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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (4 Viewers)

Nice thought process!!
Chip was quoted as saying he “was allowed to use 2 or 3 TE on the field at same time” so why not do it!
He was impressed with M Mayer early but recognized Bowers skill too.
As the one who traded away Brock Bowers, I felt the probability of regression was too high to ignore and just wanted to see what the market would be for him in trade value.
Very happy with return but time will tell and that is why we play this silly game!!
 
Woke up this morning to three different trade offers for BTJ. I'm really not inclined to trade him because this team is young, took 3rd last year, and will compete again this year. But, if I could parlay those assets into Chase/Jefferson, it could be worth it for this competitive window. Anyone have recent trade data on BTJ?
 
Woke up this morning to three different trade offers for BTJ. I'm really not inclined to trade him because this team is young, took 3rd last year, and will compete again this year. But, if I could parlay those assets into Chase/Jefferson, it could be worth it for this competitive window. Anyone have recent trade data on BTJ?
Late 2024 when BTJ was in the middle of his break out, I traded away BTJ and Late 1st for KWIII/Charbs & Brian Robinson and mid-2nd (Needed RB help for playoffs ... my primary weakness).
I have not seen anything recently.
 
Woke up this morning to three different trade offers for BTJ. I'm really not inclined to trade him because this team is young, took 3rd last year, and will compete again this year. But, if I could parlay those assets into Chase/Jefferson, it could be worth it for this competitive window. Anyone have recent trade data on BTJ?
Late 2024 when BTJ was in the middle of his break out, I traded away BTJ and Late 1st for KWIII/Charbs & Brian Robinson and mid-2nd (Needed RB help for playoffs ... my primary weakness).
I have not seen anything recently.
I know KTC gets crapped on but they recently added a trade database that similar to DLF's but this one is free...
https://keeptradecut.com/dynasty/trade-database
 
Woke up this morning to three different trade offers for BTJ. I'm really not inclined to trade him because this team is young, took 3rd last year, and will compete again this year. But, if I could parlay those assets into Chase/Jefferson, it could be worth it for this competitive window. Anyone have recent trade data on BTJ?
Late 2024 when BTJ was in the middle of his break out, I traded away BTJ and Late 1st for KWIII/Charbs & Brian Robinson and mid-2nd (Needed RB help for playoffs ... my primary weakness).
I have not seen anything recently.
I know KTC gets crapped on but they recently added a trade database that similar to DLF's but this one is free...
https://keeptradecut.com/dynasty/trade-database
Good data points. Thanks for pointing this feature out!
 
Is D'andre Swift a value right now? I know there is a lot of risk with him but he could end up the starting RB for the Bears. His value on KTC (i know I know) is about a mid 2026 second which is crazy value if he ends up the starting RB in CHI.

Pros
He knows Ben Johnson's offense inside and out from his time with the Lions which gives him a leg up on the starting role
His first 4years in the league he had solid YPC and production when he was on a good offense. CHI was turrible last year and the run game was not great. Offense should be improved this year
Very very cheap to acquire right now for a guy who has ~300 touches each of the last 2 years. If he gets 300 touches again this year he will outperform his ADP
He can fill that pass catching role as he did with the Lions where he had back to back 70+ targets


Cons
Ben Johnson and the Lions traded him away once already - it could happen again
CHI decides to sign a vet like Chubb or Dobbins early/mid season Swift could lose his job
CHI could go with a RBBC this year with Roschon but Roschon did not have a great year last year. But again CHI was bad so the whole running game could be improved.

Overall it is early in the offseason still and more changes could be coming but right now I see Swift as a value that I think I might try to acquire.
 
Is D'andre Swift a value right now? I know there is a lot of risk with him but he could end up the starting RB for the Bears. His value on KTC (i know I know) is about a mid 2026 second which is crazy value if he ends up the starting RB in CHI.

Pros
He knows Ben Johnson's offense inside and out from his time with the Lions which gives him a leg up on the starting role
His first 4years in the league he had solid YPC and production when he was on a good offense. CHI was turrible last year and the run game was not great. Offense should be improved this year
Very very cheap to acquire right now for a guy who has ~300 touches each of the last 2 years. If he gets 300 touches again this year he will outperform his ADP
He can fill that pass catching role as he did with the Lions where he had back to back 70+ targets


Cons
Ben Johnson and the Lions traded him away once already - it could happen again
CHI decides to sign a vet like Chubb or Dobbins early/mid season Swift could lose his job
CHI could go with a RBBC this year with Roschon but Roschon did not have a great year last year. But again CHI was bad so the whole running game could be improved.

