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DAILY Broncos Training Camp Report (1 Viewer)

I really hope Holdman is alright. It looks like SLB is starting to rival WR in terms of number of injuries- hopefully this is just a training camp thing and not indicative of things to come this season.

Apparently Hixon dislocated his shoulder. WR depth is getting razor thin with Marshall, Rod, and now Hixon out.I'm beginning to think Walker and Stokley need a bump in their projections.
Graham and Scheffler too. Kircus is solid he can be serviceable in a pinch.
I'm not going to bump up Scheffler till he gets on the practice field. He is still on the PUP.
we need to put to rest this myth that the TE in Denver is `fantasy gold`..since Sharpe retired, we've heard about 15 guys who were supposed to be the next big thing. Hasn't happened yet, and probably won't. Putzier.Graham.Scheffler.Carswell.Chamberlain.Desmond Clark.etc. :hot: I'm sure we can work Kevin Bacon into that rotation somewhow... its a waste of time to even consider a Denver TE as anything more than an extra lineman/blocker..they're useless..Denver isn't even as good for RB's as it used to be, but I'm going to give Trav Henry the benefit of the doubt.the RBBC Shanny has tried since Portis left, has backfired. He'll now revert to a 1-back deal, where that guy rushes for about 1500-1600 yards and 15 tds..Henry is MONEY this season! :thumbup:
First off, Denver TEs *ARE* potential fantasy gold, if one guy can ever grab the job. The problem isn't that Denver doesn't use its TEs, the problem is that they've been TEBC since Sharpe retired. In 2000, Desmond Clark/Byron Chamberlain/Dwayne Carswell combined for 98/1117/7. In 2001, without Sharpe, the Denver TEs went for 88/891/10. In 2002-2003, Sharpe was back and TE production as a whole actually DECLINED (82/875/5 and 72/857/9). In 2004, Denver's TEs combined for 66/805/7. 2005 was a very down year for Denver's TEs (62/675/4), but a large part of that is because Shanahan instead used Fullback Kyle Johnson where he normally used his TEs (17/160/5 receiving for Johnson). Last year was a HORRIBLE year for the Denver TEs (38/469/6), although it was Denver's worst passing season across the board in Shanny's tenure. I still think that Denver's TE position is a sleeping giant, and if one guy ever gets even 80% of the opportunities, like Sharpe did, that guy is going to be a stud. The Graham signing has dampened my enthusiasm considerably, though, since the likelihood of one guy getting 80% of the opps just fell through the floor.
This along with the Walker news only supports the idea that Marshall is overrated.
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I really hope Holdman is alright. It looks like SLB is starting to rival WR in terms of number of injuries- hopefully this is just a training camp thing and not indicative of things to come this season.

Apparently Hixon dislocated his shoulder. WR depth is getting razor thin with Marshall, Rod, and now Hixon out.I'm beginning to think Walker and Stokley need a bump in their projections.
Graham and Scheffler too. Kircus is solid he can be serviceable in a pinch.
I'm not going to bump up Scheffler till he gets on the practice field. He is still on the PUP.
we need to put to rest this myth that the TE in Denver is `fantasy gold`..since Sharpe retired, we've heard about 15 guys who were supposed to be the next big thing. Hasn't happened yet, and probably won't. Putzier.Graham.Scheffler.Carswell.Chamberlain.Desmond Clark.etc. :hot: I'm sure we can work Kevin Bacon into that rotation somewhow... its a waste of time to even consider a Denver TE as anything more than an extra lineman/blocker..they're useless..Denver isn't even as good for RB's as it used to be, but I'm going to give Trav Henry the benefit of the doubt.the RBBC Shanny has tried since Portis left, has backfired. He'll now revert to a 1-back deal, where that guy rushes for about 1500-1600 yards and 15 tds..Henry is MONEY this season! :thumbup:
First off, Denver TEs *ARE* potential fantasy gold, if one guy can ever grab the job. The problem isn't that Denver doesn't use its TEs, the problem is that they've been TEBC since Sharpe retired. In 2000, Desmond Clark/Byron Chamberlain/Dwayne Carswell combined for 98/1117/7. In 2001, without Sharpe, the Denver TEs went for 88/891/10. In 2002-2003, Sharpe was back and TE production as a whole actually DECLINED (82/875/5 and 72/857/9). In 2004, Denver's TEs combined for 66/805/7. 2005 was a very down year for Denver's TEs (62/675/4), but a large part of that is because Shanahan instead used Fullback Kyle Johnson where he normally used his TEs (17/160/5 receiving for Johnson). Last year was a HORRIBLE year for the Denver TEs (38/469/6), although it was Denver's worst passing season across the board in Shanny's tenure. I still think that Denver's TE position is a sleeping giant, and if one guy ever gets even 80% of the opportunities, like Sharpe did, that guy is going to be a stud. The Graham signing has dampened my enthusiasm considerably, though, since the likelihood of one guy getting 80% of the opps just fell through the floor.
This along with the Walker news only supports the idea that Marshall is overrated.
:lmao:
Oh and big surprise, Stokely is looking good as well. :lmao:
 
Is it possible these scouting reports are reflecting a slight "homer" optimism or should we be bumping up Henry, Walker, Cutler, Stokley, and Sapp on our draft lists?...

