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ComfortablyNumb said:
I really don't think Chubb is anywhere near 1.04 caliber.  Better off taking Q Nelson, DE, or DB there or trading down.
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I understand Nelson is seen by some as the best player in thus draft, but of all the things this team needs it's not at guard. 

 
Riversco said:
The Browns ideal situation is:

Browns trade the #1 overall to the Broncos for the #5 overall and the Broncos #1 in 2019.   Broncos would take Josh Rosen.  Giants would go Darnold or Mayfield.  Colts go Barkley.  Browns take either Darnold or Mayfield at 4.  Browns then call the Jets and tell them someone wants to trade up to #5 for Josh Allen.  Jets agree to trade the #6 plus their 2nd rounder to the Browns for the #5.  Jets take Josh Allen.  Browns select Chubb or Fitzpatrick at 6.  

Browns come away with something like Sam Darnold, Bradley Chubb, a second round pick in 2018 and a first rounder in 2019.
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The ideal scenario would be if at least two teams would be vying to move up for the top pick.

https://nflspinzone.com/2018/03/03/new-york-jets-trading-2018-nfl-draft-makes-sense-one-case/

ESPN’s Rich Cimini is reporting of a potential match for the Jets and Cleveland to trade up.

The Cleveland Browns say they’re open to trading down. The New York Jets say they’re open to trading up.

...Let’s say the Jets lose out on the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes, and ..., the Browns might be willing to part with the No. 1 overall pick. However, it would cost the Jets a lot to get it.
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EDIT:  Cousins to Minny = real possibility so both NYJ and DEN could be looking to move-up.

https://football.realgm.com/analysis/3036/NFL-Scouting-Combine-Notebook-Friday

--Kirk Cousins to Minnesota is a very popular take, and that includes folks from both Minnesota and Washington (his old team). In more than 20 conversations I’ve had with people about Cousins over the last couple of weeks, not one person with legit NFL or Cousins connections has ever brought up the New York Jets. Denver, Arizona and Cleveland (as a non-starter) are the others that get mentioned.

--The Cleveland Browns could very well clean out the entire QB room from 2017. Dumping Cody Kessler, who lost yards on 6 of the last 10 snaps he played, and Kevin Hogan wouldn’t surprise anyone. But there are loudening whispers the team will also move DeShone Kizer in one form or another. One possible destination: Kansas City. The Chiefs need a young backup for Patrick Mahomes, and Browns GM John Dorsey was the Chiefs GM at this time one year ago.

 
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Riversco said:
The Browns ideal situation is:

Browns trade the #1 overall to the Broncos for the #5 overall and the Broncos #1 in 2019.   Broncos would take Josh Rosen.  Giants would go Darnold or Mayfield.  Colts go Barkley.  Browns take either Darnold or Mayfield at 4.  Browns then call the Jets and tell them someone wants to trade up to #5 for Josh Allen.  Jets agree to trade the #6 plus their 2nd rounder to the Browns for the #5.  Jets take Josh Allen.  Browns select Chubb or Fitzpatrick at 6.  

Browns come away with something like Sam Darnold, Bradley Chubb, a second round pick in 2018 and a first rounder in 2019.
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If we move down from 1 to 5 we better get more than just their 2019 1st.  

 
At the top of the second we should be in position to land any, DB, OT, RB, or WR that falls.

What is starting to become interesting is those back-to-back picks at the end of the 2nd and top of the 3rd considering some of the damaged goods type names that 'could' be available.

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Charley Casserly‏Verified account @CharleyCasserly Mar 2

Billy Price OC who I have rated in the 1st rd has a torn pec. Medical report says he should be ready for Camp. If he slips in the Draft he would be s great value in the 2nd rd. #NFLDraft2018 @nflnetwork

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Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 22h22 hours ago

Michigan DT Maurice Hurst, projected as a potential first-round pick, was diagnosed today with a heart condition, league sources told ESPN. Hurst will not go through combine drills and will undergo further testing this week.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Chad Forbes‏ @NFLDraftBites Mar 2

#BROWNS & #Broncos Have engaged in trade talks of 1st overall pick highly dependent on where Kirk Cousins lands. But there’s a line of communication very open.
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I think the NFL should just allow cap space to be traded.  Example, Browns trade 40 million in cap space for pick 5  

 
ghostguy123 said:
If we move down from 1 to 5 we better get more than just their 2019 1st.  
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The Broncos have options though.

