Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (17 Viewers)

[rockaction]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

That's the rub, right? People are gambling that Wilson makes the leap into Chase/Jefferson territory this season. If he does, then you've got a steal. If he stays status quo, you've still got a mid tier WR1. He managed to post 83/1100/4, which is top 10ish yards for a rookie in history. He did that with, and I'll be generous here, inconsistent QB play. The names ahead of him are a who's who of WRs in and to-be in the HoF. It's pretty easy to see the excitement for this guy, right? Are people overpaying? Probably. Is it a bad gamble? I don't think so.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

 

[menobrown]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

 

[Da Franchise]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

Wilson is my WR3. DK is off my board. That deal just isn’t happening for me.

To go from Wilson to Chase? I’d probably just sit tight rather than ship the pick. I suppose a late 1st would be worth considering but pretty sure I’d just use the 1st for some other purpose. Yeah, I’d definitely use it for another purpose. No deal.

 

[rockaction]

People are gambling that Wilson makes the leap into Chase/Jefferson territory this season. If he does, then you've got a steal.

Not at this cost.

I mean, that's fine how people see it. I don't see it even remotely that way.

To go from Wilson to Chase? I’d probably just sit tight rather than ship the pick.

I think that's a bad valuation. You've already seen what one guy can do. You're betting on potential for the other. Not the way I do business. You always want to beat market value, and it sounds like the way Wilson is being valued right now that's nearly impossible.

 

[Da Franchise]

People are gambling that Wilson makes the leap into Chase/Jefferson territory this season. If he does, then you've got a steal.

Not at this cost.

I mean, that's fine how people see it. I don't see it even remotely that way.

To go from Wilson to Chase? I’d probably just sit tight rather than ship the pick.

I think that's a bad valuation. You've already seen what one guy can do. You're betting on potential for the other. Not the way I do business. You always want to beat market value, and it sounds like the way Wilson is being valued right now that's nearly impossible.

We’ve seen what Wilson can do. Just remove the Zack Wilson games and the production is elite and that’s with White/Flacco. I am far from the only one valuing him this way. Most still have Lamb over him but he’s a lot of folks WR4.

I’ve done two $1250 startups and he went WR4 in both. Granted it was to me in one of them, but that’s where he goes as per FantasyMojo adp which is gathered from real money league data.

I’ll concede JJ, Chase, Lamb. What other WR are you taking over him?

 

[Boston]

Not to be short but I would not have any interest in DK being a core piece if I was gonna give up Garrett Wilson...I would have to be totally overwhelmed to move him and for me DK's value is not near Wilson's.

As for the other one everything depends on what both rosters look like...a weak answer but I would need to see what I am willing to give up from my roster that doesn't kill me that also makes sense for the other guy.

Wow. But as I'm reading and thinking, I'm thinking your value on Wilson is astronomical. DK is WR14 by KTC, and from 14-16 in most other rankings. Wilson is or should be WR5 or so. That's certainly a disparity, but not by as much as you indicate. But that's why we have these discussions. To gauge how people are feeling about it.

My thought is that Chase should need at least a first+Wilson, not just some guy off of your "roster that doesn't kill [you]."

That's putting Wilson equivalent to Chase, which he's nowhere near yet in value. If that's his value, I'm wayyyyy out in dynasty and at ADP.

DK is what he is...a quality WR who will be 26 this year...I'll take him on my team all day long but I have Wilson in another tier as he is 23 years old and just had a very legit rookie year playing with high school level QBs...from an eye test point of view Wilson looks like he can be elite and has looked that way since OSU...DK did at one point, but I think he has leveled off and I don't think the upside is what it looked like it would be...if I am dealing Wilson whatever goes with Metcalf would have to be more valuable to me than Metcalf...as for my second point I don't mean some JAG so I think you totally missed my point...I would give up something valuable but I would not weaken myself at another position or over extend myself to get Chase if I am including Wilson...I maybe overvaluing Wilson because Chase is elite but I feel pretty strongly about him right now.

