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FFA Movie Poll - 1974 Countdown Monday is here. (2 Viewers)

KarmaPolice said:
I think AD has said in the other thread that he never really watched/liked movies made before 1975 until very recently.  
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Oh, interesting because he’s always posting reviews of old movies in the other threads. I just assumed he paid a lot of attention to older movies. He knows his stuff. 

 
krista4 said:
:goodposting:

Chinatown might battle for #2, but I think it will be battling the comedies such as Blazing Saddles.  Am I the only one who finds The Conversation a bit overrated?  I probably am.  It will probably still get some lower-level points from me, but I actually even found it somewhat boring.
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Conversation was more interesting than good for me.

But I'll say right now Woman under the influence will rank very high for me. Loved that movie.

 
Might redo later if I watch something worth adding or rewatch something that changes my mind but here ya go  :coffee:

Why did wikipedia not list Where the Red Fern Grows  :hot:

1    The Godfather Part II    30
2    Death Wish    20
3    Murder on the Orient Express    20
4    The Texas Chain Saw Massacre    20
5    Herbie Rides Again    15
6    Great Expectations    12
7    Blazing Saddles    12
8    Chinatown    10
9    Where The Red Fern Grows    10
10    Young Frankenstein    10
11    The Taking of Pelham One Two Three    10
12    Benji    10
13    The Longest Yard     7
14    Earthquake    6
15    The Towering Inferno    6
16    Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too     1
17    Journey Back to Oz    1
 
 
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Young Frankenstein - 30

The Godfather Part II - 30

Blazing Saddles - 25

The Longest Yard - 20

Benji - 20

Death Wish - 15

Thunderbolt and Lightfoot - 15

Dark Star - 15

Big Bad Mama - 15

Chinatown - 15
 
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Sullie said:
There's a movie called The Conversation (from 1974) which I stumbled up on a few years ago.  I had never heard of it before, it has Gene Hackman in it and despite that (I'm kidding. . . mostly) it's a very good movie, you should give it a tumble.
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on amazon prime, guess i will watch that, I think this is the first time I have seen a movie recommended on here that I would even consider watching that I hadn't seen before.  :thumbup:

 
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Ilov80s said:
Watching Chinatown for the first time in a decade. So far it’s holding up real well. 
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Still hits home. Most memorable movie I've ever seen. It probably holds up because its central narrative involves a period piece, rather than trying to anticipate the future or being subject to the modern whimsy of film at the moment. 

 
This seems to be as good a place to post this as anywhere.  I made a deal with my daughter:  I'll watch Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 if she watches Godfather and Godfather Part 2.  We finished the first Godfather last night.  She liked it and barely looked at her phone in the last hour or so.  She was intrigued by the split plot structure of Part 2 but we'll have to make it through Guardians of the Galaxy first.

 
Eephus said:
This seems to be as good a place to post this as anywhere.  I made a deal with my daughter:  I'll watch Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 if she watches Godfather and Godfather Part 2.  We finished the first Godfather last night.  She liked it and barely looked at her phone in the last hour or so.  She was intrigued by the split plot structure of Part 2 but we'll have to make it through Guardians of the Galaxy first.
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That’s cool- from what I’ve heard Guardians of the Galaxy 1 is pretty fun.

 
Sad to say but the mid-70s are more in my movie wheelhouse than the previous two years

30    ---    The Godfather Part 2
25    ---    Female Trouble
25    ---    F for Fake
20    ---    Ali:  Fear Eats the Soul
20    ---    Chinatown
10    ---    Thieves Like Us
10    ---    Juggernaut
10    ---    The Yakuza
10    ---    The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
10    ---    The Conversation
10    ---    Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
10    ---    The Four Musketeers
10    ---    The Parallax View
 
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rockaction said:
Still hits home. Most memorable movie I've ever seen. It probably holds up because its central narrative involves a period piece, rather than trying to anticipate the future or being subject to the modern whimsy of film at the moment. 
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Oh yeah it's totally living up to what I remember. Of course this is my wheel house since I love Chandler and Bogey and noir. 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Best scene of 74.

My first nomination is Kay telling Michael it was an abortion. 
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Not even the best scene of that movie. When Vito stalks and kills Fanucci during the Feast of San Rocco is my favorite. I am sure others might say one of the great Fredo-Michael scenes.  Just shows how much of a classic it is.  

 
Lot of good movies.  I'll get a list in

Blazing Saddles will definitely be on it.  Young Frankenstein ... no way.  Just awful.  Tried to watch it a year or two ago and was shocked to discover how bad it was.   