1. Stand pat and and they will probably be picking between 2 QBs.
2. Trade with the Colts or Giants instead.
3. Wait for the Browns to be on the clock with the 4th pick and then do a deal.

The Broncos might like to trade up to #1, but its far from the only option.  So I don't think its reaps a huge return.  There's 4 (maybe 5) QBs people like up there.  If there was just 1-2 then yes.  

 
Riversco said:
The Broncos have options though.

1. Stand pat and and they will probably be picking between 2 QBs.
2. Trade with the Colts or Giants instead.
3. Wait for the Browns to be on the clock with the 4th pick and then do a deal.

The Broncos might like to trade up to #1, but its far from the only option.  So I don't think its reaps a huge return.  There's 4 (maybe 5) QBs people like up there.  If there was just 1-2 then yes.  
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Then dont trade.  Unless we are NOT picking a QB

 
@RapSheet 3m3

After days of evaluation at the #Combine, one thing is clear: Penn St RB Saquon Barkley is firmly in the mix at No. 1 for the #Browns, sources say. Would be the first RB at that spot since Ki-Jana Carter to the #Bengals in 1995.

 
@MikeGarafolo

Yep. Firmly. As in I truly believe he’s their pick at 1 as of right now. As for the QB and what they might do at 4, there is very strong buzz Cleveland likes Baker Mayfield a lot. https://t.co/WUzzqb9swA

Wow.... Soulfly... How do you do it?

 
Soulfly3 said:
@MikeGarafolo

Yep. Firmly. As in I truly believe he’s their pick at 1 as of right now. As for the QB and what they might do at 4, there is very strong buzz Cleveland likes Baker Mayfield a lot. https://t.co/WUzzqb9swA

Wow.... Soulfly... How do you do it?
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Yeah, the GMs usually tell everyone their plans before the draft.  

I'll bet anything the Browns do not draft a non-QB at 1 and then a QB at 4.  

 
And since when does the combine catapult a RB above a franchise QB?  

Sorry Soul, nothing has changed from a week ago.

Fun to dream though I guess if your two 2 guys are Barkley and Mayfield.  

 
ghostguy123 said:
Yeah, the GMs usually tell everyone their plans before the draft.  

I'll bet anything the Browns do not draft a non-QB at 1 and then a QB at 4.  
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Makes sense.  Why hit the home run right out of the gate.  

Browns should take Barkley.  I know they need a QB but I'm still not a fan of any of the QBs.  See what falls to them at 4.  

 
DocHolliday said:
Makes sense.  Why hit the home run right out of the gate.  

Browns should take Barkley.  I know they need a QB but I'm still not a fan of any of the QBs.  See what falls to them at 4.  
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:lmao:

Good god.  WHat kind of half assed outfit would a team be running if they "see which QB falls to them" at pick 4 rather than taking the guy they actually want at pick 1.  

They chances they have three QBs ranked the same is as close to zero as you can be.  

If we arent taking a QB at 1, then we arent taking one at 4 either.  If we do, fire everyone. 

No matter their views on QB, I wont be happy if we draft Barkley at 1.  I would MUCH rather trade the pick.  Barkely in't going to be worth the several 1st rounder we COULD turn pick 1 into.  

 
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ghostguy123 said:
Barkely in't going to be worth the several 1st rounder we COULD turn pick 1 into.  
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Do you think the rams and boys think that about gurley and zeke?

and ya, I know they didnt go #1 overall, but seing how they turned out, they were worth that pick and more, easily.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Do you think the rams and boys think that about gurley and zeke?

and ya, I know they didnt go #1 overall, but seing how they turned out, they were worth that pick and more, easily.
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So now I am getting guaranteed stud production?  I didnt know we could play that game.

If thats the case then no, I much rather take a stud QB if I can guarantee he is a stud.

 
ghostguy123 said:
So now I am getting guaranteed stud production?  I didnt know we could play that game.

If thats the case then no, I much rather take a stud QB if I can guarantee he is a stud.
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I'd say saquon is about as close to a guarantee as you can get. 

otherwise, I am 100% on board w Baker at 1.

 
If they really want Barkley so bad at 1 (which I firmly believe they dont), then use a 2nd and trade up to pick 2 for the QB (if they plan to take a QB high).

Terrible value for drafting a RB though.

