Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (18 Viewers)

[acarey50]

Well, looking at some recent Post-NFL Draft Mocks are still a bit scattered. (I am referencing 1QB PPR considerations)

After 1.01 Bijan & 1.02-1.03 Gibbs, Running Backs are confusing and almost random perspective.

Sea Zach Charbonnet - Good Draft capital & RB size but sharing with KW3 is a rough intro to NFL. Pete said "competition" to start so hard to gauge his slot
NOS Kendre Miller - Kamara & Jamaal situations offer opportunity but marginal capital
Mia Devon Achane - good landing spot but small speedy back, crowded backfield for 1 year
Jax Tank Bigsby - clear RBBC situation on rising Jax offense

Draft Range / Average (comments)
Zach Charbonnet: 1.06 to 2.01 / 1.09 (or if Handcuff to KW3 higher might be required)
Kendre Miller: 1.08 to 2.03 / 1.11 (Kamara suspension influential to value in 2023)
Devon Achane: 1.06 to 2.10 / 2.04 (speed & space utility in Miami gives diverse value)
Tank Bigsby: 1.11 to 3.02 / 2.07 (potential GL value)

Self-serving idea here is that I have 1.07 & 1.08 picks... rebuild and need a RB1 option for 2024 and beyond

Ya'll ignored my initial post (pay attention to me) but this is exactly what I mean when I say pick 1.4 is the worst value in this draft.

I dunno - I have Anthony Richardson pretty well locked in after Bijan, Gibbs, & JSN in 1 QB leagues. The floor/upside for his projected rushing at the position is too great to ignore.

What sort of offer would it take for you to drop from the 1.02 to the 1.04 in a 1 QB league?

In a 14 teamer I’m in, the 1.02 got the 1.04 and a 2024 1st and 4th

I’m in a 16 teamer in the position of having the 1.02 with interest from a few owners in the 1.04-1.07 range - trying to gauge what point it’s worth moving down, and if the deal that went down in the 14 teamer is a realistic expectation

 

[wgoldsph]

Well, looking at some recent Post-NFL Draft Mocks are still a bit scattered. (I am referencing 1QB PPR considerations)

After 1.01 Bijan & 1.02-1.03 Gibbs, Running Backs are confusing and almost random perspective.

Sea Zach Charbonnet - Good Draft capital & RB size but sharing with KW3 is a rough intro to NFL. Pete said "competition" to start so hard to gauge his slot
NOS Kendre Miller - Kamara & Jamaal situations offer opportunity but marginal capital
Mia Devon Achane - good landing spot but small speedy back, crowded backfield for 1 year
Jax Tank Bigsby - clear RBBC situation on rising Jax offense

Draft Range / Average (comments)
Zach Charbonnet: 1.06 to 2.01 / 1.09 (or if Handcuff to KW3 higher might be required)
Kendre Miller: 1.08 to 2.03 / 1.11 (Kamara suspension influential to value in 2023)
Devon Achane: 1.06 to 2.10 / 2.04 (speed & space utility in Miami gives diverse value)
Tank Bigsby: 1.11 to 3.02 / 2.07 (potential GL value)

Self-serving idea here is that I have 1.07 & 1.08 picks... rebuild and need a RB1 option for 2024 and beyond

Ya'll ignored my initial post (pay attention to me) but this is exactly what I mean when I say pick 1.4 is the worst value in this draft.

I dunno - I have Anthony Richardson pretty well locked in after Bijan, Gibbs, & JSN in 1 QB leagues. The floor/upside for his projected rushing at the position is too great to ignore.

Then why not Kincaid? We've seen in years past how a Kelce level te will almost double the amount of points you get at a single position you're forced to start over your opponent on a weekly basis. Avg qb1 will still score 80-90% of what you get from Richardson.

 

[wgoldsph]

Well, looking at some recent Post-NFL Draft Mocks are still a bit scattered. (I am referencing 1QB PPR considerations)

After 1.01 Bijan & 1.02-1.03 Gibbs, Running Backs are confusing and almost random perspective.

