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DI Jukebox Draft (66-15)- Listen up (2 Viewers)

Aerial Assault said:
21.b        Yes, "Heart of the Sunrise" (1971)

I always intended to take two songs from my favorite band, one from their "classic" incarnation and one from their "modern" era, and looks like I've managed to do that in what - in a really nice surprise for me - will be the third track drafted from its album.  This amazing progressive rocker clocks in at 10:37, beginning with an awesome show of righthanded dexterity by guitarist Steve Howe and the late (sniff) legendary bassist Chris Squire, backed by organ and harpsichord sounds from Rick Wakeman and a drumming clinic from Bill Bruford, who wrote some of this one in a rare compositional credit.  Then there's an extended Squire bass solo, followed by the development of the main lyrical theme.  Jon Anderson has never sung better in my opinion.  The various musical themes all circle back in at one point or another before the end, including many iterations of the opening riff.  The song is supposedly about being lost in a large, unfamiliar city, probably New York.  Interestingly for a Yes song, there are no three-part vocal harmonies, and indeed Squire contributes his distinct harmonies to only two lines.  It doesn't matter; this is a beauty.    
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####  YEA!

 
Mrs. Rannous said:
JML, you sound like Debbie Downer.  Or Marvin the Paranoid Android.  Cheer up a little.
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Oh  i am perfectly cheerful. Thanks for the concern :thumbup:

Ive done every single Desert Island draft and mixtape over the last 12 or 13 years. I know how these things go. i commend KP and others who make the effort to go through the mixes and get a buzz out of other peoples draft. 

Everyone gets something different out of these drafts. Some cant wait until the end of these to listen to the mixes, others love the back and forth during the draft and wish this part would be extended. Im sure others get different things out of them as well. I enjoy them immensely. It does frustrate me when the gears change and people just want to fire out picks, and it happens in 90% of them. Wouldnt miss one if i could avoid it though.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Are those views, or followers?  I will follow the mixes, listen to them, then unfollow them after I discover some new stuff and go exploring.  Mostly, I just don't like having 100 playlists to go through.  in the past I have burned mixes to a disc and listened to them in the car or something.  I don't the commute anymore, so I will do the Spotify thing. 

I get what you are saying about the draft, and I realize I might be in the minority.  That is a big reason I don't listen to many of the songs as they are being drafted.  I like to put FFA personalities with the mixes and listen to them as a group.  During the draft I am just obsessing over my picks and listening to stuff that I am weeding out for my picks.  I think before we were also doing multiple drafts a year, and that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.  When was the last mixtape draft - I think it was the scarcity draft?

I guess I am just saying that if people post their mixes, I am listening.   As much as I love the idea of the ubermix, what I plan to do this time is listen to mixes and pick out the 5-7 songs that I hadn't heard of/haven't heard in awhile/just love and usually don't hear in my rotation, and make my own mix of 150-200 songs that is more manageable and give me ideas of stuff to explore more. 
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Its fantastic that you put so much into listening to other mixes. I really applaud that.

i tend to approach these in the opposite way. I listen as we go, comment and im not so bothered about my draft. Just tends to be the first thing that comes to mind pending the topic. I want to listen to the other music and when we do 3itc or multiple rounds its too much to keep up with. 

As for spotify, i probably havent been on it for over a year so cant quite remember the interface, but i seem to recall a lot of mixtapes not even getting viewed.

I, as usual, have a few ideas for another draft. I dont want to get into them now to let people get the most out of this one and will wait to see if others have ideas. 

I think the problem in recent years is

a) music draft burnout. Tended to be the same people drafting the same thing over and over.

b) Tim drafts taking most of the music pool in multi month drafts. While they are fun, they are exhausting and require more research, planning and committment.

Tims drafts dont seem to be catching on anymore and i think the hunger is there for a few more music drafts this year. We will see.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Who doesn't have Spotify or are not going to link that way?  I still want to listen to the mixes individually, so I will be trying create lists for people who don't have Spotify.  I can link any mixes I do, but will wait to know who isn't doing that way - no need to double up. 
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AcerFC said:
Spotify is free. Not sure why anyone wouldnt want to sign up for it. Its probably worth the 9.99 a month but I havent gone premium yet
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I currently do not use spotify (I've been using pandora and iHeart radio) but will probably add it later today.  

 
FUBAR said:
I currently do not use spotify (I've been using pandora and iHeart radio) but will probably add it later today.  
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I killed Apple Radio and added Spotify Premium. That allows me to stream it using bluetooth to my Amazon Echo and no ads (I think, unless they rooked me).

 
Fiddles said:
Really? Wow that is quite an honor. Didn't realize they were tight. 
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Yeah.  I don't think they knew each other until relatively recently, past 15-20 years or so.  Chris had a son (Cameron) relatively late in life; I believe Cameron is only about 10 or even younger.  Not sure exactly how Gallo, hailing from Buffalo, met Chris in the first place, but it wouldn't be difficult to find out.    

