Do "dawn" and "don" rhyme? (1 Viewer)

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So in the east cost are they both 'dawn'Or 'dahn'

They're not the same. Dawn is dawn and Don is dahn.

Also, is lawn the same as law + n?

Yes.

 

[mr roboto]

So in the east cost are they both 'dawn'Or 'dahn'

They're not the same. Dawn is dawn and Don is dahn.

Also, is lawn the same as law + n?

Yes.

Ok. For those arguing the sound the same, which way?

 

[netnalp]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

con isn't like cawn, it's like the con- in connect and contact. Do people really say those words as cawn-nect and cawn-tact?

I think they say cawn like con, not con like cawn.

Ooooh. So they are saying dawn, fawn and lawn like I might correctly say khan? For me khan & con are very close just I draw the "ah" out a little longer. They don't speak the "w" sound?

 

[Nipsey]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

We've been over this again and again. You weirdos from the East Coast talk funny.

The hell we do. I'm not from Maine or Massachusetts. Lon and lawn don't sound anything alike. There's a W in lawn. You're supposed to pronounce that. When you get into a relaxing hot tub how do you say "ahhhhh"? Say it out loud. When you see a cute cat liking it's kittens, how do you say "awwww"? Say that. You know there's a difference there. We don't talk funny, you guys just don't talk correctly.

 

[cstu]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

con isn't like cawn, it's like the con- in connect and contact. Do people really say those words as cawn-nect and cawn-tact?

Those are pronounced differently - cuh-nect and cawn-tact. The words above are all pronounced the same.

 

[cstu]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)

Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

We've been over this again and again. You weirdos from the East Coast talk funny.

The hell we do. I'm not from Maine or Massachusetts. Lon and lawn don't sound anything alike. There's a W in lawn. You're supposed to pronounce that. When you get into a relaxing hot tub how do you say "ahhhhh"? Say it out loud. When you see a cute cat liking it's kittens, how do you say "awwww"? Say that. You know there's a difference there. We don't talk funny, you guys just don't talk correctly.

Yes, you do and you over-pronounce everything.

 

[bostonfred]

con isn't like cawn, it's like the con- in connect and contact. Do people really say those words as cawn-nect and cawn-tact?

Connect and contact don't sound the same. Contact and con sound the same. Connect has the stress on the second syllable, and is pronounced more like cunnect than con-nect.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

We've been over this again and again. You weirdos from the East Coast talk funny.

The hell we do. I'm not from Maine or Massachusetts. Lon and lawn don't sound anything alike. There's a W in lawn. You're supposed to pronounce that. When you get into a relaxing hot tub how do you say "ahhhhh"? Say it out loud. When you see a cute cat liking it's kittens, how do you say "awwww"? Say that. You know there's a difference there. We don't talk funny, you guys just don't talk correctly.

"I need to mow the lawwwwwwwwn?"

 

[Nipsey]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

We've been over this again and again. You weirdos from the East Coast talk funny.

The hell we do. I'm not from Maine or Massachusetts. Lon and lawn don't sound anything alike. There's a W in lawn. You're supposed to pronounce that. When you get into a relaxing hot tub how do you say "ahhhhh"? Say it out loud. When you see a cute cat liking it's kittens, how do you say "awwww"? Say that. You know there's a difference there. We don't talk funny, you guys just don't talk correctly.

"I need to mow the lawwwwwwwwn?"

It's not drawn out like that but yes, it rhymes with awwwwww. The W is not silent. Ron and Paw do not have the same vowel sound. ah vs. aw. If you think they rhyme you're just morphing the two words together and technically you're pronouncing neither word correctly.

 

[glock]

They still don't rhyme.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

We've been over this again and again. You weirdos from the East Coast talk funny.

The hell we do. I'm not from Maine or Massachusetts. Lon and lawn don't sound anything alike. There's a W in lawn. You're supposed to pronounce that. When you get into a relaxing hot tub how do you say "ahhhhh"? Say it out loud. When you see a cute cat liking it's kittens, how do you say "awwww"? Say that. You know there's a difference there. We don't talk funny, you guys just don't talk correctly.

"I need to mow the lawwwwwwwwn?"