Sea Zach Charbonnet - Good Draft capital & RB size but sharing with KW3 is a rough intro to NFL. Pete said "competition" to start so hard to gauge his slot
NOS Kendre Miller - Kamara & Jamaal situations offer opportunity but marginal capital
Mia Devon Achane - good landing spot but small speedy back, crowded backfield for 1 year
Jax Tank Bigsby - clear RBBC situation on rising Jax offense

Draft Range / Average (comments)
Zach Charbonnet: 1.06 to 2.01 / 1.09 (or if Handcuff to KW3 higher might be required)
Kendre Miller: 1.08 to 2.03 / 1.11 (Kamara suspension influential to value in 2023)
Devon Achane: 1.06 to 2.10 / 2.04 (speed & space utility in Miami gives diverse value)
Tank Bigsby: 1.11 to 3.02 / 2.07 (potential GL value)

Self-serving idea here is that I have 1.07 & 1.08 picks... rebuild and need a RB1 option for 2024 and beyond

Ya'll ignored my initial post (pay attention to me) but this is exactly what I mean when I say pick 1.4 is the worst value in this draft.

I dunno - I have Anthony Richardson pretty well locked in after Bijan, Gibbs, & JSN in 1 QB leagues. The floor/upside for his projected rushing at the position is too great to ignore.

What sort of offer would it take for you to drop from the 1.02 to the 1.04 in a 1 QB league?

In a 14 teamer I’m in, the 1.02 got the 1.04 and a 2024 1st and 4th

I’m in a 16 teamer in the position of having the 1.02 with interest from a few owners in the 1.04-1.07 range - trying to gauge what point it’s worth moving down, and if the deal that went down in the 14 teamer is a realistic expectation

As someone with the 4, I would do anything to move out of it. I would eat perceived value to move to 6/7 so I don't feel as bad going for Richardson/Kincaid. Might send the guy at 2 the 1.04 24 1st and 4th offer though, in hopes he's dazzled by extra picks.

 

[ghostguy123]

In a 1qb league I can't see any QB going #4.
I'd much rather trade down in some way shape or form than to go that route.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’d say he’s worth about what he was worth before the draft. McKinnon is going to cap his upside, and I still wouldn’t write off the Chiefs adding a free agent running back.

And if Minnesota does indeed cut Dalvin I could see KC making that move.

Even if the Chiefs only resign McKinnon, Pacheco is worth maybe a mid-second? He seems like a 10 to 15 point per game kind of running back. Mid floor, low ceiling. And even if the Chiefs don’t make a big move it running back this year, they could still bring something in mid season or next year.

What side are you on for this:

1.05 or Pacheco & 2.01

Sorry, what format? 1 QB?

That’s tough. I’d probably roll the dice with the 1.05, but it’s close.

Depends on team needs. The WR class isn’t great, but there are some potentially useful ones available at 1.05

 

[titusbramble]

In a 1qb league I can't see any QB going #4.
I'd much rather trade down in some way shape or form than to go that route.

Someone has to pick #4, if nobody likes Johnston/Addison then I'm certainly not going to say taking a QB is a bad pick

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well, looking at some recent Post-NFL Draft Mocks are still a bit scattered. (I am referencing 1QB PPR considerations)

After 1.01 Bijan & 1.02-1.03 Gibbs, Running Backs are confusing and almost random perspective.

Sea Zach Charbonnet - Good Draft capital & RB size but sharing with KW3 is a rough intro to NFL. Pete said "competition" to start so hard to gauge his slot
NOS Kendre Miller - Kamara & Jamaal situations offer opportunity but marginal capital
Mia Devon Achane - good landing spot but small speedy back, crowded backfield for 1 year
Jax Tank Bigsby - clear RBBC situation on rising Jax offense

Draft Range / Average (comments)
Zach Charbonnet: 1.06 to 2.01 / 1.09 (or if Handcuff to KW3 higher might be required)
Kendre Miller: 1.08 to 2.03 / 1.11 (Kamara suspension influential to value in 2023)
Devon Achane: 1.06 to 2.10 / 2.04 (speed & space utility in Miami gives diverse value)
Tank Bigsby: 1.11 to 3.02 / 2.07 (potential GL value)

Self-serving idea here is that I have 1.07 & 1.08 picks... rebuild and need a RB1 option for 2024 and beyond

Ya'll ignored my initial post (pay attention to me) but this is exactly what I mean when I say pick 1.4 is the worst value in this draft.

I dunno - I have Anthony Richardson pretty well locked in after Bijan, Gibbs, & JSN in 1 QB leagues. The floor/upside for his projected rushing at the position is too great to ignore.

Then why not Kincaid? We've seen in years past how a Kelce level te will almost double the amount of points you get at a single position you're forced to start over your opponent on a weekly basis. Avg qb1 will still score 80-90% of what you get from Richardson.

If you think Kincaid is the next Kelce, sure. Go for that.

I think TEs often take a while to develop and it’s not like Knox died.

ARich is a Konami code QB and then some. Gimme the rushing QB over the allegedly elite TE all day.

We all have our preferences though. Folks have been chasing the next Kelce for a decade now though.

