Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
The more Rotoworld calls him an H-Back or other ridiculous things, the easier it will be to acquire the guy. Keep up the good work rotoworld!
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Dynasty and Redraft: David Johnson Saints (1 Viewer)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Doesn't that make him the 5th back? I see 4 names in front of him up there. Apparently being able to count is overrated in fantasy analysis.
Faust
MVP
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Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
He's exactly like Ellington, only 3 inches taller, 25 lbs heavier, better hands, speed, and agility numbers. Oh and he's just like Dorin Dickerson too, if Dickerson had been a RB who put up 1400+, 1600+ and 2000+ total yds and 51 TDs over his last three years in college...... Oh he's also just like a pass catching FB. This is a strange time of the year.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Obviously this is the "silly season" time for fantasy enthusiasts like many of us here.
The coach speak and bull#### is so abundant, you have to take most everything with a grain of salt.
But combing through most of it, and just being "aware", well you can pick up a nugget or two here and there that may help you later on in the season.
The one thing I have found out about this "David Johnson talk", is no matter how you perceive it, he apparently is well liked by the team.
The one thing this absolutely screams to me, is this is one of the 2015 must handcuff scenarios as far as I'm concerned.
I am fairly high on Ellington, and while I might not be getting him as my RB1 anywhere, I will undoubtedly get him somewhere in a league or two.
I'm absolutely certain I will be handcuffing him with Johnson too.
Every season, there seems to be 3 or 4 scenarios where I think its mandatory to handcuff. (some work out, and some don't)
But this certainly seems like a scenario where I want to have that insurance, and its not like Arians and his cohorts don't mind feeding the RB plenty of work here and there.
I don't think I want any part of Stepfan Taylor or Kerwynn Williams, but protecting yourself with Johnson should be a no brainer. (especially since you can get him for almost nothing at this point, round 12 or later)
TZM
The coach speak and bull#### is so abundant, you have to take most everything with a grain of salt.
But combing through most of it, and just being "aware", well you can pick up a nugget or two here and there that may help you later on in the season.
The one thing I have found out about this "David Johnson talk", is no matter how you perceive it, he apparently is well liked by the team.
The one thing this absolutely screams to me, is this is one of the 2015 must handcuff scenarios as far as I'm concerned.
I am fairly high on Ellington, and while I might not be getting him as my RB1 anywhere, I will undoubtedly get him somewhere in a league or two.
I'm absolutely certain I will be handcuffing him with Johnson too.
Every season, there seems to be 3 or 4 scenarios where I think its mandatory to handcuff. (some work out, and some don't)
But this certainly seems like a scenario where I want to have that insurance, and its not like Arians and his cohorts don't mind feeding the RB plenty of work here and there.
I don't think I want any part of Stepfan Taylor or Kerwynn Williams, but protecting yourself with Johnson should be a no brainer. (especially since you can get him for almost nothing at this point, round 12 or later)
TZM
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
This guy was above average against South Dakota. I'm sure the NFL will be a breeze. He had a good combine.Rookie_Whisperer said:
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Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
