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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (9 Viewers)

Judkins. Where do we value him with this stuff in terms of rookie pick? He's obviously probably going to be behind the 5 RBs, top 2 WR, top 2 TE. Is he a late 1st or slides behind more RB like even Skattebo in round 2 now?
Today I'd put him as RB6 and overall 11.

Was RB4 and overall 6.

Playing out some scenarios.

If I knew for sure that he was going to get 6 games to start the season, no commissioner exempt list, then I'd move him back to where I had him before.

If I knew for sure he was going to miss the entire season he'd still be RB6, depending on the team would move down as low as overall 13.
 
My draft pauses for a few weeks after each round.
What a rage-inducing way to draft.
I wonder what the reasoning is? I would hate that.
It's the only dynasty league I've ever been in that does it and I honestly kind of like it. It gives a little bit of time for some of the mid round guys to unearth with a few extra weeks of offseason/camp news.
Keeping people engaged for a lot longer and it’s more difficult dancing around everyone’s schedule. From a commissioner perspective it seems a hassle. After all people have lives to live. That would be horrible.
 
My draft pauses for a few weeks after each round.
What a rage-inducing way to draft.
I wonder what the reasoning is? I would hate that.
It's the only dynasty league I've ever been in that does it and I honestly kind of like it. It gives a little bit of time for some of the mid round guys to unearth with a few extra weeks of offseason/camp news.
Keeping people engaged for a lot longer and it’s more difficult dancing around everyone’s schedule. From a commissioner perspective it seems a hassle. After all people have lives to live. That would be horrible.
slow drafts really aren't intrusive on people's schedules
 
My draft pauses for a few weeks after each round.
What a rage-inducing way to draft.
I wonder what the reasoning is? I would hate that.
It's the only dynasty league I've ever been in that does it and I honestly kind of like it. It gives a little bit of time for some of the mid round guys to unearth with a few extra weeks of offseason/camp news.
Keeping people engaged for a lot longer and it’s more difficult dancing around everyone’s schedule. From a commissioner perspective it seems a hassle. After all people have lives to live. That would be horrible.
slow drafts really aren't intrusive on people's schedules
What can be intrusive is spreading it out with weeks between rounds. More chances it gets in the way of someone’s vacation. When you schedule a draft on a certain date, starting it, and finishing it, people can schedule their vacations easier. But if it is good for your league, that’s all that matters. I just know I wouldn’t do it in the leagues I commish.
 
My draft pauses for a few weeks after each round.
What a rage-inducing way to draft.
I wonder what the reasoning is? I would hate that.
It's the only dynasty league I've ever been in that does it and I honestly kind of like it. It gives a little bit of time for some of the mid round guys to unearth with a few extra weeks of offseason/camp news.
Keeping people engaged for a lot longer and it’s more difficult dancing around everyone’s schedule. From a commissioner perspective it seems a hassle. After all people have lives to live. That would be horrible.
slow drafts really aren't intrusive on people's schedules
What can be intrusive is spreading it out with weeks between rounds. More chances it gets in the way of someone’s vacation. When you schedule a draft on a certain date, starting it, and finishing it, people can schedule their vacations easier. But if it is good for your league, that’s all that matters. I just know I wouldn’t do it in the leagues I commish.
I would hate that format too
 
My draft pauses for a few weeks after each round.
What a rage-inducing way to draft.
I wonder what the reasoning is? I would hate that.
It's the only dynasty league I've ever been in that does it and I honestly kind of like it. It gives a little bit of time for some of the mid round guys to unearth with a few extra weeks of offseason/camp news.
Keeping people engaged for a lot longer and it’s more difficult dancing around everyone’s schedule. From a commissioner perspective it seems a hassle. After all people have lives to live. That would be horrible.
slow drafts really aren't intrusive on people's schedules
More chances it gets in the way of someone’s vacation. When you schedule a draft on a certain date, starting it, and finishing it, people can schedule their vacations easier
Well, there is this thing called a Smart Phone :hifive:

Wouldn't be a big fan of it myself, but as long as it's a slow draft, I would think most people can handle it even on vacation. Not like it takes hours to make a decision.
 
