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[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

And this bad passer has 2 WRs being drafted in the top 15 to 20 in all leagues. Enough with the nonsense.

People also seem to go “Well AJ Brown is ELITE bro” but also gloss over the fact he is a 3x ALL PRO in his 3 seasons in Philly w Jalen as the passer.

Right because he wasn’t a monster before.

I’m not sure, I’m just saying it’s kind of odd if the premise is he’s not a great QB, AJB IS elite, yet never made an all pro until he came over here. A run oriented team that doesn’t put up gaudy passing numbers, similar to an offense he came from where ya know they had an actual “real” QB and all, yet still…never made an All Pro until “Rb Playing QB” was I guess throwing ducks up all day and AJB so good just made him look better than he actually is.

This is hard.

AP SECOND TEAM, Mr. Condescending.

If using your own words sound condescending…well….

NEVER an original thought. Is there something in the water in PA where you and deamon just repeat what I say?

 

[msudaisy26]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

I do owe you an apology. I thought you hated Hurts because he was an Eagle, but you owe me an apology because you are a hater. You hate running qbs because you cant fathom a NFL where the best qbs are mobile.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

Ugh. This is so far off you're undermining your credibility. I mean, badly.

Very good running backs. Not great passers. Sure they can hit the receiver running across the field into the zone of the defender spying the RB playing QB.

That doesn’t make them Dam Marino.

 

[msudaisy26]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

Ugh. This is so far off you're undermining your credibility. I mean, badly.

Very good running backs. Not great passers. Sure they can hit the receiver running across the field into the zone of the defender spying the RB playing QB.

That doesn’t make them Dam Marino.

They aren't running backs you are just stuck in the 1980s.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

I do owe you an apology. I thought you hated Hurts because he was an Eagle, but you owe me an apology because you are a hater. You hate running qbs because you cant fathom a NFL where the best qbs are mobile.

That sounds truly awful. A bunch of dudes who run every time the **** hit the fan.

Oh man, fun!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

Ugh. This is so far off you're undermining your credibility. I mean, badly.

Very good running backs. Not great passers. Sure they can hit the receiver running across the field into the zone of the defender spying the RB playing QB.

That doesn’t make them Dam Marino.

They aren't running backs you are just stuck in the 1980s.

I don’t think it’s outdated to want a quarterback who’s best ability is putting the ball in tight spaces under pressure. This is accomplished by years and years of throwing the football, training that arm talent.

Not running around like a chicken because you weren’t able to read the defense pre-snap. When the crap hits the fan I want to hit the check down or throw it away.

These running QBs have always been able to tuck it and run when the crap hits the fan and it works all the up and even in the NFL- for a short time.

Unless your team is super loaded it’s almost always works out like it does for Lamar. A lame, miserable desperation heave - if they even get the ball off.

 

[msudaisy26]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

I do owe you an apology. I thought you hated Hurts because he was an Eagle, but you owe me an apology because you are a hater. You hate running qbs because you cant fathom a NFL where the best qbs are mobile.

That sounds truly awful. A bunch of dudes who run every time the **** hit the fan.

Oh man, fun!

Because taking a sack or just throwing it away is so awesome.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

I do owe you an apology. I thought you hated Hurts because he was an Eagle, but you owe me an apology because you are a hater. You hate running qbs because you cant fathom a NFL where the best qbs are mobile.

That sounds truly awful. A bunch of dudes who run every time the **** hit the fan.

Oh man, fun!

Because taking a sack or just throwing it away is so awesome.

Right, because running quarterbacks don’t get sacked, A lot?

What’s wrong with throwing the ball to a receiver?

 

[General Malaise]

I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts.

Unless you prefer quarterbacks to play......quarterback

Hurts is a runner behind the best OL and the best collective skill players in the league. OL1, RB1, WR both ranked 5to 15 ish? Godirt is a top 10 TE and blocker Stuff is open because of the skill players. They win despite him being a runner. Stafford, Brady, and yes, even Dak would DEMOLISH Hurts passing numbers.

So no, plenty of sane people would take Dak over Hurts if all things wee equal.

AI Overview

The question of whether Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts is the better quarterback is subjective, but generally, Dak Prescott is considered a more skilled passer with better pre-snap reads and accuracy, while Jalen Hurts is a more dynamic and mobile player with a higher ceiling, particularly excelling in the postseason and with the read option. Prescott has often had superior regular-season numbers, including better passer rating and completion percentages, but Hurts has a more notable playoff resume, including a Super Bowl appearance.



Dak Prescott's Strengths

• Passing Accuracy and Skill:
  Prescott is a more polished passer with better overall throwing ability and accuracy.
• 
  
• Football IQ:
  He demonstrates a higher football IQ, good pre-snap reads, and better command of the offense.
  
  
• 
  
• Regular Season Consistency:
  Prescott has consistently posted higher passer ratings and completion percentages in the regular season.
  
  
• 
  
• All-Around Playmaker:
  He has shown significant growth as a playmaker, manipulating the field and leading his team to wins.

Jalen Hurts' Strengths

• Mobility and Explosiveness:
  Hurts is a significantly better runner, more dynamic, and more explosive, with a stronger ability to escape the pocket.
• 
  
• Postseason Success:
  He has achieved notable success in the playoffs, including two NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.
  
  
• 
  
• Dynamic Offense:
  His mobility and ability to impact the game with his legs make the Eagles' offense more dynamic.

Key Factors to Consider

• Playstyle:
  Prescott offers a more traditional, pass-first approach, while Hurts brings a more run-pass threat with his feet.
• 
  
• Supporting Cast:
  Both players have had strong supporting casts, which contributes to their overall success.
  
  
• 
  
• Offensive Scheme:
  Hurts' success is partly due to his ability to utilize the read option and the "tush push" effectively, which is more a feature of the Eagles' scheme than a unique QB skill.
  
  
• 
  
• Experience and Development:
  Prescott has a longer track record as a starter, but Hurts has demonstrated a clear improvement and has a higher ceiling for some analysts

Whatever it is you wan to call him, the rest of the world is calling him Super Bowl MVP today. I'll take that over Dak and his 2.5% INT rate in the playoffs.

You said there isn’t a sane person who would take Dak over Hurts. I’m not sitting here pining for Prescott. I do think he’s far more adept than Hurts when it comes to playing the position of quarterback specifically throwing the ball.

You put Dak on Philly and he throws for 5k and 40 tds EASY.

Again, I can crap all over Hurts and yall can call me a hater or whatever, I’m just callin it how I see it.

Okay, there is ONE person who would select Dak over Hurts.

I think you're on an island of one here but maybe I'm dead wrong.

I believe you said “insane”.

These were my words:

"I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts."

I don't consider you "insane". Ergo, you are the only Cowboys' fan I'm aware of that would choose Dak over Hurts to Quarterback their team. Maybe I am mistaken but as a Dallas fan, I'd take Jalen every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why? He's a proven winner. Period.

All your rebuttals are just conjecture. We have no idea what Dak looks like on another team. Nor Jalen. But we do know Jalen outplayed Mahomes in two super bowls, has one MVP while Dak can't make it to the NFC Championship game because he throws the ball to the wrong team at the worst time (not that there is a good time).

The playoff exits to San Francisco (twice) and Green Bay are largely on his shoulders. All Hurts does is win. Curious choice but you do you.

I’m not gonna defend Prescott. My point wan Precott isn’t great and yet he’s still a better quarterback than Hurts.

It’s not that big of a deal as there’s 10 quarterbacks better than Hurts right now.

Really? He outplayed Mahomes twice in the Super Bowl, has one SB MVP and is the 4th to 6th fantasy QB ranked on all websites I know of including this one. All he does is win.