Overall it is early in the offseason still and more changes could be coming but right now I see Swift as a value that I think I might try to acquire.
That first entry in the cons really stands out to me.
 
Is D'andre Swift a value right now? I know there is a lot of risk with him but he could end up the starting RB for the Bears. His value on KTC (i know I know) is about a mid 2026 second which is crazy value if he ends up the starting RB in CHI.

Pros
He knows Ben Johnson's offense inside and out from his time with the Lions which gives him a leg up on the starting role
His first 4years in the league he had solid YPC and production when he was on a good offense. CHI was turrible last year and the run game was not great. Offense should be improved this year
Very very cheap to acquire right now for a guy who has ~300 touches each of the last 2 years. If he gets 300 touches again this year he will outperform his ADP
He can fill that pass catching role as he did with the Lions where he had back to back 70+ targets


Cons
Ben Johnson and the Lions traded him away once already - it could happen again
CHI decides to sign a vet like Chubb or Dobbins early/mid season Swift could lose his job
CHI could go with a RBBC this year with Roschon but Roschon did not have a great year last year. But again CHI was bad so the whole running game could be improved.

Overall it is early in the offseason still and more changes could be coming but right now I see Swift as a value that I think I might try to acquire.
That first entry in the cons really stands out to me.
Yep for sure. It is a big issue for me but what if Ben Johnson liked him but it was the ownership or the HC who wanted Gibbs and it made Swift expendible.

No doubt the CONS are why he's so cheap right now, but if Ben rides him this year with 250 carries and another 60-70 targets he will do well for fantasy. I guess if we had all the answers this FF thing would be easy. I think Swift is at a point where he's worth the gamble. Maybe he gets traded to another team at some point - he just turned 26 and has a few years left. Second round pick for even a flex type RB2 that is in a committee seams reasonable.
 
Is D'andre Swift a value right now? I know there is a lot of risk with him but he could end up the starting RB for the Bears. His value on KTC (i know I know) is about a mid 2026 second which is crazy value if he ends up the starting RB in CHI.

Pros
He knows Ben Johnson's offense inside and out from his time with the Lions which gives him a leg up on the starting role
His first 4years in the league he had solid YPC and production when he was on a good offense. CHI was turrible last year and the run game was not great. Offense should be improved this year
Very very cheap to acquire right now for a guy who has ~300 touches each of the last 2 years. If he gets 300 touches again this year he will outperform his ADP
He can fill that pass catching role as he did with the Lions where he had back to back 70+ targets


Cons
Ben Johnson and the Lions traded him away once already - it could happen again
CHI decides to sign a vet like Chubb or Dobbins early/mid season Swift could lose his job
CHI could go with a RBBC this year with Roschon but Roschon did not have a great year last year. But again CHI was bad so the whole running game could be improved.

Overall it is early in the offseason still and more changes could be coming but right now I see Swift as a value that I think I might try to acquire.
That first entry in the cons really stands out to me.
Yep for sure. It is a big issue for me but what if Ben Johnson liked him but it was the ownership or the HC who wanted Gibbs and it made Swift expendible.

No doubt the CONS are why he's so cheap right now, but if Ben rides him this year with 250 carries and another 60-70 targets he will do well for fantasy. I guess if we had all the answers this FF thing would be easy. I think Swift is at a point where he's worth the gamble. Maybe he gets traded to another team at some point - he just turned 26 and has a few years left. Second round pick for even a flex type RB2 that is in a committee seams reasonable.
Good post. I never liked Swift’s game, but he is in a good position to contribute in FF.
 
Is D'andre Swift a value right now? I know there is a lot of risk with him but he could end up the starting RB for the Bears. His value on KTC (i know I know) is about a mid 2026 second which is crazy value if he ends up the starting RB in CHI.

