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Derrick Williams has been overhyped since high school, when he was an all-everything five star recruit. I've never been that impressed with him and I'll be surprised if he makes a dent in the NFL. He's like a much worse version of Ted Ginn.
He's one of my favorite PSU players, but I can't disagree. I think he's a great lesson in the differences in High School competition. He looked great, showing athleticism and lots of speed and quickness in HS. But the competetion wasn't that great. They weren't horrible, just not as good as in other parts of the country. Then he skipped the Army All-American game, which I think would have shown that he wasn't as quick as the other elite HS players. He's still a very good athlete and a smart football player. But I doubt he does much in the NFL.
Missed 2007 with an injured knee. Had a decent 2008 season, IMO, but UVA had QB issues too. I think he's someone to keep an eye on but certainly not an elite prospect.I would guess 4th-7th round depending on workouts.
He thinks he will be a first day pick. If he runs a 4.3 something he might be, but he wont, imo. Needs to work on route running and hands(though not bad), but has great game speed and explosiveness. He's a gamer, so Im thinking late 3rd-4th round is a possibility.A few reasons he is leaving is because he doesnt like Groh, has already graduated, bad QB play, the previously mentioned knee injury, and they are installing a new spread offense at UVA.
You'd think a spread offense would help a WR.
Doesn't help him get any bigger or faster. The NFL doesn't really care what kind of offense you played in college.
As much as I hate it as a hawkeye fan who must face him for 2-3 years, Pryor is a true freshman who was playing in his first BCS bowl...he has a ton of raw talent and tremendous potential, we can't forget he still has a min of 2 more years of college refining before he comes outIs Dez Bryant a true sophmore or redshirt? he is a beast on the field and would be in my top 5 WR if he was coming out.Lastly, sleeping on Donald Brown would be a mistake...I have read artisles on his ridiculous work ethic and the fact that he is earning a degree in strength training sure doesn't hurt
There is no amount of time that would refine Pryor's throwing ability enough to make him a legit NFL prospect. Just not going to happen.Pat White (West Virginia) is a MUCH BETTER passer than Pryor would ever be able to be and scouts aren't even considering him as an NFL QB. If you can't throw a decent ball as a Freshman in college, there's no way to improve that enough in 2-3 years where he would be NFL capable.Pryor is a tremendous athlete and playmaker. He's not an NFL calibre QB.
True sophomore. He'd probably be my WR1 if he was eligible, although Crabtree is no slouch.
To be fair, White doesn't have NFL QB size. Prior has great size and could develop into a better thrower than White. Lets all remember the guy was in High School 9 months ago.
White is 6'3". Yes, he's skinny but he has plenty enough height, combined with his mobility to be an NFL QB. White doesn't have the mechanics, passing field awareness, accuracy or velocity that an NFL QB needs which is why he's not being considered. Pryor is worse in all of those categories than White is.aposulli said:
At this point, sure Pryor is worse, but he's got time is all I'm saying. White is not 6'3" from what I can see.
Just googled it and many places say 6-1 to 6-2 (not sure where I heard 6-3, but guess not that far off anyways)Here's a pic of him standing next to Steve Slaton who's 5-9 if that makes any difference to guess how tall he really is.
Not a whole lot of a difference. Maclin is a bit taller. Harvin a bit better of a runner in the open field. Maclin has to be the more polished route-runner at this point in his career given the offenses they each were a part of in college. Also I'd take Maclin with the ball in the air. Harvin will have a career similar to Royal for sure.
I think so. He's probably not going to be a great big play threat at the next level, but he's a fluid runner with a compact build. Good power, good balance, adequate speed. He could be a Rudi Johnson type for an NFL team next season.
