Dogs Indoors At Breweries - Yes or No? (2 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

Good point about an actual service dog. They should be the exception, if that's not obvious. I also highly doubt they'd be the dog causing any potential issue.

Yea, that's my exception, as it should be. Those service animals have been specifically trained to act accordingly in high traffic areas/situations.

Probably should have mentioned that above. I've had dogs off & on all my life, last one just passed a few months ago and think he was the end of it for me, just too tough. It never once in my life occurred to me to drag my dogs with me everywhere I went.

Side note: You can tell a true service dog from the rest of the pack. A true service dog never ceases to continue staring and looking at their owner, they don't want to be petted in public
It's an easy tell when their little 10 lb fluffy service dog is looking at me and barking, that ain't no service dog.
And Emotional Support animals are not service animals, I'm sorry

Alexia Dox on Instagram: "The original. The first…Tiny Dog in a Grocery Store anthem. #tinydog"

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Oh yeah that comes up a lot that the little dog is so small why would anyone care, I live in the Palm Beach area and they love to stuff them into their purses like that excuses them from the dog signs posted

 

[beer 30]

Good point about an actual service dog. They should be the exception, if that's not obvious. I also highly doubt they'd be the dog causing any potential issue.

Yea, that's my exception, as it should be. Those service animals have been specifically trained to act accordingly in high traffic areas/situations.

Probably should have mentioned that above. I've had dogs off & on all my life, last one just passed a few months ago and think he was the end of it for me, just too tough. It never once in my life occurred to me to drag my dogs with me everywhere I went.

Side note: You can tell a true service dog from the rest of the pack. A true service dog never ceases to continue staring and looking at their owner, they don't want to be petted in public
It's an easy tell when their little 10 lb fluffy service dog is looking at me and barking, that ain't no service dog.
And Emotional Support animals are not service animals, I'm sorry

Alexia Dox on Instagram: "The original. The first…Tiny Dog in a Grocery Store anthem. #tinydog"

296K likes, 4,936 comments - alexiadox on September 7, 2023: "The original. The first…Tiny Dog in a Grocery Store anthem. #tinydog".

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[Zow]

This need to bring your dog everywhere needs to cease immediately*. Dogs are for home or walks.

*life long dog owner here

You and I are like spirit animals on lots of issues.

 

[dkp993]

This need to bring your dog everywhere needs to cease immediately*. Dogs are for home or walks.

*life long dog owner here

You and I are like spirit animals on lots of issues.

I’ve noticed that my friend. Great minds and all…..

 

[Scoresman]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

You disagree that kids are easier to control? Dogs are on leashes for a reason.

Whether or not to bring children out with you depends on the setting but most people aren’t going to pay for a babysitter just to go to the market or to casually grab some food. Your point seems more focused on being argumentative than on being realistic.

My point is that it makes little sense to me to allow kids when they are just as much or even more of a problem than dogs. If you want to disallow both, fine, but both can be just as irritating to deal with as the other.

To the point of leashes, little kids have high chairs that essentially locks them in, same concept. Have you ever been to a restaurant where the parents let the kids run around all over the place? Awful.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

gives hair of the dog a whole new meaning

 

[Zow]

I would not take my kids now 7-10 in age range to a brewery, though, out of courtesy to others. So, I get that preference.

Courtesy? I don’t get this. A typical brewery is generally very kid friendly and not really a place where older dudes feel the need to get all inappropriate and ****.

You haven't met my kids.

I would run into traffic for them, but they can be loud and annoying - they are NOT the type of kids than can sit quietly coloring or whatever. I would like to think I'm the parent equivalent of the responsible dog owner who recognizes his dogs will disrupt everybody's personal peace and quiet so they're best kept out of certain social situations as a courtesy to others. Plus, it's tough to enjoy a beer when I'm constantly looking out for what my kids may be doing.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

You disagree that kids are easier to control? Dogs are on leashes for a reason.

Whether or not to bring children out with you depends on the setting but most people aren’t going to pay for a babysitter just to go to the market or to casually grab some food. Your point seems more focused on being argumentative than on being realistic.

My point is that it makes little sense to me to allow kids when they are just as much or even more of a problem than dogs. If you want to disallow both, fine, but both can be just as irritating to deal with as the other.

To the point of leashes, little kids have high chairs that essentially locks them in, same concept. Have you ever been to a restaurant where the parents let the kids run around all over the place? Awful.

But they are not.

 

[Scoresman]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

You disagree that kids are easier to control? Dogs are on leashes for a reason.

Whether or not to bring children out with you depends on the setting but most people aren’t going to pay for a babysitter just to go to the market or to casually grab some food. Your point seems more focused on being argumentative than on being realistic.

