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I was wondering the SP's opinion on this topic.

The commish of our league was telling me yesterday about all the bad trade offers already this year. I never realized that he could see EVERY offer. I know its not a huge deal but it seems to me a savy player could most definetly use that info to his/her advantage in knowing where guys are at in the valuation of their players, thus having an inside edge in setting up his own trades.

 
It is unfair. I know rtsports gives the different owners the option to hide trade offers and waiver wire selections from the commissioner. Perhaps your site has a similar option that you might not be aware of.

 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.

 
We're using MFL for the first time.

I'll look around for that option, I'm still getting used to it after Yahoo for so many years.

 
I agree it is unfair.

the only time the commish should see the offers is in the event that he is thinking of overturning a deal.

then the email chain where you offer player x for player y could be fair game to show that there was no collusion. but that should not be something he sees until the deal is done.

what I dont like is if he sees a player he likes being offered up for someone and he could jump in and make a better offer to improve his own team.

this is not good and I do not like it.

 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Good stuff, thanks.
It might be worse than you are aware of. Commissioners can also see all blind bid waivers each week before waivers are processed unless he locks himself out of that too.
Yah, thats a lot worse. Thanks for the heads up. I like the site but to be honest its UI is a PITA. I wanted to modify the apperance to look better (I've seen some really sweet MFL sites) but I dont even know where to start.
 
I am a commissioner in a 12 Team PPR Keeper league that started in 2005.

I leave the right to see things ON but I only log in as Commissioner when I have to perform some function as commissioner. We discussed it when I become the commissioner in 2006. It has been on ever since and I can not recall why we left it on. Never had a problem, but then again I don't look. During the season, I go weeks without logging in as commissioner. During the off season, I have things I have to work on and post.

It all depends on your commissioner and how much you trust them.

I think I might bring it up as a By Law change next time around. I have no need for it.

 
commish should not be logging on constantly. Id speak up. He has a team - he should only log in as his team unless he has a commish duty to perform.

 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Good stuff, thanks.
It might be worse than you are aware of. Commissioners can also see all blind bid waivers each week before waivers are processed unless he locks himself out of that too.
Yah, thats a lot worse. Thanks for the heads up. I like the site but to be honest its UI is a PITA. I wanted to modify the apperance to look better (I've seen some really sweet MFL sites) but I dont even know where to start.
You can do a bit of moving around/small changes as an owner, but the onus is really on your commish to make an MFL site something special. Bare bones it is pretty basic, annoying, and unimpressive. But if you have a great commish who puts in a ton of work on it, you can have a real special, unique, and beneficial site for your owners.
 
I am a commissioner in a 12 Team PPR Keeper league that started in 2005. I leave the right to see things ON but I only log in as Commissioner when I have to perform some function as commissioner. We discussed it when I become the commissioner in 2006. It has been on ever since and I can not recall why we left it on. Never had a problem, but then again I don't look. During the season, I go weeks without logging in as commissioner. During the off season, I have things I have to work on and post. It all depends on your commissioner and how much you trust them. I think I might bring it up as a By Law change next time around. I have no need for it.
why not just turn it off?
 
Definitely an unfair advantage. I know you'd hate to be the one that "snitches" and tells on him, but what he's doing is wrong. Perhaps there is a diplomatic way to bring up to others rather than bluntly saying "he's looking at all of our trades and telling me who's offering what" ????

 
I am a commissioner in a 12 Team PPR Keeper league that started in 2005.

I leave the right to see things ON but I only log in as Commissioner when I have to perform some function as commissioner. We discussed it when I become the commissioner in 2006. It has been on ever since and I can not recall why we left it on. Never had a problem, but then again I don't look. During the season, I go weeks without logging in as commissioner. During the off season, I have things I have to work on and post.

It all depends on your commissioner and how much you trust them.

I think I might bring it up as a By Law change next time around. I have no need for it.
why not just turn it off?
It's in the By Laws.... that's why I want to bring it up for change. I just can not change the rules cause it makes sense now..... where would we be with that!

We review/vote on rule changes in June-July each year.

 
I was wondering the SP's opinion on this topic. The commish of our league was telling me yesterday about all the bad trade offers already this year. I never realized that he could see EVERY offer. I know its not a huge deal but it seems to me a savy player could most definetly use that info to his/her advantage in knowing where guys are at in the valuation of their players, thus having an inside edge in setting up his own trades.
It does convey an advantage and in fact I would consider it a "huge deal". I would lobby to have this changed immediately. If he resists just tell him that all trade offers he sends or receives have to go through you first, see what he says to that.I would be completely blunt and not #####foot around the issue. I would tell the whole league that he can see trade offers, explain that this is unfair, and request a rule change.
 