 

[Gally]

Sorry, what format? 1 QB?

That’s tough. I’d probably roll the dice with the 1.05, but it’s close.

Depends on team needs. The WR class isn’t great, but there are some potentially useful ones available at 1.05

1 QB, Full IDP, PPR, 12 team, 18 starters (9 off/9 IDP)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In a 1qb league I can't see any QB going #4.
I'd much rather trade down in some way shape or form than to go that route.

Noted. I disagree.

 

[Ilov80s]

In a 1qb league I can't see any QB going #4.
I'd much rather trade down in some way shape or form than to go that route.

Someone has to pick #4, if nobody likes Johnston/Addison then I'm certainly not going to say taking a QB is a bad pick

Even if you don't like them, you are still better off just making the pick and rolling the dice IMO. There are enough sharp fantasy players that do like them there.

Edit for clarity: I am advising taking Q and Addison over Richardson in single QB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sorry, what format? 1 QB?

That’s tough. I’d probably roll the dice with the 1.05, but it’s close.

Depends on team needs. The WR class isn’t great, but there are some potentially useful ones available at 1.05

1 QB, Full IDP, PPR, 12 team, 18 starters (9 off/9 IDP)

With IDP, and depending on scoring, I might be tempted to take Anderson.

It’s still close. I’m more likely to take the 1.05

 

[Ilov80s]

If you take Addison and don't like it, he should retain value for several months. There should be many chances to sell.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In a 1qb league I can't see any QB going #4.
I'd much rather trade down in some way shape or form than to go that route.

Someone has to pick #4, if nobody likes Johnston/Addison then I'm certainly not going to say taking a QB is a bad pick

Even if you don't like them, you are still better off just making the pick and rolling the dice IMO. There are enough sharp fantasy players that do like them there.

ARich could end up with Hurts/Allen value. IMO you have to roll the dice there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you take Addison and don't like it, he should retain value for several months. There should be many chances to sell.

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

 

[Ilov80s]

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

I just think you have so many more trade options with a WR than a QB. Just about every team looks at their roster thinks, "I could use some WR help" or "I need to get younger at WR". It's unlikely that the people with Hurts, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Lamar are thinking "I need to give away valuable assets to improve my QB situation". That's half the league that probably aren't interested.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

I just think you have so many more trade options with a WR than a QB. Just about every team looks at their roster thinks, "I could use some WR help" or "I need to get younger at WR". It's unlikely that the people with Hurts, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Lamar are thinking "I need to give away valuable assets to improve my QB situation". That's half the league that probably aren't interested.

Fair point.

Or might even want to gamble on a Kinkaid - if you hit on “the next Kelce”, he’ll be worth a mint to your team, or in trade.

 

[Ilov80s]

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

I just think you have so many more trade options with a WR than a QB. Just about every team looks at their roster thinks, "I could use some WR help" or "I need to get younger at WR". It's unlikely that the people with Hurts, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Lamar are thinking "I need to give away valuable assets to improve my QB situation". That's half the league that probably aren't interested.

Fair point.

Or might even want to gamble on a Kinkaid - if you hit on “the next Kelce”, he’ll be worth a mint to your team, or in trade.

I am just not taking the plunge at TE in round 1 of a 1QB draft. Probably not even in round 2. Takes too long to develop and we've been terrible at identifying the elite TEs. Nobody saw Kelce, Waller, Kittle and Andrews emerging as the cream of the position. There were a lot more resources burned on Ebron, Fant, Hockenson, Engram, Gesicki, OJ Howard, Irv Smith, etc.

 

[Dez]

I am in a 16 team IDP 1.5 TE PPR league with 6 pts per TD pass. I have no QB. It is really hard to get one in a 16 team league. My QB was Brady the last 5 years.

So I have been offered Mahomes for 3 1st round picks. I have currently 4 1st round picks. I would either be giving up 7, 9 and my own future 1st or I would give up 9 and 2 future 1st.

I have been trying to figure out how to get a QB and I can't figure out a way to get anyone. The only possible QB's I could try to trade for would be Cousins, Ridder, Garoppolo, Carr, Russ WIlson, Purdy, Goff, Daniel Jones.

Those are the only teams that have 2 QB's everyone else has 1 and garbage backups so they won't be trading their guy.

The Mahomes guy is going all in on a rebuild but refuses to trade Mahomes for anything less than 3 1st rounders.

I do not know if I could get any of those QB's I named above but those are all on teams where the guy has another decent QB so maybe they would part with theirs but it would likely cost something decent as people want to have 2 QB's.