 
Aerial Assault said:
JML, just curious what you mean by this.  Can you expand on this point? 
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If I remember right, when the Timdrafts were at their peak, they were notoriously long (over a month with judging and stuff), and a lot of regular drafters in the music drafts participated in them.  I think there were a few music/mixtape drafts that gave it a go at the same time those were going on, and had a lower turnout than this one, maybe 15 people.  Partly because people were already in a draft, maybe partly because we did too many music drafts too.  

This was a fantastic turnout with great banter until the end.  Also looks like it was a great mix of different music tastes too. 

 
FUBAR said:
I currently do not use spotify (I've been using pandora and iHeart radio) but will probably add it later today.  
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My wife and I "argue" back and forth on the pandora vs. spotify.  I mostly listen to albums and playlists, so I can't stand pandora's format.  She enjoys the random mix of stuff on her stations. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
My wife and I "argue" back and forth on the pandora vs. spotify.  I mostly listen to albums and playlists, so I can't stand pandora's format.  She enjoys the random mix of stuff on her stations. 
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That's my biggest reason for sticking with Pandora.  But with the mixes from this draft, there's enough stuff I haven't heard in a while if ever to make it worthwhile.

 
FUBAR said:
FUBAR said:
That's my biggest reason for sticking with Pandora.  But with the mixes from this draft, there's enough stuff I haven't heard in a while if ever to make it worthwhile.
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That's my biggest reason for sticking with Pandora.  But with the mixes from this draft, there's enough stuff I haven't heard in a while if ever to make it worthwhile.
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Spotify has a Radio feature that plays songs related to your original song or artist selection   I've only used it by accident but it seems kind of Pandoraesque

 
sn0mm1s said:
If you hold down Ctrl and right click on the quote in your message you have the option to delete it. 
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Thanks.

Hey, I just put your mix on shuffle and the 2nd song to play was Pegboy.  Love it.  I don't think I've every heard them before.  That's the beauty of these drafts.

 
The Dreaded Marco said:
Thanks.

Hey, I just put your mix on shuffle and the 2nd song to play was Pegboy.  Love it.  I don't think I've every heard them before.  That's the beauty of these drafts.
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Pegboy is great. Steve Albini played bass on their Fore EP. They played our college and killed it. Interesting band. 

 
Eephus said:
Spotify has a Radio feature that plays songs related to your original song or artist selection   I've only used it by accident but it seems kind of Pandoraesque
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It is, so people who like the Pandora style can get that too.  I have used it a few times, but it did seem to start over with the songs after I exited and went back in.  Not 100% sure on that though.  

 
The Dreaded Marco said:
Thanks.

Hey, I just put your mix on shuffle and the 2nd song to play was Pegboy.  Love it.  I don't think I've every heard them before.  That's the beauty of these drafts.
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Awesome. Glad you like it. I love these drafts for the same reason. I get to add a few songs to my primary mix after each one. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
My wife and I "argue" back and forth on the pandora vs. spotify.  I mostly listen to albums and playlists, so I can't stand pandora's format.  She enjoys the random mix of stuff on her stations. 
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I really do not like Pandora because I find that I hate about half the music that is supposed to be related to my preferred artist(s).  And I can't skip but a few until I can't anymore (free version).  

I also most often enjoy listening to entire albums all the way (like I remember listening to them).  So much good music is "lost" these days because a song isn't released as a single - people never heard it.  

 
Before the board upgrade I had almost 18,000 posts, and now I have 13,430+.  Did others lose posting (content) counts?

 
simey said:
Before the board upgrade I had almost 18,000 posts, and now I have 13,430+.  Did others lose posting (content) counts?
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Weird.  I wondered that too.  I noticed because I thought I had hit 5000 posts during the jukebox draft and now only have 3800.  I was drinking a fair amount on some of those nights so I thought maybe I was imagining it.  Glad to hear otherwise  :banned:

 
KarmaPolice said:
If I remember right, when the Timdrafts were at their peak, they were notoriously long (over a month with judging and stuff), and a lot of regular drafters in the music drafts participated in them.  I think there were a few music/mixtape drafts that gave it a go at the same time those were going on, and had a lower turnout than this one, maybe 15 people.  Partly because people were already in a draft, maybe partly because we did too many music drafts too.  

This was a fantastic turnout with great banter until the end.  Also looks like it was a great mix of different music tastes too. 
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Aerial Assault said:
JML, just curious what you mean by this.  Can you expand on this point? 
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Pretty much what KP said.

Tim Drafts take a Loooong time and demand a lot from drafters and judges. At least half of the people in Tim Drafts were in music drafts. If there was a Tim draft beginning it would be 6 to 8 weeks before we could do a music draft and tim quite often had 2 in an NFL off season making it difficult to get the music drafts in.