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It's called cheating. Had this issue with a stupid fu(k commish that'd log onto commish name everyday and he'd suddenly make deals outta nowhere involving same exact players being discussed in other deals.

Needless to say, he was quickly canned.

 
Yes. It is an advantage.

RTSports use to not have an option and the Commish could see all offers. I tried really hard to not see them when I went in to approve a trade but it was really hard not to see them. When I saw them, it automatically impacted my trade offer decisions because even if I tried to not allow it be an 'advantage' that meant not sending offers I otherwise would have sent. I tried to not let it give me an advantage but it sure did impact me. If a Commish who had access wanted to use it then it could be a very useful tool.

 
I am a commissioner in a 12 Team PPR Keeper league that started in 2005.

I leave the right to see things ON but I only log in as Commissioner when I have to perform some function as commissioner. We discussed it when I become the commissioner in 2006. It has been on ever since and I can not recall why we left it on. Never had a problem, but then again I don't look. During the season, I go weeks without logging in as commissioner. During the off season, I have things I have to work on and post.

It all depends on your commissioner and how much you trust them.

I think I might bring it up as a By Law change next time around. I have no need for it.
why not just turn it off?
It's in the By Laws.... that's why I want to bring it up for change. I just can not change the rules cause it makes sense now..... where would we be with that!

We review/vote on rule changes in June-July each year.
So it's in your by-laws that the commish is to have access to all trade offers?If it's not spelled out like that, it needs to be turned off, IMO.

It doesn't matter if you look or not.

 
I am a commissioner in a 12 Team PPR Keeper league that started in 2005.

I leave the right to see things ON but I only log in as Commissioner when I have to perform some function as commissioner. We discussed it when I become the commissioner in 2006. It has been on ever since and I can not recall why we left it on. Never had a problem, but then again I don't look. During the season, I go weeks without logging in as commissioner. During the off season, I have things I have to work on and post.

It all depends on your commissioner and how much you trust them.

I think I might bring it up as a By Law change next time around. I have no need for it.
why not just turn it off?
It's in the By Laws.... that's why I want to bring it up for change. I just can not change the rules cause it makes sense now..... where would we be with that!

We review/vote on rule changes in June-July each year.
So it's in your by-laws that the commish is to have access to all trade offers?If it's not spelled out like that, it needs to be turned off, IMO.

It doesn't matter if you look or not.
:goodposting: :crazy:

 
I am a commissioner in a 12 Team PPR Keeper league that started in 2005.

I leave the right to see things ON but I only log in as Commissioner when I have to perform some function as commissioner. We discussed it when I become the commissioner in 2006. It has been on ever since and I can not recall why we left it on. Never had a problem, but then again I don't look. During the season, I go weeks without logging in as commissioner. During the off season, I have things I have to work on and post.

It all depends on your commissioner and how much you trust them.

I think I might bring it up as a By Law change next time around. I have no need for it.
why not just turn it off?
It's in the By Laws.... that's why I want to bring it up for change. I just can not change the rules cause it makes sense now..... where would we be with that!

We review/vote on rule changes in June-July each year.
I admire your integrity and how you respect the rules but this seems to take it to a counterproductive extreme. There is no way any player can be harmed by you losing the ability to see all the trades. It can't impact their strategy in any way. It can only get rid of a potential unfair advantage for you.
 
I Commished on a site where this was on. Personally I never used it to my advantage. I rarely trade and never did in that league and never used it to look at waivers before they went through. The only benefit of it was I was able to read the trade communications and that made me aware of an owner trying to make shady deals. He'd send messages telling people their team doesn't have a shot at the playoffs and they should trade so-and-so to him since he'd probably make the playoffs. It'd always be a stud for his scrubs. No one ever did trade with him, but I booted him the next year because he irritated most of the owners and I suspected he'd offer a share of any winnings next time to try to get a trade done.

Despite that, I wouldn't like a commish to have that ability. Mainly because of potential abuse.

 
It's in the By Laws.... that's why I want to bring it up for change. I just can not change the rules cause it makes sense now..... where would we be with that! We review/vote on rule changes in June-July each year.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We're not talking about the freaking U.S. Constitution here!! Just put it up for vote RIGHT NOW and you will have an insta-super-majority in a matter of minutes.
 
Talked to my commish about it, we got it turned off. No vote or anything, just did it.

He is a good commissioner and this is by far my favorite league. I'm glad it got taken care of before it became a problem.

 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Maybe my ONLY problem with MFL. I HATE that everytime I need to do something commish related I have to turn this off and on. They should NEVER allow it as an option
 
Yes. It is an advantage.

