Another game like that one (and week one) and backups who will put forth effort should suffice.so who are they bringing in to fix the defense?
I'm beginning to believe that this is truePettine looks like one of those dudes at the gym that scowls all the time and just does a ton of bench press. He looks totally in over his head.
I'm skeptical about how much time he has spent with the defense since May. I get the sense that he has spent a lot more time working with the offense, trusting Jim and the veterans to get the defense functioning properly and...well, you see the results. There isn't enough talent on this team (Hi, Ray) to mask the week-to-week issues displayed by that unit so far.I'm beginning to believe that this is truePettine looks like one of those dudes at the gym that scowls all the time and just does a ton of bench press. He looks totally in over his head.
I took issue with the team going back to him earlier in this thread, instead of seeing what they had in Manziel, but will have to admit I was wrong. Maybe he can take them to the playoffs. He's playing well, and making their below average pass catchers productive.So has the McCown sucks crowd conveniently missed the games recently or are they silently sitting on their I told you so's until he has a performance that fits their narrative?
The defense was awful again today. This maintains and this is not a playoff team. I see no reason to believe this will change either.I took issue with the team going back to him earlier in this thread, instead of seeing what they had in Manziel, but will have to admit I was wrong. Maybe he can take them to the playoffs. He's playing well, and making their below average pass catchers productive.So has the McCown sucks crowd conveniently missed the games recently or are they silently sitting on their I told you so's until he has a performance that fits their narrative?
Ultimately you are likely going to be right - but right now they are still in contention for a playoff spot at least and teams in that position have to "go for it". McCown obviously deserves to remain the starter, even if its not necessarily the best thing for the long term outlook of the franchise.The defense was awful again today. This maintains and this is not a playoff team. I see no reason to believe this will change either.I took issue with the team going back to him earlier in this thread, instead of seeing what they had in Manziel, but will have to admit I was wrong. Maybe he can take them to the playoffs. He's playing well, and making their below average pass catchers productive.So has the McCown sucks crowd conveniently missed the games recently or are they silently sitting on their I told you so's until he has a performance that fits their narrative?
You can't make a case for pulling him anytime soon given the hot hand he has. Ride that horse!Ultimately you are likely going to be right - but right now they are still in contention for a playoff spot at least and teams in that position have to "go for it". McCown obviously deserves to remain the starter, even if its not necessarily the best thing for the long term outlook of the franchise.The defense was awful again today. This maintains and this is not a playoff team. I see no reason to believe this will change either.I took issue with the team going back to him earlier in this thread, instead of seeing what they had in Manziel, but will have to admit I was wrong. Maybe he can take them to the playoffs. He's playing well, and making their below average pass catchers productive.So has the McCown sucks crowd conveniently missed the games recently or are they silently sitting on their I told you so's until he has a performance that fits their narrative?
You don't have to admit you're wrong. Hoyer had some nice games too. Let McCown continue to drive this team (well, in the 2nd half of games at least) to 4-12 or 12-4...that's what the brass wanted when they signed him. Maybe if it's the latter we'll pass on QB and playmakers early in the draft again next year.Dr. Octopus said:I took issue with the team going back to him earlier in this thread, instead of seeing what they had in Manziel, but will have to admit I was wrong. Maybe he can take them to the playoffs. He's playing well, and making their below average pass catchers productive.MAC_32 said:So has the McCown sucks crowd conveniently missed the games recently or are they silently sitting on their I told you so's until he has a performance that fits their narrative?
It's not necessarily a given they will make the playoffs, even if he does keep this up. They did lose 2 out of the last 3 games (despite those being the 3 games where he played very well statistically at least) and their record is 2-3.McCown has been a huge surprise this year. So has T. Benjamin who is also been a major reason for the passing game success.
I'm not sure if McCown can continue play this well but f he does Clev is playoff bound. The D has been very disappointing.
Called what? McCown should start the Oakland game? Are you back on the playoff wagon now? We're 2-3 baby!Called McCown (post 10342), but to be honest I also gave up on the team a short while later.
LOL!Called what? McCown should start the Oakland game? Are you back on the playoff wagon now? We're 2-3 baby!Called McCown (post 10342), but to be honest I also gave up on the team a short while later.
anyone worried this is the game where manning "returns to form"?.Browns Newswire @BrownsWire 22m22 minutes ago
ESPN: Browns CB Haden likely out for Broncos contest - Browns CB Haden likely out for Broncos contest http://ow.ly/35pMJm
Take the Broncos. It's going to be ugly.thecardiackid said:anyone worried this is the game where manning "returns to form"?.Browns Newswire @BrownsWire 22m22 minutes ago
ESPN: Browns CB Haden likely out for Broncos contest - Browns CB Haden likely out for Broncos contest http://ow.ly/35pMJm
DT scares me this week - even if hayden was playing
Penalties, turnovers, and a #### run game.How do our QBs complete almost 80% of their passes (30/37) and we end p with 6 points?
So even when our QBs do well we stink? yeah, we need to completely blow this up. COMPLETE blow upPenalties, turnovers, and a #### run game.How do our QBs complete almost 80% of their passes (30/37) and we end p with 6 points?
I knew, when I saw "last post by Ghost Guy", that the sky was falling. Grabbed my bottled water & headed for the bomb shelter. LOLOLOL!Only three teams with a worse record than us right now. Tank it fellas, tank it.