Pros
He knows Ben Johnson's offense inside and out from his time with the Lions which gives him a leg up on the starting role
His first 4years in the league he had solid YPC and production when he was on a good offense. CHI was turrible last year and the run game was not great. Offense should be improved this year
Very very cheap to acquire right now for a guy who has ~300 touches each of the last 2 years. If he gets 300 touches again this year he will outperform his ADP
He can fill that pass catching role as he did with the Lions where he had back to back 70+ targets


Cons
Ben Johnson and the Lions traded him away once already - it could happen again
CHI decides to sign a vet like Chubb or Dobbins early/mid season Swift could lose his job
CHI could go with a RBBC this year with Roschon but Roschon did not have a great year last year. But again CHI was bad so the whole running game could be improved.

Overall it is early in the offseason still and more changes could be coming but right now I see Swift as a value that I think I might try to acquire.
That first entry in the cons really stands out to me.
Yep for sure. It is a big issue for me but what if Ben Johnson liked him but it was the ownership or the HC who wanted Gibbs and it made Swift expendible.

No doubt the CONS are why he's so cheap right now, but if Ben rides him this year with 250 carries and another 60-70 targets he will do well for fantasy. I guess if we had all the answers this FF thing would be easy. I think Swift is at a point where he's worth the gamble. Maybe he gets traded to another team at some point - he just turned 26 and has a few years left. Second round pick for even a flex type RB2 that is in a committee seams reasonable.
Good post. I never liked Swift’s game, but he is in a good position to contribute in FF.
I was all in on Swift early and then traded him away and was out. Now at his current value (2nd rounder) I think I'm back in. I'm always looking for values.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Both are good sells if you are trying to move on and don't need the points. If I was contender I would 100% keep Goff. First thing you will need to do if you trade Goff is to find a replacement as good as him and that is very tough to do, as you need to find a willing partner selling a good QB. Careful with this one if you need QBs still.

Metcalf is a different story as you can probably trade for another WR2 somewhere along the way. If you are contending Metcalf + a pick/player to tier up is a move I would do. Rebuilding I'm find with getting max value (young stud prospect or a pick). Just don't sell for peanuts just because. While the situation isn't great he's still a good WR. Early season after a big game you could sell/package him up and move him for good value at that time.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Both are good sells if you are trying to move on and don't need the points. If I was contender I would 100% keep Goff. First thing you will need to do if you trade Goff is to find a replacement as good as him and that is very tough to do, as you need to find a willing partner selling a good QB. Careful with this one if you need QBs still.

Eh, even if rebuilding I don't see why that would put Goff on the chopping block.

He's 30. A 30 year old QB has roughly the same career left as a 23 year old RB. Maybe more if he's one of the QBs that plays into their late 30's/early 40's.

Are rebuilders trying to sell Treyveon Henderson because he's too old and only has 5-7 years left? So why do they do it with QBs? That's one that always befuddles me.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
Cook is a good candidate. I moved him in a couple of leagues late last year and in one spot earlier this year. I like Cook, drafted him everywhere, and I am down to maybe 20% exposure across my teams now.

I want to be out a year or two early on players before their trade value plummets. I can use the draft picks I gain later in the season if I'm competing to secure points on my championship runs. It's all about competing and having trade flexibility with your roster. I rarely end up with the D. Adams, Evans, Kupp's unless I can't move them, get them cheap after their value has cratered, or I'm a contender buying later in the season.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Both are good sells if you are trying to move on and don't need the points. If I was contender I would 100% keep Goff. First thing you will need to do if you trade Goff is to find a replacement as good as him and that is very tough to do, as you need to find a willing partner selling a good QB. Careful with this one if you need QBs still.

Metcalf is a different story as you can probably trade for another WR2 somewhere along the way. If you are contending Metcalf + a pick/player to tier up is a move I would do. Rebuilding I'm find with getting max value (young stud prospect or a pick). Just don't sell for peanuts just because. While the situation isn't great he's still a good WR. Early season after a big game you could sell/package him up and move him for good value at that time.
Moving Goff is more about diversification, or I have depth and want to sell high. I had a lot of exposure to him and want to lessen it at the top of his market value. Goff is a great superflex QB and should age well.

Metcalf's value has always been overblown. He never reached the "elite" tier, is closer to 30, and has a little buzz going to Pitt. I'd rather add draft picks or pivot to guys like Addison, Olave, or Odunze where I can. I'll hold if I can't get decent value.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Both are good sells if you are trying to move on and don't need the points. If I was contender I would 100% keep Goff. First thing you will need to do if you trade Goff is to find a replacement as good as him and that is very tough to do, as you need to find a willing partner selling a good QB. Careful with this one if you need QBs still.