 

[Da Franchise]

I have it like this:

God tier- JJ, Chase

Elite tier A- Wilson, Lamb

Elite tier B- AJB, DeVonta, Sun God, Waddle

Arguments galore inside the tiers but I’m firm on the groupings.

 

[rockaction]

I would have Wilson as WR4. I think most ranking services have him as WR5 behind Brown, but the last time I looked was weeks ago. Sounds like he’s ascending, as impossible as that seems.

And I don’t think I totally missed your point about Chase and Wilson, Boston. I only have your writing to go on, and what appeared to me to be what you said is apparently different than what you thought. No biggie.

And this isn’t personal. Just a little surprised by the valuation, but it’s good to know.

 

[rockaction]

I personally love Wilson and would ship DK and a valuable piece for him (I hate giving up 1sts in our league. They’re coveted), so I'm not knocking Wilson. Maybe I value or the ranking services value DK more than most? Dunno.

 

[menobrown]

I have it like this:

God tier- JJ, Chase

Elite tier A- Wilson, Lamb

Elite tier B- AJB, DeVonta, Sun God, Waddle

Arguments galore inside the tiers but I’m firm on the groupings.

I personally view the groupings as close to perfect.

 

[kutta]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

I wouldn’t be surprised if JSN is the WR 1 in Seattle in 2024.

 

[dipandglide]

What do all of you think about Rondale Moore and Alec Pierce?

 

[kutta]

What do all of you think about Rondale Moore and Alec Pierce?

Not much at all. Pierce has a shot to maybe be a WR 3. I don’t have much faith in Moore at all.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

DK has played with good Russ, bad Russ and Geno (who was arguably more than solid). His fantasy output has remained roughly the same. He's had Locket in the WR room all those years, who has posted 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs the last 5 years running. Last year was his worst TD production ever at 6. I think it's safe to say he'll have some regression toward the mean this season. I also think that another full year of Geno at starter will put the two more in sync. It was evident over the course of last season that it took a while for them to be on the same page. Those numbers given in a PPR format yield somewhere around the WR15 mark and I think that's his floor.

Explanation on DK aside, the answer to you question IMO is this: fantasy floor is the low end of the fantasy projection we can reasonably expect from a player barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstances surrounding the team.

 

[humpback]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

DK has played with good Russ, bad Russ and Geno (who was arguably more than solid). His fantasy output has remained roughly the same. He's had Locket in the WR room all those years, who has posted 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs the last 5 years running. Last year was his worst TD production ever at 6. I think it's safe to say he'll have some regression toward the mean this season. I also think that another full year of Geno at starter will put the two more in sync. It was evident over the course of last season that it took a while for them to be on the same page. Those numbers given in a PPR format yield somewhere around the WR15 mark and I think that's his floor.

Explanation on DK aside, the answer to you question IMO is this: fantasy floor is the low end of the fantasy projection we can reasonably expect from a player barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstances surrounding the team.

I think what he's saying is that the numbers you gave for his "floor" are higher than he's achieved in 3 out of his 4 seasons and ~20 pts. higher than his mean. In general it's a pretty tough sell that someone's floor is higher than his average season, and in DK's case specifically, it's even tougher considering his team has added guys like JSN and Charbonnet.

Don't get me wrong, those numbers are certainly achievable, but his floor is a good amount lower IMO.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

DK has played with good Russ, bad Russ and Geno (who was arguably more than solid). His fantasy output has remained roughly the same. He's had Locket in the WR room all those years, who has posted 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs the last 5 years running. Last year was his worst TD production ever at 6. I think it's safe to say he'll have some regression toward the mean this season. I also think that another full year of Geno at starter will put the two more in sync. It was evident over the course of last season that it took a while for them to be on the same page. Those numbers given in a PPR format yield somewhere around the WR15 mark and I think that's his floor.

Explanation on DK aside, the answer to you question IMO is this: fantasy floor is the low end of the fantasy projection we can reasonably expect from a player barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstances surrounding the team.

I think what he's saying is that the numbers you gave for his "floor" are higher than he's achieved in 3 out of his 4 seasons and ~20 pts. higher than his mean. In general it's a pretty tough sell that someone's floor is higher than his average season, and in DK's case specifically, it's even tougher considering his team has added guys like JSN and Charbonnet.