 
Is it possible these scouting reports are reflecting a slight "homer" optimism or should we be bumping up Henry, Walker, Cutler, Stokley, and Sapp on our draft lists?...
Lammey's not a Denver fan.
Steelers fan all my life. Probably because when I was a kid they were winning 4 SBs in 6 years.I picked up Bloom from the airport so I missed this mornings practice. NO FEAR because Big Sean Baca was there and took awesome notes. Bloom is typing them up right now!
 
Is it possible these scouting reports are reflecting a slight "homer" optimism or should we be bumping up Henry, Walker, Cutler, Stokley, and Sapp on our draft lists?...
Lammey's not a Denver fan.
Steelers fan all my life. Probably because when I was a kid they were winning 4 SBs in 6 years.I picked up Bloom from the airport so I missed this mornings practice. NO FEAR because Big Sean Baca was there and took awesome notes. Bloom is typing them up right now!
You missed practice to pick up Bloom? Make that lazy ******* walk from the airport. That is not a valid reason to miss training camp damnit.HA!Is Bloom typing up yesterdays defensive notes as well? You said Sean took some defensive notes yesterday as well.
 
Seans notes:

Denver Broncos Training Camp Report

8/2/2007

Scrimmage

- O Line looks poor again. DD Lewis had a free shot at Jay Cutler

- Then a False Start

- Jailbreak blitz – got picked up – hot route read by Patrick Ramsey, Dominique Foxworth jumped and broke up the pass

- Back to back false starts

- Mike Bell went off tackle right, went airborne, Warrick Holdman went limp immediately. Eventually moved, but taken off on cart as a precaution. Very somber and quiet moment at camp.

- Jay Cutler to Javon Walker as soon as pressure comes

- Run game being owned inside and out by defense inside and out, even beating Andre Hall to the corner

- Excellent blitz pickup allows Cutler to find Quincy Morgan on the hot route for a touchdown

- Pass Rush starts getting to Cutler

- Backside defense breaks down – Cutler to Brian Clark for a TD – defense fooled

- DJ Williams overpursues and sheds blocks instead of taking them on

- Preston Parsons doing a good job of holding the defense with his head

- Darrell Hackney not reading defense on rollout, laying receiver to dry – great throw but poor read

Scrimmage with Referees

- Defense – excellent at gap response on run defense

- Andre Hall – great job of running north/south hard and low, falls forward

- O-line still not focused – false starts

- Brian Clark tried a one hand catch on his knees – not a great reaction

- Domenik Hixon did a great job pushing Dre Bly upfield and breaking out for a clean catch while running with the 1st team

- Travis Henry showed great vision, lost his balance because he didn’t expect to break through, otherwise would have been a TD run

- Mike Bell and Nate Webster meet again in the hold, hard collision

- Patrick Ramsey – great blitz read and dump off to Selvin Young who BLEW UP Dominique Foxworth at the end of the run

- Quincy Morgan dropped a pass because he heard footsteps, defense reacted well to underneath route

- Hamza Abdullah made a great play to drop Andre Hall in the open field

- Young fumbles a toss from Parsons, it was a poor toss but should have been handled

- Defense reacted better to play action after being burned at first

- Tim Crowder did a great job staying at home on a play fake and sacked Cutler

- Play action was not effective for the 1st team O against the 2nd team D

- David Kircus and Cecil Sapp were running with the 2nd team

- Thoroughout the practice there were few run lanes available anywhere

- Slip screen goes for 20 yards against Bly, great play call, poor reaction

- Sapp showed great vision and cutback ability, but John Lynch sat him down on his ####

- D.D Lewis played some with the 1st team D

- John Engelberger sacked Ramsey, another great job staying at home by a defensive lineman

- Elvis Dumervil and Jarvis Moss ran with the first team D some

- Hixon, Kircus, and Jeff Shoate worked as punt returners

7 on 7

- Daniel Graham did a great job flattening out his route to create separation

- Kyle Johnson practiced with the first team and looked great as a receiver

- Ramsey threw a ball that looked like a certain pick by Bly, but Quincy Morgan made an incredible diving catch over Bly’s back

