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Galileo said:
They do not view their actions as criminal.  For them, their actions are a source of pride and honor.  There is no reason to hide.
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Agree but they only explanation to me is recruitment or they are trying to get countries to go after them which in their minds is even more recruitment. 

 
msommer said:
To get this thread back on track

Manchester police reports that:

Death toll now stands at 22

Single perpetrator, single explosion, perpetrator died during the attack

Likely a suicide bomb (described as an improvised explosive device), they are trying to determine if anyone else was involved (cell, network)

Neither the victims nor the perpetrator has been identified

There are children among the victims

ETA: Video now up at BBC Live updtes, not showing the explosion , but there is clearly only one explosion
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Thank you.

 
AAABatteries said:
Agree but they only explanation to me is recruitment or they are trying to get countries to go after them which in their minds is even more recruitment. 
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I think that's part of the whole terror part of terrorist.  They want the world to know what they're will and able to do.

I still find it very difficult to believe that more than a few people can think that this kind of action is justified.  I understand that we'll always have deranged people in the world, but we're talking about thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of men who think this is the way to go.  Boggles my mind.

 
Galileo said:
Looks like they updated the site with the second...so far an 18 yr old girl and an 8 yr old girl.   :cry:
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The 18 year old met Ariana Grande before. I know nobody "cares" about celebrities but my thoughts are with grande as well. She lost numerous people that cared about her. She must be absolutely devastated. 

 
excerpt from a Guardian article:

- A mother, at the concert with her two daughters, described seeing a man she believes to be the suicide bomber. Emma Johnson told BBC Radio 5 Live: “I turned and saw [a] bright red top in the crowd with a grey panel down the front with risen bits all over it. It was that which stood out because it was so intense among the crowds of people. As quick as I saw it the explosion happened.”

She said she was 15ft away. “It happened near where they sell the merchandise,” said Johnson. “There were dead bodies everywhere. I saw the remains of the torso and the remains of the body.” -

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so this guy was clearly visible, and apparently strapped the #### up ... how in the hell did he slip in?  i would imagine security had to be somewhere in that vicinity?  

 
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shadyridr said:
The 18 year old met Ariana Grande before. I know nobody "cares" about celebrities but my thoughts are with grande as well. She lost numerous people that cared about her. She must be absolutely devastated. 
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Obviously Grande's "issues" are minuscule to the families of the victims and the victims themselves but I could see how this has an effect on her going forward.

 
otb_lifer said:
excerpt from a Guardian article:

- A mother, at the concert with her two daughters, described seeing a man she believes to be the suicide bomber. Emma Johnson told BBC Radio 5 Live: “I turned and saw [a] bright red top in the crowd with a grey panel down the front with risen bits all over it. It was that which stood out because it was so intense among the crowds of people. As quick as I saw it the explosion happened.”

She said she was 15ft away. “It happened near where they sell the merchandise,” said Johnson. “There were dead bodies everywhere. I saw the remains of the torso and the remains of the body.” -

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so this guy was clearly visible, and apparently strapped the #### up ... how in the hell did he slip in?  i would imagine security had to be somewhere in that vicinity?  
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From the interviews I've seen and read from people in attendance, they weren't even checking people/bags on the way into the concert as we are used to here. Hearing that it doesn't sound like there was much security in the area. 

Eta: it also occurred in a public space just outside the stadium, so he never had to enter as a concert goer. 

 
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Billy Bats said:
From the interviews I've seen and read from people in attendance, they weren't even checking people/bags on the way into the concert as we are used to here. Hearing that it doesn't sound like there was much security in the area. 
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yeah, i read the same ... but this was outside the arena, on the perimeters, so to speak - would think some sort of security detail would be about, what with roughly twenty thousand people exiting a concert - and from the description that eyewitness gave, this #### was not exactly 'blending in' 

 
otb_lifer said:
yeah, i read the same ... but this was outside the arena, on the perimeters, so to speak - would think some sort of security detail would be about, what with roughly twenty thousand people exiting a concert - and from the description that eyewitness gave, this #### was not exactly 'blending in' 
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News was saying it was near where parents pick up their kids. The bomber didn't need a ticket or need to go through any security. No idea if police officers were present though. 

 
otb_lifer said:
excerpt from a Guardian article:

- A mother, at the concert with her two daughters, described seeing a man she believes to be the suicide bomber. Emma Johnson told BBC Radio 5 Live: “I turned and saw [a] bright red top in the crowd with a grey panel down the front with risen bits all over it. It was that which stood out because it was so intense among the crowds of people. As quick as I saw it the explosion happened.”