Don't get me wrong, those numbers are certainly achievable, but his floor is a good amount lower IMO.

I get that, but it's worth considering that one of those seasons was his rookie season (2019) and another was when Russ went down with injury (2021). His average for 2020 and 2022 is the basis for what I consider his floor. Apologies, I probably should have spelled that out in the previous post.

 

[humpback]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

DK has played with good Russ, bad Russ and Geno (who was arguably more than solid). His fantasy output has remained roughly the same. He's had Locket in the WR room all those years, who has posted 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs the last 5 years running. Last year was his worst TD production ever at 6. I think it's safe to say he'll have some regression toward the mean this season. I also think that another full year of Geno at starter will put the two more in sync. It was evident over the course of last season that it took a while for them to be on the same page. Those numbers given in a PPR format yield somewhere around the WR15 mark and I think that's his floor.

Explanation on DK aside, the answer to you question IMO is this: fantasy floor is the low end of the fantasy projection we can reasonably expect from a player barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstances surrounding the team.

I think what he's saying is that the numbers you gave for his "floor" are higher than he's achieved in 3 out of his 4 seasons and ~20 pts. higher than his mean. In general it's a pretty tough sell that someone's floor is higher than his average season, and in DK's case specifically, it's even tougher considering his team has added guys like JSN and Charbonnet.

Don't get me wrong, those numbers are certainly achievable, but his floor is a good amount lower IMO.

I get that, but it's worth considering that one of those seasons was his rookie season (2019) and another was when Russ went down with injury (2021). His average for 2020 and 2022 is the basis for what I consider his floor. Apologies, I probably should have spelled that out in the previous post.

I'm fine with throwing out the rookie season, but even then, he failed to reach your "floor" in 2 out of 3 years. Even if you exclude 2021 (I don't think you can), he's 1 out of 2. That's not really how a floor works, it's not an average

Going back to 2021, Russ missed 3 games that year, and DK put up ~3.5 ppg more in those games than he did with Russ so I don't think there's a strong case to exclude it.

 

[menobrown]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

DK has played with good Russ, bad Russ and Geno (who was arguably more than solid). His fantasy output has remained roughly the same. He's had Locket in the WR room all those years, who has posted 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs the last 5 years running. Last year was his worst TD production ever at 6. I think it's safe to say he'll have some regression toward the mean this season. I also think that another full year of Geno at starter will put the two more in sync. It was evident over the course of last season that it took a while for them to be on the same page. Those numbers given in a PPR format yield somewhere around the WR15 mark and I think that's his floor.

Explanation on DK aside, the answer to you question IMO is this: fantasy floor is the low end of the fantasy projection we can reasonably expect from a player barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstances surrounding the team.

Thank you for answering and agree that's how I would define floor but as Humpback as pointed when your floor is in totality higher then his career average, better then he did last season, higher in most categories it's hard for me to view that as a floor for a player who has been pretty durable as well as his QB's. This seems more like higher end projection to me than what I'd label a floor.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And that's why I asked the forum. People want DK and a late first or just a better start than DK. I can't really argue, but I don't know if Wilson is worth that in terms of actual points being scored. Yet.

I will also add that I think DK is solidly undervalued in most formats right now. I'm not sure he'll ever be the dominant Chase/Jefferson guy, but his floor is 85/1200/8 which is top 12 territory. Sure JSN will take some target share, but it won't be DK's.

When you use the word "floor" what do you mean exactly?

DK has played with good Russ, bad Russ and Geno (who was arguably more than solid). His fantasy output has remained roughly the same. He's had Locket in the WR room all those years, who has posted 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs the last 5 years running. Last year was his worst TD production ever at 6. I think it's safe to say he'll have some regression toward the mean this season. I also think that another full year of Geno at starter will put the two more in sync. It was evident over the course of last season that it took a while for them to be on the same page. Those numbers given in a PPR format yield somewhere around the WR15 mark and I think that's his floor.

