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Errr Kevin Kolb signs with BUF - 2 yrs, $13 million max (1 Viewer)
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
i don't think it's all that bad of deal for the bills. says a bit about what they think about this QB class. i guess they put the press on him this week with a visit for a couple of days. they go at worst a decent QB2 and didn't have to waste any draft picks to do it.
the bills are going with a more uptempo/hurry up offense this season, which kolb is a fit for... the bills have a better line than the cards too.
i could see them still going for a QB in the draft, but not in first.
the bills are going with a more uptempo/hurry up offense this season, which kolb is a fit for... the bills have a better line than the cards too.
i could see them still going for a QB in the draft, but not in first.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Yeah, the fact that the league appears willing, eager, even, to shuffle around the likes of Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer, Matt Flynn, and Drew Stanton is a pretty big endictment on this QB class.
cstu
Footballguy
Going to the slaughter for Bridgewater.
Wouldn't NOT signing an upgrade have made for a stronger player for Teddy?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I applaud the Bills for getting rid of an erratic, unheralded quarterback who commits costly turnovers in favor of....
Oops, nevermind.
Oops, nevermind.
cstu
Footballguy
I don't consider him an upgrade, especially when Fitzpatrick knew the offense and Kolb has to learn it.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
actually fitz would have had to learn it too. there was a complete overhaul of the bills staff this season. new offense incoming too.
Fitz has been off of the roster for weeks, so this is really a comparison of Tarvaris vs. Kolb, which isn't really much of a comparison. And I'm also not sure how much Fitz really "knew the offense" since they hired Marrone in January.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
i think now if nassib is available at 2.09, they'll go for him. he's marrone's guy and knows his offense... i think it would be a great pick too 
cstu
Footballguy
Simply can't go into the season with Tavaris. The Colts got away with putting out trash at QB because they played the "Peyton might return" game. The Bills have to at least pretend they are trying to win this year while secretly hoping to go 2-14.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Not a bad move, at all IMO. I've never been a huge fan of Kolb, but many people are/were. He'll get a much better O-line to play behind, so maybe he can have some success.
What I really like about this move is that it would suggest the Bills are going to go crazy trying to get a QB in this year's draft.
What I really like about this move is that it would suggest the Bills are going to go crazy trying to get a QB in this year's draft.
I think what we're all seeing with Alex Smith, Kolb, and now Flynn, is a lack of belief in this years QB class. All 3 teams are in a prime position to take a QB (and still might) in the first round, but instead went after commodoties that were more "known". At the least, I doubt any of the teams drafts a QB and starts him from day one. Bridge quarterbacks ftw.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I'll go ahead and rip it. I think he's just about as good as Tavaris Jackson, so what's the point?
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
The new boss must have really hated Fitzpatrick. Why not keep the old gnome around for a bit to teach the new guy? Or is the goal to draft a rookie and have three inexperienced QBs all helping each other?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
He's much better than Jackson. When he's had time to throw the ball, Kolb actually throws a very nice deep ball and is very accurate. But it probably won't matter. His deal most likely is very heavy on incentives and it's also likely he'll have to compete with a rookie QB for the starting role with a prejudice towards the rookie. There were quite a few people who wanted Kolb for the Bills when he went to Arizona. He played behind the worst o-line in the league and looked decent except when he got hurt from the league leading number of hits he took.Depending on exactly how the deal breaks down, I think it's at least worth it to bring him in to compete. And he is a MUCH better passer than T-Jax.
Come on man! It's like Denver signing Manning, they are going to run the Kolb offense. . .
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Did they not hire a new coach?
msommer
Footballguy
Hope for the Bills that Kolb has not become gun shy like David Carr did after his repeated beatings behind the Texans line.
How much better is the Bills line - minus Levitre (and RInehart). I agree it was better in 2012, but unless there is ample, quality replacements at guard then the inside takes a hit, no?
Who's stepping up?
How much better is the Bills line - minus Levitre (and RInehart). I agree it was better in 2012, but unless there is ample, quality replacements at guard then the inside takes a hit, no?
Who's stepping up?
Fitz wouldn't take a paycut and knew he was probably going to be a backup this year. Kolb will get a chance to earn the starting job but will probably be hurt or benched in favor of a rookie by October.Lord Fantasy said:
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
How many wins do you think Kolb nets them? If they're a 4 win team with Tavaris and a 6 win team with Kolb then there's no point to the signing. They'd probably be best off giving a 2nd/3rd round QB a chance (which they'll probably take anyway).