 
Complete JML Draft

 4b.13 - ChVrches - Clearest Blue - 2015

7a. 17 - Susanne Sundfør - Fade Away - 2014

12b. 13 - Röyksopp feat Susanne Sundfør - Ice Machine - 2013

2012 - Skipped

9a.17 - Villa Nah - Envelope - 2011

1.17 mulligan - Gorillaz - Melancholy Hill - 2010

15b. 17 - A-Ha - Foot of the Mountain - 2009

20a. 13 - The Killers - Human - 2008

22a.13 - Vampire Weekend - Mansard Roof - 2007

23b.17 - Muse - Knights of Cydonia - 2006

5a.17 - Franz Ferdinand - Outsiders - 2005

7b. 17 - Green Day - Jesus of Suburbia - 2004

13a. 17 - Wir Sind Helden - Guten Tag - 2003

17b - 17 - Interpol - NYC - 2002

10a. 13 - The Strokes - Modern Age - 2001

2:13 - DMX - Party Up (Up in Here) - 2000

16a. 13 - Blur - Tender - 1999

1998 - Skipped

22b. 13 - Rammstein - Du Hast - 1997

24a. 13 - No Doubt - Spiderwebs - 1996

5b.17 - Smashing Pumpkins - Zero - 1995

8a. 13 - Elastica - Connection - 1994

13b. 17 - Saint Etienne - You're in a Bad Way - 1993

18a.13 - R.E.M - Nightswimming - 1992

10b. 13 - U2 - Even Better Than the Real Thing - 1991

3a.17 - KLF feat Bello B - What Time is Love? - 1990

16.b.13 - Yello - Of Course I'm Lying - 1989

20b.13 - Roachford - Cuddly Toy (Feel for me) - 1988

23a.17 - Pet Shop Boys - Always on my Mind - Vinyl Remix - 1987

24b. 13 - Prince - Kiss - 1986

6a.13 - The Cult - She Sells Sanctuary - 1985

8b. 13 - Ultravox feat Mae McKenna - Man of Two Worlds - 1984

14a. 13 - Cyndi Lauper - Money Changes Everything - 1983

18b.13 - Simple Minds - New Gold Dream (81, 82, 83, 84) -1982

11a. 17 - Abba - Slipping through my fingers - 1981

3b. 17 - OMD - Bunker Soldiers - 1980

17a.17 - Pat Benatar - We Live for Love - 1979

21a.17 - B52's - Rock Lobster - 1978

23b.17 - The Stranglers - London Lady - 1977

25a. 17 - Jean-Michel Jarre - Oxygene IV - 1976

6b.13 - Kraftwerk - Radioactivity - 1975

9a - 17 - The Sweet - Teenage Rampage - 1974

14b. 13 - Ike and Tina Turner - Nutbush City Limits - 1973

19a.17 - David Bowie - Suffragette City - 1972

11b. 17 - Derek and the Dominos - Layla - 1971

4a. 13 - Edwin Starr - War - 1970

1969 - Skipped

21b.17 - Fleetwood Mac - Albatross - 1968

23.17a - The Equals - Baby Come Back - 1967

25b. 17 - Bee Gees - Spicks and Specks - 1966

15a. 17 - Roy Orbison - In Dreams - 1963

19b.17 - The Tornados - Telstar - 1962

12a. 13 - Del Shannon - Runaway - 1961 

 
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Binky The Doormat said:
I really do not like Pandora because I find that I hate about half the music that is supposed to be related to my preferred artist(s).  And I can't skip but a few until I can't anymore (free version).  
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That's not really how it works.  The skip function is supposed to be for songs you don't want to mark as unliked, therefore you want to keep it in the rotation, you just don't want to listen to it right now.  For those you get a limited number.  You get an unlimited number of thumb's down marks, which are "not only do I not want to listen to this now, but never play this junk again".  That lets it focus better on what you actually like, instead of what it thinks you might like.  After you give it more information it get's pretty accurate.  And it will go into non single cuts once it knows you better - it starts with what it thinks is most popular and weeds down from there.  I've found that after listening for a good while to a channel and actively marking up or down (you can't be passive to start with) it gets pretty damn good.

The drawback to Pandora is twofold.  If you like playlists, or want to listen to albums straight through (Mrs. R usually wants to hear the next song on the album, dammit), Pandora doesn't work that way.  Also, Pandora has to follow broadcast radio requirements (it can't play the same artist so many times in so many hours, supposedly to keep people with tapedecks from recording the entire album and shafting the record company).  

For what Pandora does well, it does very well.  It allows a lazy bum like me to get radio stations that play exactly the weird mix of music I like without having to work up playlists to do it.  And it's great at finding stuff I didn't know about and hadn't heard before, but is similar enough to other stuff I like to go "Here, try this one".  Works for me.

 
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