Demaryius Thomas used to be injured long ago (1 Viewer)

[DoubleG]

Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (Achilles) has been cleared to practice, which means he will avoid the reserve/NFI list."He's ready to go," said GM Brian Xanders. This is an immensely positive sign for Thomas, as football czar John Elway conceded during the offseason that the 2010 first-rounder would miss the first six weeks of the season on the NFI list. Though the history of receivers returning from Achilles tears is checkered, Ronald Curry and Brandon Stokley went on to post-surgery success even if they remained injury prone. Thomas is clearly more talented than both, which gives him a better chance of beating the odds. Don't expect a fantasy impact before mid-season, as he will likely stay behind Eddie Royal and Eric Decker as he's eased back in.Source: Denver PostSep 3 - 2:58 PMCould he be fantasy worthy in the second half?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The marvels of modern medicine. It seems we're reaching a point where recovery times need to be re-evaluated every season, because they get quicker and quicker. Medical outcomes today seem to be significantly different from what they were even 5 or 10 years ago, which is awesome to see, but it certainly raises issues with trying to use historical precedent to make evaluations going forward.

Not that anything has really been decided here with Thomas, but each case is different. Steve Smith PHI, is a case where he has taken more than the current typical..

 

[EBF]

I'm one of the biggest Demaryius fans on these boards, but I'm still taking a skeptical stance on this one. His injury was very serious and he'll need to prove on the field that his speed and burst are 100% back before I start getting excited about his FF potential again.

 

[SSOG]

I'm one of the biggest Demaryius fans on these boards, but I'm still taking a skeptical stance on this one. His injury was very serious and he'll need to prove on the field that his speed and burst are 100% back before I start getting excited about his FF potential again.

Plus, expecting much fantasy relevance out of a 2nd year WR is already a risky enough proposition. Expecting fantasy relevance from a 2nd year WR under a brand new head coach who missed all of camps and preseason and has yet to participate in a single practice this year is probably far too much.

 

[pghrob]

Demaryius Thomas' wildcard game performance against the Steelers #1 ranked pass defense with a lousy passer in Tebow would seem to indicate he is fully recovered from his achilles injury. 4 receptions 204 yards and a TD.

From week 7 on he looks like he is the real deal that people thought he was when he came into the league getting drafted before Dez Bryant.

 

[EBF]

Yep. You could see glimmers of this potential during his rookie year before he got hurt. There simply aren't many receivers in the NFL who have the same combination of size and mobility. Receivers who are this big and strong are not supposed to be able to sprint as fast as Thomas or make the kind of cuts he can make. He is right up there with guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, and Brandon Marshall from a physical ability standpoint. Provided that he can stay healthy, there's no reason why he can't continue to terrorize defensive backs.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

Demaryius Thomas' wildcard game performance against the Steelers #1 ranked pass defense with a lousy passer in Tebow would seem to indicate he is fully recovered from his achilles injury. 4 receptions 204 yards and a TD.

From week 7 on he looks like he is the real deal that people thought he was when he came into the league getting drafted before Dez Bryant.

You mean that same lousy passer that just boned and powned the Steelers deep and hard?

 

[pghrob]

Of course that's the one. Who did you think I was referring to?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so there might be hope for Mikel LeShoure after tearing his Achilles this year then.

Demaryious looked good and he is about 1 year from the injury

I thought this kind of injury pretty much meant game over for an NFL player, especially a skill position player

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Demaryius Thomas' wildcard game performance against the Steelers #1 ranked pass defense with a lousy passer in Tebow would seem to indicate he is fully recovered from his achilles injury. 4 receptions 204 yards and a TD.

From week 7 on he looks like he is the real deal that people thought he was when he came into the league getting drafted before Dez Bryant.

You mean that same lousy passer that just boned and powned the Steelers deep and hard?