My draft pauses for a few weeks after each round.
What a rage-inducing way to draft.
I wonder what the reasoning is? I would hate that.
It's the only dynasty league I've ever been in that does it and I honestly kind of like it. It gives a little bit of time for some of the mid round guys to unearth with a few extra weeks of offseason/camp news.
Keeping people engaged for a lot longer and it’s more difficult dancing around everyone’s schedule. From a commissioner perspective it seems a hassle. After all people have lives to live. That would be horrible.
slow drafts really aren't intrusive on people's schedules
More chances it gets in the way of someone’s vacation. When you schedule a draft on a certain date, starting it, and finishing it, people can schedule their vacations easier
Well, there is this thing called a Smart Phone :hifive:

Wouldn't be a big fan of it myself, but as long as it's a slow draft, I would think most people can handle it even on vacation. Not like it takes hours to make a decision.
Weeks between rounds wouldn’t be my cup of tea, but I can respect what’s good for others.
 
12 team SF PPR TEP+

Which side:
A. Pickens+Mark Andrews
B. Charbonnet+2026 1st+Slayton
If it’s a late first I’d take the Pickens side, but I hate rostering bucket heads like him.
Expected to be late, yes.

And yeah, rostering knuckleheads is not my favorite thing. And this team already has Rashee Rice.

Wonder if AB is a FA? I could add him as a good luck charm. 🤔
 
Judkins. Where do we value him with this stuff in terms of rookie pick? He's obviously probably going to be behind the 5 RBs, top 2 WR, top 2 TE. Is he a late 1st or slides behind more RB like even Skattebo in round 2 now?
Today I'd put him as RB6 and overall 11.

Was RB4 and overall 6.

Playing out some scenarios.

If I knew for sure that he was going to get 6 games to start the season, no commissioner exempt list, then I'd move him back to where I had him before.

If I knew for sure he was going to miss the entire season he'd still be RB6, depending on the team would move down as low as overall 13.

Nice range. He went 1.11 and 1.13 in 2 recent slow drafts I am in. I didn’t know if I was taking him at 1.14 in that 2nd but decision was made.
 
12 team SF PPR TEP+

Which side:
A. Pickens+Mark Andrews
B. Charbonnet+2026 1st+Slayton
If it’s a late first I’d take the Pickens side, but I hate rostering bucket heads like him.
lol. I was going to say that if you swap out Pickens for a bag of chips, then I’d prefer the Andrews side ;)

#NoSharesOfPickensWanted
He’s the piece I’m most interested in long-term. The dude can play.

Now I’m worried he’s gonna rub off his craziness on Lamb. :oldunsure:

Turns out this dude is a Dallas fan, so getting this deal done is proving challenging. I feel like he should take it. He’s tempted to. But I can’t get Andrews unless I give up Charbs. And I don’t wanna give up Charbs unless I can get a young upside player back.

So we’re at an impasse.
 
12 team SF PPR TEP+

Which side:
A. Pickens+Mark Andrews
B. Charbonnet+2026 1st+Slayton
If it’s a late first I’d take the Pickens side, but I hate rostering bucket heads like him.
lol. I was going to say that if you swap out Pickens for a bag of chips, then I’d prefer the Andrews side ;)

#NoSharesOfPickensWanted
He’s the piece I’m most interested in long-term. The dude can play.

Now I’m worried he’s gonna rub off his craziness on Lamb. :oldunsure:

Turns out this dude is a Dallas fan, so getting this deal done is proving challenging. I feel like he should take it. He’s tempted to. But I can’t get Andrews unless I give up Charbs. And I don’t wanna give up Charbs unless I can get a young upside player back.

So we’re at an impasse.
Yeah, Pickens makes the most sensational catches on a regular basis, and having a guy like that on your team as you watch him play is :moneybag:

That said, having a bucket head on your team the rest of the year is just a massive headache.
 
I’m considering a big boy trade offer…

Send: Justin Jefferson, Jeanty, Jonathan Brooks
Receive: Ja’marr Chase, KW3, Quinshon Judkins

I’m a frequent trader but usually on the margins. Thoughts on this one?
I would not do that. What are you gaining?
Agreed. JJ to Chase is a slight slight upgrade, perhaps a push.
Jeanty to KW3 is a huge downgrade imho and not worth the gains from Brooks to Judkins.
 
I’m considering a big boy trade offer…

Send: Justin Jefferson, Jeanty, Jonathan Brooks
Receive: Ja’marr Chase, KW3, Quinshon Judkins

I’m a frequent trader but usually on the margins. Thoughts on this one?
Love Chase more than most but I would not make this deal.
Looks like it is unanimous. I saw JJ to Chase as an upgrade that wasn’t insignificant and I am also bullish on KW3. But losing 3 years at RB is a big deal. I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth.
 