Eh, even if rebuilding I don't see why that would put Goff on the chopping block.

He's 30. A 30 year old QB has roughly the same career left as a 23 year old RB. Maybe more if he's one of the QBs that plays into their late 30's/early 40's.

Are rebuilders trying to sell Treyveon Henderson because he's too old and only has 5-7 years left? So why do they do it with QBs? That's one that always befuddles me.
It's not about moving Goff for the sake of moving Goff. It's about getting value, diversifying if you have a lot of exposure, or moving him if you have a lot of QB depth.

For example, I have one superflex team with Purdy, Goff, Young, and Arich (bought for 2.04, 3.09). I don't mind rolling with Purdy and company and adding a 1st, 2nd, 3rd that I got for Goff for flexibility later in the season if I'm contending. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd have a lot more trade flexibility than someone like Goff will in that scenario. Dynasty rookie picks are GOLD and allow you options.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
What were you looking to get for Cook? I thought about trading him too, but not so worried about contract, and that offense puts up the stats. I was hoping to package him and a rookie TE for a decent WR, but really never chased any opportunities.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Both are good sells if you are trying to move on and don't need the points. If I was contender I would 100% keep Goff. First thing you will need to do if you trade Goff is to find a replacement as good as him and that is very tough to do, as you need to find a willing partner selling a good QB. Careful with this one if you need QBs still.

Eh, even if rebuilding I don't see why that would put Goff on the chopping block.

He's 30. A 30 year old QB has roughly the same career left as a 23 year old RB. Maybe more if he's one of the QBs that plays into their late 30's/early 40's.

Are rebuilders trying to sell Treyveon Henderson because he's too old and only has 5-7 years left? So why do they do it with QBs? That's one that always befuddles me.
It just depends on how much of a rebuild you are in. Are you wanting a top 1-3 pick? Having Goff might score you enough pts to push you too mid first round depending on your team. As an example: If you can trade Goff to a contender in a package deal who picked up Dart in the late first then that is something I might look to do. Wilson will start the year and Dart can sit on your bench and helps keeps your point total low. I do agree though if you are rebuilding with an outside shot at making playoffs and a run and are OK with a mid first pick then sure you can hold Goff.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
Both can likely net you more value wise once they are scoring points early in the season. One big game early for Hock and you can make a deal if you need to trade him.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
What were you looking to get for Cook? I thought about trading him too, but not so worried about contract, and that offense puts up the stats. I was hoping to package him and a rookie TE for a decent WR, but really never chased any opportunities.
For Cook I was looking for future picks. I think last year was probably a career year and was worried BUF would not extend him.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
Both can likely net you more value wise once they are scoring points early in the season. One big game early for Hock and you can make a deal if you need to trade him.
I thought after the season Cook had it was a good time to put out feelers, nobody seemed remotely interested though.
 
What would be the going value in a SF Dynasty league for Devante Adams. I need another fantasy producer to run it back and Adams seems like a good bet in that offense with Stafford. I doubt second round pick will get it done but 2 seconds seems much. Not sure throwing in a 3rd offers much additional value.....

Maybe a second and a prospect.
 
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was looking to
I've started selling Goff (superflex) and Metcalf, where I can get a good return. I doubt either value will be higher than it is now and they're creeping into that age where you'll lose flexibility in the trade market.

Which players are you trying to sell this offseason?
Was trying to sell James Cook after last season but no bites, now with the contract issue he will be held. Put Hockenson out there but zero interest (understandable coming off an injury recovering season, but could not give him away).
Both can likely net you more value wise once they are scoring points early in the season. One big game early for Hock and you can make a deal if you need to trade him.
I thought after the season Cook had it was a good time to put out feelers, nobody seemed remotely interested though.
It's weird. Cook's market has been small. I've moved him in a few places but it's taken a lot of work.
 
What would be the going value in a SF Dynasty league for Devante Adams. I need another fantasy producer to run it back and Adams seems like a good bet in that offense with Stafford. I doubt second round pick will get it done but 2 seconds seems much. Not sure throwing in a 3rd offers much additional value.....

