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Fact - Brandon Marshall is not at Bronco's practice today (1 Viewer)
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moleculo
Footballguy
no, just train of consciousness and ramblings of a disgruntled fan.I have absolute confidence that this crap will impact Marshalls bank account for 2009 (badly) - pure speculation on my part that Marshall will be suspended by the team for a significant portion of the season. To me, it looks as if they are giving him enough rope to hang himself with. I watch that video, and I can't describe that as anything other than conduct detrimental to the team. Every team I've ever been on - when ever someone pulled crap like that, they were sent home immediately, and usually weren't allowed to compete the following week.When you see conduct detrimental to the team, TO is the obvious comparison, and I'm not sure how much his BS has really impacted his ability to negotiate a contract.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Tom Cable would've spun him and broken his jaw by now.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I don't know how anyone can watch that video and think the coach is the problem.
If that team had any real leaders on the field they would have clocked him.
If that team had any real leaders on the field they would have clocked him.
Childress
Footballguy
With the Denver PR guy trying to get the players to not speak out positively about Marshall's acquittal, then this. I'm happy to be a Lions fan right now 
Young 8
Footballguy
yeah, it' just a concidence that your franchise QB and WR don't wanna play for "this" McDaniels
Does this sort of crap tick anyone else off. This guy gets to play football for millions of dollars. boo ####### hoo. All the rest of us work our butts off everyday so we can pay for tickets and cable so we can watch football on the weekends. Others of us can barely make ends meet these days. Let him sit, don't pay him, and I hope every GM blackballs him for the rest of his career. Sorry...rant over.
yeah, it' just a concidence that your franchise QB and WR don't wanna play for "this" McDaniels
LHUCKS
Footballguy
where there's smoke there's fire...nobody seems to have a problem with Cutler in Chicago.yeah, it' just a concidence that your franchise QB and WR don't wanna play for "this" McDaniels
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
The only winner in all of this is Shanny.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I think I know why the big BM has as many defenders on this board as he does, even after all his crap.It's because one out of every 10, or 12, or 14 (depending on league size) has a vested interest in him doing well. They are the ones unfortunate enough to own him in fantasy leagues. I really think it's as simple as that. If they didn't have a need for him to succeed, he'd have almost no supporters around here. They got burned and are still hoping against hope it'll all magically get better. But the guy is a baby just as he's been over and over and over with things before, and he's quickly killing his career with his stupidity. BM is the problem and has no one to blame but himself for what is coming if he doesn't wake up. The NFL continues on just fine without these idiots.
inzanitee
Footballguy
video is awful and i *kinda* agree with you, but the Broncos are IMO at least partially to blame for this. They told his teammates not to act happy after he was found not guilty. McDanials has shown (so far) that all he is good at is alienating his best player and ignoring huge glaring holes in the defense during the draft.
Young 8
Footballguy
exactlycan't wait to see Josh "Smug" McDaniels going 2-14 with "Orton to Gaffney"
Onions
Footballguy
I would agree with you if McDaniels didn't have problems with Cutler. All of a sudden your top QB and top WR want out? Something is screwy there.
Young 8
Footballguy
noooo, obviously it's Cutler & Marshall fault
Bout 1 in 5 id say most are in multiple leagues. So glad I did not invest in him. Agree with the comment on owners blackballing this behavior, but someone will always pay if you can play So these idiots keep doing it.
No one in NE seemed to have a problem with McDaniels.where there's smoke there's fire...nobody seems to have a problem with Cutler in Chicago.yeah, it' just a concidence that your franchise QB and WR don't wanna play for "this" McDaniels
gianmarco
Footballguy
--McDaniels has acted like a buffoon and is probably a major reason why this is taking place (just like with Cutler)
--Marshall looks terrible in this video and simply doesn't have his head on straight.
These 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive. I don't get why some are trying to blame one or the other and acting as if the "other guy" hasn't acted badly either. They both have. So did Cutler. This whole Broncos offseason has just been a disaster and hasn't been handled well by ANYONE at any point in time. The ONLY guy in the last few months associated with this team that did nothing wrong is Shanahan. That's it.
ETA--And boy does McDaniels looks PISSED in that video during the interview. In slow-mo, I think there's some smoke coming out of his ears.
--Marshall looks terrible in this video and simply doesn't have his head on straight.
These 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive. I don't get why some are trying to blame one or the other and acting as if the "other guy" hasn't acted badly either. They both have. So did Cutler. This whole Broncos offseason has just been a disaster and hasn't been handled well by ANYONE at any point in time. The ONLY guy in the last few months associated with this team that did nothing wrong is Shanahan. That's it.
ETA--And boy does McDaniels looks PISSED in that video during the interview. In slow-mo, I think there's some smoke coming out of his ears.
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Diamond One
Footballguy
Point very well taken re leadership on field (players). But where is the leadership with the coaches and the rest of the organization? On vacation in New England?? Seriously, where is it???
MCguidance
Footballguy
He's only getting paid $2.2 million, the guy should act like an idiot. Imagine? Going to work and then showing up late for meetings, dressing in shorts when it's business attire, swatting memos out of your boss' hands, and then collecting a paycheck?