My point is that it makes little sense to me to allow kids when they are just as much or even more of a problem than dogs. If you want to disallow both, fine, but both can be just as irritating to deal with as the other.

To the point of leashes, little kids have high chairs that essentially locks them in, same concept. Have you ever been to a restaurant where the parents let the kids run around all over the place? Awful.

But they are not.

Ok

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I think it would be an auto no since it seems like it might break some health code or something

 

[Scoresman]

I think it would be an auto no since it seems like it might break some health code or something

Guess I've been breaking health codes all my life having my dog near me when eating at home.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I think it would be an auto no since it seems like it might break some health code or something

Guess I've been breaking health codes all my life having my dog near me when eating at home.

You're not breaking any health codes. The health department does not have jurisdiction over food preparation in a private residence unless the food is being prepared for commercial purposes or to be sold to the public.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I don't think health codes are enforceable to a private residence.

Maybe I shouldn't be posting here if I don't know enough about the subject but it just seems like it would be considered unsanitary to have an animal in the kitchen/production area. The only time it's acceptable to have animals is a vietnamese restaurant.

Spoiler

BA DUM TISH

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Do all dog owners think their pet is so great that everyone else should endure them stiffing people and being where people trip over them?

 

[Scoresman]

I think it would be an auto no since it seems like it might break some health code or something

Guess I've been breaking health codes all my life having my dog near me when eating at home.

You're not breaking any health codes. The health department does not have jurisdiction over food preparation in a private residence unless the food is being prepared for commercial purposes or to be sold to the public.

I know this. My point is why they exist all. what is the problem if I can eat healthily around my dog at home vs. a restaurant? And if it's a hygiene issue, why are service dogs allowed? Are they somehow cleaner?

What about toddlers who are germ factories yelling and screaming and throwing their half eaten slobbery, germ-ridden food all over the place? Where's the health department for this situation?

 

[Bossman]

I'm not a fan of dogs being where I'm consuming food or beverage ... but, I understand it is a draw for breweries to offer a place for dog owners to go with pooch.
It's not something that is allowed at most bars / restaurants so yeah, as a dog owner, pretty cool you can take it with you to the brewery.
That said, don't bring a misbehaving pup and keep it leashed to yourself. Nobody wants to hear your dog barking and it shouldn't be allowed to roam free about the place.

 

[Zow]

Do all dog owners think their pet is so great that everyone else should endure them stiffing people and being where people trip over them?

All? No. Several us of dog owners* in here have said dogs shouldn't be in public places.

But many? Yes.

*Yes, I am a dog owner despite my client of fondness for dogs. My fondness for my wife outweighs such.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I think it would be an auto no since it seems like it might break some health code or something

Guess I've been breaking health codes all my life having my dog near me when eating at home.

You're not breaking any health codes. The health department does not have jurisdiction over food preparation in a private residence unless the food is being prepared for commercial purposes or to be sold to the public.

I know this. My point is why they exist all. what is the problem if I can eat healthily around my dog at home vs. a restaurant? And if it's a hygiene issue, why are service dogs allowed? Are they somehow cleaner?

What about toddlers who are germ factories yelling and screaming and throwing their half eaten slobbery, germ-ridden food all over the place? Where's the health department for this situation?

Yes, service dogs are expected to be cleaner because they are trained to follow specific hygiene standards and to behave appropriately in public settings.

As for the comparison between kids and dogs, dogs can carry specific pathogens that are more easily transmitted, which is why health departments focus on the risks associated with animals.

 

[rockaction]

No, thank you. But me owning a business is a hoot at this point, so the point is moot.

 

[rockaction]

That we need people to remind us of the sanitary issues with dogs around food and drink tells me that there are people who are completely unserious and unqualified to decide these things.

 

[dkp993]

What about toddlers who are germ factories yelling and screaming and throwing their half eaten slobbery, germ-ridden food all over the place? Where's the health department for this situation?

I’m really starting to wonder about the places you go to eat where this is common place.

It would be hard pressed for someone to have spent more time in restaurants than me. Between it being my career from 18 to late 30’s and my own love of eating out it’s truly a top 1% of people type thing. And I can tell you, at least from my experience, what you describe is truly the exception. Most people keep their kids inline with socially acceptable behavior.

 

[dkp993]

That we need people to remind us of the sanitary issues with dogs around food and drink tells me that there are people who are completely unserious and unqualified to decide these things.

Or the difference between our children and our fricking dogs.

 

[Snoopy]

 

[Scoresman]

What about toddlers who are germ factories yelling and screaming and throwing their half eaten slobbery, germ-ridden food all over the place? Where's the health department for this situation?

I’m really starting to wonder about the places you go to eat where this is common place.