Here's a bit of a counterpoint to the Mahomes trade idea:

If you're not a contender this year, I'd consider trying to get a guy like Carr for one of those firsts and Purdy for maybe a 2nd? Carr will see you through the next few years as a solid, not great QB. He's rarely hurt and will likely give you top 10-12 QB numbers. Purdy looked exceptional last season. His decision making was off the charts good. Keep your 2024 1sts on the chance that you can snag a Caleb Williams or Drake Maye next year.

I am a contender I have been the #1 seed the past 6 years in a row and won 3 championships including last year and 2020. So very much a contender.

Here is the thing I was starting to come to the fact I was going to deal 7, 9 and my future 1st and be done with it get my QB and be set for next 4 years (Mahomes has a 4 year contract then in year 5 I could franchise him and get offers and retrade him off or keep him for year 5 and do that again in year 6 but that be my max 6 years)

Like I said I was all set to do this but before I did I just wanted to reach out to the 1.01 owner and I messaged him asking if there was anything he would take for it. He responded he was not planning on trading it but what was my offer. I said what if I give you 7, 9 and my future 1st. I assume this was going to be a big fat no but I get him to this....

"Add $7 and send it"................so now I sit between getting Bijan Robinson or Mahomes............Robinson I could put like 8 years on. Mahomes would be 4 then franchise tag/trade.

99% of the time it's Robinson easy call but Mahomes in a 6 pt TD passing league with 16 teams when you have no QB..............

 

[rockaction]

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

I just think you have so many more trade options with a WR than a QB. Just about every team looks at their roster thinks, "I could use some WR help" or "I need to get younger at WR". It's unlikely that the people with Hurts, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Lamar are thinking "I need to give away valuable assets to improve my QB situation". That's half the league that probably aren't interested.

Fair point.

Or might even want to gamble on a Kinkaid - if you hit on “the next Kelce”, he’ll be worth a mint to your team, or in trade.

I am just not taking the plunge at TE in round 1 of a 1QB draft. Probably not even in round 2. Takes too long to develop and we've been terrible at identifying the elite TEs. Nobody saw Kelce, Waller, Kittle and Andrews emerging as the cream of the position. There were a lot more resources burned on Ebron, Fant, Hockenson, Engram, Gesicki, OJ Howard, Irv Smith, etc.

I was talking about maybe taking a tight end in the first round, but nah, you won't see me doing that (most likely). There's just too much of a track record of failure there by the NFL to scout the position adequately (or deploy it adequately for fantasy purposes).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

I just think you have so many more trade options with a WR than a QB. Just about every team looks at their roster thinks, "I could use some WR help" or "I need to get younger at WR". It's unlikely that the people with Hurts, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Lamar are thinking "I need to give away valuable assets to improve my QB situation". That's half the league that probably aren't interested.

Fair point.

Or might even want to gamble on a Kinkaid - if you hit on “the next Kelce”, he’ll be worth a mint to your team, or in trade.

I am just not taking the plunge at TE in round 1 of a 1QB draft. Probably not even in round 2. Takes too long to develop and we've been terrible at identifying the elite TEs. Nobody saw Kelce, Waller, Kittle and Andrews emerging as the cream of the position. There were a lot more resources burned on Ebron, Fant, Hockenson, Engram, Gesicki, OJ Howard, Irv Smith, etc.

I’m not either. I’m just saying it’s an option. And will likely also hold its value until the season starts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am in a 16 team IDP 1.5 TE PPR league with 6 pts per TD pass. I have no QB. It is really hard to get one in a 16 team league. My QB was Brady the last 5 years.

So I have been offered Mahomes for 3 1st round picks. I have currently 4 1st round picks. I would either be giving up 7, 9 and my own future 1st or I would give up 9 and 2 future 1st.

I have been trying to figure out how to get a QB and I can't figure out a way to get anyone. The only possible QB's I could try to trade for would be Cousins, Ridder, Garoppolo, Carr, Russ WIlson, Purdy, Goff, Daniel Jones.

Those are the only teams that have 2 QB's everyone else has 1 and garbage backups so they won't be trading their guy.

The Mahomes guy is going all in on a rebuild but refuses to trade Mahomes for anything less than 3 1st rounders.

I do not know if I could get any of those QB's I named above but those are all on teams where the guy has another decent QB so maybe they would part with theirs but it would likely cost something decent as people want to have 2 QB's.