It's not drawn out like that but yes, it rhymes with awwwwww. The W is not silent. Ron and Paw do not have the same vowel sound. ah vs. aw. If you think they rhyme you're just morphing the two words together and technically you're pronouncing neither word correctly.

Your Ron and Paw comparison doesn't work. Ron and Pawn sound the same. It's the "N" that makes all the difference.

 

[Nipsey]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)

Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

We've been over this again and again. You weirdos from the East Coast talk funny.

The hell we do. I'm not from Maine or Massachusetts. Lon and lawn don't sound anything alike. There's a W in lawn. You're supposed to pronounce that. When you get into a relaxing hot tub how do you say "ahhhhh"? Say it out loud. When you see a cute cat liking it's kittens, how do you say "awwww"? Say that. You know there's a difference there. We don't talk funny, you guys just don't talk correctly.

"I need to mow the lawwwwwwwwn?"

It's not drawn out like that but yes, it rhymes with awwwwww. The W is not silent. Ron and Paw do not have the same vowel sound. ah vs. aw. If you think they rhyme you're just morphing the two words together and technically you're pronouncing neither word correctly.

Your Ron and Paw comparison doesn't work. Ron and Pawn sound the same. It's the "N" that makes all the difference.

They absolutely do not. Maybe people with thick Boston accents would pronounce Ron and Pawn the same but there's no W in Ron for the rest of America's english speaking population.

 

[Nipsey]

Here's pawn

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pawn

Here's Don

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/don?s=ts&ld=1121

Hear the difference?

 

[Slapdash]

"You have a Midland accent" is just another way of saying "you don't have an accent." You probably are from the Midland (Pennsylvania, southern Ohio, southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and Missouri) but then for all we know you could be from Florida or Charleston or one of those big southern cities like Atlanta or Dallas. You have a good voice for TV and radio.

Spot on.

 

[Slingblade]

Wait, orange sounds like 'ar-enge'? You guys have to know this is a very strong East Coast accent and not correct, right?

East Coast = correct, imo

Should be. That side of the country was settled first.I once had trouble getting directions in Raleigh, N.C. The way I needed to go involved traveling on Wade Avenue and White Avenue. Each person I stopped to get directions from would say Wade and White the same way. Eventually I found a guy with a Middle Eastern accent that was able to direct me because he spoke those words differently.

Settled first? You do remember the natives that came from the west across the strait and the sea?And can you really call post-columbian europeans, settlers? It's more like invaders.

 

[cstu]

Here's pawn

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pawn

Here's Don

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/don?s=ts&ld=1121

Hear the difference?

Pawn should be pronounced closer to don in that example, but don is pronounced too quickly. Who the heck draws out the word pawwwwwwn like that?Edit: pawn is pronounced better in this example of pawnshop.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Here's pawnhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pawnHere's Donhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/don?s=ts&ld=1121Hear the difference?

Can't listen to it right now. But if they sound different they're doing it wrong.ETA: There are two different people pronouncing the words.

 

[Nipsey]

Here's pawn

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pawn

Here's Don

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/don?s=ts&ld=1121

Hear the difference?

Pawn should be pronounced closer to don in that example, but don is pronounced to quickly. Who the heck draws out the word pawwwwwwn like that?Edit: pawn is pronounced in this example of pawnshop.

That's straight from the dictionary right there. You gonna tell them they have the definition wrong too?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Here's pawn

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pawn

Here's Don

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/don?s=ts&ld=1121

Hear the difference?

Pawn should be pronounced closer to don in that example, but don is pronounced to quickly. Who the heck draws out the word pawwwwwwn like that?Edit: pawn is pronounced in this example of pawnshop.

That's straight from the dictionary right there. You gonna tell them they have the definition wrong too?

Sounds like PON-shop to me.

 

[Nipsey]

Here's pawn

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pawn

Here's Don

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/don?s=ts&ld=1121

Hear the difference?

Pawn should be pronounced closer to don in that example, but don is pronounced to quickly. Who the heck draws out the word pawwwwwwn like that?Edit: pawn is pronounced in this example of pawnshop.

That's straight from the dictionary right there. You gonna tell them they have the definition wrong too?

Sounds like PON-shop to me.