RTSports use to not have an option and the Commish could see all offers. I tried really hard to not see them when I went in to approve a trade but it was really hard not to see them. When I saw them, it automatically impacted my trade offer decisions because even if I tried to not allow it be an 'advantage' that meant not sending offers I otherwise would have sent. I tried to not let it give me an advantage but it sure did impact me. If a Commish who had access wanted to use it then it could be a very useful tool.
And that is not because you're dishonest. It's because you're human. Both those things are true about most league commisioners. A commish should not be in the position where they can see trade offers. It tempts them to be human, based on "inside knowledge" that only they may have about what players are available, about how owners value players, things like that. There's no need for a commissioner or any league member to have that kind of an advantage.

 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Maybe my ONLY problem with MFL. I HATE that everytime I need to do something commish related I have to turn this off and on. They should NEVER allow it as an option
Agreed here, I don't know what functional purpose it serves. (Other then a temptation to crooked commishes.)
 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Maybe my ONLY problem with MFL. I HATE that everytime I need to do something commish related I have to turn this off and on. They should NEVER allow it as an option
Agreed here, I don't know what functional purpose it serves. (Other then a temptation to crooked commishes.)
My main use of it is to change a team's password if they drop out. I only turn it on a minute and then turn it back off.
 
Every league I've ever been in for the last 10 years has the option to turn off the Commissioner's ability to see trade offers. If they're telling you otherwise, they're probably lying.

 
It's in the By Laws.... that's why I want to bring it up for change. I just can not change the rules cause it makes sense now..... where would we be with that! We review/vote on rule changes in June-July each year.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We're not talking about the freaking U.S. Constitution here!! Just put it up for vote RIGHT NOW and you will have an insta-super-majority in a matter of minutes.
:goodposting:
 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Maybe my ONLY problem with MFL. I HATE that everytime I need to do something commish related I have to turn this off and on. They should NEVER allow it as an option
Agreed here, I don't know what functional purpose it serves. (Other then a temptation to crooked commishes.)
It serves the purpose of letting a commish do things for owners when the owner can't.During our current 34 round, week long slow draft I'd estimate I've probably submitted picks or set predraft lists for owners without access at least 30 times. Actually that's probably a low estimate, as some owners I pretty much mail soon as they are on the clock and they reply with their pick.Over the years I've conducted entire drafts or large portions thereof for owners whose wife went into labor, whose parents home was demolished by a tornado, and last year by one owner who just disappeared from contact after the first few rounds and I stepped in after a few of his picks timed out in a row and we couldn't get in touch.It's not just a useful feature it's a necessary one. That said, yes, abilities should be locked out when not actually needed.
 
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I don't really see how this is an advantage or that big of a deal. If you are a serious player and you like to trade, you are thinking about trades all the time, so you are probably talking to owners about stuff you would like to do...in any trade, you are trying figure out what that owner would take. If the owner has to think about it that long, you either probably didn't offer enough and the other guy wanted to make an offer that is more. The value of players during the season, while subjective, are pretty agreeable, by this I mean people can generally agree on the value of most players. So if you were trying to get Gronkowski and was offering Denarius Moore and Colston, that is not that good of an offer to begin with. If someone else wants to look at your trades and offer more than that, they were probably thinking of making an offer anyways.

Plus, look at it this way...50% of the time they were saving your butt to begin with. About 4 week in last year in a league where you can flex qbs, I traded for Willis McGahee and Jimmy Graham (with 9th round keeper option this year) by giving up Rivers and Gates. I am pretty certain the other guy thought he was ripping me off at the time. Seeing that trade results are about as predictable as flipping a coin, even if some overzealous commish wanted to 'cheat' by looking at trade proposals they would not be gaining any advantage as most trades are either a wash or a bad, bad decision.

 
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Maybe my ONLY problem with MFL. I HATE that everytime I need to do something commish related I have to turn this off and on. They should NEVER allow it as an option
Agreed here, I don't know what functional purpose it serves. (Other then a temptation to crooked commishes.)
It serves the purpose of letting a commish do things for owners when the owner can't.During our current 34 round, week long slow draft I'd estimate I've probably submitted picks or set predraft lists for owners without access at least 30 times. Actually that's probably a low estimate, as some owners I pretty much mail soon as they are on the clock and they reply with their pick.Over the years I've conducted entire drafts or large portions thereof for owners whose wife went into labor, whose parents home was demolished by a tornado, and last year by one owner who just disappeared from contact after the first few rounds and I stepped in after a few of his picks timed out in a row and we couldn't get in touch.It's not just a useful feature it's a necessary one. That said, yes, abilities should be locked out when not actually needed.
Oh I agree and get the abilities part. I've had to make a draft pick on someone else's behalf, or change their password, when a new owner is onboarded, I have no problem with that. The part I don't see as having a functional purpose, is being able to see other trade transactions as part and parcel of that necessary commish management moves. Assist an owner by making picks or whatever, absolutely. Peeking at their trade offers, seems unnecessary as a side effect? Hmmmm. Maybe if you have some crazy owner about to leave or get kicked out, offering "burn the house down" trade offers at the last minute, and you needed to cancel them all. Yeah, ok. I guess I can see that.In theory it should nearly always be turned off though.
 
