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I'd suggest you watch that play again. I've watched it a dozen times. There was nothing but hand-checking going on by both of them until Jackson extended his right arm into Hope's chest. No matter if he got an advantage by doing or not, he's going to get flagged when it's in the endzone and 5 feet from the official who is starting at him.
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1. So let me get this straight, because I've watched the play a dozen times now. A WR can extend his arm into the chest of the DB 5 feet in front of an official watching the play and expect to not get flagged for it? And the reasoning is because other people have gotten away with it? When the WR extends his arm, it's supposed to get flagged even if it isn't always called. Period. Jackson didn't even have to do it.2. Watch the play. Haggans beat him on the outside, and as he's getting around him, Locklear has a hold of Haggans' right arm with his right arm. Not holding? Possibly a ticky tack call, but when the play is made on a blitzing linebacker coming off the edge, it's plainly visible to the officials.
Hey man, it's for people harping on the time of possession thing. TOP is great when you can convert it into points - the Steelers got their points without using a lot of clock, so that makes the TOP thing pretty meaningless.
It's been awesome, and I don't think I've stopped smiling all day... I probably won't stop for a while, either! No amount of useless complaining and unjustified whining can ruin this one!And it's been awesome that the Seahawk fans in general have been so congratulatory in defeat. If I was a fan of the Seahawks, I'd feel sick today... and as a Steelers fan, I know all too well what it feels like to get to a championship game only to watch it slip away when you don't think it should have.
Wrong thread.
You mean other than the blatant block in the back on Roethlisberger on the INT return that would've had the Seahawks starting around midfield instead of on the 20?Or the Stevens INT that was called an incomplete pass? Even though it was probably meaningless, it was still a bad call.
Yeah like those. Anyone know of any?
Do you remember exactly which game that was? I pointed this out earlier today, but I couldn't remember in which game it happened.
Because they know.
I don't have the benefit of TiVo, so I'm going off memory here, but I saw two helmet to helmet hits by Seattle players that were not called. In fact, I believe that a flag was picked up on one and "no personal foul is called on the play".Just something off the top of my head. I think the officiating was poor all around. The calls that went 'against' Seattle just happened to be on critical plays, and they lost; therefore sparking the controversy.
from my recollections of the game.
As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.Here is why.for a close play like that, the ref should call no TD, and then review to see if it was. this way if it is still uncertain you can uphold it and no TD.
there should not be TDs scored where nobody really knows if it was a real TD.
As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.Here is why.
there should not be TDs scored where nobody really knows if it was a real TD.
Bens TD
Excellent photo.
Excellent!!!!! That should end the controversy there.... but I have my doubts.As I recall, The official did not say the replay was inconclusive, he said the play stands as called on the field.Here is why.
there should not be TDs scored where nobody really knows if it was a real TD.
Bens TD
Hi TJ,I agree. He was going on about this like he went on about the Denver game. It was sort of funny in that I kind of agreed with what he was saying in principle but his delivery was such that after a while I was more on the Pittsbugh side of things...
I believe it was Week 12 on MNF, Steelers @ Colts. Near the end of the first half, the Colts intercepted the ball. During the return, the Steelers were called for the same penalty as Hasselbeck. The rule applies to "after a change in possession" but I'm not sure if it applies to rolling into blockers or rolling into the ball carrier. It may be the correct application of an odd rule, or it could be a missed call.
Joe,In your opinion, did Hasselbeck touch a Steeler blocker before touching Ike Taylor as he returned the interception? I'm asking because the rule states that a player cannot roll into blockers after a change in possession.
Settle down there, Francis. Name calling is such a compelling argument.If you bother to wade through some of the postings, you will see that fans of many other teams have agreed with Steeler fans on many of the debated calls. Fans from the Broncos, Colts, Packers and Bears, among others, have weighed in on the "Steeler side" -- even Browns, Raiders and Patriots fans, surprisingly, have weighed in pro-Steeler!
So you didn't see the Pittsburgh player CLEARLY grab DJax 3 times before DJax touched the guy? I guess you also missed the part where the official doesn't even think about reaching for his flag until the Pitt guy jumps up and down whining about the pushoff. I mean you say that it was 5 feet in front of the ref so he had to call it. I've watched it 10 times on Tivo and the ref doesn't even reach for the flag until the Pitt DB starts jumping up and down in the ref's face then all of a sudden the flag comes in for OPI. This game was flat out HANDED to Pittsburgh so that they could get their perfect ending of Bettis winning his final game in his hometown. I don't even like either one of these teams, but it was obvious that the officiating was completely biased to Pitt.BTW, add the delay of game to your list of blown calls. Remember what Pitt got the first down by after they allowed the timeout? Yep, 1 freaking yard. They would have been 4 yards short of a first if the refs didn't blow that call as well. That would've given Seattle the ball back with 5+ minutes left on the clock.
Also add the spot of the ball in the first half when Seattle came up inches short on 3rd down. This play should have been challenged by Holmgren, but the refs still spotted the ball around 2-3 ft short of where it should have been.If you have Tivo you should also watch the trick play that Ward got his TD on. I haven't seen it, but supposedly Wynstram got mugged (obvious hold).
This has been covered already in another thread. The official whiffs on his first effort to find the flag, there is a certain reaction time that is to be expected, and frankly, I don't care if he waits if he makes the right call. THAT'S the question. Is it a call that can arguably made? If I say yes and you say no, then I guess we saw it differently. What makes you right and me wrong if we saw thinigs differently?On your second point, that's just silly. Don't you think the Steelers might have changed the play if they needed more yardage for the first down? That's my favorite part of all of this speculation. All you do is tell everyone how if this call is made and that call isn't made, the Seahawks get 17 more points. You make conclusions on how the rest of the game would have played out, i.e., Shaun Alexander would have certainly scored (just like we all knew Bettis would score from the 2 yard line at Indy). If the officials called the game differently, if Josh Brown makes one or both field goals, the game is changed, and from that point, it all could be different. However, you cannot assume the Steelers only score 21 points. They didn't need to try to score more points once they got the 21-10 lead.
Was he being blocked by number 78? 78 absolutely tackled someone and no one mentions it at all. Also if you watch Ward's block on the FWP touchdown he has both hands on the outside of the DB's jersey holding the #### out of him.
You must be talking about the Hasselbeck scramble. Everyone that was watching the game at my house freaked out about that spot, even the Steelers' fans.
Hello again, Chaz.You and everyone else can pick apart all 133 snaps from scrimmage if you want. There are at least three points all the anti-Steeler contingent cannot seem to accept or understand:
Couldn't agree more.One that always makes me laugh is when he gives the 3 prop bets per night leading up to the Super Bowl, and says "You can ACTUALLY bet a million dollars on these props!"
It's not my picture, but if you cannot see the ball that is directly below his helmet, then there's nothing that can ever convince you.When I first saw the goal line replay, I noticed how Ben was pushed back, but even with the push back, the ball was an inch or so away from the goal line. It seemed simple enough to me to figure out that if the ball was an inch or so away after the push, then before being pushed back, the ball had to be above at least the leading edge of the goal line. Therefore, it is a TD.
I am a believer that the officiating didn't cos the Seahawks the game. Seattle had plenty of chances to overcome some questionable calls. They dominated the first half and only got 3 points. That is one of many reasons they lost.That being said, this photo proves nothing. Was it taken after he was down short of the goal line and pushed the ball past the line?