Explanation on DK aside, the answer to you question IMO is this: fantasy floor is the low end of the fantasy projection we can reasonably expect from a player barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstances surrounding the team.

Thank you for answering and agree that's how I would define floor but as Humpback as pointed when your floor is in totality higher then his career average, better then he did last season, higher in most categories it's hard for me to view that as a floor for a player who has been pretty durable as well as his QB's. This seems more like higher end projection to me than what I'd label a floor.

Fair. I think there have been extenuating circumstances (Russ injury and coming back too soon then the move to Geno) that are depressing his value and lowering his "floor" in the eyes of many.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Dang it, I just let Chase slip through my fingers! I've been working this angle for a week now and had a pretty good deal set up. Got a bit greedy and stepped away from my phone for an hour and boom gone!

This might be an interesting discussion: What is the big one that got away from you and was it a good or bad thing?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fair. I think there have been extenuating circumstances (Russ injury and coming back too soon then the move to Geno) that are depressing his value and lowering his "floor" in the eyes of many.

Interesting discussion.

I think one has to also see JSN, and to a lesser degree Charbonnet & McIntosh as threats to DKM’s floor.

Your projected floor looks like my projected ceiling for DKM.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dang it, I just let Chase slip through my fingers! I've been working this angle for a week now and had a pretty good deal set up. Got a bit greedy and stepped away from my phone for an hour and boom gone!

This might be an interesting discussion: What is the big one that got away from you and was it a good or bad thing?

Man that’s tough.

As for the Q, in redraft back in the day in a local league, I had Priest Holmes.

I had a deal in place for Larry Johnson after 4 weeks of Priest blowing up & LJ doing very little.

I got greedy & countered the offer he sent me to include a Wr3-4 type. It was already a fair deal & I should have just accepted it.

My greedy counter ticked off the LJ owner, and when I sent back his original offer, he declined, saying he was just gonna hang onto LJ.

Of course, the very next week Priest hurt his neck & LJ blew up the rest of the season. The LJ owner won the league, after first knocking me out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

I ran the numbers. If I’d had LJ, I would have hoisted the trophy that year.

 

[finfansteve]

Dang it, I just let Chase slip through my fingers! I've been working this angle for a week now and had a pretty good deal set up. Got a bit greedy and stepped away from my phone for an hour and boom gone!

This might be an interesting discussion: What is the big one that got away from you and was it a good or bad thing?

Man that’s tough.

As for the Q, in redraft back in the day in a local league, I had Priest Holmes.

I had a deal in place for Larry Johnson after 4 weeks of Priest blowing up & LJ doing very little.

I got greedy & countered the offer he sent me to include a Wr3-4 type. It was already a fair deal & I should have just accepted it.

My greedy counter ticked off the LJ owner, and when I sent back his original offer, he declined, saying he was just gonna hang onto LJ.

Of course, the very next week Priest hurt his neck & LJ blew up the rest of the season. The LJ owner won the league, after first knocking me out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

I ran the numbers. If I’d had LJ, I would have hoisted the trophy that year.

This is exactly why (and ditkawetrust above) that if the offer is close or even if I lose by a little or a lot I don’t get crazy and counter to get one last piece. If I can acquire the player I’m after and things aren’t too off I don’t care I’m hitting accept and not trying to wrangle out one last piece to make it “more even” or whatever. I acquired JJ last year and it cost me Mike Evans more than I wanted to pay but I sent him over anyhow to ensure I got JJ. I didn’t care I’ll figure it out after the fact if I overpay but just lock up the main piece and move on

i have to assume the guys on this board are reasonably more fantasy savvy than most in their respective leagues and will be able to recoup after overpaying for a stud via the info gained from these boards. Not getting an extra draft pick back or including a fringe player you don’t want to shouldn’t stop an owner from acquiring a stud. Many if not most players are replaceable. Top end studs are not. Don’t let pride or trade calculators get in the way of getting your target if you lose that one opportunity it most likely will never happen again. There’s nothing worse than trying to squeeze out one more trade piece and your rival swoops in and trades for the player you wanted. You’ll be kicking yourself for years

in the words of Gordon Gekko “greed kills”.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Dang it, I just let Chase slip through my fingers! I've been working this angle for a week now and had a pretty good deal set up. Got a bit greedy and stepped away from my phone for an hour and boom gone!