 
Eephus said:
This seems to be as good a place to post this as anywhere.  I made a deal with my daughter:  I'll watch Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 if she watches Godfather and Godfather Part 2.  We finished the first Godfather last night.  She liked it and barely looked at her phone in the last hour or so.  She was intrigued by the split plot structure of Part 2 but we'll have to make it through Guardians of the Galaxy first.
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Good luck getting though GotG without playing on YOUR phone.  

 
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Eephus said:
Sad to say but the mid-70s are more in my movie wheelhouse than the previous two years

30    ---    The Godfather Part 2
25    ---    Female Trouble
25    ---    F for Fake
20    ---    Ali:  Fear Eats the Soul
20    ---    Chinatown
10    ---    Thieves Like Us
10    ---    Juggernaut
10    ---    The Yakuza
10    ---    The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
10    ---    The Conversation
10    ---    Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
10    ---    The Four Musketeers
10    ---    The Parallax View
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@Eephus - imdb shows your #3 movie as being a 1973 movie.  

 
Ilov80s said:
Not even the best scene of that movie. When Vito stalks and kills Fanucci during the Feast of San Rocco is my favorite. I am sure others might say one of the great Fredo-Michael scenes.  Just shows how much of a classic it is.  
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You'll get no argument from me on the greatness of the movie.  But the human part of that scene was always so powerful to me.  In a movie about the mob,  Pacino showed a range of acting in that one scene that was breathtaking. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Conversation has to be top 3 and if you want to put it at 1, I won’t be mad at you. 
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There should be no debate as to the #1 spot.  And no disrespect but it's not that.

 
matttyl said:
I must admit, 1974 is a bit before my time for movies.  Having said that, rule #7 clearly states no pron.  So what's up with "The Lords of the Flatbush", "Flesh Gordon", "The Groove Tube", and "Female Trouble?"  I'd even question "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore", "A Woman Under the Influence", and "Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry" as questionable titles, having never seen them.
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Groove Tube is not porn 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
You'll get no argument from me on the greatness of the movie.  But the human part of that scene was always so powerful to me.  In a movie about the mob,  Pacino showed a range of acting in that one scene that was breathtaking. 
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As great as Pacino is in GF II (and he is GREAT), John Cazale as Fredo is the standout among standouts.  His pathos is so palpable throughout, yet so nuanced.  From shame to regret to resentment to sorrow. 

And here's the thing.  Cazale was not afraid to look bad.  Countless times, I've seen actors play similar characters but throw in a wink or a joke to diffuse or make themselves look a little better.  Cazale went all in as a very pathetic but fully three dimensional Fredo, to the point where great debates take place defending him.

 
Keith R said:
As great as Pacino is in GF II (and he is GREAT), John Cazale as Fredo is the standout among standouts.  His pathos is so palpable throughout, yet so nuanced.  From shame to regret to resentment to sorrow. 

And here's the thing.  Cazale was not afraid to look bad.  Countless times, I've seen actors play similar characters but throw in a wink or a joke to diffuse or make themselves look a little better.  Cazale went all in as a very pathetic but fully three dimensional Fredo, to the point where great debates take place defending him.
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 Yup,  no argument there either. 

Your talking to someone that ranks these two movies head and shoulders above anything else. 

 
Best Scene '74

the way Hooper choreographed the first glimpse of Leatherface was astonishing ... over in less than a minute - no accompanying music, no cheapo scare tactics ... just a scene that is remarkably harrowing in it's realism - that hallway, the metal door, the squealing, tripping into the THUDS - the door slams SHUT.

one of the most iconic passages ever filmed ... if you've seen it, you know exactly how much it resonates as nothing short of surreal genius.

 
@Eephus - you are right in that it is really hard to get a hold of the date for F for Fake.   I think the closest is what you posted that wiki said in that it was initially released in 1974, so we will go with it here.  :shrug:

So for anybody else that would have the movie on one of their lists - F for Fake is ruled a 1974 movie.  

 
I was PMing otb_lifer about Texas Chainsaw.  I just watched it again recently and read a book about the making of the movie and it is just amazing what they were able to do and get on film.  One of the things I kept chuckling about was Hooper thinking he could get a PG rating.  Pulled from an article:

Hooper wanted TCSM to receive a PG rating, and even contacted the MPAA to plead the case for it. His case to them was that the film doesn’t show very much blood. He notes the film has maybe two ounces of blood in its entirety, but recognizes the worldwide belief that it’s a wall-to-wall gorefest. Pearl even gives an example of someone talking to him recently about TCSM, and they were absolutely convinced of the gore. “I don’t mean to be contrary, but I know how much blood was made,” Hooper quips. Needless to say, the movie got hit with an R.

