DoubleG
Footballguy
I deleted the post, as I thought he was talking about the one last week.
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Denarius Moore - CIncinnatti Bengals (1 Viewer)
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AmosMoses
Footballguy
ohhhhhhI deleted the post, as I thought he was talking about the one last week.
Sir Chadwick
Footballguy
Not sure where this guy goes, but can only hope for more big days. I'll gladly plug him in at flex vs NE wk4 over Reggie freakin Bush.
DoubleG
Footballguy
The Victor Cruz thread is down the hallway on the left.
Dought Man
Footballguy
how long until "Bump Finley" turns into "Bump Moore" ?
massraider
Footballguy
People getting overheated about him, doesn't mean he isn't very good. You can be overrated, and still be good. Look, the fact is, he appears to be their best WR already, or in a 1A/1B situation with Ford. On an team that scored more than the Saints last year. He was a phenom from Day 1 of camp, and we were told, "preseason hype, let's see what he does in the REAL games..."Fair enough. In his second pro game, he goes big, making plays in more than one way, catching short stuff as well as wrenching bombs away from two defenders, not to mention almost coming down with a Hail Mary at the end of the game. You can tell reading the thread who saw the game. Then we were told, "Oh, wait till DHB is healthy! Al Davis won't let Moore get any looks as long as his pet is out there!" The clowns that spit this nonsense out disappeared after the Raiders went to Moore on two of the first three plays. (completion, PI call, BTW.)Moore demonstrated a new way to score, running in a reverse for a TD. He's a 5th round pick, with three games under his belt. Not sure what else people need to see after three games to believe he might be for real. Complete WRs, true WR1's? This is how they look when they are young. Just like this. It seems obvious the game slows down for him, he is never rushed, looking jittery. He is a legitimately good route runner, right now. Saying a kid is a flash in the pan, one week wonder (oh, wait, one MONTH wonder), is silly only because there isn't a shred of evidence that is the case. This isn't Frisman Jackson, catching bombs against broken coverages, and fallen defenders. This kid has done it all so far, and has been since training camp opened. Should we wait and see, before calling him a Hall of Famer? Of course. But as a fantasy owner, you can't. You have to anticipate. If it makes people cranky to see owners of a guy they picked up off the waiver wire get a little excited, maybe its best not to enter the Denarius Moore thread. Good chance I will be bumping this thread for years. Start deleting posts now, irrational doubters! Too late for Gridiron Menace, not too late for you!
I recently picked up Moore, already had Ford and even picked up Jason Campbell as my third QB in a PPR league in which I can play 2 QBs, 3 WRs or 3 RBs.
Thinking of playing Moore (over Burleson, Ford, potentially injured Maclin) and Campbell (over Sanchez as 2nd QB) against New England this week. You think the Raiders open up the passing game. Love to see Campbell throw 30 times once in a while.
Thinking of playing Moore (over Burleson, Ford, potentially injured Maclin) and Campbell (over Sanchez as 2nd QB) against New England this week. You think the Raiders open up the passing game. Love to see Campbell throw 30 times once in a while.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Moore is the type of receiver that Campbell really needs. He doesn't have the greatest deep ball and smaller, speed receivers won't give him the confidence to throw it up into tight coverage. I'm pretty sure Campbell will be lobbying for Moore over DHB and will be trusting him more and more as the season progresses.
If he didn't have the runs, I would still be high on this kid. The fact that they want to get him the ball in multiple ways shows me that the Raiders are serious about this kid's abilities and will get him the ball.
Positives
Training camp buzz - check
Proof on Sunday - check
Team commitment to get him the ball - check
Clearly in the top 2 on his team - check
Hands - check
Timing - check
Run-after-catch moves - check
Years left to develop - check
Negatives
Campbell
Al Davis
Team commitment to running the ball
Net win in my opinion. Obviously not top 10 yet, but I can honestly see a Hakeem Nicks type 2nd or 3rd year from him.