I’m considering a big boy trade offer…

Send: Justin Jefferson, Jeanty, Jonathan Brooks
Receive: Ja’marr Chase, KW3, Quinshon Judkins

I’m a frequent trader but usually on the margins. Thoughts on this one?
Love Chase more than most but I would not make this deal.
Looks like it is unanimous. I saw JJ to Chase as an upgrade that wasn’t insignificant and I am also bullish on KW3. But losing 3 years at RB is a big deal. I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth.

Had Judkins not had his issues would agree but not now.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
Yeah, for the suggested deal I was looking at it from a pure value perspective.

I feel like Jeanty is worth more the Judkins+KW, especially in light of the DV issues.

Since I have Chase & JJ at roughly the same value, I don’t love the deal.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.

It's a fair concern but also worth noting he did perform well in limited opportunities against stronger competition.

500 yards rushing in 3 games against ranked teams this past year (Oregon, Penn St, UNLV).
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.

It's a fair concern but also worth noting he did perform well in limited opportunities against stronger competition.

500 yards rushing in 3 games against ranked teams this past year (Oregon, Penn St, UNLV).
I don’t have any real concerns about Jeanty, but I do think that there is a good chance he has a solid but unspectacular year and gets the MHJ treatment from a value standpoint. I think Bijan was a top ten RB his rookie year and many folks were getting antsy. I’m expecting Jeanty to finish in that RB8-12 range, or even a little lower if he isn’t used as much in the passing game.
 
I would definitely not make that deal. Walker might cede work to Charbonnet and Judkins allegedly beat a woman. Run as far away from that offer as possible.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.

It's a fair concern but also worth noting he did perform well in limited opportunities against stronger competition.

500 yards rushing in 3 games against ranked teams this past year (Oregon, Penn St, UNLV).
I don’t have any real concerns about Jeanty, but I do think that there is a good chance he has a solid but unspectacular year and gets the MHJ treatment from a value standpoint. I think Bijan was a top ten RB his rookie year and many folks were getting antsy. I’m expecting Jeanty to finish in that RB8-12 range, or even a little lower if he isn’t used as much in the passing game.

That is fine but that is still likely a better situation than Walker/Judkins.

Ew no.

I roster Chase and he got me to the finals nearly kicking and screaming that I didn’t belong and let’s get a draft pick. Nope. He, BJT, Davante, and Ladd weren’t having it, but Chase now has Higgins again (who got paid and will be more 1B) as opposed to Jefferson who now has McCarthy, that pass-happy coach, and is undisputed 1.

Don’t get fleeced.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.

It's a fair concern but also worth noting he did perform well in limited opportunities against stronger competition.

500 yards rushing in 3 games against ranked teams this past year (Oregon, Penn St, UNLV).
I don’t have any real concerns about Jeanty, but I do think that there is a good chance he has a solid but unspectacular year and gets the MHJ treatment from a value standpoint. I think Bijan was a top ten RB his rookie year and many folks were getting antsy. I’m expecting Jeanty to finish in that RB8-12 range, or even a little lower if he isn’t used as much in the passing game.

That is fine but that is still likely a better situation than Walker/Judkins.

Ew no.

I roster Chase and he got me to the finals nearly kicking and screaming that I didn’t belong and let’s get a draft pick. Nope. He, BJT, Davante, and Ladd weren’t having it, but Chase now has Higgins again (who got paid and will be more 1B) as opposed to Jefferson who now has McCarthy, that pass-happy coach, and is undisputed 1.

Don’t get fleeced.
Chase just outscored JJ by FIVE points per game. He will likely come back to earth a bit, but I see JJ slipping more. New QB, improved running game and the defense looks like they could take another step forward.
But…I appreciate the feedback. This trade is not the way. Upgrading to chase or taking a flyer on judkins doesn’t need to come at the cost of Jeanty.
 
Chase just outscored JJ by FIVE points per game

Wow. That is a lot. But Chase outscored everybody by oodles last year. Chase is awesome, but I just wonder what his numbers will be like when Tee's there. Burrow looks for Tee a lot when Tee isn't hurt. But that's still a lot and I was unaware of how significant it was.
 