1- Tank season
2- fir Farmer
3- trade Haden
4- Trade Joe Thomas
Label all the moves as "expansion without actual expansion. We suck so bad we have no idea how to get out of it other than doing this". I would be on board. Anything is better than being guaranteed to suck year in and year out for the next 40 years
WTF? Trade Haden... Trade Thomas? Ooof.I knew, when I saw "last post by Ghost Guy", that the sky was falling. Grabbed my bottled water & headed for the bomb shelter. LOLOLOL!Only three teams with a worse record than us right now. Tank it fellas, tank it.
1- Tank season
2- fir Farmer
3- trade Haden
4- Trade Joe Thomas
Label all the moves as "expansion without actual expansion. We suck so bad we have no idea how to get out of it other than doing this". I would be on board. Anything is better than being guaranteed to suck year in and year out for the next 40 years
I keep forgetting how great Haden has been playingjurb26 said:WTF? Trade Haden... Trade Thomas? Ooof.daveR said:I knew, when I saw "last post by Ghost Guy", that the sky was falling. Grabbed my bottled water & headed for the bomb shelter. LOLOLOL!ghostguy123 said:Only three teams with a worse record than us right now. Tank it fellas, tank it.
1- Tank season
2- fir Farmer
3- trade Haden
4- Trade Joe Thomas
Label all the moves as "expansion without actual expansion. We suck so bad we have no idea how to get out of it other than doing this". I would be on board. Anything is better than being guaranteed to suck year in and year out for the next 40 years
Haden's been playing?I keep forgetting how great Haden has been playingjurb26 said:WTF? Trade Haden... Trade Thomas? Ooof.daveR said:I knew, when I saw "last post by Ghost Guy", that the sky was falling. Grabbed my bottled water & headed for the bomb shelter. LOLOLOL!ghostguy123 said:Only three teams with a worse record than us right now. Tank it fellas, tank it.
1- Tank season
2- fir Farmer
3- trade Haden
4- Trade Joe Thomas
Label all the moves as "expansion without actual expansion. We suck so bad we have no idea how to get out of it other than doing this". I would be on board. Anything is better than being guaranteed to suck year in and year out for the next 40 years
I think that suppose to be his point. I guess you should trade elite players when they get injured.Haden's been playing?I keep forgetting how great Haden has been playingjurb26 said:WTF? Trade Haden... Trade Thomas? Ooof.daveR said:I knew, when I saw "last post by Ghost Guy", that the sky was falling. Grabbed my bottled water & headed for the bomb shelter. LOLOLOL!ghostguy123 said:Only three teams with a worse record than us right now. Tank it fellas, tank it.
1- Tank season
2- fir Farmer
3- trade Haden
4- Trade Joe Thomas
Label all the moves as "expansion without actual expansion. We suck so bad we have no idea how to get out of it other than doing this". I would be on board. Anything is better than being guaranteed to suck year in and year out for the next 40 years
Actually no. He was playing terrible before that. That is what i meant.I think that suppose to be his point. I guess you should trade elite players when they get injured.Haden's been playing?I keep forgetting how great Haden has been playingjurb26 said:WTF? Trade Haden... Trade Thomas? Ooof.daveR said:I knew, when I saw "last post by Ghost Guy", that the sky was falling. Grabbed my bottled water & headed for the bomb shelter. LOLOLOL!ghostguy123 said:Only three teams with a worse record than us right now. Tank it fellas, tank it.
1- Tank season
2- fir Farmer
3- trade Haden
4- Trade Joe Thomas
Label all the moves as "expansion without actual expansion. We suck so bad we have no idea how to get out of it other than doing this". I would be on board. Anything is better than being guaranteed to suck year in and year out for the next 40 years
This team has zero chance to compete for a while. By the time there is even a hint of that Joe will be terribly washed up with no trade value.I am fully in favor of a complete monster tear down and rebuild. Not sure I ever have been in the past. I am nowJoe is my favorite Brown, but it has been a rough year for him.
By and large I think he's overrated. Still, guys who can cover like him are hard to find. I'd say blow it up but keep a core of guys. Haden and Thimas would be in that core. Hell, they might be the only guys in that core.Joe is my favorite Brown, but it has been a rough year for him.
field position seemed consistently terrible too. Oh yeah, and that line that got McCown killed. A few of those hits were on him for holding onto the ball too long though. Defense is still garbage too.ghostguy123 said:So even when our QBs do well we stink? yeah, we need to completely blow this up. COMPLETE blow upMAC_32 said:Penalties, turnovers, and a #### run game.ghostguy123 said:How do our QBs complete almost 80% of their passes (30/37) and we end p with 6 points?
Not having a losers mentality.daveR said:One thing I notice EVERY GAME is losing due to screw-ups. A lot of time it's young players committing untimely penalties. Other times it's RBs going the wrong way. Sometimes it's poor or missed tackles.
I wonder why good teams (ala NE) do these things less frequently. More veterans? Better practicing? Same system in place longer? Team Leaders? Continuity? More emphasis on drafting players who desire to be professional? Outright refusal to pay knuckleheads? More organized coaching?
Agreed.By and large I think he's overrated. Still, guys who can cover like him are hard to find.Joe is my favorite Brown, but it has been a rough year for him.
Blah blah blah. Another re-hashed old story line. Browns suck. We get it. Bad joke, old boring as hell and who is going to read that crap and why? Why the hell should anyone care anymore about this team? They don't and they even care enough to not care so just make them a commodity.Fan's getting into the Halloween spirit
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2582956-browns-fans-turn-front-yard-into-graveyard-for-22-cleveland-quarterbacks