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Edge and Hightower: Updated with links (1 Viewer)

Hightower and Green-Ellis are exactly the same player.

#3 type RB's from a talent perspective with #1 touches for now.

Neither will have much longevity. A good game here and there until they lose the job.

It doesn't make them bad players, but they are what they are. Career back-up types.

 
Hightower and Green-Ellis are exactly the same player.#3 type RB's from a talent perspective with #1 touches for now.Neither will have much longevity. A good game here and there until they lose the job.It doesn't make them bad players, but they are what they are. Career back-up types.
:lmao: This isn't close.BJGE is more likely to be Sam Gado than not.TH had been talked about since training camp, was getting plenty of carries in his first few games and just took the job from a healthy EJ. Does well as a pass catching and pass protection back as well. He looks like a complete RB, and should be a solid RB in the NFL for years. You can't say the same for BJGE.
 
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Hightower and Green-Ellis are exactly the same player.#3 type RB's from a talent perspective with #1 touches for now.Neither will have much longevity. A good game here and there until they lose the job.It doesn't make them bad players, but they are what they are. Career back-up types.
:yes: This isn't close.BJGE is more likely to be Sam Gado than not.TH had been talked about since training camp, was getting plenty of carries in his first few games and just took the job from a healthy EJ. Does well as a pass catching and pass protection back as well. He looks like a complete RB, and should be a solid RB in the NFL for years. You can't say the same for BJGE.
My eyes tell me something very different than your eyes apparently.That's cool. I won't argue the point. It's what makes this hobby fun.
 
I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
 
I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
The reason Edge has not played is because he ripped the coaching staff.
 
it is hard to judge from last night since Warner was in the shotgun most of the game. When he was under center they ran and it was too obvious. You could always tell which plays were going to be running plays. They really did not commit to the run at all this game so we will have to wait until next week to really get a look at HIghtower.

 
I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
The reason Edge has not played is because he ripped the coaching staff.
:confused: Any link at all to something like this? Whis. said Hightower earned it, it was better for the team, and there are other similar statements around.
 
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I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
The reason Edge has not played is because he ripped the coaching staff.
:goodposting: Any link at all to something like this? Whis. said Hightower earned it, it was better for the team, and there are other similar statements around.
Perhaps this from around October 22?http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...2cards1023.html

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I'm just here, just going to ride it out and get to the playoffs and, hey, that may be it right there."

"I don't want to just be on a team; I like to play," he said. "If I'm not playing, it's not serving a purpose. What purpose is it serving? I don't want to feel like I'm selfish but you want to play.

"Hey, I still got years in me, I know that. I can still play some ball. I ain't worried."

James knows he's not much of a threat to go 70 yards. The Cardinals should have known it, too, when they signed him.

"When I came here, I came a certain way," he said. "I wasn't going to hit no 70, 80 (yards). I was going to non-stop grind, make my plays and keep wearing a team out.

"That's what I've always done and now it's like I'm supposed to be Superman. You want to have success, you want to do things and that's the most frustrating thing, I know I can play, I know I'm a good player."

"I don't want to seem like I'm bad-mouthing the system," James said. "I've never been somebody to just go off on somebody. I don't want this to appear negative because that's not my style."

But this offensive system, he said, is "totally different" from the one he expected the Cardinals would use when he signed in 2006. "And I have to take all the criticism," he said.

 
I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
The reason Edge has not played is because he ripped the coaching staff.
:moneybag: Any link at all to something like this? Whis. said Hightower earned it, it was better for the team, and there are other similar statements around.
Perhaps this from around October 22?http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...2cards1023.html

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I'm just here, just going to ride it out and get to the playoffs and, hey, that may be it right there."

"I don't want to just be on a team; I like to play," he said. "If I'm not playing, it's not serving a purpose. What purpose is it serving? I don't want to feel like I'm selfish but you want to play.

"Hey, I still got years in me, I know that. I can still play some ball. I ain't worried."

James knows he's not much of a threat to go 70 yards. The Cardinals should have known it, too, when they signed him.

"When I came here, I came a certain way," he said. "I wasn't going to hit no 70, 80 (yards). I was going to non-stop grind, make my plays and keep wearing a team out.

"That's what I've always done and now it's like I'm supposed to be Superman. You want to have success, you want to do things and that's the most frustrating thing, I know I can play, I know I'm a good player."

"I don't want to seem like I'm bad-mouthing the system," James said. "I've never been somebody to just go off on somebody. I don't want this to appear negative because that's not my style."