- Ramsey made a nice read and throw to Mike Leach, but he did not secure the ball and Williams knocked it out

- Ramsey threw a deep ball on the money to Kircus for a touchdown on first down

- Hixon is still shy after his separated shoulder, dropped every five yard out

- Stephen Alexander did a great job on a square out – flat and strong

- Hamza Abdullah jawed “throw it to him” to Parsons after he blanketed Graham

- Hixon had a great square break – Bly was late to react

- Lewis got deep enough in coverage to deflect a Cutler pass

- Hackney doesn’t display enough patience – checking down too soon

- Williams could have killed Henry on a swing pass that was a poor read by Cutler (Henry showed him some love after)

- Ramsey was looking sharp until he laid Alexander out to dry over the middle

- Hixon later showed strong hands making a clean catch

Route Work

- Walker running routes as well as you’ll see, fluid in and out of breaks

- David Kircus had multiple drops

- Brian Clark looked good

- David Terrell was slow and choppy in and out of breaks

- Coaches had to talk to Selvin Young about body catching

- Henry had clean routes

- Hall showed great routes and hands

More O vs D

- Henry fumbled and Ekuban recovered

- Williams still overpursuing

- D-Line still owning O-Line in running game

- Mike Bell showed good patience setting up blocks

- Second team O-Line was opening holes for Bell

- Hall hit a small gap hard and fell forward for the first down

- Williams blew Henry up in the hole with a great read

- David Kircus ran some with the first team

- Bell showed more patience, but fumbled after slight contact

- Play action fake still froze backside D

- Young sped to the edge but ran out of room, he needs to turn upfield earlier

 
Is it possible these scouting reports are reflecting a slight "homer" optimism or should we be bumping up Henry, Walker, Cutler, Stokley, and Sapp on our draft lists?...
Lammey's not a Denver fan.
Steelers fan all my life. Probably because when I was a kid they were winning 4 SBs in 6 years.I picked up Bloom from the airport so I missed this mornings practice. NO FEAR because Big Sean Baca was there and took awesome notes. Bloom is typing them up right now!
You missed practice to pick up Bloom? Make that lazy ******* walk from the airport. That is not a valid reason to miss training camp damnit.HA!Is Bloom typing up yesterdays defensive notes as well? You said Sean took some defensive notes yesterday as well.
:lmao:Blooms passed out asleep (must be the mountain air)
 
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?

