud QB whenever one presents itself. The kinda guy who leads the team to the playoffs every year, and then take my chances once we get there.

Neither is easy of course, but here in Cleveland I will say it will be harder to win with the Seattle method for a variety of reasons, most notably worse management and lack of desire for players to play/stay here.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

After Johnny's first start.

Well, that pretty much screws up any chance of trading JF$ for RGIII...

We drafted this guy?

Sigh...

Every year there's someone who is over-hyped & over-drafted. Why did it have to be us???

I wonder if Goldhammer was able to cop a feel before that guy punched him out?

From the media, local and national, just the headlines.

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_debut_cleveland_browns_bengals.html

Johnny Manziel's debut is a flop as Cleveland Browns are overpowered by Cincinnati Bengals, 30-0

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-aggies/20141214-johnny-fail-the-ugly-numbers-and-taunts-of-manziel-s-first-start-with-browns.ece

Texas A&M Aggies

December 14, 2014 04:01 PM CST December 14, 2014 04:53 PM CST Johnny Fail: The ugly numbers and taunts of Manziel's first start with Browns
Johnny Fail: The ugly numbers and taunts of Manziel's first start with Brownshttp://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/14/johnny-manziel-first-start-nfl-week-15-cincinnati-bengals-cleveland-browns

Johnny Manziel stumbles early, often in less than spectacular debut start

http://www.wsj.com/articles/johnny-footballs-deflating-debut-1418603883

Johnny Football Gets Deflated

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We had horrible QB last year, not just Johnny.

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Marc Sessler @MarcSesslerNFL · Apr 11

Three current Browns quarterbacks *combined* for a Total QBR of 55.6 last season. 17 QBs alone rated higher in 2014.

 

[MAC_32]

Kansas City fans would be thrilled if we took Check-Up Alex Smith away from them.

 

[amnesiac]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

maybe 10 years ago. but right now the rules seem to be so in favor of offense it seems like you need a top shelf QB to compete.

What wins continues to be offense that minimizes mistakes. This year was dominated by one team that outran everyone else and relied on its D, and another that dinked and dunked its way to a title.Teams worrying that they can't compete if they don't get the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning have their eyes on the stat column instead of the win one.

Ball safety, defense, and coaching continues to be the most reliable recipe for success in today's NFL.

Alex Smith ain't gonna sell a lot of jerseys, but he's won at a .700 clip the last four years, since he transformed himself from a risk taker to a pure game manager. There are about 25 NFL QB's who would gladly take that.

Manziel can't be that guy, but lots of other QB's could, with smarter coaching and GMing.

you're comparing Alex Smith to Tom Brady. is everyone in this thread trolling me at this point?

 

[jurb26]

Kansas City fans would be thrilled if we took Check-Up Alex Smith away from them.

No they wouldn't.

 

[MAC_32]

Kansas City fans would be thrilled if we took Check-Up Alex Smith away from them.

No they wouldn't.

Sure they would. Rational? No, but most fans aren't rational; they're emotional. They'd realize it once he's gone because there are no in-house alternatives, but they don't want him right now. I don't blame them though. QB purgatory is worse than QB hell. At least in QB hell you're striving to be better. In QB purgatory you're accepting years of mediocrity knowing there's no payoff at the end.

 

[daveR]

Johnny didn't otherwise suck?

i am completely baffled by that take.

please look up his QB rating and report back.

If I recall, my church was doing something that precluded me from watching the game live. I watched the tape later & wasn't as discouraged as most people. I still have it and will watch it again. I will indeed "report back" after I do so.

In the meantime, do you consider an Alex Smith level QB worthwhile pursuing?

maybe 10 years ago.but right now the rules seem to be so in favor of offense it seems like you need a top shelf QB to compete.

What wins continues to be offense that minimizes mistakes. This year was dominated by one team that outran everyone else and relied on its D, and another that dinked and dunked its way to a title.Teams worrying that they can't compete if they don't get the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning have their eyes on the stat column instead of the win one.