He's definitely worth a top 5-6 dynasty pick, imo. I think at this point i rank him higher than Beanie Wells. Beanie is too vertical when he runs, has poor jukes/lateral movement, doesn't have great quickness, and has injury problems. Greene runs low, has fluid hips which help his lateral movement and ability to break tackles. Though Beanie likely has more straight line speed than Greene does. Most of the tackles that Beanie breaks are via stiff arm, he doesn't really bounce off of defenders as much as i would like. Greene bounces off defenders all the time. Right now i think i rank Greene 3rd for the incoming RB class behind Moreno and Mccoy.
That sounds about right to me. Those are probably the three safest RBs in this crop.I like the way Moreno runs, but he doesn't have much speed. McCoy could be a Westbrook type, but has a lanky build and lacks power. Greene is what he is: a blue collar grinder who should be able to step in and handle 300+ carries. I need to see where they land before I definitively rank them. McCoy would be upgraded in PPR while Greene would be downgraded.
Two Big10 backs amongst the top 5 fantasy picks...that can't have a happy ending!
I'm not a big fan of Beanie Wells. I won't be the one drafting him in the top 5 in any dynasty leagues anywayTwo Big10 backs amongst the top 5 fantasy picks...that can't have a happy ending!
The official title of the degree is exercise science...but in an interview he called it strength trainingHawkeyeChief said:
Harvin is one of the top players on my board in PPR leagues. I think people are letting his gimmicky college usage distract them from his obvious potential as a pure WR at the next level. He has a great first step, he's a smooth runner, he's a natural hands catcher, he's lethal after the catch, and he's a phenomenal overall athlete with the physical tools needed to excel in the NFL. He seems like one of the safest picks in this draft from an FF perspective. It's fitting that he's entering the league the year after Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson because he reminds me of each of them in different ways. Like Royal, he's a strength/speed freak of nature whose poor usage in college obscured very underrated pure WR skills. Like Jackson, he's a lightning quick speedster who's dangerous every time he touches the rock. Jeremy Maclin is no slouch and I think he has the potential to become a very good player in his own right, but I prefer Harvin because there's a little more of a "wow" factor athletically and he's more put together.
Count me as another who is very high on Harvin.
D.Jackson had much much better receiving stats in college then Harvin ever did. He had a 1,000 yard season as a sophomore and was a ton more polished at WR then Harvin coming into the NFL.Harvin won't have near the rushing numbers in the NFL and i don't see him being able to put up big enough receiving stats to be anything more than at best a #2 fantasy WR throughout his career, more likely a #3 or #4 for fantasy purposes.No way i would touch high in rookie drafts.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. People are looking at the stats/usage and not the athlete. Eddie Royal never had more than 496 receiving yards in a college season. Did that prevent him from becoming the top rookie WR?Forget about how Florida used Harvin. It's irrelevant. What matters is whether or not he has the goods to play WR in the NFL. I say yes.
I think Harvin can become a Santana Moss/Eddie Royal/Laveranues Coles type, which would be a great return on your investment if you take him roughly near where his ADP will be (probably around 1.05-1.10 in PPR leagues).
I'm basing him more on what he brings to the table as a WR, i just pointed out the stats to show jackson had showed he was capable of big receiving numbers.Is Harvin? I don't think he's polished enough at WR, at least at the moment he isn't. Can he develop into a great WR? I would say no way he becomes a fitz/aj/cj type, and would be lucky to have Coles/Moss type production as far as receiving stats go. If his upside is Coles then i think that just reinforces the point that Harvin isn't a great prospect as far as FF is concerned.Is he worth a midish/late 1st round pick, sure, but only because all midish/late picks are longshots to become very useful in FF unless it's a QB because they always fall in dynasty drafts.I'm not saying he's a bad pick or prospect, i'm just saying he isn't a GREAT prospect which is what many are saying. He has a limited upside IMO, which caps his value for FF.