This might be an interesting discussion: What is the big one that got away from you and was it a good or bad thing?

Man that’s tough.

As for the Q, in redraft back in the day in a local league, I had Priest Holmes.

I had a deal in place for Larry Johnson after 4 weeks of Priest blowing up & LJ doing very little.

I got greedy & countered the offer he sent me to include a Wr3-4 type. It was already a fair deal & I should have just accepted it.

My greedy counter ticked off the LJ owner, and when I sent back his original offer, he declined, saying he was just gonna hang onto LJ.

Of course, the very next week Priest hurt his neck & LJ blew up the rest of the season. The LJ owner won the league, after first knocking me out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

I ran the numbers. If I’d had LJ, I would have hoisted the trophy that year.

This is exactly why (and ditkawetrust above) that if the offer is close or even if I lose by a little or a lot I don’t get crazy and counter to get one last piece. If I can acquire the player I’m after and things aren’t too off I don’t care I’m hitting accept and not trying to wrangle out one last piece to make it “more even” or whatever. I acquired JJ last year and it cost me Mike Evans more than I wanted to pay but I sent him over anyhow to ensure I got JJ. I didn’t care I’ll figure it out after the fact if I overpay but just lock up the main piece and move on

I am 100% with you. I don’t haggle if it’s close enough when I going after someone.
However, if someone is pursuing my players…I haggle the crap out of them.

 

[Lehigh98]

in the words of Gordon Gekko “greed kills”.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dang it, I just let Chase slip through my fingers! I've been working this angle for a week now and had a pretty good deal set up. Got a bit greedy and stepped away from my phone for an hour and boom gone!

This might be an interesting discussion: What is the big one that got away from you and was it a good or bad thing?

Man that’s tough.

As for the Q, in redraft back in the day in a local league, I had Priest Holmes.

I had a deal in place for Larry Johnson after 4 weeks of Priest blowing up & LJ doing very little.

I got greedy & countered the offer he sent me to include a Wr3-4 type. It was already a fair deal & I should have just accepted it.

My greedy counter ticked off the LJ owner, and when I sent back his original offer, he declined, saying he was just gonna hang onto LJ.

Of course, the very next week Priest hurt his neck & LJ blew up the rest of the season. The LJ owner won the league, after first knocking me out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

I ran the numbers. If I’d had LJ, I would have hoisted the trophy that year.

This is exactly why (and ditkawetrust above) that if the offer is close or even if I lose by a little or a lot I don’t get crazy and counter to get one last piece. If I can acquire the player I’m after and things aren’t too off I don’t care I’m hitting accept and not trying to wrangle out one last piece to make it “more even” or whatever. I acquired JJ last year and it cost me Mike Evans more than I wanted to pay but I sent him over anyhow to ensure I got JJ. I didn’t care I’ll figure it out after the fact if I overpay but just lock up the main piece and move on

i have to assume the guys on this board are reasonably more fantasy savvy than most in their respective leagues and will be able to recoup after overpaying for a stud via the info gained from these boards. Not getting an extra draft pick back or including a fringe player you don’t want to shouldn’t stop an owner from acquiring a stud. Many if not most players are replaceable. Top end studs are not. Don’t let pride or trade calculators get in the way of getting your target if you lose that one opportunity it most likely will never happen again. There’s nothing worse than trying to squeeze out one more trade piece and your rival swoops in and trades for the player you wanted. You’ll be kicking yourself for years

in the words of Gordon Gekko “greed kills”.

It was absolutely a lesson for me.

It’s why I never mind overpaying slightly now. I always want to land the plane

I have never countered an acceptable deal since.

 

[FantasyMC]

Thoughts on Jameson Williams in a keeper league (not a Dynasty league)? No penalty for keeping anyone.

The talent is there and enticing, just hope he doesn't have the knucklehead factor and not realize his potential.

 

[kutta]

Thoughts on Jameson Williams in a keeper league (not a Dynasty league)? No penalty for keeping anyone.

