Final Roster Cuts - post significant & semi-significant cuts. (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

There are lots of insignificant cuts being posted in here unless you play dynasty.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Mill Journal is speculating Johnathan Franklin could be cut?

Gotta link for that? I haven't seen any speculation regarding Franklin being on the bubble.

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel hints Packers fourth-round RB Johnathan Franklin's roster spot isn't assured.Beat writer Tom Silverstein believes Franklin "had to show something" in Thursday's preseason finale to secure his spot. Franklin gained just 23 yards on eight carries, but per Silverstein, he "followed his blocks better." Franklin has been one of the biggest busts of the summer, but we highly doubt the Packers will throw in the towel so quickly. Aug 30 - 12:24 PM

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

I would assume his roster spot if fairly safe, but he really hasn't shown anything to warrant that.

Funny (I drafted him and have my own egg on my face but) he's not that big a bust being a fourth rounder yet the reporters that praised him are now forced to call him as such. Fourth round means less even since they started doing compensatory picks.

Franklin was going in the bottom of the 1st round in many rookie drafts. Not usually is this high of a pick declared a borderline bust so soon.

Yeah I see that, it's just we hyped him, shot ourselves in the foot.

The same thing happened with Zac Stacy and Da'Rick Rogers. The lesson should be not to spend high rookie picks on guys who were late rounders in the NFL draft. Not only is there a reason that they fell, but NFL draft status imparts a prospect with a bit of inertia to protect against sudden shocks in value. If Gio Bernard had a crappy preseason, his value wouldn't drop much. When Jonathan Franklin does it, his draft value is going to tank by a round or more.

Yes. This. For this reason I have Christine Michael instead of Stacy and Marquise Goodwin instead of Rogers.

But then you have Zach sudfeld and kenbrell thompkins. (Just food for thought)

I'll set aside for a second that Sudfeld and Thompkins haven't actually done anything yet, because I think they'll both be good this year. I think Alfred Morris is a much better example, because we already know how that turned out.

Still, Sudfeld, Thompkins, and Morris simply prove my point. I'm not saying that no late-round players are ever going to break out, I'm just saying that people are truly, utterly terrible at predicting which ones it's going to be ahead of time. We have an entire industry devoted to finding rookie sleepers for dynasty leagues. How many of those guys were drafting Zach Sudfeld in May? Kenbrell Thompkins? I know that, according to MFL, Alfred Morris' ADP in rookie drafts last year was 48th overall. The justification for taking a guy like Stacy high is that someone is going to be the next Alfred Morris, or the next Rod Smith, or the next Antonio Gates. That's true, I'm just saying, our track record at guessing who it is going to be ahead of time is pretty brutally poor. The late-round guys we like (Stacy, Rogers) usually wind up busting, while the guy who breaks out is usually a guy who was nowhere near our radar (Morris, Thompkins, Sudfeld).

 

[thriftyrocker]

But then you have Zach sudfeld and kenbrell thompkins. (Just food for thought)

No one drafted those guys in the 2nd round. At least not until they'd somewhat proven themselves.

The point can't be that we hyped the wrong late round player/UDFAs. Who were the good 2nd round picks this year at WR/TE? Maybe Patton and Stills? Not crying if I blew a 2nd on Rogers and Stacy if all it means is I missed out on Stills.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miami will roll with 4WRs plus return man Thigpen.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

There are lots of insignificant cuts being posted in here unless you play dynasty.

A large (very large) percentage of the "regulars" here are dynasty owners.

 

[Adam Harstad]

There are lots of insignificant cuts being posted in here unless you play dynasty.

A large (very large) percentage of the "regulars" here are dynasty owners.

Represent.

Besides, cut-down day is going to be largely irrelevant for redraft leagues. 99% of the time, if you're on the roster bubble, you weren't considered fantasy-viable in redraft in the first place. The guys getting cut are the 3rd or 4th stringers, whereas in redraft, if you're not 1st or 2nd string (or 3rd string at WR), you're worthless anyway. Cut-down day is a day with much greater significance in dynasty than in redraft.

 

[Donnybrook]

I am surprised that the Raiders kept 4 QBs but then again with their line they might need all of them.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I am surprised that the Raiders kept 4 QBs but then again with their line they might need all of them.

With two punters, they didn't actually need any quarterbacks. Just punt on every down.

 

[Sabertooth]

Mill Journal is speculating Johnathan Franklin could be cut?

Gotta link for that? I haven't seen any speculation regarding Franklin being on the bubble.

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel hints Packers fourth-round RB Johnathan Franklin's roster spot isn't assured.Beat writer Tom Silverstein believes Franklin "had to show something" in Thursday's preseason finale to secure his spot. Franklin gained just 23 yards on eight carries, but per Silverstein, he "followed his blocks better." Franklin has been one of the biggest busts of the summer, but we highly doubt the Packers will throw in the towel so quickly. Aug 30 - 12:24 PM

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

I would assume his roster spot if fairly safe, but he really hasn't shown anything to warrant that.