Don't you dare turn this thread into another Tebow thread.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

so there might be hope for Mikel LeShoure after tearing his Achilles this year then.Demaryious looked good and he is about 1 year from the injuryI thought this kind of injury pretty much meant game over for an NFL player, especially a skill position player

I am one, and I'm sure there are plenty of leshoure owners gaining hope over thomas' resurgence. EBF just mentioned it, but Thomas looks so much like Andre Johnson on the field, and I hate saying that cuz Andre is so good

 

[cstu]

so there might be hope for Mikel LeShoure after tearing his Achilles this year then.Demaryious looked good and he is about 1 year from the injuryI thought this kind of injury pretty much meant game over for an NFL player, especially a skill position player

I am one, and I'm sure there are plenty of leshoure owners gaining hope over thomas' resurgence. EBF just mentioned it, but Thomas looks so much like Andre Johnson on the field, and I hate saying that cuz Andre is so good

I'm definitely feeling better about him. He'll have even more time to recover than Thomas did.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I thought this guy was pretty much done.. Not that he'd never play again, but enough to write him off in FF.. Jury still out, but looks like I need to reconsider..

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I thought this guy was pretty much done.. Not that he'd never play again, but enough to write him off in FF.. Jury still out, but looks like I need to reconsider..

why is the jury still out? his injury looked fully recoverd from to me.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I thought this guy was pretty much done.. Not that he'd never play again, but enough to write him off in FF.. Jury still out, but looks like I need to reconsider..

why is the jury still out? his injury looked fully recoverd from to me.

He had a great game.. But how often is he gonna have a game like that in Denver? I'm not saying he's Lee Evans, but Lee Evans is a good reason to be skeptical.. And he didn't have the injury, or the QB DT will have to rise above..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Sounds like I'm likening him to Lee Evans.. I'm not

What I'm saying is, 1 or 2 great games doesn't make a FF player..

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Sounds like I'm likening him to Lee Evans.. I'm notWhat I'm saying is, 1 or 2 great games doesn't make a FF player..

Oh his situation is less than desirable, I agree, but from a terrible injury standpoint there doesnt seem to be a concern anymore

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Sounds like I'm likening him to Lee Evans.. I'm notWhat I'm saying is, 1 or 2 great games doesn't make a FF player..

Oh his situation is less than desirable, I agree, but from a terrible injury standpoint there doesnt seem to be a concern anymore

It would seem you're right. He's back on my list. Where on my list? I'm not sure..

 

[petenice15]

What if he's not fully recovered? Is it possible he is better next year? Just a thought bc nobody really knows how his leg feels besides him.

 

[Bayhawks]

Sounds like I'm likening him to Lee Evans.. I'm notWhat I'm saying is, 1 or 2 great games doesn't make a FF player..

Oh his situation is less than desirable, I agree, but from a terrible injury standpoint there doesnt seem to be a concern anymore

It would seem you're right. He's back on my list. Where on my list? I'm not sure..

Looking ahead to next year, he's a (very early) sleeper-type candidate. With Tebow as his QB, he's not likely to be ranked overly high in the pre-season. But, assuming that Tebow makes some improvement in the off-season as a passer, projecting his floor at 1000/6 would seem to be fair, IMO, and the potential is there for him to do much better than that. If you can get him late, as a WR4 (or worse), he could be the type of mid-late round pick that pays huge dividends.

 

[SWC]

he is a spicy fast muchacho that is for sure my brohans and i was glad to see him blazing towards the end zone like there was a blue light special going on and he wanted that bargain very cool but i do not think next year he will have 1000 yards tebow threw the ball completed 5 times in the first half last night no matter how good you are it will be hard to get 1000 yards a season with only 5 completions per half

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

29-652-5 over the last six games.

 

[Bayhawks]

i do not think next year he will have 1000 yards tebow threw the ball completed 5 times in the first half last night no matter how good you are it will be hard to get 1000 yards a season with only 5 completions per half

This is true, which is why I noted that would be a safe floor projection IF Tebow improved as a passer in the off-season.However, in the last 6 games (including last nights game), Thomas has 52 targets. Over a 16 game season, that averages out to 139 targets. He's caught 29 of those passes, for a 56% catch rate. That averages out to 77 catches over a 16 game season. He appears to be Tebow's favorite target, and based on last night's game, he seems to be very good after the catch.