It might be better for the 2nd/3rd round QB to have a season to sit for a season.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I don't know that it's totally about wins though. Buffalo will almost certainly be drafting a QB in the first or second round. I prefer some of the guys that have higher upside but could probably use a year on the sidelines. If that's the case, then a QB that can even make the team more competitive is a big plus even if it doesn't translate to a lot of wins. A QB that can run the new system decently and help the team develop is a big step forward over a guy that could just be struggling to keep his head above water. The difference is a guy that can help prepare the rest of the offense for the rookie to take over next year versus a guy that would just turn over a bunch of broken parts for the young QB to start from scratch.ScottNorwood said:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
This interview with Greg Cosell basically says the same thing I was saying:
http://blogs.canoe.ca/krykslants/sports/qa-greg-cosell-on-kolb-with-the-bills/
http://blogs.canoe.ca/krykslants/sports/qa-greg-cosell-on-kolb-with-the-bills/
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Smartly didn't guarantee him much.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Looks like Buffalo fans are excited about Kevin's arrival:
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Buffalo+Bills+v+Atlanta+Falcons+8L3yvmczq6Al.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Buffalo+Bills+v+Atlanta+Falcons+8L3yvmczq6Al.jpg
Catbird
Footballguy
I don't think Kolb is awful, but he seems to need time in the pocket to be good - like most middle skill starting QBs. He even had a couple of pretty solid games before last year's injury IIRC - although there is no escaping that he did so little with Fitz and the concern that raises as to what he will do without him. I do not think any of the rookie QBs (except perhaps Geno?) will hold a candle to Kolb in actual play this year. I don't think most will be significantly better even after finding their footing and learning to read pro defenses (largely seeing a class of Jimmy Claussens).
I think this move allowed BUF to make good use of their high first pick and wait to take their QB of the future next year. I hope they build their on their line weaknesses and pick up a quality WR in this draft - giving Kolb a fair look this fall - and choose the future next year when there are solid options.
I do think its an interesting comment on human nature that BUF is happy to have Kolb, AZ is delighted to welcome Palmer and the TEN fans are excited about Fitzpatrick.
I think this move allowed BUF to make good use of their high first pick and wait to take their QB of the future next year. I hope they build their on their line weaknesses and pick up a quality WR in this draft - giving Kolb a fair look this fall - and choose the future next year when there are solid options.
I do think its an interesting comment on human nature that BUF is happy to have Kolb, AZ is delighted to welcome Palmer and the TEN fans are excited about Fitzpatrick.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Don't Kolb and Manuel seem miles apart in terms of the type of QB they would be for the Bills?
Otherwise they must want more of Fitzpatrick, Edwards, Losman, Holcomb.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Gawain
Footballguy
Yeah, imo signing Kolb was a mistake. I don't think anyone on the Bills staff has the confidence of a Harbaugh. So, if Kolb gets the Bills off to a decent start, even if Manuel has improved to the point where he'd be a better option I don't think the staff would make the change.
If they play very well, it isn't impossible for them to start 5-2. Even if they lose @home against cincy, they could still be 4-3 and 6-5 at their bye. Just enough to go 2-3 over the last 5 weeks of the season to finish 8-8. A victory in the last ten years of Buffalo football, but it doesn't bring us any closer to figuring out if Manuel is the answer or not.
In all likelihood, it's 4-7 at the break and the season is already over, even if Manuel looks good over the last 5 games. Throw him to the wolves.
If they play very well, it isn't impossible for them to start 5-2. Even if they lose @home against cincy, they could still be 4-3 and 6-5 at their bye. Just enough to go 2-3 over the last 5 weeks of the season to finish 8-8. A victory in the last ten years of Buffalo football, but it doesn't bring us any closer to figuring out if Manuel is the answer or not.
In all likelihood, it's 4-7 at the break and the season is already over, even if Manuel looks good over the last 5 games. Throw him to the wolves.
Gawain
Footballguy
FYP
It's been a long time since I could be excited about the team. I like the steps they have made, but our quarterbacking has been so bad since Kelly that it's tough to get pumped until there's a possible franchise QB in place. Think everyone is sure that Kolb isn't the answer, so why not find out about Manuel as soon as possible?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I'd rather start with Kolb and give Manuel time to develop. No point in rushing him if he's not ready when you have a capable vet around. If Kolb sucks, then there's less pressure on Manuel when he does get his chance. If Kolb plays decent, you buy Manuel some time. Obviously if Manuel lights it up in the preseason you go to him earlier but make him earn it and don't just hand him the reigns bc he's the QB of the future.Gawain said:
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Agree on all accounts.
And I didnt even like the Kolb move.
But that was before they drafted a more talented option (and traded down and still got the one they wanted) in April.
As a guy to keep the pressure on Manuel low its a fine move.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Kolb is an awful training camp player. And a backup NFL caliber in reality for the reasons Jaws mentioned. EJ will blow him away physically on the practice field. He'll be starting sooner rather than later. EJ has a long ways to go to prove he's a starting NFL talent, but we already know Kolb is not.