If he didn't have the runs, I would still be high on this kid. The fact that they want to get him the ball in multiple ways shows me that the Raiders are serious about this kid's abilities and will get him the ball.
Positives
Training camp buzz - check
Proof on Sunday - check
Team commitment to get him the ball - check
Clearly in the top 2 on his team - check
Hands - check
Timing - check
Run-after-catch moves - check
Years left to develop - check
Negatives
Campbell
Al Davis
Team commitment to running the ball
Net win in my opinion. Obviously not top 10 yet, but I can honestly see a Hakeem Nicks type 2nd or 3rd year from him.
Lester Long
Footballguy
If the Raiders were not playing the Patriots this week I would not give Moore much thought. I want to say he has already had his best 2 games of the year but the way the Patriots defend he could have 1 more. I see him as another guy that people grab after he has his best games and in 2 weeks is cut again and forgot about.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Well he's only played in 3!Seriously though, why? Just because early season hype doesn't always work out? That's not very compelling.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
This weekend vs NE is one of the most meaningful games the Raiders have had in years.
massraider
Footballguy
Trying to come up with a past player comparison, I am going with Isaac Bruce or Marvin Harrison.Funny thing is, there's no freaky measureable people can hang their hat on. Not tall, or muscled up. Fast, but not eye-popping fast. Doesn't even appear overly quick. He kind of glides. But man, he gets open. And his ball skills are the real real. Catches the ball in one smooth motion, in stride. Haven't seen him Heyward-Bey (fight) the ball once.'mr roboto said:
massraider
Footballguy
There is no 'why'. There is no facts people can point to that would suggest he is going to disappear. There just isn't.'mr roboto said:
dapunisher
Footballguy
Maybe Hakeem Nicks? Not a perfect comparison, because there rarely is one, but all of what you describes applies to Nicks.
mr roboto
Footballguy
If only someone would have suggested that earlier...
Topes
Footballguy
Though he's nowhere near as big, his situation reminds me a bit of Marques Colston coming out.This is clearly a motivational ploy for Tatum Bell.
Hard to tell. The articles that lead to this conclusion can be questioned.
Colston in the top 250 forward - kinda low here?
There are a hundred threads on Colston from fall 2006. Let's maybe have us just one on Denarius Moore, and keep all the freshness and goodness inside...
Domo arigato
dapunisher
Footballguy
That must have been where I got the idea. Otherwise,
mr roboto
Footballguy
That must have been where I got the idea. Otherwise,
Moore is attracting a lot of attention these days:
Moore to offer: Rookie WR providing plenty for upstart Raiders
By Greg Smith NFL Films
Published: Sept. 27, 2011 at 04:20 p.m. Updated: Sept. 27, 2011 at 05:57 p.m.
Denarius Moore is fast. And who likes 'em fast?
The Raiders.
Speed is a prerequisite for any Al Davis receiver (Cliff Branch, Tim Brown, etc, etc, etc.). What's surprising is not Moore's 4.45 wheels, but rather his overall high level of play this early into his rookie season.
Oakland's fifth-round pick broke out in the Raiders' wild Week 2 loss in Buffalo, with five catches for 146 yards and a touchdown. In Week 3 , he turned around Jets cornerback Antonio Cromartie a few times, racking up four catches for 34 yards.
Raiders in prime position Oakland is tied for first place in the AFC West after a 2-1 start and Albert Breer says if they can get through a difficult stretch, the Raiders could be dangerous.
Still, Moore was mostly contained by the Jets, that is, until he cut through New York's defense on a reverse for a 23-yard touchdown.
Now that he is officially a trend -- in the NFL, two weeks equals a trend -- it's time to take a closer look at Moore's last two games.
Most rookie receivers show a lack of open-field awareness, struggling with the relationship of time and space. They run into coverage, instead of finding voids. They cut back into linebackers, instead of taking on cornerbacks. They miss time their jumps on downfield throws. They break too early or too late on routes, often telegraphing where they are going.
But so far, it appears that Moore has skipped much of the rookie learning curve.
