I don't think the NFL owners are sorting through player cards on a table to make their pick. My anser stays the same regardless of buy in.
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Commissioner Question - Mistake On First Pick? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Joe Bryant
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Why does the amount matter? It's an honest mistake and there is no harm in changing it all. It's not like it was there for three rounds and then he says change it where it would affect the draft after the fact. It was the first pick. The mistake was known before anyone else picked. The league fee amount is irrelevant.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Appears this was directed my way since I introduced accountability. If I made that mistake...yes I would not expect someone to reverse my mistake.
There is a difference regarding taking responsibility (accountability) for your mistakes and forcing this pick to remain. This is supposed to be a fun activity and it was so obviously an innocent mistake and can be corrected with no impact to anybody else. Everyone knew it was an honest mistake. There is no "accountability" for your actions on this one that has some greater life meaning.
I am with you on being accountable for your actions. But that usually comes with some intent to your actions. A straight honest mistake is forgivable and should be forgiven as also that is part of being a responsible person as well. I just don't see this as a life lesson in making him keep the pick and think there is a bigger life lesson in allowing the pick to be switched.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I would not be trying to teach a life lesson with this. I offered my perspective on why I chose the option I did.
Part of a commish's job is to understand the situation and apply the rules as intended. I would guarantee that a rule such as "once you pick - it stands" has an intent of you can't change your pick a round later if you realize at that time you made a mistake. The intent would not be to make a pick stand when someone innocently grabbed the wrong sticker and put it on the board and then immediately realized it was the wrong sticker. A good commish would override the letter of the law for the intent of the law and let the guy switch his pick immediately before any other picks were made. I think that is what commish's are for.
Comparing that to a lineup mistake is apples to oranges. Both may be innocent mistakes but trying to change a lineup after the fact has pitfalls like who would you have played in the bye week player's spot? After the games happen you know who scored or didn't so that decision is skewed and now has impacts. Totally different situation.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Very few leagues at all have a written set of rules anywhere. I imagine even fewer have a rule that explicitly states "If you pick the wrong guy in a draft, you are stuck with that guy". So while I get your point; I don't believe at this point we are discussing circumstances that are even possible, and if they are, it would account for maybe 1% of fantasy leagues. And even saying we find that 1% where they have written rules, and where this is a written rule; I'd still go back to the fact I wouldn't be in a league like that. If such a league has such a rule, their rule book is likely about as thick as an encyclopedia.
Again... I'm all for competitiveness, and I do like having some rules written in place that people can reference when I'm in a league with some kind of complicated system dynamics that are operating outside what's covered by the host site. Things like how keepers work, how taxi works, how determining draft order works, etc. But a person mistakenly picking the wrong guy in a draft wouldn't be in the top 100 things I'd think of. Typically rules, especially one like this, are the result of repeated issues that drive the necessitation of such a rule. So 1. How many times are people drafting the wrong guy? and 2. How many people are there in said league that made such a big stink about a tiny mistake that someone had to even make that a written rule? It all circles back to pointing at a league full of people that I would not want to play with.
I'm not trying to minimize your points; I actually agree with them in all honesty. A rules a rule, follow the rule. But the only league I've been a part of that's been even close to that detailed and that laden with rules was full of jerks who spent more time pissing and moaning about things than they did enjoying the game. Ironically, they were also the same ones who endlessly tried to find and exploit any loopholes they could to gain an advantage (or create a disadvantage for other leaguemates); thus necessitating an endless supply of new rules each season to prevent others from actively trying to break the integrity of the league like they literally just did the previous season. More than once I had to read something in chat akin to "Well there's no rule against me doing this so you have to let me; but we can fix it in the offseason so no one else can in the future." Walking away from that league was the best decision I ever made in 15+ years of playing fantasy.
Proteus
Footballguy
I'm telling you, I am SO tempted in a short-bench $600 league to nominate Trayveon Williams to see if all of the Henderson simps get jumpy. They even look somewhat alike. But if no one bites I've got a 3-egg omelette on my face.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Except that there are actual grown men out there who would throw an actual fit that "card laid is a card played" in fake football.
You know... The "sport" where we pretend to run a franchise because we can't in real life?
Invite casuals into leagues (or perhaps this guy even has a reading comprehension issue) and get shocked at the results.
