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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (4 Viewers)

I got Enunwa in a couple leagues during the 2016 season for the price of a random 2nd round rookie pick when I needed a body at WR. I think he's a decent player. Nothing more. What's nice about him is that NYJ rolled out the red carpet and gave him massive target volume in week one even though he's barely back from injury. It suggests they clearly view him as their top dog at WR, and we saw another good performance in week 2. I see him as a better value in redraft than in dynasty, where I might look to cash in after the season if he finishes with strong numbers. In the mean time, enjoy the ride. The Jets are going to throw the ball and their other guys aren't great. He can finish top 15-20 in PPR by sheer volume alone if he stays healthy, with a play style/talent level that might be similar to Jerricho Cotchery when he was at his peak on the Jets about 10 years ago.

 
Put an offer out for Golladay (keep in 14th) and Powell, Cohen or Hyde (don’t really care who they are filler) for Landry and Henry. Really wish Henry had shown something in the first two to make this easier. 

If that falls through considering Landry/Henry for Godwin (keep in 26th) and Dion Lewis.

Trying to lock down a young receiver for a few years. 

 
Keelan Cole has to have taken a big leap this week between the highlight catch and the big day vs the Patriots.  He has to be in at least late 1st round rookie pick territory

 
Put an offer out for Golladay (keep in 14th) and Powell, Cohen or Hyde (don’t really care who they are filler) for Landry and Henry. Really wish Henry had shown something in the first two to make this easier. 

If that falls through considering Landry/Henry for Godwin (keep in 26th) and Dion Lewis.

Trying to lock down a young receiver for a few years. 
I’d personally prefer the Landry side. As soon as Mayfield starts he’s going to put up some big numbers. It will likely cost a guy like Landry to land Golladay right now, but I wouldn’t do it. 

 
Even considering long term? Landry would be for just this year. 
Is it a salary cap league?  That would certainly change things. I don’t play the format, so can’t offer much insight. But in a vacuum, I still think Landry is he more valuable asset and is likely to benefit from the inevitable change at QB.

 
Is it a salary cap league?  That would certainly change things. I don’t play the format, so can’t offer much insight. But in a vacuum, I still think Landry is he more valuable asset and is likely to benefit from the inevitable change at QB.
We have a unique set up where we are allowed to keep up to 4 players 3 rounds up from where they were drafted the previous year. Landry was drafted in the 4th so he has no keeper potential but Golladay I could potentially hold for a few years (17 next year > 14 > 11 etc). I have Kamara, Howard and M Thomas right now so looking for another wideout to keep. 

 
Thoughts on the short term/long term dynasty value of Julio vs AJG? 

Preseason it seemed most were very down on AJG, has that flipped? Is he the more valuable dynasty WR long term?

 
I think Julio has always had a higher ceiling than Green. That hasn't changed for me.

Green may age a bit better with his play style, but on the other hand Julio is such an elite athlete that he can lose a lot and still be viable.

All things considered, I'd rather have Julio since I think he's more likely to be a short-term difference-maker, even if he might fall off sooner.

 
How are people viewing Eifert?  I'm in a couple FFPC leagues, and the TE premium makes me want to hang on to him, but he's making it difficult when there's waiver wire adds I want and he's constantly on a pitch count.  Is he worth holding now that he's essentially #4 (Green, Mixon, Boyd, then Eifert) on that offense vs #2 like when he was the dominant TE from a few years ago.  

 
What do you guys think of offering Drake and Landry for Cook/Latavius and Penny? This would hurt my lineup in the short term, as both Drake and Landry are starters. I'd have to start Allison or Godwin in place of Landry. But I can manage to work that out. It's really about if Cook is that much better than Drake, and if Penny will eventually pan out.

 
Is anyone trading for RoJo? I wasn’t big on him but after reminding myself what he can do with some USC clips I’m wondering if he doesn’t start to take over that backfield soon. Should be had on the cheap right now. 

 
What do you guys think of offering Drake and Landry for Cook/Latavius and Penny? This would hurt my lineup in the short term, as both Drake and Landry are starters. I'd have to start Allison or Godwin in place of Landry. But I can manage to work that out. It's really about if Cook is that much better than Drake, and if Penny will eventually pan out.
As an owner of Cooks, Murray, and Penny in a PPR Dynasty league I’d need more than Drake and Landry to move them. 