 
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Seans notes:Denver Broncos Training Camp Report8/2/2007Scrimmage- O Line looks poor again. DD Lewis had a free shot at Jay Cutler- Then a False Start- Jailbreak blitz – got picked up – hot route read by Patrick Ramsey, Dominique Foxworth jumped and broke up the pass- Back to back false starts- Mike Bell went off tackle right, went airborne, Warrick Holdman went limp immediately. Eventually moved, but taken off on cart as a precaution. Very somber and quiet moment at camp.- Jay Cutler to Javon Walker as soon as pressure comes- Run game being owned inside and out by defense inside and out, even beating Andre Hall to the corner- Excellent blitz pickup allows Cutler to find Quincy Morgan on the hot route for a touchdown- Pass Rush starts getting to Cutler- Backside defense breaks down – Cutler to Brian Clark for a TD – defense fooled- DJ Williams overpursues and sheds blocks instead of taking them on- Preston Parsons doing a good job of holding the defense with his head- Darrell Hackney not reading defense on rollout, laying receiver to dry – great throw but poor readScrimmage with Referees- Defense – excellent at gap response on run defense- Andre Hall – great job of running north/south hard and low, falls forward- O-line still not focused – false starts- Brian Clark tried a one hand catch on his knees – not a great reaction- Domenik Hixon did a great job pushing Dre Bly upfield and breaking out for a clean catch while running with the 1st team- Travis Henry showed great vision, lost his balance because he didn’t expect to break through, otherwise would have been a TD run- Mike Bell and Nate Webster meet again in the hold, hard collision- Patrick Ramsey – great blitz read and dump off to Selvin Young who BLEW UP Dominique Foxworth at the end of the run- Quincy Morgan dropped a pass because he heard footsteps, defense reacted well to underneath route- Hamza Abdullah made a great play to drop Andre Hall in the open field- Young fumbles a toss from Parsons, it was a poor toss but should have been handled- Defense reacted better to play action after being burned at first- Tim Crowder did a great job staying at home on a play fake and sacked Cutler- Play action was not effective for the 1st team O against the 2nd team D- David Kircus and Cecil Sapp were running with the 2nd team- Thoroughout the practice there were few run lanes available anywhere- Slip screen goes for 20 yards against Bly, great play call, poor reaction- Sapp showed great vision and cutback ability, but John Lynch sat him down on his ####- D.D Lewis played some with the 1st team D- John Engelberger sacked Ramsey, another great job staying at home by a defensive lineman- Elvis Dumervil and Jarvis Moss ran with the first team D some- Hixon, Kircus, and Jeff Shoate worked as punt returners7 on 7- Daniel Graham did a great job flattening out his route to create separation- Kyle Johnson practiced with the first team and looked great as a receiver- Ramsey threw a ball that looked like a certain pick by Bly, but Quincy Morgan made an incredible diving catch over Bly’s back- Ramsey made a nice read and throw to Mike Leach, but he did not secure the ball and Williams knocked it out- Ramsey threw a deep ball on the money to Kircus for a touchdown on first down- Hixon is still shy after his separated shoulder, dropped every five yard out- Stephen Alexander did a great job on a square out – flat and strong- Hamza Abdullah jawed “throw it to him” to Parsons after he blanketed Graham- Hixon had a great square break – Bly was late to react- Lewis got deep enough in coverage to deflect a Cutler pass- Hackney doesn’t display enough patience – checking down too soon- Williams could have killed Henry on a swing pass that was a poor read by Cutler (Henry showed him some love after)- Ramsey was looking sharp until he laid Alexander out to dry over the middle- Hixon later showed strong hands making a clean catchRoute Work- Walker running routes as well as you’ll see, fluid in and out of breaks- David Kircus had multiple drops- Brian Clark looked good- David Terrell was slow and choppy in and out of breaks- Coaches had to talk to Selvin Young about body catching- Henry had clean routes- Hall showed great routes and handsMore O vs D- Henry fumbled and Ekuban recovered- Williams still overpursuing- D-Line still owning O-Line in running game- Mike Bell showed good patience setting up blocks- Second team O-Line was opening holes for Bell- Hall hit a small gap hard and fell forward for the first down- Williams blew Henry up in the hole with a great read- David Kircus ran some with the first team- Bell showed more patience, but fumbled after slight contact- Play action fake still froze backside D- Young sped to the edge but ran out of room, he needs to turn upfield earlier
The only thing crazier than having this much detail captured for training camp action, is that I'm ready and enjoying every bit of it...! :ptts:
 
Other situations (besides DJ Williams) that I'll be monitering closely...

The offensive line

The backup RB spot, Bell, Hall or Sapp? I'm not convinced that Mike Bell has this wrapped up.

Domenik Hixon, I'm not convinced that Marshall can stay healthy. Stokley has his role and Quincy Morgan, eh, not so much.

Who emerges as the pass catching TE, Grahm or Schefller.

I like Cutler in '07

I really like T.Henry in '07

I love J.Walker in '07

The Defense could end up being a top 5 DT

 
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just got home, a ton of work to do. We got to talk with Chris Mortensen today on Alfred Williams' show on AM 950 The Fan. Mort gave us the scoop!

Bloom and I will post our thoughts asap

 
Bloom's report:

End Zone Drill

Brian Clark fought the ball

Quincy Morgan with a nice subtle NFL pushoff

David Kircus had good quicks at the line to get free

Brian Clark hesitant at the line of scrimmage

David Kircus with another quick fake

David Terrell very slow

Quincy Morgan with a great head and shoulders fake

David Kircus could not free himself once Dre Bly got his hands on him

Dre Bly has great natural hands

Javon Walker was very strong hand fighting to get free

Domenik Hixon had nice stutter step to get both feet in

Domenik Hixon attacked the ball at its highest point

Dre Bly always sells out to make plays

Brian Clark attacks ball at highest point

A DB got called for holding on David Kircus and Dre Bly immediately jumped to his defense saving "Circus" held first

Third Down Drill

Cutler hits Graham on a rollout - Graham went to full extension smoothly and showed soft hands

Travis Henry getting very small through the hole

Cutler effortlessly executes play fake and rollout throw to Nate Jackson

Cecil Sapp showed good vision on a cutback to find daylight

Andre Hall runs very low and is the quickest of the RBs

Cutler is very composed under pressure and demonstrates great field vision

Ian Gold owned Erik Pears on a blitz and got to Cutler

Andre Hall gets to the corner very easily

D-Line continues to clog run lanes

Ebenezer Ekuban gets great pressure and destroys whoevers blocking him when he blitzes as opposed to lining up as a rush end with his hand on the ground

Two Minute Drill

Tim Crowder and Jarvis Moss both covered the tight end when they were lined up on the strong side

Tim Crowder lined up inside a few times

Nate Jackson had a bad drop on an easy pass, then made a sprawling catch that drew a cheer from the crowd