Ball safety, defense, and coaching continues to be the most reliable recipe for success in today's NFL.

Alex Smith ain't gonna sell a lot of jerseys, but he's won at a .700 clip the last four years, since he transformed himself from a risk taker to a pure game manager. There are about 25 NFL QB's who would gladly take that.

Manziel can't be that guy, but lots of other QB's could, with smarter coaching and GMing.

I think Hoyer WAS that guy until things caved in on him. Josh Gordon's return cost us several int's and games. Alex Mack's injury hurt both the passing and running games. Defensive injuries put us behind in late-season games, making the intended run-oriented offense moot.

IMO, we at least HAD that game manager. I am hopeful that McCown can do the same with a decent OL in front of him.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Looks like Ben Axelrod on twitter has the new brown jersey. I like it.

 

[daveR]

Well, almost a week after the fact, I watched the game. A few things stood out.

First, the production sucked. WAY too many close-ups and unique camera shots. SHOW ME THE DAMNED GAME!!! (per usual the announcers make me wonder how they get paid -- they either stated the obvious or were wrong in their observations, not that that's unusual.)

The Browns defense misses Phil Taylor. They also missed a lot of tackles. Made me wonder if their hearts were in it.

While JF$ didn't suck as bad as was widely reported, his O-line did. Most of the trouble came from the revolving door at the center position, though the rest of them contributed to some degree. Manziel made a couple rookie mistakes, most notably the "chuck & duck" interception into the endzone. Overall, though, he played okay. Fix the center position, PLEASE!!! (BTW, Mack can opt out after next season.)

The youth of the team is a BIG factor. Cohesion is lacking. So is character.

Watched the game again today, 4-14-15. I don't have much to add. JF$ looked like a rookie.

Did he look like he had no clues whatsoever? No.

Did he TOTALLY suck? No.

Did he look like the guy that's gonna fix all our QB problems? No.

Did the OL have problems? You bet.

Did the defense allow a few too many yards on the ground? Uhhhh, yep.

Were there WAY too many mistakes for this late in the season? What do you think, MP?

It sure seemed to me that the coaches were restricted to following the owner's dictates.

It also seemed like we had a lot of disinterested players on the field.

 

[Englishteacher]

Just read Melvin Gordon is visiting.

 

[Englishteacher]

Gurley also coming in.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Go to the link to see em if you haven't already.

Yeah. They are actually ok.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/cleveland-browns-uniforms-new-great-looking-wordmark-college?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomnfl-topstories

The new Cleveland Browns' uniforms are actually pretty great

While the Cleveland Browns’ helmet and logo redesign was met with a collective yawn earlier this year, the release of the team’s new uniforms on Tuesday night brought forth a different reaction: For a team named after a man whose last name is one the of the drabbest colors on the palette, this team came up with some pretty awesome unis...

 

[MAC_32]

@ChrisWesseling I don’t care either way about the Browns. Good franchises win games. Bad franchises trumpet their dog-n-pony uniform shows.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

@ChrisWesseling I don’t care either way about the Browns. Good franchises win games. Bad franchises trumpet their dog-n-pony uniform shows.

Chrissy should take a pill. Give the angry fan bit a rest forever as far as I'm concerned because we've seen the smartass comments and those who throw rocks and insults and they sure as hell haven't done a damn thing to help us win now have they?

 

[amnesiac]

meh.

win more than 7 games next year.

that's all i ask.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

meh.

win more than 7 games next year.

that's all i ask.

All I care about is wins too but the new unis are fine.

 

[amnesiac]

actually, if they won 7 games next year, that would be an accomplishment for them.

 

[amnesiac]

meh.

win more than 7 games next year.

that's all i ask.

All I care about is wins too but the new unis are fine.

yeah, they're fine. no big deal.

 

[Random]

I really dig the brown. Anyone know when they will be available for purchase online?

 

[jurb26]

Every team makes a big deal about new uni's. It's called, you know, marketing.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I really dig the brown. Anyone know when they will be available for purchase online?

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