The talent is there and enticing, just hope he doesn't have the knucklehead factor and not realize his potential.

How many keepers? I’m not sure he’ll ever be valuable enough to worry about keeping if there’s only a few keepers allowed.

 

[Penguin]

I got really lucky in an FFPC Bestball stacking Metcalf at 3.12, Lockett at 7.12 and Geno at 9.12.

So far...

1.12 AJ Brown (WR1)
2.01 B.Robinson (RB1)
3.12 DJ Metcalf (WR2)
4.01 J.Gibbs (RB2)
5.12 J.Mixon (RB3)
6.01 C.Ridley (WR3)
7.12 T.Lockett (WR4)
8.01 D.Waller (TE1)
9.12 G.Smith (QB1)
10.01 D.Njoku (TE2)
11.12 A.Rodgers QB2)
12.01 Z.Charbonnet (RB4)

 

[Penguin]

ETA: I'm an idiot, this was a dynasty value discussion

 

[nysfl2]

Thoughts on Jameson Williams in a keeper league (not a Dynasty league)? No penalty for keeping anyone.

The talent is there and enticing, just hope he doesn't have the knucklehead factor and not realize his potential.

Big fan, and he really doesn't seem to be a knucklehead. Loves football, works his butt off at practice, and the coaching staff loves him. He will be a big part of the offense this year when he returns.

The gambling thing was a team-wide issue that included several staff members, that makes it clear that the rules weren't explained properly to these guys.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

ETA: I'm an idiot, this was a dynasty value discussion

Also, who’s DJ Metcalf? Is he DK’s more musical brother?

 

[pinkstapler]

Thoughts on Jameson Williams in a keeper league (not a Dynasty league)? No penalty for keeping anyone.

The talent is there and enticing, just hope he doesn't have the knucklehead factor and not realize his potential.

Big fan, and he really doesn't seem to be a knucklehead. Loves football, works his butt off at practice, and the coaching staff loves him. He will be a big part of the offense this year when he returns.

The gambling thing was a team-wide issue that included several staff members, that makes it clear that the rules weren't explained properly to these guys.

Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson spoke with the media on recently. He admitted he hoped the Alabama product would have come along a bit faster by now.

“Each week we’re trying to do that and it’s just how fast can we get him along, feeling comfortable with it and it’s been – I hoped it would click just a little bit faster than it has, I think we all have,” Johnson said of Williams.

07 Jan 2023

"I don’t think anything he did this year is anywhere remotely close to where he’s going to go,” Holmes said of Williams. “We’ll determine what that role is and a lot of it is on him too. He’s going to have to put the work in this offseason, he’s going to have to be dedicated in his approach.We can provide all the resources and lay it all out, but he’s going to have to take the accountability and do it on his own. But I’ve got a lot of faith and confidence in Jameson and obviously, because we traded up for him and made the move for him. We all had the same belief, so I think he’s going to be just fine.” - Brad Holmes GM and VP for the Lions

Could go on to point out multiple social media red flags he's had too; who he hangs with, what he's doing (especially right after his 6 game suspension), tweets he likes.

It's all open to interpretation; and just as easily as people can damn him for them, they can write them all off and say it's all meaningless. I'd fall somewhere in the middle, with a lean towards meaningless at this point. At the same time, it does prevent me from having as rosy of an outlook as you. Especially the quotes from the OC and GM have me feeling he's not exactly 'working his butt off' and not all the coaching staff is so in love with him. He has the talent to be great, but I think he's gotta lay off the social media distractions and show he's willing to put in the work to get there. Otherwise, as has become a thing in Detroit for better or worse, he won't get the opportunities.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Any strong thoughts on Drake London? Interesting player but seemingly a lot in the negative column. A run heavy offense, an unproven inexperienced QB, a healthy Pitts coming back, and a receiving threat at RB drafted. I like the player but find him hard to place in ranking.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

 

[Rookiefever]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

Extremely even. Coin flip

If taking a package I prefer Kincaid.