Quincy Morgan has been going all out the whole practice and made a full extension diving catch that drew a huge cheer

David Kircus had one bad drop

Domenik Hixon made the transition from catching the ball to yards after catch mode very quickly and showed good RAC instincts

Brian Clark showed natural hands catching throughout this drill, including on one ball no more than six inches off the ground

Daniel Graham was targeted a lot during this drill, got open and caught most everything thrown to him

Jeff Shoate had two sure interceptions that he dropped on consecutive plays including one that would have went for six

Travis Henry showed great hands the few times he was targeted

Henry and Mike Bell both lined up wide as the offense went empty backfield

Henry again getting very small going through the hole

Andre Hall again getting to the corner very easily

Cecil Sapp again showing a sharp cut to get to daylight

David Kircus does not have enough speed to get separation

Play of the Day

DJ Williams blitzes through a huge gap up the middle. Cutler spots him immediately and calmly rolls to his right, Williams harmlessly overpursues and rusn through where Cutler was, he didn’t change direction to pursue Cutler at all. Javon Walker got behind Champ Bailey and Cutler with little effort threw the ball about 55 yards to Walker - Bailey showed incredible recovery speed and leaping ability and tipped the ball, but Walker still hauled it in, showing amazing concentration. It got the largest crowd reaction of the day by far.

 
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MORE VIDEO from Friday's camp...

Gotta love Cutler's arm! :thumbup:
Thanks for posting this!:Play of the Day

DJ Williams blitzes through a huge gap up the middle. Cutler spots him immediately and calmly rolls to his right, Williams harmlessly overpursues and rusn through where Cutler was, he didn’t change direction to pursue Cutler at all. Javon Walker got behind Champ Bailey and Cutler with little effort threw the ball about 55 yards to Walker - Bailey showed incredible recovery speed and leaping ability and tipped the ball, but Walker still hauled it in, showing amazing concentration. It got the largest crowd reaction of the day by far.

 
So Cecil my question is after watching Henry live, in practice atleast, how would you rate him for this year?

 
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So Cecil my questiont iis after watching Henry live, in practice atleast, how would you rate him for this year?
Bloom and I were discussing this yesterday. I think that Henry will be a top 6 back in 2007. Now, he must stay healthy and hold on to the ball - but he can be a top back in this offense.
 
:coffee: This is awesome. Saturday coffee in NC and I feel like I'm in Denver.

Excellent reporting and Thanks.

I hear Marcus Thomas could be the steal of the draft but, how is Moss looking?

I hear small and lost? Is that true? moving up 4 spots to land him in the 1st puts the expectation high and I expect the veterans want to see the 1st rounder earning his keep.

What do you see?

 
I hear small and lost? Is that true? moving up 4 spots to land him in the 1st puts the expectation high and I expect the veterans want to see the 1st rounder earning his keep.What do you see?
Moss is not looking small, or lost, but the buzz around camp is much more about Tim Crowder than Moss. Most observers feel Moss is only going to be a pass rush specialist, while Crowder is looking like a three down end, who can also move inside - a similar player to Ebukan. Moss is getting more confident and flashing some of the moves he showed at Florida. Talking to people around camp about the DEs, the word is that Jim Bates LOVES Dumervil.
 
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So Cecil my questiont iis after watching Henry live, in practice atleast, how would you rate him for this year?
Bloom and I were discussing this yesterday. I think that Henry will be a top 6 back in 2007. Now, he must stay healthy and hold on to the ball - but he can be a top back in this offense.
That's really what I'm thinking right now too. I can't see taking him out of the top 5. I just see him being HUGE this year.
 
With Brandon Marshall not practicing, I give my props to Bloom for overcoming the disappointment of not seeing him, and still being able to do the report. :goodposting:

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Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
:goodposting:I have an opinion but am interested in the eyes-on take.
 
2stix said:
:unsure: This is awesome. Saturday coffee in NC and I feel like I'm in Denver.Excellent reporting and Thanks.I hear Marcus Thomas could be the steal of the draft but, how is Moss looking? I hear small and lost? Is that true? moving up 4 spots to land him in the 1st puts the expectation high and I expect the veterans want to see the 1st rounder earning his keep.What do you see?
Thomas has missed some practice time, but he looks great when he's out there. Clearly my favorite rookie for the Broncos. Tim Crowder is getting a lot of love from the press as well. Jarvis has an ARRAY of moves that he can unleash. He is also gaining confidence from his first few days. Earlier in camp the veteran linemen were abusing him, now he is the one dealing out the punishment.
 
What's the word on the WR situation? Is Marshall making progress? Any idea who's gonna start opposite Walker for now? Great reporting so far guys...thanks.