I am not so sure about that. Every league I am in has a written set of rules. You kinda need that for a league. Even if it's the "settings" on an ESPN site. Those are the written rules for the league.
I hate owners that try and circumvent he intent of the rules. As a commish when an owner tries the "there is no rule against it" I usually quash it by saying the intent of the written rule covers it so no you can't do it. Sometimes there are no rules that cover some oddball thing and if that is the case or it was never thought if then sometimes it will be allowed but if the intent of a rule covers the attempted circumvention it's easy to say now.
But in the end playing with a league full of owners like this is terrible and I wouldn't be in there for long.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Because Fantasy is fun and sometimes in life you pay a stupid tax, if I'm with friends, its worth it to have that as a point to roast someone over in perpetuity.
If you're playing with strangers its not for fun. In a contest, you aren't getting that pick back. If you're playing with work people, it turns into an HR issue. If you're playing for crazy cash, with friends, I'd just be more fleixble
And I'm not hard core on it, if you want to give him the pick back I dont really care, I just think its funner to make him take it.
If the bank drops $10,000 into your account by mistake you most likely won't be keeping it.
More importantly on this issue, fair competitive balance trumps personal accountability. Unless this league has a balanced schedules, a few teams now draw a team with Robinson Jr as a 1st rounder an extra time.
Last year in the highly competitive Interboard Challange a team mistakenly dropped Jordan Mason. A guy quit the league over this being reversed after dropping all his players. The guy who picked up Mason didn't pitch a fit and proceed to pick up Jennings who went off for 40 pts.
You can do that without making him keep the pick.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I guess I’ll be the devil’s advocate here.
I do agree in a friendly low stakes league that you allow a mulligan on this.
However
If the league rules state “what’s laid is played” or this is a cutthroat high stakes league, then the onus is completely on the selecting owner and any misstep should be upheld. Under those circumstances, the owners need to be double and triple checking their selections before making them and IMO the commissioner would be wrong to bail them out.
I do agree in a friendly low stakes league that you allow a mulligan on this.
However
If the league rules state “what’s laid is played” or this is a cutthroat high stakes league, then the onus is completely on the selecting owner and any misstep should be upheld. Under those circumstances, the owners need to be double and triple checking their selections before making them and IMO the commissioner would be wrong to bail them out.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I don’t disagree with you guys—and I explicitly said that if it was not mentioned in the league rules—that if I were commish that I would let him change it. However, I have played in leagues over the years where there was a several page long rule book—which covered more than you can imagine. I would be pretty shocked if others here haven’t played in leagues that didn’t have an extensive set of rules. I don’t know the rules of the league where this mistake occurred. If they have an “in depth” rule book where there was a “once you pick—your pick stands” rule—I would think twice before I “over ruled” the rule book. I would ask for a league vote—and if a heavy majority of the league felt like the pick should stand—it should. If there is no rule that addresses this—if I was a commish—I would certainly let it be corrected.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah I wasn't including the settings from host sites in that statement. Also, we are likely to be a biased bunch on FBG msg boards. I'm sure the number of us who have leagues with written out/voted on bylaws and rules is a lot higher than the fantasy community in general haha.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I stated my position on the scenario set out by Joe and the video. Not all the other hypotheticals presented in this thread.
Answering all these other hypotheticals doesn't really help IMO.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I’ve seen many picks changed in FFPC high stakes, so I am not understanding the argument of the league buy-in has a role here. Switch the pick and be done with it.
I do lots of auctions and last year I fat fingered a 100$ opening bid instead of 10$. We reversed it, no harm no foul as long as the person making the mistake says so right away. You can’t say something a few picks or rounds later, that would too bad my friend.
I do lots of auctions and last year I fat fingered a 100$ opening bid instead of 10$. We reversed it, no harm no foul as long as the person making the mistake says so right away. You can’t say something a few picks or rounds later, that would too bad my friend.
Interesting that it took off on social media. Lots of interesting replies.
Wrigley
Footballguy
I used to bring old draft mags to our draft, I'd rip off the cover and leave them laying around
Fred Land and Ray Carruth were both drafted by unsuspecting owners one year.
MikesVikes
Footballguy
It's a fairly obvious choice. Some draft sites only show the first initial and a few characters of the last name instead of the full name, position and team name.