Here's a bit of a counterpoint to the Mahomes trade idea:

If you're not a contender this year, I'd consider trying to get a guy like Carr for one of those firsts and Purdy for maybe a 2nd? Carr will see you through the next few years as a solid, not great QB. He's rarely hurt and will likely give you top 10-12 QB numbers. Purdy looked exceptional last season. His decision making was off the charts good. Keep your 2024 1sts on the chance that you can snag a Caleb Williams or Drake Maye next year.

I am a contender I have been the #1 seed the past 6 years in a row and won 3 championships including last year and 2020. So very much a contender.

Here is the thing I was starting to come to the fact I was going to deal 7, 9 and my future 1st and be done with it get my QB and be set for next 4 years (Mahomes has a 4 year contract then in year 5 I could franchise him and get offers and retrade him off or keep him for year 5 and do that again in year 6 but that be my max 6 years)

Like I said I was all set to do this but before I did I just wanted to reach out to the 1.01 owner and I messaged him asking if there was anything he would take for it. He responded he was not planning on trading it but what was my offer. I said what if I give you 7, 9 and my future 1st. I assume this was going to be a big fat no but I get him to this....

"Add $7 and send it"................so now I sit between getting Bijan Robinson or Mahomes............Robinson I could put like 8 years on. Mahomes would be 4 then franchise tag/trade.

99% of the time it's Robinson easy call but Mahomes in a 6 pt TD passing league with 16 teams when you have no QB..............

Take Bijan

 

[rockaction]

99% of the time it's Robinson easy call but Mahomes in a 6 pt TD passing league with 16 teams when you have no QB...

I wish I could help you out, but I'm stumped by your dilemma. I did help in one way, though. Ellipses. There are three ... dots that go along with a hanging thought. Depending on style guides, they can be spaced or not spaced. But you're using way too many and it reads like an HTML blinktag to these eyes, anyway. Firm up your ellipses game by saying, "I don't care what I write so long as I leave three dots there ..."

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

99% of the time it's Robinson easy call but Mahomes in a 6 pt TD passing league with 16 teams when you have no QB...

I wish I could help you out, but I'm stumped by your dilemma. I did help in one way, though. Ellipses. There are three. . .dots that go along with a hanging thought. Depending on style guides, they can be spaced or not spaced. But you're using way too many and it reads like an HTML blinktag to these eyes, anyway. Firm up your ellipses game by saying, "I don't care what I write so long as I leave three dots there..."

…then take Bijan

 

[rockaction]

... but those dots should have a space before and after, IIRC, so I used it wrong, too.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

... but those dots should have a space before and after, IIRC, so I used it wrong, too.

. .. . Have you stopped to consider they’re not ellipses, but rather Morse code?

 

[rockaction]

. .. . Have you stopped to consider they’re not ellipses, but rather Morse code?

I had not even stopped to consider the possibility, no. I just get sensory overload when I see ..................... as a disjointed thought.

 

[wgoldsph]

Same holds true for ARich, QJ, or whomever else is selected at 5.

I just think you have so many more trade options with a WR than a QB. Just about every team looks at their roster thinks, "I could use some WR help" or "I need to get younger at WR". It's unlikely that the people with Hurts, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Lamar are thinking "I need to give away valuable assets to improve my QB situation". That's half the league that probably aren't interested.

Fair point.

Or might even want to gamble on a Kinkaid - if you hit on “the next Kelce”, he’ll be worth a mint to your team, or in trade.

Youve been one of the biggest Pitts backers on this board, but now you think 1.04 is too much for a te?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Youve been one of the biggest Pitts backers on this board, but now you think 1.04 is too much for a te?

Up until the combine Mayer was considered the TE1 of this draft.

Pitts >>>>>>>>>> Kinkaid

Apples & oranges.

ETA: and thinking back, I didn’t advocate taking Kyle Pitts as high as 1.04 either.

 

[wgoldsph]

Youve been one of the biggest Pitts backers on this board, but now you think 1.04 is too much for a te?

Up until the combine Mayer was considered the TE1 of this draft.

Pitts >>>>>>>>>> Kinkaid

Apples & oranges.

ETA: and thinking back, I didn’t advocate taking Kyle Pitts as high as 1.04 either.

I had always seen Kincaid as first te for fantasy. Mayer's comp was Witten.
Although you're right on the Pitts coming out of college prospects being much much higher for Kincaid.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pitts is a full year you get than Kincaid

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Youve been one of the biggest Pitts backers on this board, but now you think 1.04 is too much for a te?

Up until the combine Mayer was considered the TE1 of this draft.

Pitts >>>>>>>>>> Kinkaid

Apples & oranges.

ETA: and thinking back, I didn’t advocate taking Kyle Pitts as high as 1.04 either.