Your bias is really strong here and that's fine, I admire it as a Dallas' fan but jiminey crickets are you embracing a very strange non-concensus opinion here. I hate Philadelphia as much as anybody but good lord, man.....

You keep saying that he outplayed Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Did they play against the same defense or something because what the does Mahomes struggling against the Eagles defense have anything to do with Jalen hurts?

Are we talking about the same first Super Bowl where he fumbled away the win right before the half?

Or the second where the eagles defense manhandled the Chiefs offense?

Good player- better system is all I’m saying.

As far as the general consensus - who cares about the majority of what people think? The majority of people are morons.

But I get it. Everybody is saying this so it must be true.

So I guess you’re right I’m on an island because I don’t go along with what everyone else says. I like it here on this island.

You suggesting the Chiefs' defense isn't on par with the Eagles is laughable. I'm just gonna sit back and let you continue on this asinine crusade of yours. The axe you have to grind against Hurts is truly something. Keep it going, it's fun to watch.

 

[rockaction]

I don’t think it’s outdated to want a quarterback who’s best ability is putting the ball in tight spaces under pressure.

And Josh Allen fails at this task how? That's a fair precondition, but tell me how Allen doesn't consistently do that.

 

[General Malaise]

I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts.

Unless you prefer quarterbacks to play......quarterback

Hurts is a runner behind the best OL and the best collective skill players in the league. OL1, RB1, WR both ranked 5to 15 ish? Godirt is a top 10 TE and blocker Stuff is open because of the skill players. They win despite him being a runner. Stafford, Brady, and yes, even Dak would DEMOLISH Hurts passing numbers.

So no, plenty of sane people would take Dak over Hurts if all things wee equal.

AI Overview

The question of whether Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts is the better quarterback is subjective, but generally, Dak Prescott is considered a more skilled passer with better pre-snap reads and accuracy, while Jalen Hurts is a more dynamic and mobile player with a higher ceiling, particularly excelling in the postseason and with the read option. Prescott has often had superior regular-season numbers, including better passer rating and completion percentages, but Hurts has a more notable playoff resume, including a Super Bowl appearance.



Dak Prescott's Strengths

• Passing Accuracy and Skill:
  Prescott is a more polished passer with better overall throwing ability and accuracy.
• 
  
• Football IQ:
  He demonstrates a higher football IQ, good pre-snap reads, and better command of the offense.
  
  
• 
  
• Regular Season Consistency:
  Prescott has consistently posted higher passer ratings and completion percentages in the regular season.
  
  
• 
  
• All-Around Playmaker:
  He has shown significant growth as a playmaker, manipulating the field and leading his team to wins.

Jalen Hurts' Strengths

• Mobility and Explosiveness:
  Hurts is a significantly better runner, more dynamic, and more explosive, with a stronger ability to escape the pocket.
• 
  
• Postseason Success:
  He has achieved notable success in the playoffs, including two NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.
  
  
• 
  
• Dynamic Offense:
  His mobility and ability to impact the game with his legs make the Eagles' offense more dynamic.

Key Factors to Consider

• Playstyle:
  Prescott offers a more traditional, pass-first approach, while Hurts brings a more run-pass threat with his feet.
• 
  
• Supporting Cast:
  Both players have had strong supporting casts, which contributes to their overall success.
  
  
• 
  
• Offensive Scheme:
  Hurts' success is partly due to his ability to utilize the read option and the "tush push" effectively, which is more a feature of the Eagles' scheme than a unique QB skill.
  
  
• 
  
• Experience and Development:
  Prescott has a longer track record as a starter, but Hurts has demonstrated a clear improvement and has a higher ceiling for some analysts

Whatever it is you wan to call him, the rest of the world is calling him Super Bowl MVP today. I'll take that over Dak and his 2.5% INT rate in the playoffs.

You said there isn’t a sane person who would take Dak over Hurts. I’m not sitting here pining for Prescott. I do think he’s far more adept than Hurts when it comes to playing the position of quarterback specifically throwing the ball.

You put Dak on Philly and he throws for 5k and 40 tds EASY.

Again, I can crap all over Hurts and yall can call me a hater or whatever, I’m just callin it how I see it.

Okay, there is ONE person who would select Dak over Hurts.

I think you're on an island of one here but maybe I'm dead wrong.

I believe you said “insane”.

These were my words:

"I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts."

I don't consider you "insane". Ergo, you are the only Cowboys' fan I'm aware of that would choose Dak over Hurts to Quarterback their team. Maybe I am mistaken but as a Dallas fan, I'd take Jalen every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why? He's a proven winner. Period.

All your rebuttals are just conjecture. We have no idea what Dak looks like on another team. Nor Jalen. But we do know Jalen outplayed Mahomes in two super bowls, has one MVP while Dak can't make it to the NFC Championship game because he throws the ball to the wrong team at the worst time (not that there is a good time).

The playoff exits to San Francisco (twice) and Green Bay are largely on his shoulders. All Hurts does is win. Curious choice but you do you.

I’m not gonna defend Prescott. My point wan Precott isn’t great and yet he’s still a better quarterback than Hurts.

It’s not that big of a deal as there’s 10 quarterbacks better than Hurts right now.

I am not the biggest Hurts fan, but there isn't 10.qbs better than him. 5 or 6

Without the tush push, I think it's fair to say there are about 15 better passing QBs than Hurts, if not more.

Lamar, Allen, Daniels, Burrow, Mayfield, Mahomes, Purdy, Goff, Prescott, Love, Herbert, Stroud, Nix, Murray, Lawrence, Maye. Shoot, I think there might be 20 better passing QBs in the league. But yes, his rushing upside and tush push make him a valuable FF QB for sure.

Curious without looking it up, where you think Hurts ranked in QB rating last year and/or which of these QBs ranked in front of him.

He’s not a great passer.

You guys are acting like he is Tebow.

Only this terrible passer has one Super Bowl MVP and would have had 2 had Philly hung on in '23.

This "bad passer" had 525 passing yards 3 TDs, 148 yards rushing and 4 TDs on the ground.

Just haters gonna hate at this point.

There it is. “Haters gonna hate”

We disagree so it makes me a hater. Got it, bro very enlightened of you.

No it is the fact that you casually said 10 qbs are better than him like he Geno Smith. There are 4 to 6 qbs that are no doubt better than him and then 6 to 8 more that we can debate. Plus you said if you put Dak on Philly he throws for 5k and 40 tds when that isn't what the Eagles coaching staff want to do. Add in the fact that the qb you said will do that is on your favorite team and the qb you are talking trash about is on your favorite teams rival and yes that makes you a hater. Own it.

Oh, I think Hurts is an absolute unit- He’s just not a great quarterback.

Again, doesn’t make me a hater.

For the hundredth time, I’m not defending Prescott only giving him as an example of a guy who is absolutely without a doubt unquestionably a better passer than Jalen hurts. Now I might be wrong, but last I heard passing was what quarterbacks do.

Running is what Jalen hurts does best

Passing to the wrong team at the wrong time is the reason why Dak isn’t elite and never will be. The world thought Tony Romo was the anti-clutch QB and then Dak said "HOLD MY BEER!"

Ball don't lie. 3 premature playoff exits, all featuring inexcusable INTs by your "great passer".

 

[msudaisy26]

I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts.

Unless you prefer quarterbacks to play......quarterback

Hurts is a runner behind the best OL and the best collective skill players in the league. OL1, RB1, WR both ranked 5to 15 ish? Godirt is a top 10 TE and blocker Stuff is open because of the skill players. They win despite him being a runner. Stafford, Brady, and yes, even Dak would DEMOLISH Hurts passing numbers.