 
I heard Mort today on the radio and he said Stokley was looking great in training camp. He said he looked like he was in midseason form and a favorite to start @ the #2 wr spot day 1 and be the possession wr.

 
8/4 Training Camp Report

BLOOMS NOTES

Practice was in full pads today and very intense as the players knew they had the rest of the weekend off. Marcus Thomas still is out and his calf was wrapped. Brandon Marshall is out until at least Monday (Mike Shanahan said he didn’t know if Marshall would be back when asked), and Brandon Stokely also had the day off.

Rushing Drills

- Mike Bell unsuccessfully tried an underwhelming spin move

- Brian Clark made a nice hands catch

- Jay Cutler showed excellent touch on the fade multiple times

- Travis Henry dips and swerves through the hole and loses little momentum

- Cecil Sapp seems to relish collisions and got lower than Hamza Abdullah, pushing him backward on a one on one open field tackle

- Stephen Alexander battled Tim Crowder to a stalemate in run blocking

- Selvin Young stumbled a few times making cuts, but had his best run of the day on a straight ahead run, showing a great burst through the hole

- The D Line continued to have the upper hand and consistently clogged run lanes

- Kenard Lang got owned by NFL Europa OT Cliff Washburn

Goal Line Drill

- Nick Ferguson didn’t give up and knocked the ball out of Kyle Johnson’s hands after Johnson had beaten him on a route

- Jay Cutler continued to show terrific composure under pressure, and impressively patiently waited for a small windows to open between multiple defenders on one TD throw

- Andre Hall showed terrific burst through the hole and left John Lynch grasping at air on a TD run

- Domenik Hixon easily shrugged off a DB who was hanging on to him after a catch

- Andre Hall showed great second effort on a goal line run, keeping his feet churning after initially running into the pile

- Selvin Young tried to sky over the pile and got blown up

- Antwon Burton flattened Cecil Sapp on a goal line run

- Kyle Johnson got stood up on his one goal line run

Mid Field Drill

- Dominique Foxworth clung to Brian Clark and broke up consecutive passes

- Daniel Graham got inside position again Nick Ferguson and converted a big downfield play

- Brian Clark has little burst/explosion in his routes

- Jeff Shoate redeemed himself after dropping two INTs yesterday with a beautiful INT on a pass that he read perfectly

- Mike Bell half-heartedly tried to run out a carry to the end zone and Steve Cargile caught up and knocked the ball out from behind

- Hamza Abdullah had a great strip from Daniel Graham on one that Graham should have been able to hold on to

- DJ Williams resisted overpursuing and stuffed a cutback run

- Selvin Young surprisingly was able to get to the corner more than once

- Two or Three defensive players tried to sandwich Cecil Sapp and they took the worst of it

- Mike Bell again attempted a weak spin move and got nailed before he could finish it

- Javon Walker had a beautiful catch in stride of a ball that got popped up at the line of scrimmage by a defensive lineman

- Cecil Sapp continues to show crisp cuts and you can tell he loves to initiate contact

- Mike Bell showed good balance going through a few small holes

- Karl Paymah attacked Mike Bell and kept him from getting the corner, Bell does not have the speed to get there

- Jarvis Moss batted down a Cutler pass like a beach volleyball player

- DLine continues to win most battles on run plays, giving the RBs little room to run

- Andre Hall showed top notch quicks and moves in space and definitely gives a different look than any of the other Denver RBs

- Darrell Hackney tried to hit David Kircus deep and Jeff Shoate would not let him get back inside and easily broke up the pass

- Brian Clark made another nice diving catch on a low ball as practice came to a close

PLAY OF THE DAY

After we saw Travis Henry playfully throw a halfback option pass in a no defense passing drill, Cecil Sapp shotputted a perfect pass to a wide open Stephen Alexander in the goal line drill. It will be interesting to see if the Broncos run this play at all in their preseason games.

 
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Jene Bramel said:
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
:(I have an opinion but am interested in the eyes-on take.
I'm all ears :goodposting:
 
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
I feel that DJ Williams will struggle through his transition, but the Broncos will stick with him through thick and thin. Fantasy wise - he'll get his points
 