I had always seen Kincaid as first te for fantasy. Mayer's comp was Witten.
Although you're right on the Pitts coming out of college prospects being much much higher for Kincaid.

Technically I’m right about both - I’ve followed the Devy rankings and 2023 rookie rankings for years now & Mayer was locked in as the top TE right up until the combine when his testing was kinda meh compared to those guys.

I’m not saying Kinkaid isn’t a good prospect. But he hasn’t been considered the next Kelce until he was drafted by the Bills.

And I’m a bit skeptical that they’re going to stop throwing to Knox altogether.

If Kincaid is a 1st, he is a late 1st, not a 1.04, and even then it’s only because of the relative weakness of the rest of this draft class, not because he vaulted on his own merits.

Maybe Kinkaid is all that & a bag of chips….certainly on the spectrum of outcomes. TEs in general have been rough dynasty picks for a while. They’re notoriously slow to develop - Pitts outstanding 1st season was the outlier.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I am in a 16 team IDP 1.5 TE PPR league with 6 pts per TD pass. I have no QB. It is really hard to get one in a 16 team league. My QB was Brady the last 5 years.

So I have been offered Mahomes for 3 1st round picks. I have currently 4 1st round picks. I would either be giving up 7, 9 and my own future 1st or I would give up 9 and 2 future 1st.

I have been trying to figure out how to get a QB and I can't figure out a way to get anyone. The only possible QB's I could try to trade for would be Cousins, Ridder, Garoppolo, Carr, Russ WIlson, Purdy, Goff, Daniel Jones.

Those are the only teams that have 2 QB's everyone else has 1 and garbage backups so they won't be trading their guy.

The Mahomes guy is going all in on a rebuild but refuses to trade Mahomes for anything less than 3 1st rounders.

I do not know if I could get any of those QB's I named above but those are all on teams where the guy has another decent QB so maybe they would part with theirs but it would likely cost something decent as people want to have 2 QB's.

Here's a bit of a counterpoint to the Mahomes trade idea:

If you're not a contender this year, I'd consider trying to get a guy like Carr for one of those firsts and Purdy for maybe a 2nd? Carr will see you through the next few years as a solid, not great QB. He's rarely hurt and will likely give you top 10-12 QB numbers. Purdy looked exceptional last season. His decision making was off the charts good. Keep your 2024 1sts on the chance that you can snag a Caleb Williams or Drake Maye next year.

I am a contender I have been the #1 seed the past 6 years in a row and won 3 championships including last year and 2020. So very much a contender.

Here is the thing I was starting to come to the fact I was going to deal 7, 9 and my future 1st and be done with it get my QB and be set for next 4 years (Mahomes has a 4 year contract then in year 5 I could franchise him and get offers and retrade him off or keep him for year 5 and do that again in year 6 but that be my max 6 years)

Like I said I was all set to do this but before I did I just wanted to reach out to the 1.01 owner and I messaged him asking if there was anything he would take for it. He responded he was not planning on trading it but what was my offer. I said what if I give you 7, 9 and my future 1st. I assume this was going to be a big fat no but I get him to this....

"Add $7 and send it"................so now I sit between getting Bijan Robinson or Mahomes............Robinson I could put like 8 years on. Mahomes would be 4 then franchise tag/trade.

99% of the time it's Robinson easy call but Mahomes in a 6 pt TD passing league with 16 teams when you have no QB..............

BIjan + Carr > Mahomes + RBX.X. Maybe offer your 2nd 2024 first for Carr and have both?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Kincaid is a year older than Pitts

 

[pinkstapler]

Looking for some feedback on a valuation, and in general.

Currently own 6 solid RBs, been looking to diversify into picks for about a year, not getting bites/decent value. Backs are Barkley, AJones, Mixon, Pollard, Rhamondre, Dobbins. Finally have another owner expressing interest in Rhamondre and wondering what the valuation should be in picks. I have him around 11/12 overall, consensus (KTC) looks more like 14.
The other owner seems like he'd go for 2023 2.02 and a 2024 2nd. This is just about even on KTC but feels low to me. This is a very competitive league where as I think KTC is generally a more reactive/casual consensus. Wondered where these boards are at. I already said I'd at the very least wait to pull the trigger on the aforementioned trade until it was OTC so I would know who would be there at 2.02 for me.

 

[sheerterror]

Looking for some feedback on a valuation, and in general.

