Ministry of Pain
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Nelson Cruz being traded to the Rays, details not quite released on this yet.
Joe Ryan and Strotman from the Rays. Two good arms. Still, exciting!!Nelson Cruz being traded to the Rays, details not quite released on this yet.
They instantly become the Twins' No 6 and No 13 prospects in their farm system.Joe Ryan and Strotman from the Rays. Two good arms. Still, exciting!!
The logo is horrendousGuardians is a sick team name. Grats to The Land.
*lalala* Groot, groot, groot for the hooooome team *lalala*The Tampa Bay Rays will not be playing the Cleveland Indians tonight.
This will be the first time they take the field as the new Cleveland Guardians of the Galaxy, their new logo is going to be a Maxell Hi Bias Cassette and the alternate logo will of course be the guy getting his hair blown back in the seat wearing the shades.
When I read the connection to the Guardians along the bridge, seems like a good move but I am going to feel guilty watching Major League now. Was the fan base clamoring for a name change? I really didn't know they were doing this, was more focused on WFT.
Not sure Scherzer is in the cards but I would love it if he landed in St Pete.Joe Mammy said:And the most entertaining team in baseball comes back in extras for their 30th come from behind win this year! Cruz will be in the lineup tomorrow and there are already rumblings that Scherzer is the next acquisition!
The Diego vs Goliath (Franmil Reyes) showdown in the 10th was epic!
Hang in there Yanks, knock off the Sox and the Rays are back in first in the demanding AL East.
Hill has been really bad since early July. He’s 41, approaching an innings limit and is close to done imo. I actually didn’t think he would make the playoff roster.Ministry of Pain said:The Rays who have very little to show at the moment in their starting rotation have traded Rich Hill, arguably their best starting pitcher this season and they have traded him to the New York Mets.
I am hoping that Matt Scherzer and Kyle Gibson are coming because they also have traded away 2 Top-20 Pitching Prospects to get 41-yr old Nelson Cruz.
Hope the Rays will be announcing their pitching moves soon. Hunter did pitch for the Rays in 2017, like 60 games out of the bullpen, 2.61 ERA, they must think they can get him in shape.
Nick pitched 1 inning yesterday in Durham, 2K's. He'll be back up soon bolstering the best pen in baseball.Rays have more pitching than they know what to do with. Shane Baz will be up soon. Patino. Archer, McKay, Drake, Anderson, just tons of arms coming back these last few months.
Im with you JM, its weird that a team that has almost no SP would trade what has arguably been their most reliable and yet I agree with @Capella on this quite a bit, whatever they got for Rich Hill is going to taste sweet in spring training next year but we need pieces that can perform right now.Nick pitched 1 inning yesterday in Durham, 2K's. He'll be back up soon bolstering the best pen in baseball.
The Hill trade was puzzling. He could grunt a curveball about 36". I guess Hill for deGrom didn't fly.
They are on pace for 85 wins. In 2014 and 2016 they had 84 wins. But yes they are a horribly mismanaged team and horribly put together roster. Their rotation is Cole and a bunch of 5 inning injury prone pitchers (good job letting Tanaka leave). Their bullpen is their strength but has had some epic collapses (good job letting go of Whitlock to sign Wilson). And an all right handed lineup with absolutely zero athleticism (wtf happened to Torres).When is the last time the Yankees were this bad?
I don’t think the Rays need to add any pitching at all. They have the best pitching in the league and a lot more ready to go. Hill was traded to make room for Patino, no other reason.Im with you JM, its weird that a team that has almost no SP would trade what has arguably been their most reliable and yet I agree with @Capella on this quite a bit, whatever they got for Rich Hill is going to taste sweet in spring training next year but we need pieces that can perform right now.
Gray in CO, Gibson in TEX and Scherzer in WAS all seem like good moves. Scherzer was held out tonight so I think he is definitely being traded but don't be surprised if he ends up in Boston or Houston because I won't.
Respectfully disagree but I am open to your thoughts on this, I just feel strongly they don't have enough in the starting rotation at the moment. Yarborough and McClanahan, Patino and Fleming, Glasnow is not coming back this year, that's my opinion but when you look at his career stats he simply cannot put together a full season. Many of them are 60 innings with about 12 starts. He cannot start 20-25 games in a season, his 100mph fast ball is incredible but he cannot start and finish a season.I don’t think the Rays need to add any pitching at all. They have the best pitching in the league and a lot more ready to go. Hill was traded to make room for Patino, no other reason.