 
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Riversco said:
The Broncos have options though.

1. Stand pat and and they will probably be picking between 2 QBs.
2. Trade with the Colts or Giants instead.
3. Wait for the Browns to be on the clock with the 4th pick and then do a deal.

The Broncos might like to trade up to #1, but its far from the only option.  So I don't think its reaps a huge return.  There's 4 (maybe 5) QBs people like up there.  If there was just 1-2 then yes.  
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But on the flipside there are other teams (Jets at #6, Bills, Cardinals) looking to move up as well. When QB's are involved bidding wars can evolve.  

 
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Bills desperately seeking their franchise QB and really wanting to move up.

They are considering the price but it seems like desire will win out.

Lots of people think the Browns 4th pick is in play.

Interesting thought process from their perspective.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2018/03/04/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-trade-up-first-round-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold/390220002/
 

...The Browns hold the first and fourth picks in the 2018 NFL Draft

...Dorsey figures to be very busy because there’s one school of thought where he’ll use the No. 1 pick on whichever quarterback he falls in love with — be it Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield — and then put that fourth pick in play to acquire more draft capital. 

Does Dorsey think Beane, or any other GM, should make a deal, even at the hefty price-tag Dorsey will place on his coveted fourth pick?

“Well, I think when you make strategic decisions like that, I think first you have to understand the whole draft process in terms of what the other 31 teams are thinking,” said Dorsey. “Then, you have to strategically think about who do you think needs certain positions if it’s the same position that you’re willing to go up for. Once you’ve identified those teams that are willing to go up, then you have to put yourself in the position and be willing to give up a little bit of currency to go get the player who you think can change your team.”

'... (Brandon Beane, Bills GM) It's one of those things where if you're gonna move up, especially in round one, it takes a lot. The higher you go, it exponentially increases.'

... (Sports Illustrated’s Peter King and Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio) “It all depends on whether they love one of the quarterbacks,” said King. “According to the draft value trade chart, it would take both (first-round) picks, and something more to get into the four and five range. What’s important is they have to have a conviction on a guy, and if they don’t, they ought to take Mason Rudolph where they are (at 21 and 22), or Lamar Jackson, or whoever it might be.”

Said Florio: “The question becomes how much more beyond the 21st and 22nd pick is it going to take get up into the top five? And, are they viewed as can’t miss? Are they viewed as future superstars?”

If so, Florio thinks the Bills need to bite the bullet and do it because until they get a true franchise quarterback, they’re going nowhere.

“When the Bills benched Tyrod Taylor in the middle of the season,” Florio said, “I think the message was, ‘We know we need a franchise quarterback, we know he’s not it, we know we have the two first-round picks, and we’re going to go get a guy who becomes our next Jim Kelly, the guy who makes us relevant and competitive every year so we don’t have to rely on a fluke play from Andy Dalton to get us into the playoffs.’ I think they are exasperated as an organization with the revolving door guy who’s just good enough to maybe make you, once every five years, be in contention for a playoff berth.”
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Who would be available at 21 and 22 in the first round is what would be of interest to the Browns.

 
MMQB's Peter King reports Browns coach Hue Jackson’s "preference" is signing A.J. McCarron in free agency in addition to spending an early pick on a quarterback.

Jackson said last week he does not want to start a rookie quarterback in Week 1, and it makes sense he would be targeting McCarron in free agency after he pushed to trade for him at the deadline last season. Seemingly out of the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes, it looks likely the Browns head into the 2018 season with McCarron and a rookie atop the depth chart.
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Is McCarron good enough to allow the Browns to push their QB pick down the 4 spot (or later)? Personally I don't think so, but an argument could be made convincingly that signing McCarron allows them to take Barkley or Chubb at 1.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Is McCarron good enough to allow the Browns to push their QB pick down the 4 spot (or later)? Personally I don't think so, but an argument could be made convincingly that signing McCarron allows them to take Barkley or Chubb at 1.
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I would be ok with that scenario. Most likely we're looking at Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield. I'm not sold on either but I'd be better about them with McCarron on the roster and a decent backup in Kizer.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Browns coach Hue Jackson’s "preference" is
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Dr. Octopus said:
Is McCarron good enough to allow the Browns to push their QB pick down the 4 spot (or later)? Personally I don't think so, but an argument could be made convincingly that signing McCarron allows them to take Barkley or Chubb at 1.
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Hue Jackson says it then it is so.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/hue_jackson_says_new_starter_r.html

Jackson not only named Griffin his starter Thursday for Sunday's game against the Bengals, he promised that Griffin has a legitimate chance to prove he can still be the Browns' franchise quarterback.