But this offensive system, he said, is "totally different" from the one he expected the Cardinals would use when he signed in 2006. "And I have to take all the criticism," he said.
Players say this a lot, and much harsher things and they aren't yanked. Why would this be the cause of his benching?
 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.

FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.

RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.

 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypcHe's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypcHe's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
Aside from last week, in both full and relieving duties he has looked great. You're going to bring up his YPC even though he took many GL and short yardage from Edge? I really, really question if you've seen him play.
 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypcHe's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
Aside from last week, in both full and relieving duties he has looked great. You're going to bring up his YPC even though he took many GL and short yardage from Edge? I really, really question if you've seen him play.
:rolleyes:
 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.

FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.

RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc

8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypc

He's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
I have.And you should check the depth charts.

Starting RB on a playoff bound team with a creampuff schedule = at least a flex player.

 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.

FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.

RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc

8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypc

He's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
I have.And you should check the depth charts.

Starting RB on a playoff bound team with a creampuff schedule = at least a flex player.
I wouldn't call it a creampuff schedule. 4 of his last 6 games are against rather tough defenses in NYG, PHI, MIN, NE.
 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.

FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.

RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc

8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypc

He's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
I have.And you should check the depth charts.

Starting RB on a playoff bound team with a creampuff schedule = at least a flex player.
Creampuff? Huh? Like playing SF last night? I can't wait for him to eat up Philly, Giants, Vikings. Hightower will love playing those creampuffs. Depth chart. *lol* Are you kidding me? He's playing SF. Who is double covering Boldin and Fitz. Running against 6 in the box, and he can't even move the ball? The Cards rush attack is awful. Vikings will clearly get ripped and gashed by the mighty Hightower.

 
I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
The reason Edge has not played is because he ripped the coaching staff.
:confused: Any link at all to something like this? Whis. said Hightower earned it, it was better for the team, and there are other similar statements around.
Perhaps this from around October 22?http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...2cards1023.html

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I'm just here, just going to ride it out and get to the playoffs and, hey, that may be it right there."

"I don't want to just be on a team; I like to play," he said. "If I'm not playing, it's not serving a purpose. What purpose is it serving? I don't want to feel like I'm selfish but you want to play.

"Hey, I still got years in me, I know that. I can still play some ball. I ain't worried."

James knows he's not much of a threat to go 70 yards. The Cardinals should have known it, too, when they signed him.

"When I came here, I came a certain way," he said. "I wasn't going to hit no 70, 80 (yards). I was going to non-stop grind, make my plays and keep wearing a team out.

"That's what I've always done and now it's like I'm supposed to be Superman. You want to have success, you want to do things and that's the most frustrating thing, I know I can play, I know I'm a good player."

"I don't want to seem like I'm bad-mouthing the system," James said. "I've never been somebody to just go off on somebody. I don't want this to appear negative because that's not my style."

But this offensive system, he said, is "totally different" from the one he expected the Cardinals would use when he signed in 2006. "And I have to take all the criticism," he said.
Players say this a lot, and much harsher things and they aren't yanked. Why would this be the cause of his benching?
Neither you nor I know what Edge and his coaches have been saying outside of the media. This was what was reported in the lead up to the game where Edge got zero carries. I suspect some harsher stuff was said behind the scenes. In any event, you suggested that Edge getting shut out of the rotation was due entirely to Hightower's performance. There is evidence Edge contributed to his situation with his mouth. That is not to say Edge will get the starting job back at all. I would be surprised if that happens. But I think people who think RBBC is completely out of the question this year are ignoring the possibility that Edge's situation was due to a personality conflict that that the parties involved might "kiss and make up" leading more to a sharing situation. In fact, the AZ coach even makes a point of saying that the league in general is moving more to RBBC in this very same article.
 
Anyone pumping Hightower hasn't seem him play, and is doing so just because he's a rookie and Edge is old.

Hightower has been very AVERAGE. He's a backup end of a RBBC at best in the NFL. He's merely working himself into a RBBC. Edge isn't going anywhere. Yah, he runs hard. So does every RB in the NFL. There's 60 practice squad guys who would come in and "run hard" and bash their head into a wall.