Chase just outscored JJ by FIVE points per game

Wow. That is a lot. But Chase outscored everybody by oodles last year. Chase is awesome, but I just wonder what his numbers will be like when Tee's there. Burrow looks for Tee a lot when Tee isn't hurt. But that's still a lot and I was unaware of how significant it was.
Yeah, I mean, you don’t get his points from last year when you trade for him.
 
Chase just outscored JJ by FIVE points per game

Wow. That is a lot. But Chase outscored everybody by oodles last year. Chase is awesome, but I just wonder what his numbers will be like when Tee's there. Burrow looks for Tee a lot when Tee isn't hurt. But that's still a lot and I was unaware of how significant it was.
Chase is a year younger and is attached to Burrow. While it's very close, I give the edge to Chase for dynasty.
 
Chase just outscored JJ by FIVE points per game

Wow. That is a lot. But Chase outscored everybody by oodles last year. Chase is awesome, but I just wonder what his numbers will be like when Tee's there. Burrow looks for Tee a lot when Tee isn't hurt. But that's still a lot and I was unaware of how significant it was.

Small sample size but Chase's 3 worst fantasy games were ones without Higgins in the lineup: week 1, 2, & 9 avg about 10PPG. He had a good fantasy game in week 8 (9 for 58 & 1TD) and an absolute monster, best game of the year in week 10 (11 for 264 & 3TD's against the Ravens.)
 
Chase is a year younger and is attached to Burrow. While it's very close, I give the edge to Chase for dynasty.
Oh sure, me too. But not so much I’d give up Jeanty + JJ for him.

That said I tried to give up Rashee + 2x 1sts for him & dude balked. :shrug:
Oh yeah I don't think I would make either offers. Chase is a higher in my estimate but for dynasty, I don't think the expense it would cost to upgrade from JJ to Chase is worth it. Anyone turning down Rice and 2 firsts to fo from Chase to JJ is insane though.
 
Anyone turning down Rice and 2 firsts to go from Chase to JJ is insane though.
Wait, no - it was Rice + 2x 1sts for Chase.

JJ uninvolved.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh that makes way more sense.
I still think the value was right. I have Chase in a league & I’d have a hard time rejecting that.
It is a good value but when you have a superstud like Chase it's hard to part ways. Also if he is thinking he's in win now mode then the trade does hurt that.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.
(Lack of) college competition, size, no official 40 times. I prefer prototypical sized RBs like Hampton. Yes, he played well vs the 3 top teams he played against, but I just have to wonder how he would have faired in the SEC vs real competition every Saturday. That kind of wear takes it's toll for better or worse.
 
I would have certainly done this before the Judkins mess, for what it’s worth
I probably wouldn’t then either. I still see Jeanty as much more value than KWIII+Judkins even without the legal shenanigans.
I'm not a Jeanty fan, like at all, but he has a ton more value than KWIII and Judkins (before or after legal mess).
What's your beef with Jeanty? Mine is the level of competition he faced in college.
(Lack of) college competition, size, no official 40 times. I prefer prototypical sized RBs like Hampton. Yes, he played well vs the 3 top teams he played against, but I just have to wonder how he would have faired in the SEC vs real competition every Saturday. That kind of wear takes it's toll for better or worse.

Just for fun...

PlayerHeightWeightRushing Yards
Tony Dorsett5'11"192 lbs12,739
Walter Payton5'10"200 lbs16,726
Barry Sanders5'8"203 lbs15,269
Curtis Martin5'11"210 lbs14,101
Emmitt Smith5'9"210 lbs18,355
Ashton Jeanty5'8.5"211 lbs???????
Frank Gore 5'9"212 lbs16,000
LaDainian Tomlinson5'10"215 lbs13,684
Adrian Peterson6'1"220 lbs14,918
Eric Dickerson6'3"220 lbs13,259
Jerome Bettis5'11"252 lbs13,662

It’s actually pretty interesting that there isn’t more convergence in size at the top.

Meanwhile...

PlayerHeightWeightRushing Yards
Trent Richardson5'9"228 lbs2,032
Ki-Jana Carter5'10"222 lbs1,144
Lawrence Phillips6'0"224 lbs1,453
Rashaan Salaam6'1"225 lbs1,684
Ron Dayne5'10"250 lbs3,722
William Green6'0"215 lbs2,109
Christine Michael5'10"220 lbs1,089
Rashaad Penny5'11"220 lbs1,951
Richie Anderson6'2"215 lbs318
Chris Perry6'0"224 lbs606
Curtis Enis6'0"242 lbs1,497
 
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