Then the problem here is that you're deaf.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugMaBBVlXc

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Wait, orange sounds like 'ar-enge'? You guys have to know this is a very strong East Coast accent and not correct, right?

Yeah. I live in Michigan now and the people there are very quick to point it out. They explain how in Michigan they don't have and accent. And point out that the major newscasters emulate the way Michiganders talk.

When Chris Matthews was filming Hardball at different college campuses, he was at Iowa State in 2006 and said the same of Iowa. Having sampled accents of the Midwest, Iowa is definitely more accent free than Michigan. Easily.

Probably. I've had several of these "perfect pronouncing Michiganders" try to say orange isn't a two syllable word. They do this by skipping the "a", saying "orng". Sounds linke the orn- in ornament with -g sound that normally ends orange.

Orange is a 2 syllable word. I don't recall hearing it pronounced as one. It sounds like the 'several' you mention are probably from the Taylor area. Lots of accents there.

 

[netnalp]

Wait, orange sounds like 'ar-enge'? You guys have to know this is a very strong East Coast accent and not correct, right?

Yeah. I live in Michigan now and the people there are very quick to point it out. They explain how in Michigan they don't have and accent. And point out that the major newscasters emulate the way Michiganders talk.

When Chris Matthews was filming Hardball at different college campuses, he was at Iowa State in 2006 and said the same of Iowa. Having sampled accents of the Midwest, Iowa is definitely more accent free than Michigan. Easily.

Probably. I've had several of these "perfect pronouncing Michiganders" try to say orange isn't a two syllable word. They do this by skipping the "a", saying "orng". Sounds linke the orn- in ornament with -g sound that normally ends orange.

Orange is a 2 syllable word. I don't recall hearing it pronounced as one. It sounds like the 'several' you mention are probably from the Taylor area. Lots of accents there.

They were from Bath, MI.

 

[GDogg]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

Exactly.So, are lager and logger.There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

 

[GDogg]

If you have a neutral accent then you pronounce these as the same.

Which is howDon = con, Ron, bon (like bon bon)Dawn = fawn, lawn

Don, con, ron, bon, Dawn, fawn, and lawn are all pronounced the same.

The hell they are.

con isn't like cawn, it's like the con- in connect and contact. Do people really say those words as cawn-nect and cawn-tact?

No. The con in connect and the con in contact are not the same.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

 

[GDogg]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

But, I was referring to the beginning of the word.

 

[Nipsey]

do dawn and dong rhyme?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dong?s=t&ld=1121

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dawn?s=t&ld=1121

 

[chet]

Any network (not affiliate) news anchor would pronounce them the same.

/thread

 

[chet]

Any network (not affiliate) news anchor would pronounce them the same./thread

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how you close a 25-page thread.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Link us to the network footage

 

[chet]

Any network (not affiliate) news anchor would pronounce them the same./thread

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how you close a 25-page thread.

Nothing to see here. It's all over. Move along.

 

[netnalp]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

But, I was referring to the beginning of the word.

I admit I have a east coast accent. I say "ar-ange" and I admit that that is not the correct pronunciation. I'm surprised that those that say dawn and don the same aren't aware they have an accent.

 

[cstu]

Wait, orange sounds like 'ar-enge'? You guys have to know this is a very strong East Coast accent and not correct, right?

Yeah. I live in Michigan now and the people there are very quick to point it out. They explain how in Michigan they don't have and accent. And point out that the major newscasters emulate the way Michiganders talk.

When Chris Matthews was filming Hardball at different college campuses, he was at Iowa State in 2006 and said the same of Iowa. Having sampled accents of the Midwest, Iowa is definitely more accent free than Michigan. Easily.

Probably. I've had several of these "perfect pronouncing Michiganders" try to say orange isn't a two syllable word. They do this by skipping the "a", saying "orng". Sounds linke the orn- in ornament with -g sound that normally ends orange.

Funny, I grew up in Iowa and went to Iowa State. People in Iowa, especially in small towns, pronounce some words oddly ('worsh' the dishes) but generally there's not much of an accent.

 

[cstu]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

But, I was referring to the beginning of the word.