I believe McDaniels handled the Cutler situation wrongly for hte most part, and that he could have handled the Marshall situation with a bit more grace, but really? REALLY? Watching that video should be part of the rookie symposium, IMO.
I believe McDaniels handled the Cutler situation wrongly for hte most part, and that he could have handled the Marshall situation with a bit more grace, but really? REALLY? Watching that video should be part of the rookie symposium, IMO.
McDaniels has demoted him on the depth chart and sent him home. What else can he do?Cutler had an issue with Mcdaniels. Marshall's problems have nothing to do with McDaniels. According to Marshall he had a hip injury last season and was told he would continue to play in pain he would be rewarded with a new deal. When that failed to happen he became disenchanted. Unless he thinks it's Mcdaniels telling the FO to not honor their contract promise to him his resentment is toward the FO-not McDaniels.
moleculo
Footballguy
curious - how has McD acted like a buffoon in this instance?
Why does everyone over look that Cutler first had an issue with Bowlen for letting Shanny go and then not keeping the OC Bates?? Yes, McDaniels should of been more honest with Cutler, but the bed was already made between Denver and Cutler.As far as Marshall crap. If any other team was going through this this site would be all over the Marshall.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Curious - do you think what happened in yesterday's practice was the result of "one thing" McDaniels did? Curious - where do you see I said McDaniels acted like a buffoon in "this instance"? I believe the wording was "has acted", i.e., in general with a good # of things over the last few months.
Diamond One
Footballguy
No real argument there. Marshall is doing little to support his cause. But the fact that McD, who has established an atmosphere of questionable intergrity regarding plans and players IMO since day one of being named Denver's HC, is still playing games too. It's smelling big-time like Cutler: Version Two. Is the front office directing that? Perhaps. But leadership means taking a stance; I see none of that on the management / coaching side of the house. Marshall is clearly one of the best players on the team. Josh's intentional lack of a commitment either way about the Marshall situation speaks volumes to me. That's all I am saying. Clearly, it's disturbing on many levels...Edit to add that I am also upset that Marshall has not shown any leadership skills as well, but it's clearly a pissing-match now...
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
unreal. hope he gets traded soon.
moleculo
Footballguy
do I think what happened in yesterday's practice was the result of "one thing" McDaniels did? I have no idea. I have no idea what he did, and I don't really know what happened. I think you are trying to build a case against McD based on the situation with the former qb; but that's completely irrelevant (outside of Marshall seeing that he can pout his way out of town too).I think that McD managed the qb fiasco poorly, but I can't point to a single thing wrong with regards to how he handled the Marshall situation. There have been missteps for sure, but that is more front office stuff - i.e. not renewing the contract, the crap about not getting to excited after his court victory, etc., but as far as what happens on the field - I can't say I would have done anything differently, nor do I think McD should have done anything differently.You say he acted like a buffoon with a good number of things over the past few months - can you elaborate without referring to anything that happened prior to May (i.e. the last three months)? Or even better, any buffoonery related to Marshall?
massraider
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I'd like to see an answer to this. McD hasn't offended Marshall, and I think if he got a shiny new contract, he might think McD is just swell.This is about money, people.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Nope, I have nothing since May aside from what I'll get into below. But I think how he acted before May was terrible for a new head coach and laid a terrible foundation of trust and willingness to work for a coach that would so easily come in, change things, lie, and throw a player like Cutler under the bus. Those actions don't just have effects on the Cutler situation and then get swept under the rug. Those kinds of actions have lasting effects and, IMO, have hurt the Broncos both then, now, and probably in the future. This is just my opinion as an outsider watching the entire situation unfold. Nothing more than that.As to recently, I do know that Marshall wasn't even listed with the 1st team recently if I'm not mistaken. I'd be pretty certain McDaniels had a hand in that. Do you think that potentially played a part in Marshall's recent displays of disrespect, even if only a small part or the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back? Do you think demoting a guy like Marshall with his type of personality was the right thing to do? Yeah, I know he's the head coach, he's got to keep players in line, yada yada, but if he was the one who chose to do that, that's just adding more coals to the fire. Bottom line is that we'll probably never know just who did what and to what extent each person should share blame. But, as I said, this goes all the way back to the beginning because those initial times from the start of his tenure set a tone that has had and likely will continue to have reverberating effects. No one lacks blame and I think, in the end, McDaniels caused a LOT of this by himself and ownership allowed him to do so.
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Diamond One
Footballguy
Bottom line is that we'll probably never know just who did what and to what extent each person should share blame. But, as I said, this goes all the way back to the beginning because those initial times from the start of his tenure set a tone that has had and likely will continue to have reverberating effects. No one lacks blame and I think, in the end, McDaniels caused a LOT of this by himself and ownership allowed him to do so.
Thank you!
Time for all sides to suck it up, grow up, focus establishing trust / mutual respect and on winning some damn games.
Thank you!