So no, plenty of sane people would take Dak over Hurts if all things wee equal.

AI Overview

The question of whether Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts is the better quarterback is subjective, but generally, Dak Prescott is considered a more skilled passer with better pre-snap reads and accuracy, while Jalen Hurts is a more dynamic and mobile player with a higher ceiling, particularly excelling in the postseason and with the read option. Prescott has often had superior regular-season numbers, including better passer rating and completion percentages, but Hurts has a more notable playoff resume, including a Super Bowl appearance.



Dak Prescott's Strengths

• Passing Accuracy and Skill:
  Prescott is a more polished passer with better overall throwing ability and accuracy.
• 
  
• Football IQ:
  He demonstrates a higher football IQ, good pre-snap reads, and better command of the offense.
  
  
• 
  
• Regular Season Consistency:
  Prescott has consistently posted higher passer ratings and completion percentages in the regular season.
  
  
• 
  
• All-Around Playmaker:
  He has shown significant growth as a playmaker, manipulating the field and leading his team to wins.

Jalen Hurts' Strengths

• Mobility and Explosiveness:
  Hurts is a significantly better runner, more dynamic, and more explosive, with a stronger ability to escape the pocket.
• 
  
• Postseason Success:
  He has achieved notable success in the playoffs, including two NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.
  
  
• 
  
• Dynamic Offense:
  His mobility and ability to impact the game with his legs make the Eagles' offense more dynamic.

Key Factors to Consider

• Playstyle:
  Prescott offers a more traditional, pass-first approach, while Hurts brings a more run-pass threat with his feet.
• 
  
• Supporting Cast:
  Both players have had strong supporting casts, which contributes to their overall success.
  
  
• 
  
• Offensive Scheme:
  Hurts' success is partly due to his ability to utilize the read option and the "tush push" effectively, which is more a feature of the Eagles' scheme than a unique QB skill.
  
  
• 
  
• Experience and Development:
  Prescott has a longer track record as a starter, but Hurts has demonstrated a clear improvement and has a higher ceiling for some analysts

Whatever it is you wan to call him, the rest of the world is calling him Super Bowl MVP today. I'll take that over Dak and his 2.5% INT rate in the playoffs.

You said there isn’t a sane person who would take Dak over Hurts. I’m not sitting here pining for Prescott. I do think he’s far more adept than Hurts when it comes to playing the position of quarterback specifically throwing the ball.

You put Dak on Philly and he throws for 5k and 40 tds EASY.

Again, I can crap all over Hurts and yall can call me a hater or whatever, I’m just callin it how I see it.

Okay, there is ONE person who would select Dak over Hurts.

I think you're on an island of one here but maybe I'm dead wrong.

I believe you said “insane”.

These were my words:

"I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts."

I don't consider you "insane". Ergo, you are the only Cowboys' fan I'm aware of that would choose Dak over Hurts to Quarterback their team. Maybe I am mistaken but as a Dallas fan, I'd take Jalen every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why? He's a proven winner. Period.

All your rebuttals are just conjecture. We have no idea what Dak looks like on another team. Nor Jalen. But we do know Jalen outplayed Mahomes in two super bowls, has one MVP while Dak can't make it to the NFC Championship game because he throws the ball to the wrong team at the worst time (not that there is a good time).

The playoff exits to San Francisco (twice) and Green Bay are largely on his shoulders. All Hurts does is win. Curious choice but you do you.

I’m not gonna defend Prescott. My point wan Precott isn’t great and yet he’s still a better quarterback than Hurts.

It’s not that big of a deal as there’s 10 quarterbacks better than Hurts right now.

Really? He outplayed Mahomes twice in the Super Bowl, has one SB MVP and is the 4th to 6th fantasy QB ranked on all websites I know of including this one. All he does is win.

Your bias is really strong here and that's fine, I admire it as a Dallas' fan but jiminey crickets are you embracing a very strange non-concensus opinion here. I hate Philadelphia as much as anybody but good lord, man.....

You keep saying that he outplayed Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Did they play against the same defense or something because what the does Mahomes struggling against the Eagles defense have anything to do with Jalen hurts?

Are we talking about the same first Super Bowl where he fumbled away the win right before the half?

Or the second where the eagles defense manhandled the Chiefs offense?

Good player- better system is all I’m saying.

As far as the general consensus - who cares about the majority of what people think? The majority of people are morons.

But I get it. Everybody is saying this so it must be true.

So I guess you’re right I’m on an island because I don’t go along with what everyone else says. I like it here on this island.

You suggesting the Chiefs' defense isn't on par with the Eagles is laughable. I'm just gonna sit back and let you continue on this asinine crusade of yours. The axe you have to grind against Hurts is truly something. Keep it going, it's fun to watch.

It isn't Hurts it is all running qbs.

 

[General Malaise]

And this bad passer has 2 WRs being drafted in the top 15 to 20 in all leagues. Enough with the nonsense.

Nonsesne!!!!

Got it.

Keep it going, GB. You're doing great!

Thanks but you’re just one person GB. You know how it works, a lot of people have to say it then it’s safe for you to say it. No original thoughts or ideas!!!!

Until then my thoughts, opinions and feelings- it’s just nonsense or hater talk.

It is pretty silly to argue that Hurts isn't an elite NFL QB when he's the reigning Super Bowl MVP but please, go on.

 

[General Malaise]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

 

[Pots]

I should not have popped in here. Absolutely filled with bad takes.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts.

Unless you prefer quarterbacks to play......quarterback

Hurts is a runner behind the best OL and the best collective skill players in the league. OL1, RB1, WR both ranked 5to 15 ish? Godirt is a top 10 TE and blocker Stuff is open because of the skill players. They win despite him being a runner. Stafford, Brady, and yes, even Dak would DEMOLISH Hurts passing numbers.

So no, plenty of sane people would take Dak over Hurts if all things wee equal.

AI Overview

The question of whether Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts is the better quarterback is subjective, but generally, Dak Prescott is considered a more skilled passer with better pre-snap reads and accuracy, while Jalen Hurts is a more dynamic and mobile player with a higher ceiling, particularly excelling in the postseason and with the read option. Prescott has often had superior regular-season numbers, including better passer rating and completion percentages, but Hurts has a more notable playoff resume, including a Super Bowl appearance.



Dak Prescott's Strengths

• Passing Accuracy and Skill:
  Prescott is a more polished passer with better overall throwing ability and accuracy.
• 
  
• Football IQ:
  He demonstrates a higher football IQ, good pre-snap reads, and better command of the offense.
  
  
• 
  
• Regular Season Consistency:
  Prescott has consistently posted higher passer ratings and completion percentages in the regular season.
  
  
• 
  
• All-Around Playmaker:
  He has shown significant growth as a playmaker, manipulating the field and leading his team to wins.

Jalen Hurts' Strengths

• Mobility and Explosiveness:
  Hurts is a significantly better runner, more dynamic, and more explosive, with a stronger ability to escape the pocket.
• 
  
• Postseason Success:
  He has achieved notable success in the playoffs, including two NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.
  
  
• 
  
• Dynamic Offense:
  His mobility and ability to impact the game with his legs make the Eagles' offense more dynamic.

Key Factors to Consider

• Playstyle:
  Prescott offers a more traditional, pass-first approach, while Hurts brings a more run-pass threat with his feet.
• 
  
• Supporting Cast:
  Both players have had strong supporting casts, which contributes to their overall success.
  
  
• 
  
• Offensive Scheme:
  Hurts' success is partly due to his ability to utilize the read option and the "tush push" effectively, which is more a feature of the Eagles' scheme than a unique QB skill.
  