She said she was 15ft away. “It happened near where they sell the merchandise,” said Johnson. “There were dead bodies everywhere. I saw the remains of the torso and the remains of the body.” -

Link to full

:(

so this guy was clearly visible, and apparently strapped the #### up ... how in the hell did he slip in?  i would imagine security had to be somewhere in that vicinity?  
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The bomber was a Michael Jackson impersonator?

 
eoMMan said:
News was saying it was near where parents pick up their kids. The bomber didn't need a ticket or need to go through any security. No idea if police officers were present though. 
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And this is the problem, which a few people here pointed out last night. No matter how tight your security is at these public gatherings, the terrorists can always strike at wherever the crowd is waiting to get in (or in this case, exit.)

 
The Future Champs said:
If their top story is the Manchester bombing, then shut yer ####### mouth you stupid #### if story #2 is about the latest Trump fiasco.  Christ yer a bunch of precious snowflakes.
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I'm not going to lower myself to your level in my response, but I will repeat, that it looked extremely insensitive to have side by side coverage of both stories last night on CNN. Last night was about the innocent lost of lives of many people, including children. Nobody is saying CNN shouldn't cover Trump investigations all day long, and that is exactly what they do. Reports about the on-going investigation didn't matter to most people like that given the other news.

 
cubd8 said:
I'm not going to lower myself to your level in my response, but I will repeat, that it looked extremely insensitive to have side by side coverage of both stories last night on CNN. Last night was about the innocent lost of lives of many people, including children. Nobody is saying CNN shouldn't cover Trump investigations all day long, and that is exactly what they do. Reports about the on-going investigation didn't matter to most people like that given the other news.
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If you believe what you wrote then why don't you take a step back and see how your post whining about news coverage would be perceived while they are still going through the dead children's bodies.

Respectfully, pull your head out of your ###.

 
cubd8 said:
I'm not going to lower myself to your level in my response, but I will repeat, that it looked extremely insensitive to have side by side coverage of both stories last night on CNN. Last night was about the innocent lost of lives of many people, including children. Nobody is saying CNN shouldn't cover Trump investigations all day long, and that is exactly what they do. Reports about the on-going investigation didn't matter to most people like that given the other news.
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I respectfully disagree. With as tragic as this event was, the public should be able to see what else is going on in the world if they choose...whether it's politics, sports, entertainment news, whatever.

(But no doubt, this should be the top story)

 
bagger said:
If you believe what you wrote then why don't you take a step back and see how your post whining about news coverage would be perceived while they are still going through the dead children's bodies.

Respectfully, pull your head out of your ###.
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Another ridiculous response with name calling. Simply, not needed. A terrorist act vs. Donald Trump reporting shouldn't be treated the same for one night at any point in the coverage.

 
otb_lifer said:
excerpt from a Guardian article:

- A mother, at the concert with her two daughters, described seeing a man she believes to be the suicide bomber. Emma Johnson told BBC Radio 5 Live: “I turned and saw [a] bright red top in the crowd with a grey panel down the front with risen bits all over it. It was that which stood out because it was so intense among the crowds of people. As quick as I saw it the explosion happened.”

She said she was 15ft away. “It happened near where they sell the merchandise,” said Johnson. “There were dead bodies everywhere. I saw the remains of the torso and the remains of the body.” -

Link to full

:(

so this guy was clearly visible, and apparently strapped the #### up ... how in the hell did he slip in?  i would imagine security had to be somewhere in that vicinity?  
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It happened outside the arena

 
eoMMan said:
I respectfully disagree. With as tragic as this event was, the public should be able to see what else is going on in the world if they choose...whether it's politics, sports, entertainment news, whatever.

(But no doubt, this should be the top story)
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Thanks for your civil response. I respectfully disagree (for one night), but understand your point of view.

 
cubd8 said:
Another ridiculous response with name calling. Simply, not needed. A terrorist act vs. Donald Trump reporting shouldn't be treated the same for one night at any point in the coverage.
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Response predictable as it is ignorant. Carry on.

 
shadyridr said:
It happened outside the arena
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yeah, understood, and we've touched on that already ... my line of thinking was pertaining to how a strapped guy sticking out so vividly can go unimpeded in an area that should have had some security lurking, seeing as how so many people were leaving the concert, milling about to pick folks up, etc

 
bagger said:
Response predictable as it is ignorant. Carry on.
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It's ok to disagree about something without throwing a fit or calling people's names. I used to resort to things like that, but I realized that it's not mature, and I grew up. I suggest the same for you, you're be much happier. Have a great day!

 
Three arrests now

As for why ISIS waited to claim responsibility - possibly to avoid giving the police information they didn't already have.

Once the arrests begun they claimed responsibility, which may indicate that the arrested actually had a connection to ISIS

 
shadyridr said:
The 18 year old met Ariana Grande before. I know nobody "cares" about celebrities but my thoughts are with grande as well. She lost numerous people that cared about her. She must be absolutely devastated. 
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Pearl Jam certainly were after the incident in Roskilde in 2000.

 
otb_lifer said:
yeah, understood, and we've touched on that already ... my line of thinking was pertaining to how a strapped guy sticking out so vividly can go unimpeded in an area that should have had some security lurking, seeing as how so many people were leaving the concert, milling about to pick folks up, etc
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He may have taken off a jacket just before. That is speculation though.

 
msommer said:
Pearl Jam certainly were after the incident in Roskilde in 2000.
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I was just going to post this....  Eddie sometimes plays "Arc" solo live, for which each of the 9 added "layers" of the song represents one of the 9 deceased from Roskilde.  