Funny (I drafted him and have my own egg on my face but) he's not that big a bust being a fourth rounder yet the reporters that praised him are now forced to call him as such. Fourth round means less even since they started doing compensatory picks.

Franklin was going in the bottom of the 1st round in many rookie drafts. Not usually is this high of a pick declared a borderline bust so soon.

Yeah I see that, it's just we hyped him, shot ourselves in the foot.

The same thing happened with Zac Stacy and Da'Rick Rogers. The lesson should be not to spend high rookie picks on guys who were late rounders in the NFL draft. Not only is there a reason that they fell, but NFL draft status imparts a prospect with a bit of inertia to protect against sudden shocks in value. If Gio Bernard had a crappy preseason, his value wouldn't drop much. When Jonathan Franklin does it, his draft value is going to tank by a round or more.

Yes. This. For this reason I have Christine Michael instead of Stacy and Marquise Goodwin instead of Rogers.

But then you have Zach sudfeld and kenbrell thompkins. (Just food for thought)

Neither was drafted. We had our draft in May and nobody heard of either of these guys.

 

[Bri]

Following up on previous....Raiders kept four QBs

 

[Bri]

also on Tynes, I didn't know...http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tynes-balks-at-nonfootball-injury-designation.html

 

[Bri]

"Our roster is fluid at this point," Browns coach Rob Chudzinski told reporters

 

[seahawk 17]

Stephen Williams waived/injured from Hawks.

Do you have a link for this? I haven't seen it anywhere.

On Rotoworld. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6064/stephen-williams

it's weird, if you search Seahawks WRs, it's not there. If you search Williams, you get the above.

'cause

Cardinals waived/injured WR Stephen Williams (Achilles) and LB Brandon Williams (shoulder).
Stephen Williams sustained an Achilles' tendon injury during Monday's practice. He was battling for the No. 5 wideout job with undrafted rookie LaRon Byrd. Fri, Aug 31, 2012 04:10:00 PM

Old news. Just so happens that he hasn't had any new news posted on rotoworld since he got hurt last year. I think he makes the Seahawks team. But does have a concussion that might sideline him a week or two.

He made the team.

 

[Joe Summer]

Following up on previous....Raiders kept four QBs

Trying to trade Flynn back to Green Bay? Or avoiding the embarrassment of cutting their 4th round pick?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

eagles cut salas

 

[Bob Magaw]

ryan wiiliams made cards roster...

 

[Shutout]

But then you have Zach sudfeld and kenbrell thompkins. (Just food for thought)

No one drafted those guys in the 2nd round. At least not until they'd somewhat proven themselves.

Ok, gotcha. Read that differently.

Yeah, I think my leagues saw their share of late seconds and early thirds going on some of these guys.

Interesting that this range also included some other guys like Ellington and Stepfan Taylor and steadman bailey too who were drafted but the results are pretty much the same at this point.

 

[DoubleG]

There are lots of insignificant cuts being posted in here unless you play dynasty.

A large (very large) percentage of the "regulars" here are dynasty owners.

Represent.

Besides, cut-down day is going to be largely irrelevant for redraft leagues. 99% of the time, if you're on the roster bubble, you weren't considered fantasy-viable in redraft in the first place. The guys getting cut are the 3rd or 4th stringers, whereas in redraft, if you're not 1st or 2nd string (or 3rd string at WR), you're worthless anyway. Cut-down day is a day with much greater significance in dynasty than in redraft.

Preach it brother!

 

[DoubleG]

Dwyer cut from Steelers. Not sure if this says more about Felix or the thealth of L. Bell.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Dwyer cut from Steelers. Not sure if this says more about Felix or the thealth of L. Bell.

I think it has more to do with Dwyers "commitment" to football as a priority.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I found this interesting:

@ClaytonESPN: The surprising part of the current rosters is that 77 undrafted rookies made teams. Normally, there are about 50

 

[Grand Master B]

Following up on previous....Raiders kept four QBs

Trying to trade Flynn back to Green Bay? Or avoiding the embarrassment of cutting their 4th round pick?

Oakland would have to eat a bunch of the $ left on the contract. No way Green Bay or most anyone else pays a backup 6.5 million.

 

[Koya]

I am surprised that the Raiders kept 4 QBs but then again with their line they might need all of them.

4 QBs, no QBs, Hard to tell.

 

[Grand Master B]

I'm just happy to see the Raiders are finally stepping up and doing something to lower the unemployment rate of punters. The economy is improving everywhere.