 
What do you guys think of offering Drake and Landry for Cook/Latavius and Penny? This would hurt my lineup in the short term, as both Drake and Landry are starters. I'd have to start Allison or Godwin in place of Landry. But I can manage to work that out. It's really about if Cook is that much better than Drake, and if Penny will eventually pan out.
You’re trying to get Dalvin Cook, Latavius AND Penny for Drake and Landry?

I wouldn’t sell Cook alone for those two. 

 
Is anyone trading for RoJo? I wasn’t big on him but after reminding myself what he can do with some USC clips I’m wondering if he doesn’t start to take over that backfield soon. Should be had on the cheap right now. 
Not for any more than a future 2nd. Highly touted rookie who is a healthy scratch is a giant red flag for me. 

 
How are people viewing Eifert?  I'm in a couple FFPC leagues, and the TE premium makes me want to hang on to him, but he's making it difficult when there's waiver wire adds I want and he's constantly on a pitch count.  Is he worth holding now that he's essentially #4 (Green, Mixon, Boyd, then Eifert) on that offense vs #2 like when he was the dominant TE from a few years ago.  
TE premium means you may be able to sell him for more than he’s worth as soon as he scores a TD. It’s over. 

 
Is anyone trading for RoJo? I wasn’t big on him but after reminding myself what he can do with some USC clips I’m wondering if he doesn’t start to take over that backfield soon. Should be had on the cheap right now. 
There were a couple recent ones I saw in the trades thread.  I myself completed one of Hooper for RoJo straight up in FFPC.  

 
How are people viewing Eifert?  I'm in a couple FFPC leagues, and the TE premium makes me want to hang on to him, but he's making it difficult when there's waiver wire adds I want and he's constantly on a pitch count.  Is he worth holding now that he's essentially #4 (Green, Mixon, Boyd, then Eifert) on that offense vs #2 like when he was the dominant TE from a few years ago.  
How much is the TE premium? 1.5ppr or 2ppr? Either way, I think you gotta hold. It looks like they were easing him back in. His snaps increased from 22 to 49 from week 1 to 2. 

 
How much is the TE premium? 1.5ppr or 2ppr? Either way, I think you gotta hold. It looks like they were easing him back in. His snaps increased from 22 to 49 from week 1 to 2. 
it's 1.5ppr for TE's 1 for everyone else in FFPC.  I'm totally with you that they're slowly working him in more and more, but he isn't nearly as involved as he was with prior teams, so how valuable is he even if he returns to form? 

 
it's 1.5ppr for TE's 1 for everyone else in FFPC.  I'm totally with you that they're slowly working him in more and more, but he isn't nearly as involved as he was with prior teams, so how valuable is he even if he returns to form? 
From a snaps standpoint he's only played 1.5 games, so I would advise against extrapolating his usage for the rest of the year based on that. Also, he likely would've scored a 12-yard TD last week if not for a pass interference in the end zone. 3-35-1 is a lot better than 2-23-0. He's been on my bench, but I think he'll be startable soon. 

 
From a snaps standpoint he's only played 1.5 games, so I would advise against extrapolating his usage for the rest of the year based on that
Bengals brass were pretty adamant that they were going to severely limit his usage this year.  He's basically only a red zone target at this point, and is fighting for red zone looks with some people who are healthier and more talented.

 
Bengals brass were pretty adamant that they were going to severely limit his usage this year.  He's basically only a red zone target at this point, and is fighting for red zone looks with some people who are healthier and more talented.
They specifically said they wanted to keep him under 50 snaps and he played 49 last week. As discussed in the Eifert thread, 50 snaps is not really that limiting and definitely not "severely" limiting. For reference, Delanie Walker (4) and Jimmy Graham (6) averaged 46 snaps per game last year. Kelce (2) averaged 58. Of course Gronk (1) averaged 65 but he's an excellent blocker.

Outside of AJ Green, who are you referring to? In no universe would anyone consider Ross or Boyd better red zone options than Eifert. 

 
FF Ninja said:
They specifically said they wanted to keep him under 50 snaps and he played 49 last week. As discussed in the Eifert thread, 50 snaps is not really that limiting and definitely not "severely" limiting. For reference, Delanie Walker (4) and Jimmy Graham (6) averaged 46 snaps per game last year. Kelce (2) averaged 58. Of course Gronk (1) averaged 65 but he's an excellent blocker.