Maybe a second and a prospect.
You might be able to get him for a top-half second. The cost will depend on the Adams owners team. It'll take more if they're contenders.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
Same. No way I’m giving a 1st for Shakir. It’s probably fair for Moore, but I’d rather spend that 1st in a different way, or simply hold.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
Same. No way I’m giving a 1st for Shakir. It’s probably fair for Moore, but I’d rather spend that 1st in a different way, or simply hold.
I wouldn’t give a first for either, especially Shakir.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
Same. No way I’m giving a 1st for Shakir. It’s probably fair for Moore, but I’d rather spend that 1st in a different way, or simply hold.
Yeah, no way for Shakir. I thought Moore was a "fair" deal. But OK with him turning it down.

Also, this was a 2026 1st, not 2025
 
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Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
Same. No way I’m giving a 1st for Shakir. It’s probably fair for Moore, but I’d rather spend that 1st in a different way, or simply hold.
I wouldn’t give a first for either, especially Shakir.
Shakir is a guy you’re ecstatic that you got for dirt cheap or held on to over his first few unproductive years. And now you have a nice value as your WR3 or WR4.

Or he’s a guy that you’re pissed off about cuz you rostered him since his rookie year in 3 of your 4 short-bench dynasty leagues, but you reluctantly dropped him at cut-down last year only to see him finally produce on someone else’s roster.

;)
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
Same. No way I’m giving a 1st for Shakir. It’s probably fair for Moore, but I’d rather spend that 1st in a different way, or simply hold.
I wouldn’t give a first for either, especially Shakir.
Shakir is a guy you’re ecstatic that you got for dirt cheap or held on to over his first few unproductive years. And now you have a nice value as your WR3 or WR4.

Or he’s a guy that you’re pissed off about cuz you rostered him since his rookie year in 3 of your 4 short-bench dynasty leagues, but you reluctantly dropped him at cut-down last year only to see him finally produce on someone else’s roster.

;)
You say that as if it applies to me. I’ve never rostered either player.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
I prefer a 2026 1st over both of those players mentioned fwiw.
Same. No way I’m giving a 1st for Shakir. It’s probably fair for Moore, but I’d rather spend that 1st in a different way, or simply hold.
I wouldn’t give a first for either, especially Shakir.
Shakir is a guy you’re ecstatic that you got for dirt cheap or held on to over his first few unproductive years. And now you have a nice value as your WR3 or WR4.

Or he’s a guy that you’re pissed off about cuz you rostered him since his rookie year in 3 of your 4 short-bench dynasty leagues, but you reluctantly dropped him at cut-down last year only to see him finally produce on someone else’s roster.

;)
You say that as if it applies to me. I’ve never rostered either player.

I said it as what I thought was an obvious reference to my own personal dynasty teams.
 
Put out some feelers for a WR in a 12 teamer and got offered Shakir for a 2026 1st rounder. Countered with a 1st rounder for DJ Moore which I thought was fair for a 28 year old receiver. Probably be around pick 7-8 next year realistically. Took over this team a few months ago. Declined outright. Kind of surprised.
1st for Shakir is too expensive as you say. Shakir went for a 2nd and a 4th in our league.

DJM is a reasonable target for a 1st. I wouldn't go any higher personally. Seems reasonable depending on league - fairly even on KTC too.
Shakir is a better IRL player than a fantasy asset. Shoot higher if you're moving a future 1st this early.

Why do owners trade future 1st's this early in the year? If you have to trade your first for depth now to contend, you aren't a true contender. Hold onto your pick (insurance), work the waiver wire, make some smaller moves, and IF you can compete and want to go for it, move your first later in the year for a non-injured piece or a blue chip vet on a non-competing team. There's nothing worse than trading a future 1st this early, you run into injuries, and you're screwed with no insurance. That's a quick ticket to the bottom of your leagues.
 
Get he’s older but a backend 1st in an already downplayed draft class for DJM wouldn’t do it for me as an owner (unless I’m in full rebuild or SF league). Rather hold and see what effect the new offensive oriented coaching does at that return.
 
If I have a good team, I'm keeping DJ Moore and hoping Ben Johnson unlocks more upside. If my team isn't very good, I would trade him for a late first which is the equivalent of Egbuka or Golden instead of letting Moore age out before my team is good again.
 