  
• 
  
• Experience and Development:
  Prescott has a longer track record as a starter, but Hurts has demonstrated a clear improvement and has a higher ceiling for some analysts

Whatever it is you wan to call him, the rest of the world is calling him Super Bowl MVP today. I'll take that over Dak and his 2.5% INT rate in the playoffs.

You said there isn’t a sane person who would take Dak over Hurts. I’m not sitting here pining for Prescott. I do think he’s far more adept than Hurts when it comes to playing the position of quarterback specifically throwing the ball.

You put Dak on Philly and he throws for 5k and 40 tds EASY.

Again, I can crap all over Hurts and yall can call me a hater or whatever, I’m just callin it how I see it.

Okay, there is ONE person who would select Dak over Hurts.

I think you're on an island of one here but maybe I'm dead wrong.

I believe you said “insane”.

These were my words:

"I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts."

I don't consider you "insane". Ergo, you are the only Cowboys' fan I'm aware of that would choose Dak over Hurts to Quarterback their team. Maybe I am mistaken but as a Dallas fan, I'd take Jalen every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why? He's a proven winner. Period.

All your rebuttals are just conjecture. We have no idea what Dak looks like on another team. Nor Jalen. But we do know Jalen outplayed Mahomes in two super bowls, has one MVP while Dak can't make it to the NFC Championship game because he throws the ball to the wrong team at the worst time (not that there is a good time).

The playoff exits to San Francisco (twice) and Green Bay are largely on his shoulders. All Hurts does is win. Curious choice but you do you.

I’m not gonna defend Prescott. My point wan Precott isn’t great and yet he’s still a better quarterback than Hurts.

It’s not that big of a deal as there’s 10 quarterbacks better than Hurts right now.

Really? He outplayed Mahomes twice in the Super Bowl, has one SB MVP and is the 4th to 6th fantasy QB ranked on all websites I know of including this one. All he does is win.

Your bias is really strong here and that's fine, I admire it as a Dallas' fan but jiminey crickets are you embracing a very strange non-concensus opinion here. I hate Philadelphia as much as anybody but good lord, man.....

You keep saying that he outplayed Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Did they play against the same defense or something because what the does Mahomes struggling against the Eagles defense have anything to do with Jalen hurts?

Are we talking about the same first Super Bowl where he fumbled away the win right before the half?

Or the second where the eagles defense manhandled the Chiefs offense?

Good player- better system is all I’m saying.

As far as the general consensus - who cares about the majority of what people think? The majority of people are morons.

But I get it. Everybody is saying this so it must be true.

So I guess you’re right I’m on an island because I don’t go along with what everyone else says. I like it here on this island.

You suggesting the Chiefs' defense isn't on par with the Eagles is laughable. I'm just gonna sit back and let you continue on this asinine crusade of yours. The axe you have to grind against Hurts is truly something. Keep it going, it's fun to watch.

“Asinine crusade of yours”

Oh my bad, I thought we were having a conversation.

Nice.

 

[wgoldsph]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD

During the covid season Denver had all their qbs on ir, so a wr that played QB in college had to start.
He completed 0 passes.

The idea that someone is "just a running back" when they are better qbs than half the starters league in pure passing ability is simply not accurate. What you're looking for is that they "can beat you multiple ways". Was Darren Sproles not a running back? Was Deebo not a Wr? What about Travis Hunter?

I hate that coaches don't wear suits any more.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD

During the covid season Denver had all their qbs on ir, so a wr that played QB in college had to start.
He completed 0 passes.

The idea that someone is "just a running back" when they are better qbs than half the starters league in pure passing ability is simply not accurate. What you're looking for is that they "can beat you multiple ways". Was Darren Sproles not a running back? Was Deebo not a Wr? What about Travis Hunter?

I hate that coaches don't wear suits any more.

Saying he’s just a running back playing QB isn’t meant literally. Obviously the man can throw the football- he’s just not great at it.

Doesn’t matter. I’m in the minority so people wanna call my thoughts names. It’s alright.

 

[wgoldsph]

Welp old man, y your definition I guess I’m a “hater

You are the one that said hater first.

I just checked the Lamar thread and nothing there from you. Yet very similar qbs, Lamar has one 4k passing season in seven years, and Hurts has zero in five years. I wonder if Lamar was the qb of the Eagles if you would bash him more and ignore Hurts. I think we all know the answer to that.

Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than Lamar and that’s not even close.

Lamar stinks.

Josh Allen stinks

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD

During the covid season Denver had all their qbs on ir, so a wr that played QB in college had to start.
He completed 0 passes.

The idea that someone is "just a running back" when they are better qbs than half the starters league in pure passing ability is simply not accurate. What you're looking for is that they "can beat you multiple ways". Was Darren Sproles not a running back? Was Deebo not a Wr? What about Travis Hunter?

I hate that coaches don't wear suits any more.

Saying he’s just a running back playing QB isn’t meant literally. Obviously the man can throw the football- he’s just not great at it.

Doesn’t matter. I’m in the minority so people wanna call my thoughts names. It’s alright.

Just as long as you know I'm calling your thoughts names and not you as a person then we're all good. For me it's a good natured argument about football, and if you feel like I'm being rude then I apologize.

That said.. I too was exaggerating, clearly you don't think they're actually rbs. My argument is that when someone is above passable at the main skill for their position, it's an addition for them to be able to do many things, not a reason for reclassification. Vick was a running back at qb because he was a below average qb. These guys might not be Burrow, but they aren't Bortles either. Hurts is the worst of the three but Allen and Jackson are in the top five /because/ they have above average passing stats to go along with their rushing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Trust me he could toss 500 yards in this game with 4 TDs

I’d love to see it.

Signed,


— AJB in 4 dynasty leagues

 

[Deamon]

I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts.

Unless you prefer quarterbacks to play......quarterback

Hurts is a runner behind the best OL and the best collective skill players in the league. OL1, RB1, WR both ranked 5to 15 ish? Godirt is a top 10 TE and blocker Stuff is open because of the skill players. They win despite him being a runner. Stafford, Brady, and yes, even Dak would DEMOLISH Hurts passing numbers.

So no, plenty of sane people would take Dak over Hurts if all things wee equal.

AI Overview

The question of whether Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts is the better quarterback is subjective, but generally, Dak Prescott is considered a more skilled passer with better pre-snap reads and accuracy, while Jalen Hurts is a more dynamic and mobile player with a higher ceiling, particularly excelling in the postseason and with the read option. Prescott has often had superior regular-season numbers, including better passer rating and completion percentages, but Hurts has a more notable playoff resume, including a Super Bowl appearance.



Dak Prescott's Strengths

• Passing Accuracy and Skill:
  Prescott is a more polished passer with better overall throwing ability and accuracy.
• 
  
• Football IQ:
  He demonstrates a higher football IQ, good pre-snap reads, and better command of the offense.
  
  
• 
  
• Regular Season Consistency:
  Prescott has consistently posted higher passer ratings and completion percentages in the regular season.
  
  
• 
  
• All-Around Playmaker:
  He has shown significant growth as a playmaker, manipulating the field and leading his team to wins.

Jalen Hurts' Strengths

• Mobility and Explosiveness:
  Hurts is a significantly better runner, more dynamic, and more explosive, with a stronger ability to escape the pocket.
• 
  
• Postseason Success:
  He has achieved notable success in the playoffs, including two NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.
  
  
• 
  
• Dynamic Offense:
  His mobility and ability to impact the game with his legs make the Eagles' offense more dynamic.

Key Factors to Consider

• Playstyle:
  Prescott offers a more traditional, pass-first approach, while Hurts brings a more run-pass threat with his feet.
• 
  
• Supporting Cast:
  Both players have had strong supporting casts, which contributes to their overall success.
  