It is interesting to see how little gore their is.  The scene otb mentions above and the meat hook show none.  The most I think was shown was with one death in the woods there is a bit of splatter.  

 
Ilov80s said:
Oh, interesting because he’s always posting reviews of old movies in the other threads. I just assumed he paid a lot of attention to older movies. He knows his stuff. 
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I'm still not a huge fan of late 60's/early 70's movies. There's a smattering, sure (The Wild Bunch, Chinatown, Once Upon A Time In The West) but overall it's there are too many B-level WW2 and Western genres movies and is supplanted by Vietnam/Boomer era gritty angst filled dramas which I don't find very entertaining.

Then Jaws hits in '75 and movies start to be fun again.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I was PMing otb_lifer about Texas Chainsaw.  I just watched it again recently and read a book about the making of the movie and it is just amazing what they were able to do and get on film.  One of the things I kept chuckling about was Hooper thinking he could get a PG rating.  Pulled from an article:

Hooper wanted TCSM to receive a PG rating, and even contacted the MPAA to plead the case for it. His case to them was that the film doesn’t show very much blood. He notes the film has maybe two ounces of blood in its entirety, but recognizes the worldwide belief that it’s a wall-to-wall gorefest. Pearl even gives an example of someone talking to him recently about TCSM, and they were absolutely convinced of the gore. “I don’t mean to be contrary, but I know how much blood was made,” Hooper quips. Needless to say, the movie got hit with an R.

It is interesting to see how little gore their is.  The scene otb mentions above and the meat hook show none.  The most I think was shown was with one death in the woods there is a bit of splatter.  
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there was more blood in the "Chinatown" scene where Polanski slices Nicholson's nose  :shrug:  but, hey - "film noir", so ...

and, as i mentioned in our PMs, the Pam scene (meathook) is so brutally depicted (still gives me shivers), but, yeah ... not an ounce of blood.

matter of fact, i'd say they spent 5x as much on the blood that was splattered on Sally's (Marilyn Burns R.I.P.) clothes than they did for the rest of the flick in it's entirety - with a big chunk of that coming from ChopTop in the van. 

 
by_the_sea_wannabe said:
Sullie said:
There's a movie called The Conversation (from 1974) which I stumbled up on a few years ago.  I had never heard of it before, it has Gene Hackman in it and despite that (I'm kidding. . . mostly) it's a very good movie, you should give it a tumble.
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on amazon prime, guess i will watch that, I think this is the first time I have seen a movie recommended on here that I would even consider watching that I hadn't seen before.  :thumbup:
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Don't forget the No-Doze.

 
El Floppo said:
But I'll say right now Woman under the influence will rank very high for me. Loved that movie.
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It's crazy how this movie got made. Cassavetes' (the director) wife Gena Rowlands wanted him to write a play about the hardships women were facing during that time. He wrote a play, and he and Rowlands felt it was too intense for Rowlands to have to do every night in a play, so he made it into a screenplay for film. No studio wanted to finance the film or distribute it. They said nobody is interested in watching a crazy middle aged woman. Cassavetes mortgaged his house, and got backing from actor friends. Peter Falk contributed $500,000 of his own money. They had students from the American Film Institute work on the film for free, and they stole power from powerlines. They had no studio, so they filmed the house scenes in a run-down house. They also cast Cassavetes' and Rowlands' mothers, their children, another actor's kid, and Cassavetes godson. Rowlands did her own makeup, bought clothes from a thrift store for costumes, and they had to use the dry cleaners every night since they had no duplicates of the clothes. 

When nobody wanted to distribute the movie, Cassavetes called theater owners asking them to run it. He was known in the art-house community for his past films. Cassavetes and Falk showed the film at colleges doing Q & A afterwards. They had college students trying to help get it distributed, and some small theaters agreed to show it. It was the first time in the history of motion pictures that an independent film was distributed without the help of sub-distributors. Their big break came when it got shown at the New York Film Festival, who originally refused to show it. Martin Scorsese said he would pull his own film from the festival if they didn't show Cassavetes film. Critics loved it, and Rowlands and Cassavetes would end up getting Academy Award nominations. The film made 6.1 million, and all the money went to the cast, crew, and their investor friends. 