If I have a good team, I'm keeping DJ Moore and hoping Ben Johnson unlocks more upside. If my team isn't very good, I would trade him for a late first which is the equivalent of Egbuka or Golden instead of letting Moore age out before my team is good again.
I had the exact opportunity but I shifted to Odunze instead of DJ Moore. While I think DJ is still worth late 1st, “IF” I am competitive I keep DJ
 
What is Mark Andrews worth in 2 PPR TE scoring leagues? It's a dynasty's best ball league, and you can start up to four TEs. For context, Andrews would've been the WR12 last year in scoring.
 
What is Mark Andrews worth in 2 PPR TE scoring leagues? It's a dynasty's best ball league, and you can start up to four TEs. For context, Andrews would've been the WR12 last year in scoring.
Criminally underrated. In that scoring system probably worth a 26 mid 1st or more. Dude has 3-4 more years of te1 production regardless of where he is next season.
 
Just declined the 1st offer I’ve ever received that included Justin Jefferson.
16 team league, SF, PPR, TEP, IDP

I give: Herbert+Nico+Stevenson+2027 7th
I get: Jefferson+Strange+Geno Smith

Not sure why I’m the one giving up any picks in this offer, but yeah. lol. I’m not a big Geno Smith guy, and I’m a huge Herbert & Nico guy. I see the drop from Herbert to Geno as substantially greater than the bump from Nico to JJ.

My WRs are Nico, Lamb, AJB, Addison, Diggs, Palmer, couple scrubs.

Am I undervaluing JJ? Felt like a big overpay for me to give up my QB1 (my QB2 is JJM) and drop from Herbert to Geno (who, again, I am not a big fan of)
 
Just declined the 1st offer I’ve ever received that included Justin Jefferson.
16 team league, SF, PPR, TEP, IDP

I give: Herbert+Nico+Stevenson+2027 7th
I get: Jefferson+Strange+Geno Smith

Not sure why I’m the one giving up any picks in this offer, but yeah. lol. I’m not a big Geno Smith guy, and I’m a huge Herbert & Nico guy. I see the drop from Herbert to Geno as substantially greater than the bump from Nico to JJ.

My WRs are Nico, Lamb, AJB, Addison, Diggs, Palmer, couple scrubs.

Am I undervaluing JJ? Felt like a big overpay for me to give up my QB1 (my QB2 is JJM) and drop from Herbert to Geno (who, again, I am not a big fan of)

This is essentially Nico/Herbert for JJ. The rest is just noise.

I think it's a totally fair offer, but it's tough to give up two top 10ish players at two different positions so I definitely understand your hesitation. It's the kind of trade you only make if you have a top team that is really deep and you're mainly looking to upgrade your starters. I think your WRs meet that, but I don't know what your QBs are.

I think the trap people get caught in sometimes is just looking at the scoring difference between a guy like Nico and a guy like JJ. But I think the bigger difference is that JJ is as close to a lock to continue putting up elite numbers as you can find, whereas Nico is the kind of guy that could end up being a flash in the pan like so many before him that have had a couple of good seasons and then fallen off badly. That last part is something I think people overlook often in FF, the chance that a "pretty good" player can become totally irrelevant, real fast.

That's what I think makes it fair, but I would totally get sticking with Herbert/Nico as it's a lot to give up.

EDIT: I just noticed it's 16 teams and I would assume that massively increases the value of QBs, so with that in mind I think it would be an overpay (my response was assuming a 12 team league). In 16 team SF a guy like Herbert probably has insane value near JJ's by himself.
 
Just declined the 1st offer I’ve ever received that included Justin Jefferson.
16 team league, SF, PPR, TEP, IDP

I give: Herbert+Nico+Stevenson+2027 7th
I get: Jefferson+Strange+Geno Smith

Not sure why I’m the one giving up any picks in this offer, but yeah. lol. I’m not a big Geno Smith guy, and I’m a huge Herbert & Nico guy. I see the drop from Herbert to Geno as substantially greater than the bump from Nico to JJ.

My WRs are Nico, Lamb, AJB, Addison, Diggs, Palmer, couple scrubs.

Am I undervaluing JJ? Felt like a big overpay for me to give up my QB1 (my QB2 is JJM) and drop from Herbert to Geno (who, again, I am not a big fan of)
I know that had to hurt!! But it was not an unreasonable offer.
IMO, Geno is a stop gap 2 year QB while Herbert is dynasty asset. Nico is not a far drop from JJ. The 16 team aspect makes it that much more significant for QB drop.
Is there a different QB option than Geno?
 

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