Currently own 6 solid RBs, been looking to diversify into picks for about a year, not getting bites/decent value. Backs are Barkley, AJones, Mixon, Pollard, Rhamondre, Dobbins. Finally have another owner expressing interest in Rhamondre and wondering what the valuation should be in picks. I have him around 11/12 overall, consensus (KTC) looks more like 14.
The other owner seems like he'd go for 2023 2.02 and a 2024 2nd. This is just about even on KTC but feels low to me. This is a very competitive league where as I think KTC is generally a more reactive/casual consensus. Wondered where these boards are at. I already said I'd at the very least wait to pull the trigger on the aforementioned trade until it was OTC so I would know who would be there at 2.02 for me.

Honestly I think Stevenson is your most valuable back on that list outside of Barkley - and am truly shocked he doesn't have at least a mid 1st round value on him. I grabbed him in the 4th, then moved him in a package for Taylor last offseason (major buyer's remorse, but that's a whole different discussion) so I was gritting my teeth all last season watching him tear it up. This class feels fairly weak after Bijan/Gibbs (especially for RB). Depending on roster needs, I would take Stevenson over probably all 4 of the top WRs depending on team needs. You won't get 1.3 - but 1.6ish feels appropriate right now. I think I'd pass on the 2 2nds, as you're simply praying one of those 2 picks shows remotely what Stevenson has so far as a pro.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Been trying the flip the 1.01 that I picked up for 1.02 and 2.04 a few weeks back. No biters at anywhere reasonable value, so I guess I'll just live with Bijan on my roster. Oh darn!

 

[Gally]

Looking for some feedback on a valuation, and in general.

Currently own 6 solid RBs, been looking to diversify into picks for about a year, not getting bites/decent value. Backs are Barkley, AJones, Mixon, Pollard, Rhamondre, Dobbins. Finally have another owner expressing interest in Rhamondre and wondering what the valuation should be in picks. I have him around 11/12 overall, consensus (KTC) looks more like 14.
The other owner seems like he'd go for 2023 2.02 and a 2024 2nd. This is just about even on KTC but feels low to me. This is a very competitive league where as I think KTC is generally a more reactive/casual consensus. Wondered where these boards are at. I already said I'd at the very least wait to pull the trigger on the aforementioned trade until it was OTC so I would know who would be there at 2.02 for me.

Honestly I think Stevenson is your most valuable back on that list outside of Barkley - and am truly shocked he doesn't have at least a mid 1st round value on him. I grabbed him in the 4th, then moved him in a package for Taylor last offseason (major buyer's remorse, but that's a whole different discussion) so I was gritting my teeth all last season watching him tear it up. This class feels fairly weak after Bijan/Gibbs (especially for RB). Depending on roster needs, I would take Stevenson over probably all 4 of the top WRs depending on team needs. You won't get 1.3 - but 1.6ish feels appropriate right now. I think I'd pass on the 2 2nds, as you're simply praying one of those 2 picks shows remotely what Stevenson has so far as a pro.

I agree with this. Two 2nd rounders is not close to enough for Stevenson.

 

[tangfoot]

Been trying the flip the 1.01 that I picked up for 1.02 and 2.04 a few weeks back. No biters at anywhere reasonable value, so I guess I'll just live with Bijan on my roster. Oh darn!

There's always time to sell Bijan at a profit later.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Been trying the flip the 1.01 that I picked up for 1.02 and 2.04 a few weeks back. No biters at anywhere reasonable value, so I guess I'll just live with Bijan on my roster. Oh darn!

He has low market value in your league due to your deal

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The other owner seems like he'd go for 2023 2.02 and a 2024 2nd.

I would dislocate my shoulder accepting that deal to get Stevenson.

He’s worth a 1st easily. And 2x 2nds don’t equal a 1st to me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Been trying the flip the 1.01 that I picked up for 1.02 and 2.04 a few weeks back. No biters at anywhere reasonable value, so I guess I'll just live with Bijan on my roster. Oh darn!

Absolutely no rush or reason to accept less than full value.

There’s even a chance that he comes out en Fuego & his price goes up.

Trading for the 1.01 feels generic to some managers. Trading for a player is easier for some folks to grasp.

Wait until Robinson is a huge % of the Falcons total yards, targets and weekly points. He’ll be very popular.

 

[Mister CIA]

Well, looking at some recent Post-NFL Draft Mocks are still a bit scattered. (I am referencing 1QB PPR considerations)

After 1.01 Bijan & 1.02-1.03 Gibbs, Running Backs are confusing and almost random perspective.