Jene Bramel said:
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
:thumbdown:I have an opinion but am interested in the eyes-on take.
I'm all ears :)
:)I wanted to hear the eyes-on opinion from Cec and Sig because there's two kinds of over-pursuit to me. Some over-pursuit is a function of being aggressive and working to get to the ball. That can be corrected and reined in to some extent. Some over-pursuit is reckless and a sign of poor linebacker instincts -- not reading keys correctly, poor discipline, etc. That can be more difficult to coach out of a guy.I'm higher than just about anyone else around on DJ Williams, so read this with appropriately colored eyeglasses. The over-pursuit thing doesn't bother me -- yet. What has me a little bugged is Cec's strong opinion that Williams isn't "hard-nosed" enough for the job. I've never had that impression in my limited observation but Cec is closer to the situation than any of us. I was hopeful that Baca and Bloom would see a different Williams. That appears to not be the case based on the observation that he has preferred to run around blocks than take them on at the point of attack.From an IDP perspective, we're probably nitpicking. This scheme, the observations about the success of the defensive line against a pretty good offensive line and Sig's note that Williams may now be "resisting" the urge to over-pursue are all good signs. There aren't many MLBs with the perfect marriage of aggressiveness and discipline. As Cec says, Williams is going to look good in the boxscore. Whether he's a Pro Bowler is yet to be determined.
 
Cecil, I'm seeing a lot of notes about the D-Line pretty much dominating the O-Line in rushing drills. Are we looking at a really strong D-Line, a struggling O-Line, or something in between? This is really starting to make me feel queasy.

 
I love me some Andre Hall. From the daily reports it sure sounds like Henry, Sapp and Hall have made the team with Bell and Young fighting for a roster spot.

 
ConstruxBoy said:
I love me some Andre Hall. From the daily reports it sure sounds like Henry, Sapp and Hall have made the team with Bell and Young fighting for a roster spot.
Me too from what I've been reading. Where do you guys think Hall and Young stand from a Dynasty standpoint? Granted, Denver is always shuffling the RB deck every year, but it almost seems that Hall might be being "groomed" into a bigger future role. Maybe I'm :rolleyes: I particularly love the "showed terrific burst through the hole and left John Lynch grasping at air on a TD run" quote.
 
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
I feel that DJ Williams will struggle through his transition, but the Broncos will stick with him through thick and thin. Fantasy wise - he'll get his points
I wanted to hear the eyes-on opinion from Cec and Sig because there's two kinds of over-pursuit to me. Some over-pursuit is a function of being aggressive and working to get to the ball. That can be corrected and reined in to some extent. Some over-pursuit is reckless and a sign of poor linebacker instincts -- not reading keys correctly, poor discipline, etc. That can be more difficult to coach out of a guy.I'm higher than just about anyone else around on DJ Williams, so read this with appropriately colored eyeglasses. The over-pursuit thing doesn't bother me -- yet. What has me a little bugged is Cec's strong opinion that Williams isn't "hard-nosed" enough for the job. I've never had that impression in my limited observation but Cec is closer to the situation than any of us. I was hopeful that Baca and Bloom would see a different Williams. That appears to not be the case based on the observation that he has preferred to run around blocks than take them on at the point of attack.From an IDP perspective, we're probably nitpicking. This scheme, the observations about the success of the defensive line against a pretty good offensive line and Sig's note that Williams may now be "resisting" the urge to over-pursue are all good signs. There aren't many MLBs with the perfect marriage of aggressiveness and discipline. As Cec says, Williams is going to look good in the boxscore. Whether he's a Pro Bowler is yet to be determined.
Thanks for both of your opinions, much appreciated :goodposting:
 
does anyone think Hixon can win the #2 wr spot with a good preseason? Im having a tough time believing Shannahan wont make that spot an open competition, and think Stokely is more secure in his #3 slot position than Marshall is as the #2 opposite Walker

 
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
:rolleyes:I have an opinion but am interested in the eyes-on take.
I'm all ears :thumbup:
:thumbup:I wanted to hear the eyes-on opinion from Cec and Sig because there's two kinds of over-pursuit to me. Some over-pursuit is a function of being aggressive and working to get to the ball. That can be corrected and reined in to some extent. Some over-pursuit is reckless and a sign of poor linebacker instincts -- not reading keys correctly, poor discipline, etc. That can be more difficult to coach out of a guy.I'm higher than just about anyone else around on DJ Williams, so read this with appropriately colored eyeglasses. The over-pursuit thing doesn't bother me -- yet. What has me a little bugged is Cec's strong opinion that Williams isn't "hard-nosed" enough for the job. I've never had that impression in my limited observation but Cec is closer to the situation than any of us. I was hopeful that Baca and Bloom would see a different Williams. That appears to not be the case based on the observation that he has preferred to run around blocks than take them on at the point of attack.From an IDP perspective, we're probably nitpicking. This scheme, the observations about the success of the defensive line against a pretty good offensive line and Sig's note that Williams may now be "resisting" the urge to over-pursue are all good signs. There aren't many MLBs with the perfect marriage of aggressiveness and discipline. As Cec says, Williams is going to look good in the boxscore. Whether he's a Pro Bowler is yet to be determined.
I think what he is struggling with most is not so much over pursuing (although at times it is certainly the case, but that's true of all speedy backers in the league) as it is not playing his position from the inside out rather from the outside in, as he is accustomed to doing as an OLB but is a very noticable flaw in an ILB. He reads the play well and is in the hole and in correct position but he looks to play the blockers outside shoulder and funnel the play back inside, unfortunatly there is nobody there to make the tackle once he commits his shoulders to the outside and the running back cuts underneath and is into the secondary. It's not the lack of being "hard nosed" so much as it's a natural instinct for him to get upfield and not a natural instinct to take the block on and create a pile rather than a running lane. He is reading the keys well and needs some work on getting through the "trash" along the line but that is improving as it is certain to continue to improve with every rep. He will gladly meet the back in the hole at full speed and show to hesitation to go heads up but when it comes to the blocks he needs to apply the same thought process. Whether it IS a lack of willingness to do so or just an insinctual habit he needs to break, only time will tell but he has the reads down so the rest is up to him.
 