  
• 
  
• Offensive Scheme:
  Hurts' success is partly due to his ability to utilize the read option and the "tush push" effectively, which is more a feature of the Eagles' scheme than a unique QB skill.
  
  
• 
  
• Experience and Development:
  Prescott has a longer track record as a starter, but Hurts has demonstrated a clear improvement and has a higher ceiling for some analysts

Whatever it is you wan to call him, the rest of the world is calling him Super Bowl MVP today. I'll take that over Dak and his 2.5% INT rate in the playoffs.

You said there isn’t a sane person who would take Dak over Hurts. I’m not sitting here pining for Prescott. I do think he’s far more adept than Hurts when it comes to playing the position of quarterback specifically throwing the ball.

You put Dak on Philly and he throws for 5k and 40 tds EASY.

Again, I can crap all over Hurts and yall can call me a hater or whatever, I’m just callin it how I see it.

Okay, there is ONE person who would select Dak over Hurts.

I think you're on an island of one here but maybe I'm dead wrong.

I believe you said “insane”.

These were my words:

"I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts."

I don't consider you "insane". Ergo, you are the only Cowboys' fan I'm aware of that would choose Dak over Hurts to Quarterback their team. Maybe I am mistaken but as a Dallas fan, I'd take Jalen every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why? He's a proven winner. Period.

All your rebuttals are just conjecture. We have no idea what Dak looks like on another team. Nor Jalen. But we do know Jalen outplayed Mahomes in two super bowls, has one MVP while Dak can't make it to the NFC Championship game because he throws the ball to the wrong team at the worst time (not that there is a good time).

The playoff exits to San Francisco (twice) and Green Bay are largely on his shoulders. All Hurts does is win. Curious choice but you do you.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts.

Unless you prefer quarterbacks to play......quarterback

Hurts is a runner behind the best OL and the best collective skill players in the league. OL1, RB1, WR both ranked 5to 15 ish? Godirt is a top 10 TE and blocker Stuff is open because of the skill players. They win despite him being a runner. Stafford, Brady, and yes, even Dak would DEMOLISH Hurts passing numbers.

So no, plenty of sane people would take Dak over Hurts if all things wee equal.

AI Overview

The question of whether Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts is the better quarterback is subjective, but generally, Dak Prescott is considered a more skilled passer with better pre-snap reads and accuracy, while Jalen Hurts is a more dynamic and mobile player with a higher ceiling, particularly excelling in the postseason and with the read option. Prescott has often had superior regular-season numbers, including better passer rating and completion percentages, but Hurts has a more notable playoff resume, including a Super Bowl appearance.



Dak Prescott's Strengths

• Passing Accuracy and Skill:
  Prescott is a more polished passer with better overall throwing ability and accuracy.
• 
  
• Football IQ:
  He demonstrates a higher football IQ, good pre-snap reads, and better command of the offense.
  
  
• 
  
• Regular Season Consistency:
  Prescott has consistently posted higher passer ratings and completion percentages in the regular season.
  
  
• 
  
• All-Around Playmaker:
  He has shown significant growth as a playmaker, manipulating the field and leading his team to wins.

Jalen Hurts' Strengths

• Mobility and Explosiveness:
  Hurts is a significantly better runner, more dynamic, and more explosive, with a stronger ability to escape the pocket.
• 
  
• Postseason Success:
  He has achieved notable success in the playoffs, including two NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance.
  
  
• 
  
• Dynamic Offense:
  His mobility and ability to impact the game with his legs make the Eagles' offense more dynamic.

Key Factors to Consider

• Playstyle:
  Prescott offers a more traditional, pass-first approach, while Hurts brings a more run-pass threat with his feet.
• 
  
• Supporting Cast:
  Both players have had strong supporting casts, which contributes to their overall success.
  
  
• 
  
• Offensive Scheme:
  Hurts' success is partly due to his ability to utilize the read option and the "tush push" effectively, which is more a feature of the Eagles' scheme than a unique QB skill.
  
  
• 
  
• Experience and Development:
  Prescott has a longer track record as a starter, but Hurts has demonstrated a clear improvement and has a higher ceiling for some analysts

Whatever it is you wan to call him, the rest of the world is calling him Super Bowl MVP today. I'll take that over Dak and his 2.5% INT rate in the playoffs.

You said there isn’t a sane person who would take Dak over Hurts. I’m not sitting here pining for Prescott. I do think he’s far more adept than Hurts when it comes to playing the position of quarterback specifically throwing the ball.

You put Dak on Philly and he throws for 5k and 40 tds EASY.

Again, I can crap all over Hurts and yall can call me a hater or whatever, I’m just callin it how I see it.

Okay, there is ONE person who would select Dak over Hurts.

I think you're on an island of one here but maybe I'm dead wrong.

I believe you said “insane”.

These were my words:

"I don't think there is a sane, sober or rational Cowboys' fan alive that would choose Dak over Hurts."

I don't consider you "insane". Ergo, you are the only Cowboys' fan I'm aware of that would choose Dak over Hurts to Quarterback their team. Maybe I am mistaken but as a Dallas fan, I'd take Jalen every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why? He's a proven winner. Period.

All your rebuttals are just conjecture. We have no idea what Dak looks like on another team. Nor Jalen. But we do know Jalen outplayed Mahomes in two super bowls, has one MVP while Dak can't make it to the NFC Championship game because he throws the ball to the wrong team at the worst time (not that there is a good time).

The playoff exits to San Francisco (twice) and Green Bay are largely on his shoulders. All Hurts does is win. Curious choice but you do you.

I’m not gonna defend Prescott. My point wan Precott isn’t great and yet he’s still a better quarterback than Hurts.

It’s not that big of a deal as there’s 10 quarterbacks better than Hurts right now.

Really? He outplayed Mahomes twice in the Super Bowl, has one SB MVP and is the 4th to 6th fantasy QB ranked on all websites I know of including this one. All he does is win.

Your bias is really strong here and that's fine, I admire it as a Dallas' fan but jiminey crickets are you embracing a very strange non-concensus opinion here. I hate Philadelphia as much as anybody but good lord, man.....

Took Dak in the 10th last night of the FBG league
Took Hurts in the 4th of other redrafts last week

I like them both for different reasons

 

[renesauz]

it's a divisional game and it's week one. Anything can happen. Teams do dumb thiings early in the season, lose coverages, forget to block blitzers, more formation/motion penalties. I would never bet on any team in this scenario.

That said, Eagles are the far better team. My worthless prediction is mistakes keep this one relatively close for most of it before Saquon and that O line take charge in the 4th quarter and pull it away a little. 27-17 Philly

 

[renesauz]

Funny thing about all the talk about Hurts not being a great passer....I've watched every minute of every game he's played. I'm not sure he's all that great with pre snap reads, but he's improved. BUT...he actually does have the ability to make some wow throws into tight coverage, and has done so many times. He may never be that rhythm passer most people love, but his passing ability is under-rated. HIs skill set makes it unlikely he'll be one of those guys who is still at the top of his craft into his late 30s and 40s but I wouldn't bet against him either, he;s a hard worker that has improved every year.
I expect significantly higher passing stats this year because Eagles aren't going to dominate as easily with teams giving them their best and a not friendly schedule with Barkley unable to carry so much load.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Funny thing about all the talk about Hurts not being a great passer....I've watched every minute of every game he's played. I'm not sure he's all that great with pre snap reads, but he's improved. BUT...he actually does have the ability to make some wow throws into tight coverage, and has done so many times. He may never be that rhythm passer most people love, but his passing ability is under-rated. HIs skill set makes it unlikely he'll be one of those guys who is still at the top of his craft into his late 30s and 40s but I wouldn't bet against him either, he;s a hard worker that has improved every year.
I expect significantly higher passing stats this year because Eagles aren't going to dominate as easily with teams giving them their best and a not friendly schedule with Barkley unable to carry so much load.