He might be a very up-and-down type guy next year (because of Tebow), but 1000 & 6 isn't that far of a stretch, and his upside is much higher.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

i do not think next year he will have 1000 yards tebow threw the ball completed 5 times in the first half last night no matter how good you are it will be hard to get 1000 yards a season with only 5 completions per half

This is true, which is why I noted that would be a safe floor projection IF Tebow improved as a passer in the off-season.However, in the last 6 games (including last nights game), Thomas has 52 targets. Over a 16 game season, that averages out to 139 targets. He's caught 29 of those passes, for a 56% catch rate. That averages out to 77 catches over a 16 game season. He appears to be Tebow's favorite target, and based on last night's game, he seems to be very good after the catch.

He might be a very up-and-down type guy next year (because of Tebow), but 1000 & 6 isn't that far of a stretch, and his upside is much higher.

I don't think 1000/6 is his floor, but it's certainly achievable. 6TD's is probably close, but I could imagine him doing worse than 1000yards

 

[DiStefano]

I know he can catch the ball, but can he run with it?

 

[bigmarc27]

If you have the guts to possibly miss out on a future stud, you could sell for a boatload right now.

I have him in a dynasty league but I can't imagine his stock being much higher than right now.

 

[Bayhawks]

i do not think next year he will have 1000 yards tebow threw the ball completed 5 times in the first half last night no matter how good you are it will be hard to get 1000 yards a season with only 5 completions per half

This is true, which is why I noted that would be a safe floor projection IF Tebow improved as a passer in the off-season.However, in the last 6 games (including last nights game), Thomas has 52 targets. Over a 16 game season, that averages out to 139 targets. He's caught 29 of those passes, for a 56% catch rate. That averages out to 77 catches over a 16 game season. He appears to be Tebow's favorite target, and based on last night's game, he seems to be very good after the catch.

He might be a very up-and-down type guy next year (because of Tebow), but 1000 & 6 isn't that far of a stretch, and his upside is much higher.

I don't think 1000/6 is his floor, but it's certainly achievable. 6TD's is probably close, but I could imagine him doing worse than 1000yards

Floor probably wasn't the right term. Assuming there are good reports (or at least no reports of regression) about Tebow in the off-season, I would feel comfortable projecting those numbers for Thomas, with the hope for bigger numbers.

 

[shader]

Medical technology is getting so amazing. I'll be interested to see Peterson next year. Just a decade ago, a knee injury basically ended the unbelievable portion of Edgerrin James' career. He had some solid years after that, but was never the same. If he had that injury now, things might have been far different.

Demaryius looks GOOD.

 

[pghrob]

So the last few posts compel me to ask: if you have Demaryius Thomas, are you buying or selling? If so, what would you pay or what would you take?

ETA: I am a knucklehead. If you have you have him, are you holding or selling?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Lions | Mikel Leshoure expected to be ready for workouts Mon Jan 9, 03:53 PM Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz said RB Mikel Leshoure (Achilles') is doing well in his recovery and is expected to be ready for when offseason workouts begin.Our view: Getting LeShoure back next year would be huge for the Lions. Recovering from an Achilles' injury is a long road and LeShoure may look slower and less explosive when he does return to the field.

This is good news for a fellow achilles injury player.maybe its not a big deal anymore???I remember when Marino tore his and he could hardly play after that

 

[cstu]

Lions | Mikel Leshoure expected to be ready for workouts Mon Jan 9, 03:53 PM Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz said RB Mikel Leshoure (Achilles') is doing well in his recovery and is expected to be ready for when offseason workouts begin.Our view: Getting LeShoure back next year would be huge for the Lions. Recovering from an Achilles' injury is a long road and LeShoure may look slower and less explosive when he does return to the field.

This is good news for a fellow achilles injury player.maybe its not a big deal anymore???I remember when Marino tore his and he could hardly play after that

It's makes a huge difference what age the player tears it at and medical treatment of it has come along way.

 

[Fensalk]

Lions | Mikel Leshoure expected to be ready for workouts Mon Jan 9, 03:53 PM Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz said RB Mikel Leshoure (Achilles') is doing well in his recovery and is expected to be ready for when offseason workouts begin.Our view: Getting LeShoure back next year would be huge for the Lions. Recovering from an Achilles' injury is a long road and LeShoure may look slower and less explosive when he does return to the field.