 
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otb_lifer said:
Best Scene '74

the way Hooper choreographed the first glimpse of Leatherface was astonishing ... over in less than a minute - no accompanying music, no cheapo scare tactics ... just a scene that is remarkably harrowing in it's realism - that hallway, the metal door, the squealing, tripping into the THUDS - the door slams SHUT.

one of the most iconic passages ever filmed ... if you've seen it, you know exactly how much it resonates as nothing short of surreal genius.
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Probably the first movie that actually scared me.  I was disillusioned with the world after that movie.  Dindn't like driving down old country roads after that.  Still haunts me to this day and I have no desire to watch this movie again.  And will rank it in the top 5 of this year.

 
wikkidpissah said:
it's '74 in wiki. being a Welles Euroflick, the actual release could be '63 or '81. need a ruling cuz its in my Top10 too
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@wikkidpissah - I looked and ruled it a '74 movie this morning.  

Now i have another one to watch for this year. :thumbup:

 
anybody else curious why we're spoilering our lists AND spotlighting the #### out of our faves? i'm down if y'all are - just seems weird

in case we have a ruing, Chinatown is as close to a perfect movie as i have ever seen and G2 is just a very good flick - low 20s tops

 
KarmaPolice said:
@wikkidpissah - I looked and ruled it a '74 movie this morning.  

Now i have another one to watch for this year. :thumbup:
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saw that & deleted. commented before reading ahead

ETA: utterly charming flick because it's so reflective of Welles's late career - shooting scene here, scene there over a decade+, leaving to do pickle commercials when he runs out of money. as Eephus suggested, his subject here matches his sleight-of-hand as a filmmaker

 
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wikkidpissah said:
anybody else curious why we're spoilering our lists AND spotlighting the #### out of our faves? i'm down if y'all are - just seems weird

in case we have a ruing, Chinatown is as close to a perfect movie as i have ever seen and G2 is just a very good flick - low 20s tops
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I don't know what the balance is.  Not a huge fan of listing all the votes 1st day.  If we do too many lists then it becomes more and more obvious what the countdown will look like.  But if the other point of this is to get people to watch some stuff they might not have seen, there has to be some talk.  

I get the feeling people are more willing to talk about their lists for 74 because the top movies feel more obvious. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I don't know what the balance is.  Not a huge fan of listing all the votes 1st day.  If we do too many lists then it becomes more and more obvious what the countdown will look like.  But if the other point of this is to get people to watch some stuff they might not have seen, there has to be some talk.  

I get the feeling people are more willing to talk about their lists for 74 because the top movies feel more obvious. 
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Well, there's a 74 movie that will be in my Top 5 that i estimate less than 10% of FFAppers to have seen. Do i pimp it so folks'll watch it or let it be my secret garden?

 
Hov34 said:
Probably the first movie that actually scared me.  I was disillusioned with the world after that movie.  Dindn't like driving down old country roads after that.  Still haunts me to this day and I have no desire to watch this movie again.  And will rank it in the top 5 of this year.
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Not sure it still scares me, but like you it was one of the first that did.  The other thing otb and I were talking about is the visceral experience with this flick.  No matter how many times I see it, i have the feeling I need a shower afterward.  It's like you can just smell the stench of that van and house, feel the sweat and blood on yourself.  Very few movies have the same effect on me. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I don't know what the balance is.  Not a huge fan of listing all the votes 1st day.  If we do too many lists then it becomes more and more obvious what the countdown will look like.  But if the other point of this is to get people to watch some stuff they might not have seen, there has to be some talk.  

I get the feeling people are more willing to talk about their lists for 74 because the top movies feel more obvious. 
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It's not like the movies that are going to be talked about aren't a surprise though.  If you think it's better for the thread not to post the scoring list we submit that's fine, but the discussion in here has already been better than the initial start up talk in the last one because we are specifically talking about the movies - and doing it a lot.

 
wikkidpissah said:
Well, there's a 74 movie that will be in my Top 5 that i estimate less than 10% of FFAppers to have seen. Do i pimp it so folks'll watch it or let it be my secret garden?
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IMO the best balance is to post movies like that or have discussions about movies we watched for the current year without talking specifically about it's score and ranking on our lists.  That's a reason I prefer to get the PM for people's lists. 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
It's not like the movies that are going to be talked about aren't a surprise though.  If you think it's better for the thread not to post the scoring list we submit that's fine, but the discussion in here has already been better than the initial start up talk in the last one because we are specifically talking about the movies - and doing it a lot.
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Agree- see above post.  That probably feels like the best balance since there isn't a ton of talk after the countdown.   I like the talk of movies, but we probably could do away with talking specifics on points. 

 
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