I don't really see how this is an advantage or that big of a deal. If you are a serious player and you like to trade, you are thinking about trades all the time, so you are probably talking to owners about stuff you would like to do...in any trade, you are trying figure out what that owner would take. If the owner has to think about it that long, you either probably didn't offer enough and the other guy wanted to make an offer that is more. The value of players during the season, while subjective, are pretty agreeable, by this I mean people can generally agree on the value of most players. So if you were trying to get Gronkowski and was offering Denarius Moore and Colston, that is not that good of an offer to begin with. If someone else wants to look at your trades and offer more than that, they were probably thinking of making an offer anyways. Plus, look at it this way...50% of the time they were saving your butt to begin with. About 4 week in last year in a league where you can flex qbs, I traded for Willis McGahee and Jimmy Graham (with 9th round keeper option this year) by giving up Rivers and Gates. I am pretty certain the other guy thought he was ripping me off at the time. Seeing that trade results are about as predictable as flipping a coin, even if some overzealous commish wanted to 'cheat' by looking at trade proposals they would not be gaining any advantage as most trades are either a wash or a bad, bad decision.
I don't understand, how it's not seen as an advantage? You see an owner trying to sell Jonathan Stewart to a few other owners in the league, for some QB value, you would know exactly what player is available to the market, and exactly what value the owner is looking for before anybody else. (or at least before the other owners not involved in those trade offers.)Of course some trading is done via a open market type negotiation via trade bait, or openly announcing "looking to move Gates for picks", but being able to read everyone's trade offers, which they may wish to keep private, is to me definitely an advantage. You could see the market from an exclusive high level view, and no offers could be made privately. Shouldn't be done IMO. /end of story.
 
Can an MFL commish also see weekly waivers that are submitted by each owner? I think that would be where there's the most potential for shady behavior if it is.

 
I commish a league on MFL and have twice offered to turn the option off and the guys in the league said no, because the advantages out weighed the disadvantages is what they said. I have run this league 10 years so I guess they trust me not to be a d--k.

 
I commish a league on MFL and have twice offered to turn the option off and the guys in the league said no, because the advantages out weighed the disadvantages is what they said. I have run this league 10 years so I guess they trust me not to be a d--k.
What the hell am I missing.What advantages are there for leaving it ON?The advantage that you don't have to click 2 links and an email gets sent out?
 
'meatwad1 said:
I don't really see how this is an advantage or that big of a deal. If you are a serious player and you like to trade, you are thinking about trades all the time, so you are probably talking to owners about stuff you would like to do...in any trade, you are trying figure out what that owner would take. If the owner has to think about it that long, you either probably didn't offer enough and the other guy wanted to make an offer that is more. The value of players during the season, while subjective, are pretty agreeable, by this I mean people can generally agree on the value of most players. So if you were trying to get Gronkowski and was offering Denarius Moore and Colston, that is not that good of an offer to begin with. If someone else wants to look at your trades and offer more than that, they were probably thinking of making an offer anyways. Plus, look at it this way...50% of the time they were saving your butt to begin with. About 4 week in last year in a league where you can flex qbs, I traded for Willis McGahee and Jimmy Graham (with 9th round keeper option this year) by giving up Rivers and Gates. I am pretty certain the other guy thought he was ripping me off at the time. Seeing that trade results are about as predictable as flipping a coin, even if some overzealous commish wanted to 'cheat' by looking at trade proposals they would not be gaining any advantage as most trades are either a wash or a bad, bad decision.
You could have stopped after your first sentence.
 