 

[titusbramble]

Yeah, agreed, they're both close, would prefer the Kincaid deal obviously if given the choice

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

Extremely even. Coin flip

If taking a package I prefer Kincaid.

Where does “don’t make the deal” weigh in?

 

[Da Franchise]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

Extremely even. Coin flip

If taking a package I prefer Kincaid.

Where does “don’t make the deal” weigh in?

Need way more context to answer that one. In terms of value it’s pretty close. I’m a big LaPorta guy, more excited about him than Kincaid but obviously consensus is Kincaid in rankings. Which, idk, I guess. For roster construction purposes I’m aiming for LaPorta at lower cost.

Not a big Higgins guy for dynasty, don’t have him anywhere. No issue with him but I do wonder about whether the Bengals pay him because they are cheap and it’s an obvious downgrade to leave Burrow.

Id be looking to flip him probably so would depend on roster needs, what I think I can get for Higgins, whether I think I’m a contender, etc. It’s probably better to wait until the season is going though. AJB carries even more appeal when he’s throwing up big numbers in our box scores and of course rookie TEs tend to start pretty slowly.

 

[Rookiefever]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

Extremely even. Coin flip

If taking a package I prefer Kincaid.

Where does “don’t make the deal” weigh in?

I’m not sure what you mean by that

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

Extremely even. Coin flip

If taking a package I prefer Kincaid.

Where does “don’t make the deal” weigh in?

I’m not sure what you mean by that

Meaning, if it’s a coin flip, if you had one side or the other, would you simply stand pat?

 

[Rookiefever]

PPR TE-P

Which side:
A. AJB
B. LaPorta+Higgins

Which side:
A. AJB+Chuba
B. Kincaid+Higgins

Extremely even. Coin flip

If taking a package I prefer Kincaid.

Where does “don’t make the deal” weigh in?

I’m not sure what you mean by that

Meaning, if it’s a coin flip, if you had one side or the other, would you simply stand pat?

If I was targeting an upgrade at wr I’d offer the LaPorta deal. If I was targeting a te I’d offer the Kincaid deal.

I have Kincaid pretty high on my board. So take that in consideration. He is my #6 rookie overall. LaPorta is at 14

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No issue with him but I do wonder about whether the Bengals pay him because they are cheap and it’s an obvious downgrade to leave Burrow.

I see it as the opposite. It’s a clear upgrade going to a new team as their clear WR1 instead of playing behind Chase

 

[Da Franchise]

No issue with him but I do wonder about whether the Bengals pay him because they are cheap and it’s an obvious downgrade to leave Burrow.

I see it as the opposite. It’s a clear upgrade going to a new team as their clear WR1 instead of playing behind Chase

That’s cool but I just don’t see him as a true #1. I think he’s perfectly cast as is and wouldn’t want it to change. But he’s an expensive guy with too many variables for me to include in my player pool.

 

[King of the Jungle]

No issue with him but I do wonder about whether the Bengals pay him because they are cheap and it’s an obvious downgrade to leave Burrow.

I see it as the opposite. It’s a clear upgrade going to a new team as their clear WR1 instead of playing behind Chase

Major factor of who ends up throwing footballs to him as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That’s cool but I just don’t see him as a true #1. I think he’s perfectly cast as is and wouldn’t want it to change. But he’s an expensive guy with too many variables for me to include in my player pool.

I believe on any other team he’d be an Anquan Bolden type WR1. Target hog YAC beast but with better deep speed than Bolden.

He’s 6’4, 220, and runs a 4.54 40

How is that not suited to WR1?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Major factor of who ends up throwing footballs to him as well.

True, but he’s the kind of receiver who makes his QB better.

That said, I don’t see a non-competitive team signing him in FA.

 

[Da Franchise]

That’s cool but I just don’t see him as a true #1. I think he’s perfectly cast as is and wouldn’t want it to change. But he’s an expensive guy with too many variables for me to include in my player pool.

I believe on any other team he’d be an Anquan Bolden type WR1. Target hog YAC beast but with better deep speed than Bolden.

He’s 6’4, 220, and runs a 4.54 40

How is that not suited to WR1?

We just disagree but that’s cool.