He is playing at a pace akin to the Panthers' Steve Smith or the Eagles' DeSean Jackson in their breakout seasons, with an awareness of where defenders are and with utter fearlessness when taking them on.
Of course, it's only two games. I'm not saying he's a Pro Bowler or anything, but I'm curious to see how coach Hue Jackson and quarterback Jason Campbell can maximize Moore's skills in the future.
Jackson, in his first season as the front man in Oakland, has already flat out said Moore will get plenty of chances.
"Give it to 17, Denarius Moore. Let your players make plays," Jackson said. "I'm going to create an environment where our great players can do something special."
Sounds like a coach who is excited about his player. And Raiders fans should be excited, too. They've got a fast guy who can really play.
NFL.com link
Moore to offer: Rookie WR providing plenty for upstart Raiders
By Greg Smith NFL Films
Published: Sept. 27, 2011 at 04:20 p.m. Updated: Sept. 27, 2011 at 05:57 p.m.
Denarius Moore is fast. And who likes 'em fast?
The Raiders.
Speed is a prerequisite for any Al Davis receiver (Cliff Branch, Tim Brown, etc, etc, etc.). What's surprising is not Moore's 4.45 wheels, but rather his overall high level of play this early into his rookie season.
Oakland's fifth-round pick broke out in the Raiders' wild Week 2 loss in Buffalo, with five catches for 146 yards and a touchdown. In Week 3 , he turned around Jets cornerback Antonio Cromartie a few times, racking up four catches for 34 yards.
Raiders in prime position Oakland is tied for first place in the AFC West after a 2-1 start and Albert Breer says if they can get through a difficult stretch, the Raiders could be dangerous.
Still, Moore was mostly contained by the Jets, that is, until he cut through New York's defense on a reverse for a 23-yard touchdown.
Now that he is officially a trend -- in the NFL, two weeks equals a trend -- it's time to take a closer look at Moore's last two games.
Most rookie receivers show a lack of open-field awareness, struggling with the relationship of time and space. They run into coverage, instead of finding voids. They cut back into linebackers, instead of taking on cornerbacks. They miss time their jumps on downfield throws. They break too early or too late on routes, often telegraphing where they are going.
But so far, it appears that Moore has skipped much of the rookie learning curve.
He is playing at a pace akin to the Panthers' Steve Smith or the Eagles' DeSean Jackson in their breakout seasons, with an awareness of where defenders are and with utter fearlessness when taking them on.
Of course, it's only two games. I'm not saying he's a Pro Bowler or anything, but I'm curious to see how coach Hue Jackson and quarterback Jason Campbell can maximize Moore's skills in the future.
Jackson, in his first season as the front man in Oakland, has already flat out said Moore will get plenty of chances.
"Give it to 17, Denarius Moore. Let your players make plays," Jackson said. "I'm going to create an environment where our great players can do something special."
Sounds like a coach who is excited about his player. And Raiders fans should be excited, too. They've got a fast guy who can really play.
NFL.com link
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Don't see anywhere near the strength and power of Nicks. Bruce and Harrison are a probably a bit of hyperbole. Possibly 2 HOF's.I see Moore as kind of a cross between Santonio Holmes and a young Lavernaus Coles. I think he could have a very bright future as a WR2.
massraider
Footballguy
Nobody makes player comparisons to bad players. He's played 3 games, even comparing him to Holmes is getting ahead of ourselves. I was trying to come up with guys that could do several different things, and weren't physical freaks. The Holmes comparison works. He's a pretty skinny little dude.
AmosMoses
Footballguy
Why not? Thomas has only one leg and Crabtree is a bust.
massraider
Footballguy
The Dragon?
Papa Schnay
Footballguy
We need to figure out where this "the dragon" thing came from. 
The Doctor
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
'Dragon' from Game of Thrones...
Some NSFW pics if you Google image search. Link above is clean however.
Some NSFW pics if you Google image search. Link above is clean however.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and pass on that one.