Outside of AJ Green, who are you referring to? In no universe would anyone consider Ross or Boyd better red zone options than Eifert. 
Joe Mixon.  Yes, he's out for this week but he's going to be the #1 or 2 target in almost all situations.

 
Joe Mixon.  Yes, he's out for this week but he's going to be the #1 or 2 target in almost all situations.
Oh c'mon. That's just silly. Anybody playing out of the backfield is automatically NOT a top red zone target. And no matter how good of a receiver you might think Mixon is, he's not as good of a receiver as Eifert, he's not as big as Eifert, and he's not lined up in nearly as good of a position for the red zone as a TE.

 
Oh c'mon. That's just silly. Anybody playing out of the backfield is automatically NOT a top red zone target. And no matter how good of a receiver you might think Mixon is, he's not as good of a receiver as Eifert, he's not as big as Eifert, and he's not lined up in nearly as good of a position for the red zone as a TE.
My bad, I shouldn't have said "targets".  I really meant touches.  You have to admit he's at least #3 in touches in the red zone, right?

 
My bad, I shouldn't have said "targets".  I really meant touches.  You have to admit he's at least #3 in touches in the red zone, right?
Sure, but FWIW, he's been neck-and-neck with AJ Green in the past in red zone targets. On a per-game basis, he's probably a little higher than AJ Green.

In 21 games he had 26 targets in the red zone. During that span, AJG played 26 games and had 30 targets. 

 
I meant to expound on the question but realized it’s too obtuse to answer. Our league is quasi unique in that we have a practice squad. If a player doesn’t make your active roster all year you can keep him next year in the same round. I drafted Guice in the 11th for that reason and was trying to remember how far I let him fall before grabbing him. 

 
This rookie RB class that looked so promising on paper has been pretty underwhelming so far.

I feel good about Barkley despite the Giants being a mess. He looks legit. 

Chubb has shown enough to inspire moderate long-term confidence, but has no clear path to the starting job yet.

Guice got hurt. Redshirt year for him.

There's a good case for a downgrade on Jones, Penny, Michel, and Freeman. They haven't really flashed much, if anything.

Edmonds, Wilkins, C Warren, and Lindsey have shown some promise for the flyer crowd.

Way too early to reach firm conclusions, but collectively this group hasn't lived up to expectations so far.

 
Too early to say much about QB/WR/TE since those tend to be more late bloomer positions than RB, but I feel like Mayfield and DJ Moore look like strong talents in limited action so far. I feel good about those picks in leagues where I took those guys.

I thought Gallup had a chance at instant impact in Dallas, but he's been quiet.

Andrews looks like a quality find for Baltimore and Hurst flashed nice potential before he got hurt.

If these rookie RBs continue to underwhelm, the QB/WR/TE picks are going to look wiser in hindsight, as most fell pretty deep in rookie drafts.

 
Price check on a few guys who I think may be in a buy or sell window, but could break either way.

Mixon (buy) - has his price dipped enough where we can buy him for a discount, or were the early season positives keeping his value in the 2nd round of startups?

Cook (buy) - disappointing in the running game especially and hurt, much like Mixon.  Has his current value taken a hit or is he holding steady as a late 1st/early 2nd startup pick.

Keelan Cole (neutral) - has his value risen to a sell point, or hold for more increases in value?

Geronimo Allison (neutral) - looks like a top 3 option in the GB passing game.  Sell now/soon, or wait for a bigger role?  Cobb probably gone next year unless he restructures his deal.

Devonta Freeman (sell) - hurt now, but is his value still high enough when he comes back that you can potentially trade Freeman plus something smallish for Mixon or Cook?  Freeman does not look the same from what I've seen, his quickness, agility and burst seem much slower than in the past.  Where is his trademark super quick spin move?

 
Price check on a few guys who I think may be in a buy or sell window, but could break either way.

Mixon (buy) - has his price dipped enough where we can buy him for a discount, or were the early season positives keeping his value in the 2nd round of startups?

Cook (buy) - disappointing in the running game especially and hurt, much like Mixon.  Has his current value taken a hit or is he holding steady as a late 1st/early 2nd startup pick.

Keelan Cole (neutral) - has his value risen to a sell point, or hold for more increases in value?

Geronimo Allison (neutral) - looks like a top 3 option in the GB passing game.  Sell now/soon, or wait for a bigger role?  Cobb probably gone next year unless he restructures his deal.