I think what he is struggling with most is not so much over pursuing (although at times it is certainly the case, but that's true of all speedy backers in the league) as it is not playing his position from the inside out rather from the outside in, as he is accustomed to doing as an OLB but is a very noticable flaw in an ILB. He reads the play well and is in the hole and in correct position but he looks to play the blockers outside shoulder and funnel the play back inside, unfortunatly there is nobody there to make the tackle once he commits his shoulders to the outside and the running back cuts underneath and is into the secondary. It's not the lack of being "hard nosed" so much as it's a natural instinct for him to get upfield and not a natural instinct to take the block on and create a pile rather than a running lane. He is reading the keys well and needs some work on getting through the "trash" along the line but that is improving as it is certain to continue to improve with every rep. He will gladly meet the back in the hole at full speed and show to hesitation to go heads up but when it comes to the blocks he needs to apply the same thought process. Whether it IS a lack of willingness to do so or just an insinctual habit he needs to break, only time will tell but he has the reads down so the rest is up to him.
That's a great explanation and makes 100% sense, thanks Sean.
 
Cecil, do you feel DJ Williams' propensity to overpursue is something that's easily correctable ie. is it just an adjustment to the MLB position, or is it something that IDP'ers should really keep an eye on?
:thumbup:I have an opinion but am interested in the eyes-on take.
I'm all ears :pickle:
:)I wanted to hear the eyes-on opinion from Cec and Sig because there's two kinds of over-pursuit to me. Some over-pursuit is a function of being aggressive and working to get to the ball. That can be corrected and reined in to some extent. Some over-pursuit is reckless and a sign of poor linebacker instincts -- not reading keys correctly, poor discipline, etc. That can be more difficult to coach out of a guy.I'm higher than just about anyone else around on DJ Williams, so read this with appropriately colored eyeglasses. The over-pursuit thing doesn't bother me -- yet. What has me a little bugged is Cec's strong opinion that Williams isn't "hard-nosed" enough for the job. I've never had that impression in my limited observation but Cec is closer to the situation than any of us. I was hopeful that Baca and Bloom would see a different Williams. That appears to not be the case based on the observation that he has preferred to run around blocks than take them on at the point of attack.From an IDP perspective, we're probably nitpicking. This scheme, the observations about the success of the defensive line against a pretty good offensive line and Sig's note that Williams may now be "resisting" the urge to over-pursue are all good signs. There aren't many MLBs with the perfect marriage of aggressiveness and discipline. As Cec says, Williams is going to look good in the boxscore. Whether he's a Pro Bowler is yet to be determined.
I think what he is struggling with most is not so much over pursuing (although at times it is certainly the case, but that's true of all speedy backers in the league) as it is not playing his position from the inside out rather from the outside in, as he is accustomed to doing as an OLB but is a very noticable flaw in an ILB. He reads the play well and is in the hole and in correct position but he looks to play the blockers outside shoulder and funnel the play back inside, unfortunatly there is nobody there to make the tackle once he commits his shoulders to the outside and the running back cuts underneath and is into the secondary. It's not the lack of being "hard nosed" so much as it's a natural instinct for him to get upfield and not a natural instinct to take the block on and create a pile rather than a running lane. He is reading the keys well and needs some work on getting through the "trash" along the line but that is improving as it is certain to continue to improve with every rep. He will gladly meet the back in the hole at full speed and show to hesitation to go heads up but when it comes to the blocks he needs to apply the same thought process. Whether it IS a lack of willingness to do so or just an insinctual habit he needs to break, only time will tell but he has the reads down so the rest is up to him.
Awesome. This is exactly what I was looking for.Thanks Sean.
 

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