For all the smack I talk about Hurts-

His work ethic is incredibly admirable and I think he proved me and everyone else wrong after the left Bama and reinvented himself.

He’s a hell of a football player and I’m sure I was pretty flippant and disrespectful to his game when discussing him last night. I still believe what I believe but I could be far less hyperbolic about it.

 

[renesauz]

Funny thing about all the talk about Hurts not being a great passer....I've watched every minute of every game he's played. I'm not sure he's all that great with pre snap reads, but he's improved. BUT...he actually does have the ability to make some wow throws into tight coverage, and has done so many times. He may never be that rhythm passer most people love, but his passing ability is under-rated. HIs skill set makes it unlikely he'll be one of those guys who is still at the top of his craft into his late 30s and 40s but I wouldn't bet against him either, he;s a hard worker that has improved every year.
I expect significantly higher passing stats this year because Eagles aren't going to dominate as easily with teams giving them their best and a not friendly schedule with Barkley unable to carry so much load.

For all the smack I talk about Hurts-

His work ethic is incredibly admirable and I think he proved me and everyone else wrong after the left Bama and reinvented himself.

He’s a hell of a football player and I’m sure I was pretty flippant and disrespectful to his game when discussing him last night. I still believe what I believe but I could be far less hyperbolic about it.

If we're being fair I've talked down about Dak many times too, but I do think he's an above average to good QB. I'm not sure it's really fair to blame him for the teams lack of post season success, unless you want to blame some on his injuries. I think the biggest problem in Dallas is Jerry and the circus he has encouraged to grow around that team. I mean, the players tunnel is lined in clear glass for fans to watch them? Ridiculous. Put Dak on a stable normal franchise and I have no doubt he could find some post season Ws

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Funny thing about all the talk about Hurts not being a great passer....I've watched every minute of every game he's played. I'm not sure he's all that great with pre snap reads, but he's improved. BUT...he actually does have the ability to make some wow throws into tight coverage, and has done so many times. He may never be that rhythm passer most people love, but his passing ability is under-rated. HIs skill set makes it unlikely he'll be one of those guys who is still at the top of his craft into his late 30s and 40s but I wouldn't bet against him either, he;s a hard worker that has improved every year.
I expect significantly higher passing stats this year because Eagles aren't going to dominate as easily with teams giving them their best and a not friendly schedule with Barkley unable to carry so much load.

For all the smack I talk about Hurts-

His work ethic is incredibly admirable and I think he proved me and everyone else wrong after the left Bama and reinvented himself.

He’s a hell of a football player and I’m sure I was pretty flippant and disrespectful to his game when discussing him last night. I still believe what I believe but I could be far less hyperbolic about it.

If we're being fair I've talked down about Dak many times too, but I do think he's an above average to good QB. I'm not sure it's really fair to blame him for the teams lack of post season success, unless you want to blame some on his injuries. I think the biggest problem in Dallas is Jerry and the circus he has encouraged to grow around that team. I mean, the players tunnel is lined in clear glass for fans to watch them? Ridiculous. Put Dak on a stable normal franchise and I have no doubt he could find some post season Ws

I HATE the circus that he has created.

Jerry is both super awesome but also a detriment. Shame
Because I believe he does care and wants to win- he just wants to do his way and obviously that’s flawed.

 

[msudaisy26]

Funny thing about all the talk about Hurts not being a great passer....I've watched every minute of every game he's played. I'm not sure he's all that great with pre snap reads, but he's improved. BUT...he actually does have the ability to make some wow throws into tight coverage, and has done so many times. He may never be that rhythm passer most people love, but his passing ability is under-rated. HIs skill set makes it unlikely he'll be one of those guys who is still at the top of his craft into his late 30s and 40s but I wouldn't bet against him either, he;s a hard worker that has improved every year.
I expect significantly higher passing stats this year because Eagles aren't going to dominate as easily with teams giving them their best and a not friendly schedule with Barkley unable to carry so much load.

For all the smack I talk about Hurts-

His work ethic is incredibly admirable and I think he proved me and everyone else wrong after the left Bama and reinvented himself.

He’s a hell of a football player and I’m sure I was pretty flippant and disrespectful to his game when discussing him last night. I still believe what I believe but I could be far less hyperbolic about it.

If we're being fair I've talked down about Dak many times too, but I do think he's an above average to good QB. I'm not sure it's really fair to blame him for the teams lack of post season success, unless you want to blame some on his injuries. I think the biggest problem in Dallas is Jerry and the circus he has encouraged to grow around that team. I mean, the players tunnel is lined in clear glass for fans to watch them? Ridiculous. Put Dak on a stable normal franchise and I have no doubt he could find some post season Ws

I HATE the circus that he has created.

Jerry is both super awesome but also a detriment. Shame
Because I believe he does care and wants to win- he just wants to do his way and obviously that’s flawed.

I think Jerry is so stubborn that he would rather fail his way then succeed doing it another way. Maybe that is what you meant by his flaw.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Funny thing about all the talk about Hurts not being a great passer....I've watched every minute of every game he's played. I'm not sure he's all that great with pre snap reads, but he's improved. BUT...he actually does have the ability to make some wow throws into tight coverage, and has done so many times. He may never be that rhythm passer most people love, but his passing ability is under-rated. HIs skill set makes it unlikely he'll be one of those guys who is still at the top of his craft into his late 30s and 40s but I wouldn't bet against him either, he;s a hard worker that has improved every year.
I expect significantly higher passing stats this year because Eagles aren't going to dominate as easily with teams giving them their best and a not friendly schedule with Barkley unable to carry so much load.

For all the smack I talk about Hurts-

His work ethic is incredibly admirable and I think he proved me and everyone else wrong after the left Bama and reinvented himself.

He’s a hell of a football player and I’m sure I was pretty flippant and disrespectful to his game when discussing him last night. I still believe what I believe but I could be far less hyperbolic about it.

If we're being fair I've talked down about Dak many times too, but I do think he's an above average to good QB. I'm not sure it's really fair to blame him for the teams lack of post season success, unless you want to blame some on his injuries. I think the biggest problem in Dallas is Jerry and the circus he has encouraged to grow around that team. I mean, the players tunnel is lined in clear glass for fans to watch them? Ridiculous. Put Dak on a stable normal franchise and I have no doubt he could find some post season Ws

I HATE the circus that he has created.

Jerry is both super awesome but also a detriment. Shame
Because I believe he does care and wants to win- he just wants to do his way and obviously that’s flawed.

Loading up on draft picks and thinking about making a run with the QB and WR in place already, they need a better OL and obviously they shoulda snagged any numerous RBs that were available from this loaded class that has people discussing the 6th and 7th round picks from this past April.

-My point was KC did something similar the last 3 years and won a couple Lombardi Trophies. The backbone of the team was the young defense they built thru the draft quickly and then hide the football in Mahomes' right hand for as much of the game as possible. Dallas will be in position to have impact Drafts the next couple seasons and they still might trade players for more picks.

-Look what the Lions have done over the last 2-3 Draft classes, they've turned the franchise around.
Green Bay is putting a lot of faith in Love at QB, he could still torpedo their dreams if he doesn't continue to evolve. Last year he regressed and also was injured.
Imagine if the Packers were to send over a Top 10 pick to Dallas, Love could still cause lasting damage beyond even the money they are set to pay him for several years.
$79M went into Jordan Love's bank account last year and now $45M to Micah Parsons

Dallas looks terrible right now, Jerry is the roast of media heads but let's see where we are in Dec/Jan or next April before we dismiss the Dallas Cowboys as cellar dwellers for the next decade

 

[Gatorade]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

 

[Terpman22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

 

[Joe Bryant]

First. I know it's Eagles - Cowboys, but please dial back the noise a good bit. Keep it 100% on football and not other posters. Moderators can't handle all the reported posts.