This is good news for a fellow achilles injury player.maybe its not a big deal anymore???I remember when Marino tore his and he could hardly play after that

It's makes a huge difference what age the player tears it at and medical treatment of it has come along way.

Yah once you get up in your late 30s / early 40s, it becomes difficult to recover from injuries/surgery as quickly as you used to. I'm sure medical technology will be able to solve that as well though within 20 years.

 

[Fensalk]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

 

[CravenM]

The person that DT reminds me of more is Roddy White.

Roddy had skillet hands for a few years and didn't take his profession seriously. Then, (once I dropped him a few years ago) somebody got to him in the off-season and taught him pride and catching skills. Now he's a perennial top 20 guy and his mental approach is completely different.

DT has made some great plays this year but has also dropped a number of really easy passes that have bounced off his chest. He's a ways away from being in the "elite" status like the previously mentioned guys but he certainly has the skill "set", maybe not yet the knowledge or work habit.

But I think his last catch and 80 yard stiff-arm, run, stiff-arm, run will have DBs looking out for him. No one wants to be posterized liked Ike Taylor

 

[Bayhawks]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

I think this is unlikely. Perhaps medical technology will be able to treat injuries in such a way that this would theoretically be possible, but humans will still age, and a guy in his 50s would find it VERY difficult to have the same speed & strength as a guy in his 20s. Furthermore, the cumulative hits of a 10-year NFL career can be devastating, what do you think would happen to a guy who played 30?

 

[Fensalk]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

I think this is unlikely. Perhaps medical technology will be able to treat injuries in such a way that this would theoretically be possible, but humans will still age, and a guy in his 50s would find it VERY difficult to have the same speed & strength as a guy in his 20s. Furthermore, the cumulative hits of a 10-year NFL career can be devastating, what do you think would happen to a guy who played 30?

No I think they will completely solve aging within 40 years. They will be able to do amazing things to overcome it within 20.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

I think this is unlikely. Perhaps medical technology will be able to treat injuries in such a way that this would theoretically be possible, but humans will still age, and a guy in his 50s would find it VERY difficult to have the same speed & strength as a guy in his 20s. Furthermore, the cumulative hits of a 10-year NFL career can be devastating, what do you think would happen to a guy who played 30?

No I think they will completely solve aging within 40 years. They will be able to do amazing things to overcome it within 20.

And time travel

 

[Fensalk]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

I think this is unlikely. Perhaps medical technology will be able to treat injuries in such a way that this would theoretically be possible, but humans will still age, and a guy in his 50s would find it VERY difficult to have the same speed & strength as a guy in his 20s. Furthermore, the cumulative hits of a 10-year NFL career can be devastating, what do you think would happen to a guy who played 30?

No I think they will completely solve aging within 40 years. They will be able to do amazing things to overcome it within 20.

And time travel

There's definitely nothing like that on the horizon, but HUGE medical breakthroughs are very close now.

 

[gandalas]

Kickers playing 30 seasons? Sure. We already have guys going close to 20 as it is. At positions where you are getting hit on every play? No freaking way...

 

[cstu]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

I think this is unlikely. Perhaps medical technology will be able to treat injuries in such a way that this would theoretically be possible, but humans will still age, and a guy in his 50s would find it VERY difficult to have the same speed & strength as a guy in his 20s. Furthermore, the cumulative hits of a 10-year NFL career can be devastating, what do you think would happen to a guy who played 30?

No I think they will completely solve aging within 40 years. They will be able to do amazing things to overcome it within 20.

And time travel

There's definitely nothing like that on the horizon, but HUGE medical breakthroughs are very close now.

Did you watch Transcendent Man?

 

[noneother]

Imagine how much more filthy this place would be if people lived 200. God. I sure hope that's after my time. New diseases and and other filth will just kill the weakened.

 

[Bri]

Kickers playing 30 seasons? Sure. We already have guys going close to 20 as it is. At positions where you are getting hit on every play? No freaking way...