Time for all sides to suck it up, grow up, focus establishing trust / mutual respect and on winning some damn games.
moleculo
Footballguy
well, we can't be certain that Marshall wasn't put on 2nd string or made to play special teams because he has been acting like this. I know that early in camp, he looked great. Then, he came down with some sort of injury, didn't practice until the day after his court win. Everything looked fine until his agent met with mgt, and then we got mopey Marshall again. That happened at the same time as the demotion/ST stuff. So, without having been there, it's really tough to know who started this. You seem to be taking the tact that the demotion was a response to Marshalls trade/contract demands, and that Marshalls petulance is a response to that. I think that the demotion was a response to Marshall acting like a turd in practices and more of a shot across the bow that this kind of disruptive behavior will not be tolerated, and Marshall escalated.If anything from the start of the McD regime has to do with this, it's that McD established that if someone pitches enough of a fit, he can be traded. I think Marshall is making the mistake of not realizing that a QB pulling that crap is disruptive to the whole team and cannot be isolated, whereas if a WR is a cancer, he can be isolated. The qb had leverage, Marshall does not.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
When all is said and done, he'll end up on the Bengals or Raiders. They don't care about character and always make questionable contract/personnel decisions.
massraider
Footballguy
Marshall to be interviewed live on NFL Live on ESPN tonight.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Actually, that's not the position I'm taking. I don't think his demotion was a response to the trade/contract demands. I think it was a result of his not knowing the playbook. It was stated as such when it happened. But, did you EVER think he'd remain off the 1st team heading into week 1? Of course not. It was just a matter of him getting back out there and getting back to speed. Thus, was the demotion really necessary? Sure, you ease him in and run him with the 2's and 3's until he can get out there, but you don't put out a depth chart and not list him as a starter. For some guys you can do that. I think it's fairly obvious that Marshall probably isn't a guy to play those games with. Does it make it right that Marshall is like that? No, it doesn't. But as a HEAD COACH, you have to realize these things and not instigate or potentially start problems. Haley's gotten away with pulling that stuff with Bowe (for now). But what would KC fans be saying if Bowe took a different approach to his initial demotion and public lashings? Haley would come off as a fool for alienating his top WR. Well, McDaniels has already had a record of acting like a fool (see Cutler) and, IMO, did it again. Even if Marshall was already acting like a 4 year old in practice before the demotion and doing the stuff he was doing on that video we saw, you STILL don't demote him on paper until it's obvious that things are not working and that he'll either be suspended or traded.
My view: the demotion, even if otherwise meaningless to most, wasn't necessary and MAY have played a part in Marshall's recent behavior. You can defend McDaniels if you want. You're a fan and obviously follow the team a lot closer than I do. But, at the same time, I'm giving a pretty unbiased opinion on the whole thing as an outsider just from how events have taken place and from what I've read. Oh, and I own Marshall in a couple of leagues and think he's acting like a complete and utter idiot and wouldn't mind from an NFL perspective if he got suspended for his atrocious behavior. Still doesn't absolve McDaniel's part in it (even if only minor or not at all recently) in my book.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
DVR set. Thank you.
massraider
Footballguy
2 mill? Everyone.
yeah, it' just a concidence that your franchise QB and WR don't wanna play for "this" McDaniels
moleculo
Footballguy
this is the point where we disagree.If marshall is behaving that way when the first team is practicing, it does no good for either Kyle Orton or a new secondary to learn their new systems. Also, attention is diverted away from Eddie Royal, Gaffney, and all of the other Pro's who show up and do their job.If you have an established system with an established set of personnel and an established coach, I think you might have the ability to take the above tack, but I still would not like it.Moreover, McD has been trying to install a "team-first" attitude. It makes it really tough for the 52 other players on the team to buy in when they see Marshall acting a fool and getting away with it. McD has got to come down hard on Marshall if he wants to maintain any sort of control over the team down the road. He had already lost some credibility on that front; he cannot allow a pattern to be established.
gianmarco
Footballguy
He can "come down hard" on him without publishing a depth chart that doesn't list him as a starter. And........that's assuming he was doing this stuff before that demotion. I doubt that was the case since this is the first we've heard of these antics. This happened yesterday and there's already video feed confirming it. If he had been doing this before, I'm sure we would have heard at least SOMETHING. IIRC, it was because he hadn't learned the playbook. So, while technically justified, you don't demote your star WR to non-starter on your depth chart release and not expect him to be unhappy about it. But, to you, I guess you should. We'll just agree to disagree on that point. You think it's good coaching and I think it's simply another misstep by a young, cavalier head coach trying to show everyone who's boss and completely destroying a team in the process. The Broncos are currently an utter disaster and the majority of it has McDaniel's fingerprints all over it both directly and indirectly.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Is this really a guy your team would want? Do you think Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald would be acting like he is in that video if they wanted a trade? Is that what Anquan Boldin and Roddy White did when they had problems with their contract?Personally, I don't care how talented he is, I wouldn't want him on my team knowing that he is capable of acting like this. He already had a lot of question marks about his character, and this is just the cherry on top.
A team signed Vick, so I'm pretty sure someone would take a chance on him.
SharkBait
Footballguy
I'd be embarrassed defending that idiot I don't care how big money league I'm in. Wow.