Questionable ability to break tackles, doesn't make people miss, poor vision, poor speed, poor quickness, isn't explosive, zero burst and no big play threat. Gives good effort, but clearly huge question marks about him ever being able to be a featured RB in this league. Sorry, watch the games.
:shrug:
Lots of ownage here. Sharks!
Ownage? Hightower owners? Or "sharks" freaking out over 1 good game. Like I said, Hightower is very average.
I agree. He had one good game against the Rams...whooop teee doooo....the Niners have a bad run D and still Hightower looked very average to me. If I am a Hightower owner I would be looking to sell if there is someone in your league who believes in his hype.
I was expecting a much better game out of Hightower. Sometimes when guys get 5-6 carries a game they look like world beaters, then when called on to be the feature RB they settle into what they really are. There was a reason Hightower was a 5th rd draft pick. I think we saw it last night.
I agree, I'm not yet sold on him either. But, I do want to point out that MBIII was a 4th round pick and that turned out quite well.
 
bumpman said:
I agree, but I also think giving Edge only 2 carries in the last 2 weeks is also dumb. To me it looks like they neither gain nor lose any production with Hightower in there vs. Edge. If you think Hightower is your best option at RB and he can't even be productive vs. the 49ers you may have some thinking to do.
Completely abandoning Edge is weird to me too. At the same time, he doesn't seem upset by it, so maybe there's more to the story than we know.As far as not being productive against the 49ers, to me it didn't look like any AZ RB was going to have much to work with in that game. I didn't notice huge cutback lanes or other holes he missed, but it's not like I've been breaking down the film.
The reason Edge has not played is because he ripped the coaching staff.
:shrug: Any link at all to something like this? Whis. said Hightower earned it, it was better for the team, and there are other similar statements around.
Perhaps this from around October 22?http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...2cards1023.html

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I'm just here, just going to ride it out and get to the playoffs and, hey, that may be it right there."

"I don't want to just be on a team; I like to play," he said. "If I'm not playing, it's not serving a purpose. What purpose is it serving? I don't want to feel like I'm selfish but you want to play.

"Hey, I still got years in me, I know that. I can still play some ball. I ain't worried."

James knows he's not much of a threat to go 70 yards. The Cardinals should have known it, too, when they signed him.

"When I came here, I came a certain way," he said. "I wasn't going to hit no 70, 80 (yards). I was going to non-stop grind, make my plays and keep wearing a team out.

"That's what I've always done and now it's like I'm supposed to be Superman. You want to have success, you want to do things and that's the most frustrating thing, I know I can play, I know I'm a good player."

"I don't want to seem like I'm bad-mouthing the system," James said. "I've never been somebody to just go off on somebody. I don't want this to appear negative because that's not my style."

But this offensive system, he said, is "totally different" from the one he expected the Cardinals would use when he signed in 2006. "And I have to take all the criticism," he said.
Players say this a lot, and much harsher things and they aren't yanked. Why would this be the cause of his benching?
Neither you nor I know what Edge and his coaches have been saying outside of the media. This was what was reported in the lead up to the game where Edge got zero carries. I suspect some harsher stuff was said behind the scenes. In any event, you suggested that Edge getting shut out of the rotation was due entirely to Hightower's performance. There is evidence Edge contributed to his situation with his mouth. That is not to say Edge will get the starting job back at all. I would be surprised if that happens. But I think people who think RBBC is completely out of the question this year are ignoring the possibility that Edge's situation was due to a personality conflict that that the parties involved might "kiss and make up" leading more to a sharing situation. In fact, the AZ coach even makes a point of saying that the league in general is moving more to RBBC in this very same article.
I haven't read many posts in this thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been stated, but the big reason for Edge being shutout completely is because he blew off a Wednesday practice.
 
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Hightower is best in PPR leagues. Cards are a pass first team and Tim catches a lot of passes, in my PPR league he still got me 10 points Monday night with his 6 catches. RB2 or 3

 
Last week the believers were out in force...this week the doubters.FWIW...he had no room at all to run last night. He was consistantly met at or slightly behind the LOS and did not appear to have any real cutback lanes. If the Rams game was a bad game to judge from, the 49ers game was just as bad a game.RB2/flex play going forward sounds about right.
RB2 - HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh lawd. Sorry.1 game vs Rams - 22 carries 109 yards 5.0 ypc8 games - 62 carries 155 yards 2.5 ypcHe's had 8 bad games, 1 good game, and he's RB2. You should try watching him play.
Aside from last week, in both full and relieving duties he has looked great. You're going to bring up his YPC even though he took many GL and short yardage from Edge? I really, really question if you've seen him play.
:shrug:
Maybe next year, we can get a petition going so Hightower can play the Rams EVERY week. Then maybe I'd buy him as a RB3. 35 yards? No catches? No TDs? Where are all those guys who had Hightower in their top 12 RBs going forward. *lol* News flash, he's average. When JJ Arrington out plays you, you're not a feature RB in the NFL.
 

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