Sea Zach Charbonnet - Good Draft capital & RB size but sharing with KW3 is a rough intro to NFL. Pete said "competition" to start so hard to gauge his slot
NOS Kendre Miller - Kamara & Jamaal situations offer opportunity but marginal capital
Mia Devon Achane - good landing spot but small speedy back, crowded backfield for 1 year
Jax Tank Bigsby - clear RBBC situation on rising Jax offense

Draft Range / Average (comments)
Zach Charbonnet: 1.06 to 2.01 / 1.09 (or if Handcuff to KW3 higher might be required)
Kendre Miller: 1.08 to 2.03 / 1.11 (Kamara suspension influential to value in 2023)
Devon Achane: 1.06 to 2.10 / 2.04 (speed & space utility in Miami gives diverse value)
Tank Bigsby: 1.11 to 3.02 / 2.07 (potential GL value)

Self-serving idea here is that I have 1.07 & 1.08 picks... rebuild and need a RB1 option for 2024 and beyond

Ya'll ignored my initial post (pay attention to me) but this is exactly what I mean when I say pick 1.4 is the worst value in this draft.

I dunno - I have Anthony Richardson pretty well locked in after Bijan, Gibbs, & JSN in 1 QB leagues. The floor/upside for his projected rushing at the position is too great to ignore.

What sort of offer would it take for you to drop from the 1.02 to the 1.04 in a 1 QB league?

In a 14 teamer I’m in, the 1.02 got the 1.04 and a 2024 1st and 4th

I’m in a 16 teamer in the position of having the 1.02 with interest from a few owners in the 1.04-1.07 range - trying to gauge what point it’s worth moving down, and if the deal that went down in the 14 teamer is a realistic expectation

As someone with the 4, I would do anything to move out of it. I would eat perceived value to move to 6/7 so I don't feel as bad going for Richardson/Kincaid. Might send the guy at 2 the 1.04 24 1st and 4th offer though, in hopes he's dazzled by extra picks.

I was sitting on the 1.05 it TE-Premium and was fully prepared to grab Kincaid with the pick, and Zay Flowers was not far behind - until Gibbs fell into my lap (I tend to keep lofty rankings on my pre-draft favorites, unless they get drafted by NE or TENN). Probably would have considered ARichardson too, but it's start 1-QB and I'm alright with Joe Cool and Dak (and my new Stetson). I'm pretty high on LaPorta, so if you ended up with AR and LaPorta, I'd say that's a nice haul.

 

[Dez]

Well the 1.01 has sat on my offer for 3 days I sent 2 messages asking him if he was backing out or not. Then I get a trade offer today for Mahomes.
I decided well if I can get him to throw in Oluokun (last year's #1 LB scoring 339 pts) I would just have to do the Mahomes deal not having a QB anyway.

So it's done. Mahomes !

 

[Ilov80s]

I am flush with RB and need some WR help.

Anyone have an evaluation, fair offer, etc for ETN, 1.02 (1QB), James Cook, Pacheco?

 

[finfansteve]

One qb league I don’t like keeping qbs in this ten team 10 players kept keeper league but I have to keep one of Herbert or Lamar. 6 pt pas tds and every ten yards pass/run = 1 point.
im torn which one to keep and which one to try to deal away. I could keep both but then I’d have to try to trade or cut DK and/or Kittle. DK is my 5th wr and Kittle is either my starter or backup at TE (Pitts)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am flush with RB and need some WR help.

Anyone have an evaluation, fair offer, etc for ETN, 1.02 (1QB), James Cook, Pacheco?

Like, what are those players worth in trade?

1.02 I probably take Gibbs & deal him or wait until you’re on the clock to take offers.

ETN is gonna depend a lot on the eye of the beholder. If I’m in your league imma pay for him. Not everyone is bullish on ETN though.

Pacheco I have as a solid early 2nd round value. Maybe an upside WR2?

James Cook is tricky - I just got him as a balancing piece to get TLaw. Hard to know until we see how he’s utilized. I do know that Murray is 33 and not awesome, and Harris gets hurt a lot. If Cook gets that Singletary role + receptions he’s gonna be mightily valuable in that offense. But the off-season isn’t over. Still some risk of a FA signing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team PPR SF, start 10, no K, no D/ST

Start 2-5 RB

My RB corps is Bijan, ETN, AJ Dillon
Just putting finishing touches on a rebuild. Should compete but kinda thin at RB

2025 mid-to-late 1st for D.Swift.

You buying?

 

[foxco]

2025 mid-to-late 1st for D.Swift.

You buying?

No, not unless I'm sure Putin launches in 2024.

 

[Mister CIA]

I think TEs often take a while to develop and it’s not like Knox died.

I think his role has changed,

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No, not unless I'm sure Putin launches in 2024.

I mean, he’s only 24 and Penny is on a 1-year deal, no?