FAST. High 4.3's.
squat and bench numbers don't mean much to me really. What I see on the field is a decent runner, but not someone who has enough of the "it" factor to have staying power in the NFL. He does many things good, but not much is great about his game. To continue to be a factor year in and year out in the NFL you have to have an aspect or two about you that are great.He may have a year or two where he turns some heads but will most likely fall to the wayside to more talented rushers just as quick. (think Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns and Olandis Gary career path type)
EBF is right on the money on this one. You're letting highlights of some of the running plays he made on ESPN dictate your judgement on him. If you don't think Percy is a great WR, when playing WR and running NFL style WR routes, then you haven't really watched him play. You're letting the fact that he's so good with the ball in his hands that Florida decided he'd do a better job getting a handoff than even their elite RB recruits would cloud your judgement.It's too bad that Florida doesn't have a RB as good with the ball as Harvin is so sportscenter would show you more highlights of his 40 yard TD receptions rather than the 60 yard TD runs that overshadow them.
I've seen at least 50% of his games over the past 2 seasons. I'm not basing anything on highlight reels.Doesn't mean i'm right, but my evaluation has nothing to do with youtube clips.
What NFL style WR routes has Harvin shown he can run? I've watched at least half of the Florida games and I've failed to see this. EBF tried to site some but they were simple quick slants with no disruption at the LOS and again it was more of a tremendous athlete making great plays with the ball in his hands. I think ILUVBEER99 is right on the money here and you guys are the ones who are seeing what you want to see. The offense at Florida just doesn't allow him to show NFL-style WR skills IMO. That doesn't mean he doesn't have them or can't learn them. We are just saying he will be a bit of a project. The best comparison for Harvin as a prospect is Hester IMO.
Wasn't the OKLA D ranked like 65th?
FWIW, I've always contested that I love Harvin as a prospect and as a player. I just struggle to get high on him as a fantasy player because I think he will struggle to find an "identity" in the NFL. I'd love for me Steelers to draft him, but not so sure I'd love to be drafting him personally if that makes sense.
What NFL style routes hasn't he run? A deep out is the only one I can think of. You mentioned slants already, he's run a bevy of deep ins (basically the money route in the NFL). Last night when UF went 5-wide OU tried to rush 6 and man up the other 5 at first. It didn't take long for Percy to come off the bump, catch a shallow cross and turn it into a 17 yard gain before OU had to back off that gameplan.He ran corners early on in his career, though they haven't run many this year. No one can cover him on a post, and if Tebow hadn't missed when he burnt the DB by 6 yards on the 3rd to last play of that Ole Miss game then Florida would have just finished an undefeated season. And he has absolutely torched players on streaks and hitch and go's (again, seen last night on that first drive of the second half where Tebow overthrew him on what would've been a 70 yard TD).Granted, he doesn't do it as much as other guys because of the style of offense that they've run, but he's done it enough to convince me. Not to mention, that's probably the easiest thing for a WR to learn. His ball skills are probably the most underrated out there because he's so fast that guys usually aren't close enough to him to show how well he plays the ball with a defender right on him, but when they're there he does it as naturally as anyone coming out this year.We're just seeing different things I guess. Not the first time two people on this board have, and only time will tell.I do think that Harvin is a bit of a risk because he always seems to be dinged up, and it's always his legs that are dinged, which doesn't work well for a speed WR. Even if he ends up working out well in the pros, I could see him being a bit of a fantasy headache as the guy who plays well for 4 weeks, then tweaks an ankle, sits out two weeks and then rushes back only to play gimpy for 4 more weeks and be unproductive while the ankle continues to heal up.
I don't think Ginn and Harvin have much in common aside from speed.Ginn is a lanky long strider with built up speed. In terms of body type and playing style, he's a lot closer to Troy Williamson than he is to Percy Harvin (but with much better hands). Long, loping stride and a very thin frame. He might have the best top speed of any WR in the NFL, but his game is pure speed and he really isn't built to operate in the short area. Harvin is thicker with shorter legs and a smoother stride. I think he has a lot more potential as a route runner. When I watch him play, I don't see Ted Ginn at all. I see traces of Eddie Royal and Santana Moss: shorter WRs who have the lateral quickness and choppy steps to run all the underneath routes with precision.
I did not know they even had that degree.
The next Reggie Bush?