Second, this game is a mismatch. 8.5 for the line I'm seeing now and that doesn't seem nearly enough. Philadelphia roster is tons better than Dallas' roster.

Eagles should win this one easily based on talent.

I know it's a fun matchup but this seems like a terrible choice for an opening game.

 

[Terpman22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

I'm here bro, care to flesh out your position and how I might be incorrect here?

I'd say its even HARDER to win in Today's NFL than Troy's with the run first style that was prevalent back when Troy Played.

And ya know Free Agency came and there went the Cowboys dynasty right after that happened.

So yeah, IMO its even harder in today's NFL.

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

 

[Terpman22]

First. I know it's Eagles - Cowboys, but please dial back the noise a good bit. Keep it 100% on football and not other posters. Moderators can't handle all the reported posts.

Second, this game is a mismatch. 8.5 for the line I'm seeing now and that doesn't seem nearly enough. Philadelphia roster is tons better than Dallas' roster.

Eagles should win this one easily based on talent.

I know it's a fun matchup but this seems like a terrible choice for an opening game.

This will be the biggest game of the year for the Cowboys and fans of both teams have been DYING to see Hurts v Dak for years only to have a few here and there for various reasons, namely injury to the QBs.

The NFL knows theses are big games but with the 75-13 combined score last year of the 2 games with Dak out, the NFL I feel wanted to make sure they at least had this matchup.

For betting purposes - outside the 2 title games and the Super Bowl last year, the opening game was THE most bet on game last year.

Add in "The Most Talked About/Tv Ratings Getting/Most Hated" vein within what the Cowboys are these days and ya know - Jerry definitely having the ear of the Commish, I can see why it is.

Its usually reserved for a "Soon to be/might be contender this year" Team, but at the same time, the Cowboys and Eagles haven't had a season opener since 1970 so its a bit overdue.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Second, this game is a mismatch. 8.5 for the line I'm seeing now and that doesn't seem nearly enough. Philadelphia roster is tons better than Dallas' roster.

I’m focused on the over myself. 47.5 seems low for this matchup.

Hard to say though - I’m not sure what to expect from Dallas D without Parsons.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

How old are you because now you’re wandering into territory that I don’t think you saw.

QBs didn’t throw for gaudy passing numbers because defenses were allowed to hit people.

Do you remember the two step rule? You used to be able to hit the QB AFTER he threw the ball. As hard as you wanted to. Prior to 1995 there was no two step rule and guys like Montana got CREAMED way after they threw the ball and it was rarely if ever called.

Not to mention the countless other rules that have neutered NFL defenses over the years .

I do not think it’s harder to win a SB in this era and I certainly don’t think it’s harder for quarterbacks to put up big numbers.

 

[Hastur]

Yeah, this'll be painful to watch.

 

[Gatorade]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

I'm here bro, care to flesh out your position and how I might be incorrect here?

I'd say its even HARDER to win in Today's NFL than Troy's with the run first style that was prevalent back when Troy Played.

And ya know Free Agency came and there went the Cowboys dynasty right after that happened.

So yeah, IMO its even harder in today's NFL.

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

LOL
So much easier now ?
1- You could actually hit a QB when Aikman played.
2- WRs were routinely molested back then.

 

[Gatorade]

Yeah, this'll be painful to watch.

After the two games last year, Dallas has no where to go but up.

 

[Terpman22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

I'm here bro, care to flesh out your position and how I might be incorrect here?

I'd say its even HARDER to win in Today's NFL than Troy's with the run first style that was prevalent back when Troy Played.

And ya know Free Agency came and there went the Cowboys dynasty right after that happened.

So yeah, IMO its even harder in today's NFL.

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

LOL
So much easier now ?
1- You could actually hit a QB when Aikman played.
2- WRs were routinely molested back then.

I'm confident Jalen Hurts is a throwback type of player that could succeed in the 90s.

I'm not confident Jerry Jones could put together a team like he did back then under current Free Agency rules, b/c well....he hasn't.

I stand by my comparison - both the criticisms of Troy and Hurts.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

I'm here bro, care to flesh out your position and how I might be incorrect here?

I'd say its even HARDER to win in Today's NFL than Troy's with the run first style that was prevalent back when Troy Played.

And ya know Free Agency came and there went the Cowboys dynasty right after that happened.

So yeah, IMO its even harder in today's NFL.

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

LOL
So much easier now ?
1- You could actually hit a QB when Aikman played.
2- WRs were routinely molested back then.

I'm confident Jalen Hurts is a throwback type of player that could succeed in the 90s.

I'm not confident Jerry Jones could put together a team like he did back then under current Free Agency rules, b/c well....he hasn't.

I stand by my comparison - both the criticisms of Troy and Hurts.

Yall give me guff over what I said and this dude is talking about:

Jerry having to build a team in the 1990s under today’s FA rules

Hurts transcends all of time

QB in the 80s and 90s didn’t throw for gaudy numbers -suggesting they weren’t good quarterbacks.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I guess this game should be a blowout on paper. But they don’t play games on paper.

I think it’s a given Philly is going to score a lot. The key match-up will be DAL Offense vs Philly D. The big question marks on Philly D are CB2, Safety2, and EDGE.

Dak is really good at making pre/snap reads and making adjustments at the line. Putting CD in the slot plays into the Eagles’ strengths, because Coop is one of the best nickels in the league already. I see a lot of CD and Pickens on the outside, so they can exploit Jackson and Sydney Brown.

The gamesmanship is how Vic decides to cover up their weaknesses. Does he travel Q with CD and bracket Pickens? And if he does bracket, do you use Brown (yuck) or Reed? Then you leave the other guy alone in deep center? Brown is just flat-out not good in coverage.

People say Dak is the ultimate ‘garbage time’ QB, but the 2nd half is when he shines because he’s seen all the tendencies of the D and makes adjustments to pick apart the weakness. There are going to be some big plays to Pickett, CD and Tolbert/Mingo. There might be enough to keep the game close.

I bet the Eagles cover the spread, and bet the over.

Philly 31
Dallas 20

 

[Terpman22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

I'm here bro, care to flesh out your position and how I might be incorrect here?

I'd say its even HARDER to win in Today's NFL than Troy's with the run first style that was prevalent back when Troy Played.

And ya know Free Agency came and there went the Cowboys dynasty right after that happened.

So yeah, IMO its even harder in today's NFL.

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

LOL
So much easier now ?
1- You could actually hit a QB when Aikman played.
2- WRs were routinely molested back then.

I'm confident Jalen Hurts is a throwback type of player that could succeed in the 90s.

I'm not confident Jerry Jones could put together a team like he did back then under current Free Agency rules, b/c well....he hasn't.

I stand by my comparison - both the criticisms of Troy and Hurts.

Yall give me guff over what I said and this dude is talking about:

Jerry having to build a team in the 1990s under today’s FA rules

Hurts transcends all of time

QB in the 80s and 90s didn’t throw for gaudy numbers -suggesting they weren’t good quarterbacks.

You have a habit of taking a narrative and breaking it down into a semantics argument, so if I need to clarify for you what I mean

Teams Pass More than they did then? I am not wrong

Free agency did not exist at the start of the Cowboys dynasty. I am not wrong.

The Cowboys have not been to a Title Game since that thing Free Agency started. I am not wrong.

Did SOME QBs put up some gaudy numbers? Sure.