And Andre Ellington went 15 for 61yds against Wake Forest in 2012, 15 for 72 against SC, and 15 for 59 against Furman. What is not to love? Maybe you love his career YPC? I'm not saying Johnson is a "can't miss" prospect, but he is certainly the best RB on that roster and it isn't close.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Andre Ellington
Clemson (Division 1-A)
2009 14 games 68 rushing attempts 491 yards 7.2ypc 4TD 11 rec 55 yards
2010 9 games 118 rushing attempts 686 yards 5.8ypc 10TD 12 rec 109 yards 1TD
2011 13 games 223 rushing attempts 1178 yards 5.3ypc 11TD 22 rec 109 yards
2012 12 games 212 rushing attempts 1081 yards 5.1ypc 8TD 14 rec 232 yards 1TD
Total 48 games 621 rushing attempts 3436 yards 5.5ypc 33TD 59 rec 505 yards 8.6ypc 2TD
Combine
5'9"
199 lbs
40 yard dash 4.49 4.59 4.7
Projected round 3
Bench
Vertical jump 34"
Broad Jump 10' 2"
20 yard shuttle
3 cone no full workout, hamstring on 1st 40 run
2015 NFL draft 6th round 187th pick 17th RB selected
NFL performance
2013 15 games 1 start 118 rushing attempts 652 yards 3TD 5.5ypc 57 targets 39 rec 371 yards 9.5ypc 1TD
2014 12 games 12 start 201 rushing attempts 660 yards 3TD 3.3ypc 64 targets 46 rec 395 yards 8.6ypc 2TD
Total 27 games 319 rushing attempts 1312 yards 6TD 4.1ypc 121 targets 85 rec 766 yards 9ypc 3TD
David Johnson
Northern Iowa (Division 1-AA)
2011 13 games 179 rushing attempts 822 yards 4.6ypc 9TD 33 rec 422 yards 3TD
2012 11 games 178 rushing attempts 1021 yards 5.7ypc 13TD 32 rec 383 yards 5TD
2013 11 games 222 rushing attempts 1286 yards 5.8ypc 10TD 38 rec 393 yards 4TD
2014 14 games 287 rushing attempts 1553 yards 5.4ypc 17TD 38 rec 536 yards 2TD
Total 49 games 866 rushing attempts 4682 yards 5.4ypc 49TD 141 rec 1734 yards 12.3ypc 14TD
Combine
6'1"
224 lbs
40 yard dash 4.3 4.4 4.51
Projected round 2-3
Bench 25
Vertical jump 41.5"
Broad Jump 10' 7"
20 yard shuttle 4.27
3 cone 6.82
2015 NFL draft 3rd round 86th pick 7th RB selected
Clemson (Division 1-A)
2009 14 games 68 rushing attempts 491 yards 7.2ypc 4TD 11 rec 55 yards
2010 9 games 118 rushing attempts 686 yards 5.8ypc 10TD 12 rec 109 yards 1TD
2011 13 games 223 rushing attempts 1178 yards 5.3ypc 11TD 22 rec 109 yards
2012 12 games 212 rushing attempts 1081 yards 5.1ypc 8TD 14 rec 232 yards 1TD
Total 48 games 621 rushing attempts 3436 yards 5.5ypc 33TD 59 rec 505 yards 8.6ypc 2TD
Combine
5'9"
199 lbs
40 yard dash 4.49 4.59 4.7
Projected round 3
Bench
Vertical jump 34"
Broad Jump 10' 2"
20 yard shuttle
3 cone no full workout, hamstring on 1st 40 run
2015 NFL draft 6th round 187th pick 17th RB selected
NFL performance
2013 15 games 1 start 118 rushing attempts 652 yards 3TD 5.5ypc 57 targets 39 rec 371 yards 9.5ypc 1TD
2014 12 games 12 start 201 rushing attempts 660 yards 3TD 3.3ypc 64 targets 46 rec 395 yards 8.6ypc 2TD
Total 27 games 319 rushing attempts 1312 yards 6TD 4.1ypc 121 targets 85 rec 766 yards 9ypc 3TD
David Johnson
Northern Iowa (Division 1-AA)
2011 13 games 179 rushing attempts 822 yards 4.6ypc 9TD 33 rec 422 yards 3TD
2012 11 games 178 rushing attempts 1021 yards 5.7ypc 13TD 32 rec 383 yards 5TD
2013 11 games 222 rushing attempts 1286 yards 5.8ypc 10TD 38 rec 393 yards 4TD
2014 14 games 287 rushing attempts 1553 yards 5.4ypc 17TD 38 rec 536 yards 2TD
Total 49 games 866 rushing attempts 4682 yards 5.4ypc 49TD 141 rec 1734 yards 12.3ypc 14TD
Combine
6'1"
224 lbs
40 yard dash 4.3 4.4 4.51
Projected round 2-3
Bench 25
Vertical jump 41.5"
Broad Jump 10' 7"
20 yard shuttle 4.27
3 cone 6.82
2015 NFL draft 3rd round 86th pick 7th RB selected
Faust
MVP
D.J. Humphries overcomes slow start to offseason workouts:
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/14570/d-j-humphries-overcomes-slow-start-to-offseason-workouts
Excerpt:
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/14570/d-j-humphries-overcomes-slow-start-to-offseason-workouts
Excerpt:
Noah Davis
Footballguy
In most Dynasty drafts I've done the choice is between David Cobb or David Johnson. Where I had 2nd round picks I went Cobb due to situation. My leagues are 4 year rookie salary cap contacts though.