I admit I have a east coast accent. I say "ar-ange" and I admit that that is not the correct pronunciation. I'm surprised that those that say dawn and don the same aren't aware they have an accent.

Technically everyone has an accent. In my opinion when you don't make much distinction between words, such as dawn and don, it's a pretty bland type of accent and what most people would consider not having an accent.

 

[netnalp]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

But, I was referring to the beginning of the word.

I admit I have a east coast accent. I say "ar-ange" and I admit that that is not the correct pronunciation. I'm surprised that those that say dawn and don the same aren't aware they have an accent.

Technically everyone has an accent. In my opinion when you don't make much distinction between words, such as dawn and don, it's a pretty bland type of accent and what most people would consider not having an accent.

I'd consider saying -awn words like words with -on is a significant accent. What region do people do this, I don't think I've come across this accent.

 

[cstu]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

But, I was referring to the beginning of the word.

I admit I have a east coast accent. I say "ar-ange" and I admit that that is not the correct pronunciation. I'm surprised that those that say dawn and don the same aren't aware they have an accent.

Technically everyone has an accent. In my opinion when you don't make much distinction between words, such as dawn and don, it's a pretty bland type of accent and what most people would consider not having an accent.

I'd consider saying -awn words like words with -on is a significant accent. What region do people do this, I don't think I've come across this accent.

Haven't traveled much west of the Mississippi?

 

[cstu]

More on the cot-caught merger.

 

[netnalp]

There is no "a" in orange. "ar-enge" is just bizarre and wrong.

there's an A right in the word and it's not in the beginning.people in California can't read either?

But, I was referring to the beginning of the word.

I admit I have a east coast accent. I say "ar-ange" and I admit that that is not the correct pronunciation. I'm surprised that those that say dawn and don the same aren't aware they have an accent.

Technically everyone has an accent. In my opinion when you don't make much distinction between words, such as dawn and don, it's a pretty bland type of accent and what most people would consider not having an accent.

I'd consider saying -awn words like words with -on is a significant accent. What region do people do this, I don't think I've come across this accent.

Haven't traveled much west of the Mississippi?

Not much. But I see the New England area does that too. I just thought that the NE accent was limited to there.

 

[cstu]

General American English - aka Iowa English.

 

[bostonfred]

The second round of this argument wasn't nearly as funny.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The second round of this argument wasn't nearly as funny.

 

[bostonfred]

The second round of this argument wasn't nearly as funny.

You're still an ###hat.

 

[netnalp]

General American English - aka Iowa English.

Dialect map This shows how complex the accents are.The site linked a few post back says that dawn = don speakers are missing a vowel sound.

Vowel sounds in English

"It is not easy to determine exactly how many vowels there are in English. American speakers have about sixteen vowels (though some have fewer), and British speakers

may have about twenty vowels, though there may be more depending on the analysis adopted."

Seems like General American English is just another accent. It's just harder to pinpoint where the person using it is from. It looks like there isn't any region that can claim to correctly speak the language. Some are just more identifiable than others.

I did find the answer to why Michiganders seem so pompous about their speaking. It's because they are snobs about it and wrong!

"As research by Dennis Preston has shown, Michiganders believe they are “blessed” with a high degree of linguistic security; when surveyed, they rate their own speech as more correct and more pleasant than that of even their fellow Mid-westerners. By contrast Indianans tend to rate the speech of their state on par with that of Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan. Indeed, it is not uncommon to find Michiganders who will claim that the speech of national broadcasters is modeled on their dialect. Even a cursory comparison of the speech of the network news anchors with that of the local news anchors in Detroit will reveal the fallacy of such claims. Nevertheless, the Michiganders′ faith that they speak an accentless variety is just an extreme version of the general stereotype of Midwestern English.[6]"

 

[bostonfred]

Its like an army of doug bs.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The second round of this argument wasn't nearly as funny.

You're still an ###hat.

thanks

 

[bostonfred]

The second round of this argument wasn't nearly as funny.

You're still an ###hat.

thanks

I mean it in a nice way, but also metaphorically. Weird sounds come out of that hole right under your hat. That's a fact.

 

[mr roboto]

Nevermind

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Been done already

 

[mr roboto]

Been done already

Damn.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Of course they do.