Devonta Freeman (sell) - hurt now, but is his value still high enough when he comes back that you can potentially trade Freeman plus something smallish for Mixon or Cook?  Freeman does not look the same from what I've seen, his quickness, agility and burst seem much slower than in the past.  Where is his trademark super quick spin move?
Only a fool is selling Mixon right now in dynasty, IMO. He looked very good in the first two games. Given that owners tend to be higher than average on their players (since they drafted them in the first place and have ego attachment), I just don't see Mixon being a realistic buy low candidate. Personally, I wouldn't sell for anyone outside the top ~10 startup candidates, so you wouldn't be getting him cheap from me. Then again, I've always been a Mixon bull. I believe he's a better back than Fournette, Hunt, and Cook from his draft class.

I have Cook in one league and I'd be more open to moving him. He's ranked as the 17th overall player here and that feels like it's near his absolute value ceiling, as I don't really see him becoming the super tier Gurley/Zeke/Bell type of back. He's not a big guy and has already had some injury issues, though it's admittedly a small sample size. I lean towards him being a light sell at his current market price. I don't think he will ever be worth much more than what he's worth now. There are players ranked in his range on that list that I would rather have if I could actually make any of those deals (I prefer Mixon, Hill, and JuJu over Cook).

Both of those backs are already valued quite highly, but I personally think Cook is already valued at his ceiling whereas Mixon has potential to push on and become a top 5 overall type of player. That's why I lean towards Cook being a sell and Mixon being a buy/hold even though both players seem similar on paper, with a short track record of mixed results and a high dynasty value.

Freeman isn't a player I've ever owned or tried to acquire, so I have less to say about him. As a Cook and Mixon owner, I would not move either for Freeman. Freeman has multiple strong seasons under his belt, but has never looked like a guy with a great ceiling. I doubt you could get a great player straight up for him. On the other hand, there aren't a lot of backs ranked behind him who I'd clearly rather have. I would consider Chubb, Drake, Guice, and maybe even D Henry depending on roster composition and goals.

Those WRs don't seem like anything other than waiver pickups to me. I wouldn't spend any actual resources on them.

 
I got Mixon in two leagues recently...

16 tm, ppr

gave - Conner/Kerryon

got - Mixon/Gallup

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12 tm bestball, ppr

gave - Conner/Cole

got - Mixon

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I would toss some feelers out to contenders with Mixon and see if the bite. 

 
Recently turned down Cook and 2019 2nd for my Mixon. I prefer Mixon and the 2nd, probably late, isn't enough to entice me to move him.

 
Price check on a few guys who I think may be in a buy or sell window, but could break either way.

Mixon (buy) - has his price dipped enough where we can buy him for a discount, or were the early season positives keeping his value in the 2nd round of startups?

Cook (buy) - disappointing in the running game especially and hurt, much like Mixon.  Has his current value taken a hit or is he holding steady as a late 1st/early 2nd startup pick.

Keelan Cole (neutral) - has his value risen to a sell point, or hold for more increases in value?

Geronimo Allison (neutral) - looks like a top 3 option in the GB passing game.  Sell now/soon, or wait for a bigger role?  Cobb probably gone next year unless he restructures his deal.

Devonta Freeman (sell) - hurt now, but is his value still high enough when he comes back that you can potentially trade Freeman plus something smallish for Mixon or Cook?  Freeman does not look the same from what I've seen, his quickness, agility and burst seem much slower than in the past.  Where is his trademark super quick spin move?
I don't think I agree with a lot of the descriptions.  Mixon's value is way up from the start of the year.  He looked good before getting hurt, and the injury is short term and I don't think it really affected his value at all.

Cook's value hasn't dipped at all either.

Freeman's vaue is in the toilet.  Way moreso than it probably should be.

 
I don't think I agree with a lot of the descriptions.  Mixon's value is way up from the start of the year.  He looked good before getting hurt, and the injury is short term and I don't think it really affected his value at all.

Cook's value hasn't dipped at all either.

Freeman's vaue is in the toilet.  Way moreso than it probably should be.
So is Freeman more of a buy at this point?

 
Where do people view Amari Cooper?  It's probably a wide range from people who still believe, and people who just want to give up on him.  I've tried to send out a bunch of offers, it just seems that nobody wants to buy.  He likely needs a good week to even retain a little bit of value, but what value is that?  I know I wouldn't buy for a early-mid 1st, but maybe late if the situation is right.  How is everyone else feeling?  

 

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