"The fact that we're putting him out there says that," said Jackson.

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns/browns-notebook-hue-jackson-says-deshone-kizer-has-right-stuff-and-if-im-worth-my-salt-as-a-coach-i-will-get-it-out-of-him

Browns notebook: Hue Jackson says DeShone Kizer has ‘right stuff’ and ‘if I’m worth my salt as a coach, I will get it out of him’

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/17/hue-jackson-wonders-if-deshone-kizer-will-ever-get-it/

Hue Jackson wonders if DeShone Kizer will “ever get it”

“I think that’s a fair question if he’ll ever get it..."

 
Bracie Smathers said:
https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns/browns-notebook-hue-jackson-says-deshone-kizer-has-right-stuff-and-if-im-worth-my-salt-as-a-coach-i-will-get-it-out-of-him

Browns notebook: Hue Jackson says DeShone Kizer has ‘right stuff’ and ‘if I’m worth my salt as a coach, I will get it out of him’

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/17/hue-jackson-wonders-if-deshone-kizer-will-ever-get-it/

Hue Jackson wonders if DeShone Kizer will “ever get it”

“I think that’s a fair question if he’ll ever get it..."
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Well in Hue's defense, a lot happened between August and December.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Too bad we couldnt pony up a 4th for Robert Quinn.

When is this abundance of cap room actually going to benefit us?
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When FA starts? :shrug:

An abundance of cap room wasn't going to help land Quinn.  The FO was simply outbid.  Different situations at play here.

 
You'd have to think that Barkley, Chubb, Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield are all at play with the top 4 picks.  Unless we trade out of 1 or 4, we'd walk away with two really good players there - no matter where we draft them.  Take Barkley first, one of the three QBs will be there at 4.  Take a QB first, odds are Barkley or Chubb will be there at 4; and if not, trade the pick to a QB needy team and take the consolation prize of extra 2018 and 2019 picks.  I think the biggest decision the FO needs to make right now is on their strategy.  Will they trade one of their picks, or keep them both and let the draft play out?  There will be talent to pick at both spots if they keep them.

 
The McCarron thing makes zero sense to me. There is no reason to think he's better than Cody Kessler, and he'll cost a lot more. Not that the Browns don't have the money, but it sure feels like a waste.

 
travdogg said:
The McCarron thing makes zero sense to me. There is no reason to think he's better than Cody Kessler, and he'll cost a lot more. Not that the Browns don't have the money, but it sure feels like a waste.
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Eh...Kessler sucks out loud.  He's always sucked out loud.  And he will always suck out loud.

McCarron probably isn't anything more than a quality backup, but he is at least better than sucking out loud.

 
beer 30 said:
I would be ok with that scenario. Most likely we're looking at Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield. I'm not sold on either but I'd be better about them with McCarron on the roster and a decent backup in Kizer.
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If Hue couldn't make Kizer work, Josh Allen would be a nightmare.

 
ghostguy123 said:
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Good god.  WHat kind of half assed outfit would a team be running if they "see which QB falls to them" at pick 4 rather than taking the guy they actually want at pick 1.  

They chances they have three QBs ranked the same is as close to zero as you can be.  

If we arent taking a QB at 1, then we arent taking one at 4 either.  If we do, fire everyone. 

No matter their views on QB, I wont be happy if we draft Barkley at 1.  I would MUCH rather trade the pick.  Barkely in't going to be worth the several 1st rounder we COULD turn pick 1 into.  
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With all due respect, you guys aren't all that great at picking QB's so maybe that's the strategy to go with.

 
MAC_32 said:
Eh...Kessler sucks out loud.  He's always sucked out loud.  And he will always suck out loud.

McCarron probably isn't anything more than a quality backup, but he is at least better than sucking out loud.
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I thought Kessler played ok in 2016, had trouble staying in the lineup, but certainly moved the offense. 

I don't think McCarron is even quality backup level. If Hue didn't exist, I'm not sure anyone would be considering him as a starting caliber QB. 

 
Allbright is ramping up the Cousins to Minny talk.  If that happens, I think we'll trade out of one of our picks for sure.

 
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