loose circuits
Footballguy
I like his feet and think he will develop into a decent inside runner. From what I saw on tape, he showed potential
Juzaba
Footballguy
Last year I pegged Bradshaw to be good late value, and this year Johnson is giving me the same vibes. Arizona's run game should be better this year, especially because of Iupati. I don't feel like Ellington has a vice-like grip on this job, especially because Taylor became something of a goal line guy last year.
Also, the Cards this year kinda feel a lot like the Saints offenses from a few years ago. They've got big bodied sure hands guy over the middle (Fitz/Graham), some deep speed from non-dominant players (Brown/Morgan), and a lack of ground-pounding RB production. Palmer is no Brees, but he's saavy and accurate and isn't afraid to toss a deep bomb. Therefore, I expect this offense to produce by throwing to the RB.
David Johnson is a very competent pass-catcher.
Ellington is too, obviously. But I expect Johnson to play a major role in that portion of the offense. And by that I mean a guy who will be a matchup-dependent RB2 with injury upside that you can get in round 12+.
Also, the Cards this year kinda feel a lot like the Saints offenses from a few years ago. They've got big bodied sure hands guy over the middle (Fitz/Graham), some deep speed from non-dominant players (Brown/Morgan), and a lack of ground-pounding RB production. Palmer is no Brees, but he's saavy and accurate and isn't afraid to toss a deep bomb. Therefore, I expect this offense to produce by throwing to the RB.
David Johnson is a very competent pass-catcher.
Ellington is too, obviously. But I expect Johnson to play a major role in that portion of the offense. And by that I mean a guy who will be a matchup-dependent RB2 with injury upside that you can get in round 12+.
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Agree. With the addition of Iupati, Shipley, and Humphries, their OLine should be one of the most improved run blocking units in the league.
Fantasy Benchwarmer
Footballguy
Lets see if he can block. I love how ff players get a hard on every off season only to see their rookie sleeper to suck. Freeman last year is a clear example of what I am talking about. On this forum everyone was saying he was a can't miss player. He sucked last year.
Ellington is still the guy until he gets hurt. With Johnson there Ellington is going to be fresher and do more. He isn't going to be overworked and has looked great in offseason workouts. Johnson will get some carries and some receptions but Ellington is their guy this year.
Ellington is still the guy until he gets hurt. With Johnson there Ellington is going to be fresher and do more. He isn't going to be overworked and has looked great in offseason workouts. Johnson will get some carries and some receptions but Ellington is their guy this year.
Fireinside
Footballguy
Well, I must admit, I was high on Freeman last year. And for the same reasons as I'm high on Johnson this year, the guys in front of him aren't that good.
What separates this Johnson from Freeman is that he was drafted to be the Ellington II. Arians wanted a guy like Ellington, maybe better.
I still have no *ucking clue what Smith was thinking in Atlanta when he drafted Freeman. I thought he was a sure bet to get some carries and contribute
and third downs, but Smith never gave Freeman a chance... maybe he just wanted to get fired.
lod01
Footballguy
There was nothing wrong with Freeman. The hammerhead at HC was the problem and he finally got fired for incompetence. Inferior RBs were played ahead of him. Now the problem is RBBC.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Wait what? Best in this class?Well sure, technically any of the RBs in this class has a shot at being the best. In Johnson's case it is a long shot though
mlball77
Footballguy
I think the bolded is a fair point. Admittedly, I'm on board the David Johnson train, but he won't see the field nearly as much if he isn't a decent blocker. -Of note, I did a quick search to try to dig up analysis on Johnson's blocking ability and found very little. His great receiving ability and overall well-rounded, yet not spectacular, skills make me think he should be at least decent on the blocking front... but we won't know until he is thrown out there and tasked with picking up an NFL blitz.Fantasy Benchwarmer said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
From what I have read about Johnson is that he is a willing blocker who does pretty well when asked to help in pass protection. From what I have seen of him in this area seems average to me. He certainly needs to work on technique as all rookies do.