Mark Schelereth was unique. If there were more (almost literal) plastic men then maybe. I don't think a person wishes to have body parts replaced though and using a snip of your hammy as your ACL is hardly an intriguing scenario. There would have to be a breakthrough in padding/protection for the players.The effort to come back from a torn ACL or achilles is substantial. It's common and people shrug it off as such, but I doubt most people want to do it more than once. The ligaments are never as springy as they once were and maybe that's an advancement that can be made, but the nice springy ligament attached by a 3 inch screw is still so far from ideal.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

20 years from now, I think medical technology will be so advanced that some players will be able to play into their 50s. I definitely think some guys who are currently in college will play for 30 years.

I think this is unlikely. Perhaps medical technology will be able to treat injuries in such a way that this would theoretically be possible, but humans will still age, and a guy in his 50s would find it VERY difficult to have the same speed & strength as a guy in his 20s. Furthermore, the cumulative hits of a 10-year NFL career can be devastating, what do you think would happen to a guy who played 30?

No I think they will completely solve aging within 40 years. They will be able to do amazing things to overcome it within 20.

And time travel

There's definitely nothing like that on the horizon, but HUGE medical breakthroughs are very close now.

Looked pretty simple to me. You just need a nuclear reaction to create the 1.21 gigawatts.

 

[JamesTheScot]

If you have the guts to possibly miss out on a future stud, you could sell for a boatload right now. I have him in a dynasty league but I can't imagine his stock being much higher than right now.

I'd be tempted to sell.While I think Tebow can be a multi-year starter at QB, I don't think that will translate into great WR seasons for either Thomas or Decker.I think it will be a situation where their end of year totals will look decent, but the week to week inconsistency forces you to start more reliable players. So you keep them on the bench as a back-ups because you can't trust Tebow to feed them reliably each week.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Sounds like I'm likening him to Lee Evans.. I'm notWhat I'm saying is, 1 or 2 great games doesn't make a FF player..

Oh his situation is less than desirable, I agree, but from a terrible injury standpoint there doesnt seem to be a concern anymore

It would seem you're right. He's back on my list. Where on my list? I'm not sure..

Looking ahead to next year, he's a (very early) sleeper-type candidate. With Tebow as his QB, he's not likely to be ranked overly high in the pre-season. But, assuming that Tebow makes some improvement in the off-season as a passer, projecting his floor at 1000/6 would seem to be fair, IMO, and the potential is there for him to do much better than that. If you can get him late, as a WR4 (or worse), he could be the type of mid-late round pick that pays huge dividends.

Dude everyone and their mother saw that play. Think Santonio Holmes with his Super Bowl catch.He's a sleeper alright, right now. Unfortunately, he's everyone's sleeper. Which means he isn't really a sleeper and that will become more apparent as ADP's start compiling this summer which means he won't even be a bargain come August. I don't see him being taken as a WR4. There are going to be owners who chance him as a WR2 next year.There's always some owner who is light at a position and decides to reach for someone because he's afraid of someone taking his sleeper before he can, so he jumps in early. Thomas is a leading candidate to be that player. He's young and physically gifted. And his erratic early career actually garners attention because in this day and age, everyone, even rookie owners, is looking for the next big thing at WR.The irony is that real sleepers these days are more likely to be the aging guy that everyone has written off. Everyone looks for the young, talented guys that haven't put up elite numbers yet. I say that as one who falls into that same trap myself. The trend is towards youth and unfulfilled potential.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Guess we got our answer to this medical question pretty definitely.

 

[butcher boy]

:golfclap:

 

[firstseason1988]

Made my heart skip a beat.

 

[cstu]

After reading up on achilles ruptures im ready to write thomas off.What a shame, monster talent who will never be able to show it in the nflat least you got some decent coin and entered the nfl before the rookie salary cap.RIP DT 4/2010 - 2/2011Your career was short but brought hope and joy to many of us.

 

[Phenix]

After reading up on achilles ruptures im ready to write thomas off.What a shame, monster talent who will never be able to show it in the nflat least you got some decent coin and entered the nfl before the rookie salary cap.RIP DT 4/2010 - 2/2011Your career was short but brought hope and joy to many of us.

Moderated lost all credibility, since he was so brash and certain. His opinion can not be trusted if that was his assessment.