It would be hard pressed for someone to have spent more time in restaurants than me. Between it being my career from 18 to late 30’s and my own love of eating out it’s truly a top 1% of people type thing. And I can tell you, at least from my experience, what you describe is truly the exception. Most people keep their kids inline with socially acceptable behavior.

Of course. And most people keep their dogs in line as well.

My whole point has been that in the context of eating out and the possibility of having the experience negatively affected, there is not much difference between a dog and a small child in my experience.

 

[-OZ-]

This is more from the angle of if you're the owner of the brewery, do you set a policy that allows or prohibits dogs?

I’d allow dogs if it’a an outside brewery. And have a fenced in area designed for them to play. Along with a policy that if a dog shows aggression, the dog wouldn’t be permitted to stay. Same policy for humans.

 

[-OZ-]

there is not much difference between a dog and a small child in my experience.

Dogs are often better behaved.

 

[-OZ-]

This need to bring your dog everywhere needs to cease immediately*. Dogs are for home or walks.

*life long dog owner here

You and I are like spirit animals on lots of issues.

Totally agreed that the trend is tiresome.
But if I were to own a brewery, it would include a dog park.

 

[Todem]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

You disagree that kids are easier to control? Dogs are on leashes for a reason.

Whether or not to bring children out with you depends on the setting but most people aren’t going to pay for a babysitter just to go to the market or to casually grab some food. Your point seems more focused on being argumentative than on being realistic.

All I ever had to do with either my dogs I have owned or my son was change the tone of my voice.

Maybe I should write a book for all these helicopter clueless people these days who are failing miserably at the basic principals of parenting.

 

[Todem]

there is not much difference between a dog and a small child in my experience.

Dogs are often better behaved.

I can agree with that.

 

[Todem]

What about toddlers who are germ factories yelling and screaming and throwing their half eaten slobbery, germ-ridden food all over the place? Where's the health department for this situation?

I’m really starting to wonder about the places you go to eat where this is common place.

It would be hard pressed for someone to have spent more time in restaurants than me. Between it being my career from 18 to late 30’s and my own love of eating out it’s truly a top 1% of people type thing. And I can tell you, at least from my experience, what you describe is truly the exception. Most people keep their kids inline with socially acceptable behavior.

Of course. And most people keep their dogs in line as well.

My whole point has been that in the context of eating out and the possibility of having the experience negatively affected, there is not much difference between a dog and a small child in my experience.

Hahaha that is true!!!

 

[rockaction]

All I ever had to do with either my dogs I have owned or my son was change the tone of my voice.

And then follow through with the punishment implied by the change of tone in your voice. That’s the key. Don’t want to go to your room without exit? Don’t test me.

 

[rockaction]

As we speak, KTLA is doing a segment on dog saliva and what it transfers to humans (potentially). They had a dog kissing booth up and the guy talking about the study just shook his head. Dogs are animals folks. They eat or get right in there and smell their own poop at times. This cannot be sanitary for being around food and drink.

This is a hard no for me. Please advertise that you are dog friendly and we’ll all be fine because I’ll know where not to go.

 

[The Gator]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

You disagree that kids are easier to control? Dogs are on leashes for a reason.

More kids should be

 

[Todem]

All I ever had to do with either my dogs I have owned or my son was change the tone of my voice.

And then follow through with the punishment implied by the change of tone in your voice. That’s the key. Don’t want to go to your room without exit? Don’t test me.

1000% Bark and Bite and watch how your babies become obedient.

 

[General Malaise]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

 

[-OZ-]

This is a hard no for me. Please advertise that you are dog friendly and we’ll all be fine because I’ll know where not to go.

This is the key. Let people know the environment and they can decide. Don’t bring dogs where it isn’t clear they’re wanted.

 

[The Gator]

All I ever had to do with either my dogs I have owned or my son was change the tone of my voice.

And then follow through with the punishment implied by the change of tone in your voice.

Only in training.

After that, there should be no need to follow through or you didn't train them well.

 

[Todem]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

My dog is like my kid. But we don’t have to take then to restaurants and supermarkets. They are well adjusted to stay home and wait for us and we revel in their joy of us returning.

Now in terms of places that are dog friendly….I have no issues with that. Most have a patio/outdoor area.

My issue is supermarkets, inside restaurants and other places that should be off limits.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

But me owning a business is a hoot at this point

tell me more about your product and/or services

 

[General Malaise]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

My dog is like my kid. But we don’t have to take then to restaurants and supermarkets. They are well adjusted to stay home and wait for us and we revel in their joy of us returning.

Now in terms of places that are dog friendly….I have no issues with that. Most have a patio/outdoor area.

My issue is supermarkets, inside restaurants and other places that should be off limits.

I said nothing about a supermarket here.

I provided a very specific example - extended road trips with our dog. If we stop for lunch I'm not leaving our dog in the car. Period.