Eastwood
Footballguy
Okay, I am torn. I don't want to bench Moore this weekend, he should have a very nice day vs the Patriots. But I have Calvin, Fitz, Smith Panthers, and Santana Moss. Who do I bench from this group to get Moore in my starting line up? Or do I suck it up and sit this future hall of famer? 
Neofight
Footballguy
Moore's unofficial combine time was 4.37, as was his pro day 40. I have no idea how his official time at the combine dropped him nearly a tenth of a second, down to 4.45. Given his pro day time of 4.37, a recent history of strange timing issues in Indy and having watched his combine I'm going to say he is sub 4.4 easily. His pedigree as a Texas state High School champ in the 110M-hurdles further validates the dude is plenty fast.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Love the dragon nickname
cubbie5150
Footballguy
So tempted to start Moore (for the first time) this week. Gotta believe Belichick will be focused on DMac....
thekidd2009
Footballguy
I'm on the bandwagon and throwing him in the flex. Hoping Oakland can get going on the ground and Moore can burn the Pats deep for a td at least once.
No. 16
Footballguy
D-WOW!
Lester Long
Footballguy
No, because he just is not that talented. he runs bad routes. he has bad hands. should I keep going?
There is a reason he was took in the 5th round and if he was not on such a horribly talented WR core you would of never heard his name.
That being said, Campbell has to throw to somebody this week so I would not be suprised with a 5 catch 80 yard performance.but I also would not be suprised if his name was not mentioned at all.
Wow. You sound like a troll. Or you haven't seen Moore play. Or you are inexperienced. "Bad hands?" You've got to be kidding. I would suggest getting rid of the draft position blinders and just assess the player's skill for yourself. Otherwise you will be holding on to a DHB for years thinking he must have elite talent to be drafted seventh overall while everybody else scoops up the real talent capable of performing at the NFL level.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
you do realize that just because you missed out on him on the waiver wire doesn't automatically mean he isn't talented, runs bad routes, and has bad hands - right? if you actually go back and watch the games the past two weeks, it's obvious he possesses none of those traits. so i'm sorry you missed out on him, but this subjective nonsense is uncalled for... i'd ask you for some additional information as to why you feel the way you do, but it would be useless. there is nothing out there to back it up. the reason he was drafted in the 5th round is because he was the victim of multiple coaching changes and poor QB play in Tennessee. he was actually successful in the ####ty situation and was still an unknown coming into the draft. believe it or not, there are actually elite players that come from the late rounds in the NFL draft. the round someone is drafted in means nothing... it's what they do with the opportunity playing for the team that took a chance on them.
should i keep going? and please forgive me if you're just blind... i completely understand if that's the case.
Lester Long
Footballguy
A troll would not understand if he did not have these bad traits he would of already been a stud with 4.45 speed and would of went way higher than the 5th.
Ah. So you really believe the NFL scouts can't make mistakes. I see. The NFL scouts were dead on about these guys below, all drafted in the late rounds, right?Tom Brady
Donald Driver
Marques Colston
Mark Bulger
Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Priest Holmes
Terrell Davis
Rod Smith
Antonio Gates
In Moore's case, you are already seeing talent evaluators admitting they were wrong about the guy. http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18955325
Your loss if you can't consider the possibility low round picks can, and often do, become stars.
Lester Long
Footballguy
I never wasted my time going after him, so no, I did not get him on ther WW.
And you just named your problem, you are only going back 2 weeks.
Next week you will be talking about picking up Patric Crayton, who is in my opinion a much better pickup than Moore.the week after that it will be someone else.
Lester Long
Footballguy
I know low round guys can have a impact. don't get me wrong. and I hope you are right and he blows up for your fantasy team. I think the Raiders just have horrible WR's and any 1 of them on any given day can produce because of it.
As I said to the previous poster I would take Crayton before I would take Moore.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
wow.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
I heard his name a lot.. from the Oakland beat writers claiming he was the best player on the field in training camp almost every day. Where were you?
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