'Cato said:
'meatwad1 said:
I don't really see how this is an advantage or that big of a deal. If you are a serious player and you like to trade, you are thinking about trades all the time, so you are probably talking to owners about stuff you would like to do...in any trade, you are trying figure out what that owner would take. If the owner has to think about it that long, you either probably didn't offer enough and the other guy wanted to make an offer that is more. The value of players during the season, while subjective, are pretty agreeable, by this I mean people can generally agree on the value of most players. So if you were trying to get Gronkowski and was offering Denarius Moore and Colston, that is not that good of an offer to begin with. If someone else wants to look at your trades and offer more than that, they were probably thinking of making an offer anyways. Plus, look at it this way...50% of the time they were saving your butt to begin with. About 4 week in last year in a league where you can flex qbs, I traded for Willis McGahee and Jimmy Graham (with 9th round keeper option this year) by giving up Rivers and Gates. I am pretty certain the other guy thought he was ripping me off at the time. Seeing that trade results are about as predictable as flipping a coin, even if some overzealous commish wanted to 'cheat' by looking at trade proposals they would not be gaining any advantage as most trades are either a wash or a bad, bad decision.
I don't understand, how it's not seen as an advantage? You see an owner trying to sell Jonathan Stewart to a few other owners in the league, for some QB value, you would know exactly what player is available to the market, and exactly what value the owner is looking for before anybody else. (or at least before the other owners not involved in those trade offers.)Of course some trading is done via a open market type negotiation via trade bait, or openly announcing "looking to move Gates for picks", but being able to read everyone's trade offers, which they may wish to keep private, is to me definitely an advantage. You could see the market from an exclusive high level view, and no offers could be made privately. Shouldn't be done IMO. /end of story.
Very often, I've found you can determine an owner's trade intentions by looking at his roster. If you are really paranoid that the commish is going to be able to pull one over on you, you could PM or text an offer. I can see your point that it is shady, but I look at it in the same league as someone who copies answers off a test from the dumbest donkey in class.
 
I commish a league on MFL and have twice offered to turn the option off and the guys in the league said no, because the advantages out weighed the disadvantages is what they said. I have run this league 10 years so I guess they trust me not to be a d--k.
It must be sad to have acquaintances playing ff against you who you have to worry against screwing you over...if you could call this that. It's not that they have some supreme level of trust for you, it's just that they don't care that a person would undercut you on a trade, especially if they are offering more value.
 
'rocketsauce said:
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Is the commissioner notified of an accepted trade offer if this lock out feature is chosen on MFL while at the same time the league uses the "commissioner must approve all trades" option?
 
'rocketsauce said:
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Is the commissioner notified of an accepted trade offer if this lock out feature is chosen on MFL while at the same time the league uses the "commissioner must approve all trades" option?
One has nothing to do with the other.
 
'meatwad1 said:
I don't really see how this is an advantage or that big of a deal. If you are a serious player and you like to trade, you are thinking about trades all the time, so you are probably talking to owners about stuff you would like to do...in any trade, you are trying figure out what that owner would take. If the owner has to think about it that long, you either probably didn't offer enough and the other guy wanted to make an offer that is more. The value of players during the season, while subjective, are pretty agreeable, by this I mean people can generally agree on the value of most players. So if you were trying to get Gronkowski and was offering Denarius Moore and Colston, that is not that good of an offer to begin with. If someone else wants to look at your trades and offer more than that, they were probably thinking of making an offer anyways. Plus, look at it this way...50% of the time they were saving your butt to begin with. About 4 week in last year in a league where you can flex qbs, I traded for Willis McGahee and Jimmy Graham (with 9th round keeper option this year) by giving up Rivers and Gates. I am pretty certain the other guy thought he was ripping me off at the time. Seeing that trade results are about as predictable as flipping a coin, even if some overzealous commish wanted to 'cheat' by looking at trade proposals they would not be gaining any advantage as most trades are either a wash or a bad, bad decision.
Huh? None of this makes the slightest bit of sense. Of course it's an advantage-that is without question. I've had 2 leagues where I had to politely ask the commish to lock himself out. in one of those he took it personally and said I was accusing him of cheating (I wasn't). In the other league I don't think a single owner was aware that the commish could see every trade offer AND all blind bids for free agents.It should without question be turned off-at the very least to avoid any appearance of impropriety.
 
'rocketsauce said:
Are you on MFL? If so, there is an option for the commish to lock himself OUT of this option. And if he changes it, it will send an email out to all owners.
Is the commissioner notified of an accepted trade offer if this lock out feature is chosen on MFL while at the same time the league uses the "commissioner must approve all trades" option?
One has nothing to do with the other.
I assumed that there might be a relationship because currently we do not have the lock out (not my idea but the original league setting) and I'm not notified of trade offers. In fact, about the only reason I log in as commish is to check the review trades section to see if a deal has been done. The real joke is we average about one trade per year so it's a waste of my time mostly. Or is there somewhere else where I'm informed of deals that is unknown to me? :bag:
 

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