I've seen it 3x live (From the second row at the Ryman Theater on June 18th 2008, being the best) and it's hands down the most powerful, haunting thing I've ever seen in probably a thousand live concerts. Nothing else comes close really. 

I'm no Ariana Grande fan, but this will likely rattle her as well. 

 
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otb_lifer said:
yeah, understood, and we've touched on that already ... my line of thinking was pertaining to how a strapped guy sticking out so vividly can go unimpeded in an area that should have had some security lurking, seeing as how so many people were leaving the concert, milling about to pick folks up, etc
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Why would there be security outside the arena?

 
msommer said:
Three arrests now

As for why ISIS waited to claim responsibility - possibly to avoid giving the police information they didn't already have.

Once the arrests begun they claimed responsibility, which may indicate that the arrested actually had a connection to ISIS
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according to this article he was known to British authorities - doesn't mention why, though 

 
otb_lifer said:
yeah, understood, and we've touched on that already ... my line of thinking was pertaining to how a strapped guy sticking out so vividly can go unimpeded in an area that should have had some security lurking, seeing as how so many people were leaving the concert, milling about to pick folks up, etc
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When someone is on a mission to kill a bunch a people and doesn't care of he/she dies what is a security guard or two going to do to stop it?  Plus you can't have security guards everywhere large crowds gather.  ISIS is just a group of sick ####### people that need to be eradicated from this planet.

 
cubd8 said:
Another ridiculous response with name calling. Simply, not needed. A terrorist act vs. Donald Trump reporting shouldn't be treated the same for one night at any point in the coverage.
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It wasn't treated the same. As more info came in, the bombing got more airtime. And believe it or not, the President of the United States going to the heads of intelligence agencies and asking them to help squash an FBI investigation into his administration is historically huge news as well. We're talking Nixon going to the CIA and looking for help level news here.

I get what you saying, but even pointing this out is as bad as what you are complaining about.

 
I guess I'm flying solo in wanting these threads to be about the facts of the event- not opinions from the peanut gallery about tangential political stuff.

endless, tiresome opinions... that I can get- should I ever want- in any of the endless tiresome threads devoted to them. I wish there was a way- if even for a few hours- of having a place to go for just the news as it comes in... this place can be a great resource for that. but most of you can't help yourselves. 

 
El Floppo said:
I guess I'm flying solo in wanting these threads to be about the facts of the event- not opinions from the peanut gallery about tangential political stuff.

endless, tiresome opinions... that I can get- should I ever want- in any of the endless tiresome threads devoted to them. I wish there was a way- if even for a few hours- of having a place to go for just the news as it comes in... this place can be a great resource for that. but most of you can't help yourselves. 
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Agreed

 
cubd8 said:
It's ok to disagree about something without throwing a fit or calling people's names. I used to resort to things like that, but I realized that it's not mature, and I grew up. I suggest the same for you, you're be much happier. Have a great day!
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They do say ignorance is bliss. Maybe you should take it as a compliment

 
Crowdfunding effort has raised more than £270k ($350k) since this morning for the victims' families. Initial target for the whole campaign £300k

 
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For those saying moderate muslims should do more to condemn terrorism

Arabic hashtag for #Manchester trends

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More than 50,000 tweets containing the Arabic hashtag for #Manchester have been posted since yesterday evening.

One user, @iQnasSudeer, tweeted to condemn "the killing of innocent people in any place".

Another person gave excerpts from the Koran that forbid the killing of any person.

@magdymohamed_ said “fear and terror of innocent people is a sight that is not acceptable to any community or religion".
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From BBC live updates

 
More from BBC Live updates

Muslim charity condemns 'despicable' attack

Posted at15:40


Manchester's largest Muslim charity, the Human Appeal, has condemned the "despicable and abhorrent" attack.

Othman Moqbel, CEO of Human Appeal, said: "As a Muslim, as a Mancunian and as a father, I want the victims and their families of last night's attack to know that my prayers, the prayers of everyone at Human Appeal and the prayers of Manchester's Muslim community are with them."
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cubd8 said:
I'm not going to lower myself to your level in my response, but I will repeat, that it looked extremely insensitive to have side by side coverage of both stories last night on CNN. Last night was about the innocent lost of lives of many people, including children. Nobody is saying CNN shouldn't cover Trump investigations all day long, and that is exactly what they do. Reports about the on-going investigation didn't matter to most people like that given the other news.
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Disagree. We get in trouble when we let stories get buried. 

 
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