 

[Joe Summer]

I found this interesting:

@ClaytonESPN: The surprising part of the current rosters is that 77 undrafted rookies made teams. Normally, there are about 50

Has the recession finally hit the NFL? I figure that 77 rookies are cheaper than 77 veterans.

 

[Hooper31]

I found this interesting:

@ClaytonESPN: The surprising part of the current rosters is that 77 undrafted rookies made teams. Normally, there are about 50

Has the recession finally hit the NFL? I figure that 77 rookies are cheaper than 77 veterans.

The bottom line for every NFL team is just fine. Teams aren't cutting total salary, but they're redistributing it to the players that make the most money.

 

[DoubleG]

I found this interesting:

@ClaytonESPN: The surprising part of the current rosters is that 77 undrafted rookies made teams. Normally, there are about 50

Has the recession finally hit the NFL? I figure that 77 rookies are cheaper than 77 veterans.

The bottom line for every NFL team is just fine. Teams aren't cutting total salary, but they're redistributing it to the players that make the most money.

I also think some of it has to do with many regime changes and coaching changes around the league. Just looking at the Bears (my home team) - they are keeping 9 rookies plus 2 other guys that have never started an NFL game before. That's almost 1 in 5. At the same time, they cut ties with many highly drafted players in the old regime and even some of their own (Harden, Webb, Urlacher retiring, etc.)

 

[corpcow]

Right now, Rice and Pierce are the only RBs on the Ravens roster.

Does McGahee make sense?

That was my first thought....

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I was wondering about this, in reverse. Seems like there were a lot more draft picks that didn't make rosters this year. Especially 4-6th round guys.

 

[zamboni]

Also shows how much scouting is an inexact science, and it's very easy to miss - or miss out - on players. Sometimes these scouts/GM get so caught up on measurables.

 

[The Claymaker]

This is pretty handy:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/01/cut-tracker-quarterbacks/

 

[Donnybrook]

Tom Pelissero‏@TomPelissero1m

#Jets claimed Alex Green from #Packers. Time to cut one of those four QBs?

Probably not the right place to put his but...

 

[Donnybrook]

Ross Tucker‏@RossTuckerNFL14m

Close to $500K signing bonus down the drain. MT: @ProFootballTalk: Raiders are waiving fourth-round QB Tyler Wilson, per league source

 

[Grand Master B]

Ross Tucker‏@RossTuckerNFL14m

Close to $500K signing bonus down the drain. MT: @ProFootballTalk: Raiders are waiving fourth-round QB Tyler Wilson, per league source

Peanuts compared to the $$ they wasted on Palmer/Flynn

 

[Bri]

I was wondering about this, in reverse. Seems like there were a lot more draft picks that didn't make rosters this year. Especially 4-6th round guys.

nah it's pretty normal since they started that compensatory pick deal

 

[DoubleG]

Ross Tucker‏@RossTuckerNFL14m

Close to $500K signing bonus down the drain. MT: @ProFootballTalk: Raiders are waiving fourth-round QB Tyler Wilson, per league source

Peanuts compared to the $$ they wasted on Palmer/Flynn

Flynn, yes, wasted. In fairness though, over the last year and half Palmer has started 26 games for the Raiders, thrown for for 6500+ yards and 35 TDs, and last season posted a respectable 85.3 passer rating while throwing 22TDs and 14 INTs over 15 games.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Ross Tucker‏@RossTuckerNFL14m

Close to $500K signing bonus down the drain. MT: @ProFootballTalk: Raiders are waiving fourth-round QB Tyler Wilson, per league source

Peanuts compared to the $$ they wasted on Palmer/Flynn

Flynn, yes, wasted. In fairness though, over the last year and half Palmer has started 26 games for the Raiders, thrown for for 6500+ yards and 35 TDs, and last season posted a respectable 85.3 passer rating while throwing 22TDs and 14 INTs over 15 games.

You could discuss whether that production (mostly in garbage time, none of which amounted to much in terms of wins) was worth the $13 million a year Oakland was paying Palmer (I certainly don't think it was), but I don't think it's going out on a limb to suggest that Carson Palmer's production for the Oakland Raiders this year (0 yards, 0 TDs) will be worth nowhere near the $9.5 million dollars he'll be eating up on Oakland's cap.

 

[Donnybrook]

Obviously only significant for those with deep dynasty rosters.

Chiefs waived WR Devon Wylie.

 

[Donnybrook]

Some teams junk is other teams treasure. I swear the Jaguars have claimed about 8 different players already.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Obviously only significant for those with deep dynasty rosters.

Chiefs waived WR Devon Wylie.

Bowe, then...