He's been left in hotel rooms or VRBOs a time or two, but on road trips with the fam, I find dog friendly places that want our business. And, he usually just lays down under the table and comes out to flirt with the servers.

 

[dkp993]

But me owning a business is a hoot at this point

tell me more about your product and/or services

It’s a writing service- long form prose with intelligent, obscure references connecting multiple topics and timelines requiring multiple rereads for the most minimal of comprehension. It’s called Prose Rock.

 

[Gatorade]

So a dog on a bar stool or a stranger on a bar stool? Who would you save from falling off first?

Dog

 

[Scoresman]

If we're talking about businesses, my grand idea is an airline with dogs in every middle seat. Rescue dogs that are well trained and kept by the airline.

No more having to sit in a middle seat and no more having to fight over armrests!

What could go wrong!?

 

[General Malaise]

If we're talking about businesses, my grand idea is an airline with dogs in every middle seat. Rescue dogs that are well trained and kept by the airline.

No more having to sit in a middle seat and no more having to fight over armrests!

What could go wrong!?

I'd give money to this.

If you ever come west of the river, look up GiGi's Cafe for brunch. Sweet story about the owner's son and his work with rescue dogs and vets suffering from PTSD before he passed.

You got a good heart Scores.

 

[Scoresman]

If we're talking about businesses, my grand idea is an airline with dogs in every middle seat. Rescue dogs that are well trained and kept by the airline.

No more having to sit in a middle seat and no more having to fight over armrests!

What could go wrong!?

I'd give money to this.

If you ever come west of the river, look up GiGi's Cafe for brunch. Sweet story about the owner's son and his work with rescue dogs and vets suffering from PTSD before he passed.

You got a good heart Scores.

Thanks, but as I age and am slowly turning into a grumpy old man, I'm beginning to like dogs over a lot of humans.

 

[The Gator]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

My dog is like my kid. But we don’t have to take then to restaurants and supermarkets. They are well adjusted to stay home and wait for us and we revel in their joy of us returning.

Now in terms of places that are dog friendly….I have no issues with that. Most have a patio/outdoor area.

My issue is supermarkets, inside restaurants and other places that should be off limits.

I said nothing about a supermarket here.

I provided a very specific example - extended road trips with our dog. If we stop for lunch I'm not leaving our dog in the car. Period.

Also, Bring Fido is a decent app for finding dog friendly places

 

[HellToupee]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

My dog is like my kid. But we don’t have to take then to restaurants and supermarkets. They are well adjusted to stay home and wait for us and we revel in their joy of us returning.

Now in terms of places that are dog friendly….I have no issues with that. Most have a patio/outdoor area.

My issue is supermarkets, inside restaurants and other places that should be off limits.

I said nothing about a supermarket here.

I provided a very specific example - extended road trips with our dog. If we stop for lunch I'm not leaving our dog in the car. Period.

Also, Bring Fido is a decent app for finding dog friendly places

We use bring Fido on trips to see family from Florida to Mass .Helps a lot for hotels

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I'm a little disappointed in the "similar threads" feature on this site.

How so? I thought the article was interesting and thought a poll might be interesting.

It did not pull in @Willie Neslon 's thread.

Do you have a link to the thread?

Thread 'Tense interaction with a dog owner in a bar on my birthday - Photo of dog added to post 1' https://forums.footballguys.com/thr...birthday-photo-of-dog-added-to-post-1.808433/

We need that picture back! I remember clicking on it and it was hilarious to me for some reason. Partly because the particular way the dog was sitting was so unexpected I guess.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Dogs can stay home, people. If you can't live without your dog for two hours than go seek some help. Dogs everywhere makes it stressful on the dog and all the other people trying to go about their day without a dog under their feet all the time.

I love dogs. Have one at home. But man it's getting old seeing dogs literally everywhere these days. And if I see one more dog panting in the back of the car because their owner just can't leave them at home for a half hour I'm gonna get all ragey up in their business.

I mostly don’t mind dogs being out anywhere but this is my biggest issue with it. I suppose that some dogs are social and happier to be around people than alone, but I think that the majority are probably not enjoying it that much when there is a lot of noise and a lot of big creatures around.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I'm a little disappointed in the "similar threads" feature on this site.

How so? I thought the article was interesting and thought a poll might be interesting.

It did not pull in @Willie Neslon 's thread.

Do you have a link to the thread?

Thread 'Tense interaction with a dog owner in a bar on my birthday - Photo of dog added to post 1' https://forums.footballguys.com/thr...birthday-photo-of-dog-added-to-post-1.808433/

We need that picture back! I remember clicking on it and it was hilarious to me for some reason. Partly because the particular way the dog was sitting was so unexpected I guess.

https://i.ibb.co/8dZCCR2/willie-dog-bar.png