But my point is - its a passing game now, it was a running game then.

For the most part now, teams have to win by passing the ball.

For the most part then, team had to win by running the ball.

Looking at the 80s I see Dan Fouts and Marino littered in leading the league in passing for the 80s.

Remind me how many Super Bowls they won or appeared in combined?

Its harder to win the Super Bowl IN TODAY'S GAME by having a run first offense/play defense etc.

You should know this you guys tried this w Dak and Zeke - didn't work.

It was harder to win a Super Bowl in the past by having a Pass First/No Running Game. And yes its due to the rules and the way you could cream QBs back then.

Hence the need for a strong running game.

Modern Day? Best RB on a Mahomes Super Bowl winning team? Ya know that guy that cries for flags all the time b/c he KNOWS ALL TOO WELL how the modern game is played.

If you wanna disagree with me that is fine. My style is to bring info/stats into convos like this.

Folks like you love to go "Homer in the bushes" when it comes to brining in real data/stats etc

Guy just in this thread:

"Hurts sucks at passing"

Well stats show otherwise what do you use bro?

"Height"

Good talk

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I guess this game should be a blowout on paper. But they don’t play games on paper.

I think it’s a given Philly is going to score a lot. The key match-up will be DAL Offense vs Philly D. The big question marks on Philly D are CB2, Safety2, and EDGE.

Dak is really good at making pre/snap reads and making adjustments at the line. Putting CD in the slot plays into the Eagles’ strengths, because Coop is one of the best nickels in the league already. I see a lot of CD and Pickens on the outside, so they can exploit Jackson and Sydney Brown.

The gamesmanship is how Vic decides to cover up their weaknesses. Does he travel Q with CD and bracket Pickens? And if he does bracket, do you use Brown (yuck) or Reed? Then you leave the other guy alone in deep center? Brown is just flat-out not good in coverage.

People say Dak is the ultimate ‘garbage time’ QB, but the 2nd half is when he shines because he’s seen all the tendencies of the D and makes adjustments to pick apart the weakness. There are going to be some big plays to Pickett, CD and Tolbert/Mingo. There might be enough to keep the game close.

I bet the Eagles cover the spread, and bet the over.

Philly 31
Dallas 20

Mingo is on IR.

It’s Flournoy and Turpin after Tolbert.

Flournoy is starting to shine and Turpin (fastest man in the NfL) is supposed to be used more this year in the slot.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I guess this game should be a blowout on paper. But they don’t play games on paper.

I think it’s a given Philly is going to score a lot. The key match-up will be DAL Offense vs Philly D. The big question marks on Philly D are CB2, Safety2, and EDGE.

Dak is really good at making pre/snap reads and making adjustments at the line. Putting CD in the slot plays into the Eagles’ strengths, because Coop is one of the best nickels in the league already. I see a lot of CD and Pickens on the outside, so they can exploit Jackson and Sydney Brown.

The gamesmanship is how Vic decides to cover up their weaknesses. Does he travel Q with CD and bracket Pickens? And if he does bracket, do you use Brown (yuck) or Reed? Then you leave the other guy alone in deep center? Brown is just flat-out not good in coverage.

People say Dak is the ultimate ‘garbage time’ QB, but the 2nd half is when he shines because he’s seen all the tendencies of the D and makes adjustments to pick apart the weakness. There are going to be some big plays to Pickett, CD and Tolbert/Mingo. There might be enough to keep the game close.

I bet the Eagles cover the spread, and bet the over.

Philly 31
Dallas 20

Mingo is on IR.

It’s Flournoy and Turpin after Tolbert.

Flournoy is starting to shine and Turpin (fastest man in the NfL) is supposed to be used more this year in the slot.

Thanks! I worry about Turpin on ST, because he is a game breaker. Has he taken a lot of reps in the slot in TC?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Moderators can't handle all the reported posts

Seriously ?



I know you can’t reply, but I’d put the o/u on reporters at 99.9% Birds fans ….lol

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Jalen Hurts has a better career completion percentage than Troy Aikman with more TDs passing per game than Troy.

How about that!

and Troy Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings !!!

Both were 26 when they won their first.

But the Cowboys dynasty is my favorite now b/c all the arguments against Hurts/Eagles, you can just go back 30 years and say the same thing about Troy/Cowboys (except the rushing stuff)

Great RB? Check
Best O Line in Footbal? Check
Great defense? Check
Anyone can play QB with THESE weapons! Check
Not the best passer/doesn't throw enough TDs. Check
Clutch when it matters most? Check
Litany of excuses made for success? Check
GM ahead of his time, for the time? Check

You’re being disingenuous, again. Completely different league entirely.

I'm here bro, care to flesh out your position and how I might be incorrect here?

I'd say its even HARDER to win in Today's NFL than Troy's with the run first style that was prevalent back when Troy Played.

And ya know Free Agency came and there went the Cowboys dynasty right after that happened.

So yeah, IMO its even harder in today's NFL.

Teams routinely won without gaudy passing numbers in the late 80s/Early 90s.

LOL
So much easier now ?
1- You could actually hit a QB when Aikman played.
2- WRs were routinely molested back then.

I'm confident Jalen Hurts is a throwback type of player that could succeed in the 90s.

I'm not confident Jerry Jones could put together a team like he did back then under current Free Agency rules, b/c well....he hasn't.

I stand by my comparison - both the criticisms of Troy and Hurts.

Yall give me guff over what I said and this dude is talking about:

Jerry having to build a team in the 1990s under today’s FA rules

Hurts transcends all of time

QB in the 80s and 90s didn’t throw for gaudy numbers -suggesting they weren’t good quarterbacks.

You have a habit of taking a narrative and breaking it down into a semantics argument, so if I need to clarify for you what I mean

Teams Pass More than they did then? I am not wrong

Free agency did not exist at the start of the Cowboys dynasty. I am not wrong.

The Cowboys have not been to a Title Game since that thing Free Agency started. I am not wrong.

Did SOME QBs put up some gaudy numbers? Sure.

But my point is - its a passing game now, it was a running game then.

For the most part now, teams have to win by passing the ball.

For the most part then, team had to win by running the ball.

Looking at the 80s I see Dan Fouts and Marino littered in leading the league in passing for the 80s.

Remind me how many Super Bowls they won or appeared in combined?

Its harder to win the Super Bowl IN TODAY'S GAME by having a run first offense/play defense etc.

You should know this you guys tried this w Dak and Zeke - didn't work.

It was harder to win a Super Bowl in the past by having a Pass First/No Running Game. And yes its due to the rules and the way you could cream QBs back then.

Hence the need for a strong running game.

Modern Day? Best RB on a Mahomes Super Bowl winning team? Ya know that guy that cries for flags all the time b/c he KNOWS ALL TOO WELL how the modern game is played.

If you wanna disagree with me that is fine. My style is to bring info/stats into convos like this.

Folks like you love to go "Homer in the bushes" when it comes to brining in real data/stats etc

Guy just in this thread:

"Hurts sucks at passing"

Well stats show otherwise what do you use bro?

"Height"

Good talk

The “height” comment was clearly a joke by that poster.

You say you like to bring stats and data to the conversation and criticized “folks like me” who go “homer in the bushes” but you provided no stats.

You did look up Dan Fouts though so that’s something.

Good luck young man. Enjoy it while it lasts cause you won’t be able to talk down to people forever.


ETA - Please tell your buddies in teal stop reporting people. Thank you.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

ETA - Please tell your buddies in teal stop reporting people. Thank you.

Good luck

 

[fred_1_15301]

I’m just happy football is here! For the first time in several years, I’m in a fantasy league that I actually have motivation to win. So for Thursday, go Elliott!