Avery

AJ Jenkins

McCluster

Hemingway

Can't quite make up my mind what to think of the guy, but have a feeling Hemingway may turn out to be the answer opposite Bowe here. McCluster is a gadget guy, Jenkins and Avery have both washed out elsewhere and Hemingway has looked pretty good in the preseason. If Kelce doesn't emerge as a standout TE the WR2 could have some value as well.

 

[Bri]

Bears-Signed LB Jerry Franklin, CB Demontre Hurst, QB Jerrod Johnson, WR Ricardo Lockette, TE Fendi Onobun, FB Harvey Unga and DE Aston Whiteside to the practice squad.

Lockette was a niner and seahawk in 2011. Blazing speed, played very little 2 catches 105 yards. Still, it's always curious when a team takes a chance on a player that was on two other teams practice squads and didn't do much of anything.

 

[cstu]

Obviously only significant for those with deep dynasty rosters.

Chiefs waived WR Devon Wylie.

Bowe, then...

Avery

AJ Jenkins

McCluster

Hemingway

Can't quite make up my mind what to think of the guy, but have a feeling Hemingway may turn out to be the answer opposite Bowe here. McCluster is a gadget guy, Jenkins and Avery have both washed out elsewhere and Hemingway has looked pretty good in the preseason. If Kelce doesn't emerge as a standout TE the WR2 could have some value as well.

It's funny that neither of the two best options after Avery (Jenkins and Hemingway) caught a pass their rookie year.

 

[Donnybrook]

Obviously only significant for those with deep dynasty rosters.

Chiefs waived WR Devon Wylie.

Bowe, then...

Avery

AJ Jenkins

McCluster

Hemingway

Can't quite make up my mind what to think of the guy, but have a feeling Hemingway may turn out to be the answer opposite Bowe here. McCluster is a gadget guy, Jenkins and Avery have both washed out elsewhere and Hemingway has looked pretty good in the preseason. If Kelce doesn't emerge as a standout TE the WR2 could have some value as well.

Chad Hall will be replacing Wylie at least temporarily for the Chiefs

 

[Bri]

Pats signed Miami DT http://musketfire.com/2013/09/01/patriots-claim-a-j-francis-add-justin-green-and-jeff-tarpinian-to-practice-squad/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot%2BTopics

 

[cstu]

eagles cut salas

Salas, Shepard and Momah all cut.

 

[Donnybrook]

eagles cut salas

Salas, Shepard and Momah all cut.

And Clay Harbor who was later claimed by Jags

 

[Grand Master B]

Ross Tucker‏@RossTuckerNFL14m

Close to $500K signing bonus down the drain. MT: @ProFootballTalk: Raiders are waiving fourth-round QB Tyler Wilson, per league source

Peanuts compared to the $$ they wasted on Palmer/Flynn

Flynn, yes, wasted. In fairness though, over the last year and half Palmer has started 26 games for the Raiders, thrown for for 6500+ yards and 35 TDs, and last season posted a respectable 85.3 passer rating while throwing 22TDs and 14 INTs over 15 games.

You could discuss whether that production (mostly in garbage time, none of which amounted to much in terms of wins) was worth the $13 million a year Oakland was paying Palmer (I certainly don't think it was), but I don't think it's going out on a limb to suggest that Carson Palmer's production for the Oakland Raiders this year (0 yards, 0 TDs) will be worth nowhere near the $9.5 million dollars he'll be eating up on Oakland's cap.

My point. Its absolutely devastating for a team to have so much dead money tied up.

 

[Bri]

I'm surprised it took the Panthers so long to cut ties with Claussen.

 

[aggs]

Indy releasing Kerywnn Williams was a surprise. A lot of draftnicks liked the undersized back.

 

[Bri]

Ross Tucker‏@RossTuckerNFL14m

Close to $500K signing bonus down the drain. MT: @ProFootballTalk: Raiders are waiving fourth-round QB Tyler Wilson, per league source

Peanuts compared to the $$ they wasted on Palmer/Flynn

Flynn, yes, wasted. In fairness though, over the last year and half Palmer has started 26 games for the Raiders, thrown for for 6500+ yards and 35 TDs, and last season posted a respectable 85.3 passer rating while throwing 22TDs and 14 INTs over 15 games.

You could discuss whether that production (mostly in garbage time, none of which amounted to much in terms of wins) was worth the $13 million a year Oakland was paying Palmer (I certainly don't think it was), but I don't think it's going out on a limb to suggest that Carson Palmer's production for the Oakland Raiders this year (0 yards, 0 TDs) will be worth nowhere near the $9.5 million dollars he'll be eating up on Oakland's cap.

My point. Its absolutely devastating for a team to have so much dead money tied up.

If Oakland felt "stuck" with Palmer then they shouldn't have let him go. I think he's a fine QB. Generally the contract goes with a player so this is odd and seems mishandled by them. It's not surprising to see the Raiders shoot themselves in the foot.