I don't consider his blocking to be a strength or a weakness. At the same time he didn't face a lot of good competition, so it is somewhat hard to evaluate.
His blocking ability is definitely overshadowed by what he can do as a receiver.
I don't consider his blocking to be a strength or a weakness. At the same time he didn't face a lot of good competition, so it is somewhat hard to evaluate.
His blocking ability is definitely overshadowed by what he can do as a receiver.
If you watch the three games of his plays that are available online, his blocking does appear inconsistent. His effort doesn't always seem to be there. Occasionally, he'll stay with a block throughout the play, but many times, he looked like he gave half the effort and barely slowed down the pass rusher.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Forte was an average athlete with good vision and instincts. Johnson is a workout warrior.
cstu
Footballguy
Gianluca
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Johnson needs to get the pads on and start practicing or he'll find himself w/o an offensive role. He's already got an uphill battle with the step up in competition.
Keeping Palmer healthy and protected is a lot more important than having David Johnson.
Keeping Palmer healthy and protected is a lot more important than having David Johnson.
5Rings
Lurker
Iupati was a weak link on the SF OL last year though he has become a name player to the casual fans ( non-fbgs). IF healthy he could help....but he's far from a sure thing.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Iupatis strength is run blocking.
PFF agrees with your "weak link" assessment as a pass blocker.
But as a run blocker he has been one of the 7 best guards (of 64) in 4 of 5 seasons and his other graded out at 12th overall. Twice he has #2, including last year.
Fireinside
Footballguy
Agreed! It's been frustrating as David would have gotten chance to show his worth while Ellington was missing time too.
It's not like his talents have gone anywhere, but the injury is really working against him if he wants to get some carries this year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Another Johnson might be entering the picture.
Cards kicking the tires on RB Chris Johnson.
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Dianna Marie Russini @diannaESPN 1h1 hour ago
The Cardinals are pursuing RB Chris Johnson. They have offered him a 1 year deal per sources. Stay tuned to see if he says yes. #Cardinals
Cards kicking the tires on RB Chris Johnson.
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Dianna Marie Russini @diannaESPN 1h1 hour ago
The Cardinals are pursuing RB Chris Johnson. They have offered him a 1 year deal per sources. Stay tuned to see if he says yes. #Cardinals
Football Jones
Footballguy
Bad timing on the injury. You have to love this kid's talent, though. Ellington is mediocre. Chris Johnson is over the hill, but might buy them some time until David Johnson can get healthy & get rolling.
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mlball77
Footballguy
Super bummer as a David Johnson dynasty owner. It seems as though he was brought in to be a bigger (and hopefully more durable) version of Ellington. And he is starting off his career dinged up, missing valuable time right now...
Still early for the youngster, but not an ideal start.
Still early for the youngster, but not an ideal start.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
No one amongst Ellington/Johnson. Fairly certain Johnson isn't PUP eligible.Johnson just wouldn't start the year as the #2 (which he was pretty much gift wrapped the role if they could just see him in pads) Likely would have to make his mark on special teams or be an inactive. W/o being in pads for the foreseeable future hard to see him being any factor early on in season.scothawk said:
Arians isn't please with Kerwynn Williams (fumbles), Stephan Taylor (slowest RB in NFL today), Grice or any other RBs. Most/all won't make the team if Johnson (or another RB) is signed. Arians may it a point at his presser yesterday he was very displeased with his recent RB performances.