You keep thinking about SP like the Rays use a 1986 Roger Clemens or something. They don’t need a “shutdown ace” they’ll just pitch all these guys 4-5 innings and then turn it over to the pen. Trust me it’s fine. They know what they’re doing here and it’s the right strategy. Also:Respectfully disagree but I am open to your thoughts on this, I just feel strongly they don't have enough in the starting rotation at the moment. Yarborough and McClanahan, Patino and Fleming, Glasnow is not coming back this year, that's my opinion but when you look at his career stats he simply cannot put together a full season. Many of them are 60 innings with about 12 starts. He cannot start 20-25 games in a season, his 100mph fast ball is incredible but he cannot start and finish a season.
Maybe the Rays get lucky and he comes back right before the Playoffs but it feels like they need more IMO when they face Boston and Houston and then maybe LA/SF/SD whoever would be in the WS if they can make it that far.
-On another note, how about that offense and the line up now? Seems like Cruz and Meadows are going to be the 3-4 hitters nightly, Franco slides down to 6 and the middle to bottom of the line up now has plenty of pop. I'm not as high on Choi as some, but if he starts coming around with Cruz right behind him when he is batting 2nd in this line up, he's getting pitches to hit.
Coming back around...so you can stomach some set up with the 4 starting pitchers they are using now, I would like it if 1-2 of them got hot going into September and became the No 1 guy, Shane seems to have the best chance although I find his stuff is not overpowering to opposing hitters, he's more of an artist on the mound. I would like to see them try and go with a trio from the bullpen for one of the nights in whatever series they end up with...example is let's say they make it to the ALCS, they go Shane-Patino(assuming he just gets better with every start, Marline did it with a young Dontrelle Willis) and then a combo of whatever is left for Game 3 or do something like we saw last night with 3-4 pitchers handling the 1st 6-7 innings. I'm fine with that but I think they need one of these veteran arms, I keep pointing at Gibson because he is signed next year which makes it easier to part with a piece or two.
-Taylor Walls was sent back to Durham for the moment...I have not been super impressed with him. Don't know if that's a temporary move or if he is going to stay there for a few weeks. Top 5 prospect coming into this season for the Rays.
The Rays are a very likeable team. This Astros fan rooted for them last year vs. the Dodgers.I am a Twins fan (frustrating year for sure) but I will be rooting for the Rays the rest of the way. I have always been amazed at how they are able to put together a very competitive team every year despite being a small market team with a limited roster bankroll. Then Minnesota goes and trades Cruz to them. I know the trade had to be done, Minnesota got more than I thought the would for him and hopefully those players can be solid. I was a fan of Cruz when Minnesota signed him and he has been probably one of the best free agent signings in Twins history, very fun to watch and easy to be a fan of. Hopefully he can get a ring in Tampa because he deserves one.
Seeing lots of Snell jerseys here. This place has historically been a landing pad for Rays’ trades.
Dodgers replacing the Yankees as the team to hate. Getting Max AND Trea, come on man.
Sounds like it is a done deal. Seager back tomorrow. RIDICULOUS!
As a lifelong Padres fan today has been my baseball nightmare.Dodgers replacing the Yankees as the team to hate. Getting Max AND Trea, come on man.
It’s never done til it’s doneSounds like it is a done deal. Seager back tomorrow. RIDICULOUS!
Trevor Bauer probably gonzo but still this is just an embarrassment of riches.
If I'm the Padres I'm throwing the kitchen sink to get Turner.It’s never done til it’s done
Yeah, Bauer will not be coming back
Where would Trea play? We just traded for Frazier and have Cronenworth both of whom are studs.If I'm the Padres I'm throwing the kitchen sink to get Turner.
Machado, Tatis, and Trea would be studly with Yu and Max in a series
I'm putting Tuner at 2nd (think that's what is happening if he goes to LA). Trading Frazier or Cronenworth for middle reliever depth. Can one of them play first? These are 1st world baseball problems.Where would Trea play? We just traded for Frazier and have Cronenworth both of whom are studs.
Frazier is a multi time all star (including this year as a starter) and leads the league in batting average and hits. Cronenworth is an all star this year and a flat stud (probably 3rd best player on the team). Trea, as good as he is, just doesn’t fit and doesn’t upgrade.I'm putting Tuner at 2nd (think that's what is happening if he goes to LA). Trading Frazier or Cronenworth for middle reliever depth. Can one of them play first? These are 1st world baseball problems.
Meanwhile my Mariners big move is trading for journeymen reliever and soda for the clubhouse.
You get Turner and Max!Frazier is a multi time all star (including this year as a starter) and leads the league in batting average and hits. Cronenworth is an all star this year and a flat stud (probably 3rd best player on the team). Trea, as good as he is, just doesn’t fit and doesn’t upgrade.
We need a top of the rotation guy (largely due to Snell ####ting the bed this year) and we’re good.