Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[Das Boot]

Only in the FFA does a black kid have to justify not getting shot.

and Florida gated communities.

 

[humpback]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

 

[roadkill1292]

Brilliant Christo.I suppose racial motivation never exists when police are processing crimes? Is that the fairy-world you live in?

I never said that. I am laughing at you for insisting that racial motivation exists here based upon a few out of context statements by one cop.CASE CLOSED!

I'm surprised at how some of the people I considered to be kinda level-headed just jumped to an obvious conclusion. I don't know why I am, but I am.

If it helps to hear, I'm not very comfortable doing it. All too often, what I thought was obvious turned out to be not so.

 

[cstu]

Brilliant Christo.

I suppose racial motivation never exists when police are processing crimes? Is that the fairy-world you live in?

I never said that. I am laughing at you for insisting that racial motivation exists here based upon a few out of context statements by one cop.CASE CLOSED!

My gut feeling, and I have no way of proving this, is that the neighborhood watch guy was suspicious of a black teen in the neighborhood, and probably wouldn't have been as suspicious of a white teen in the neighborhood.

This is dead-on. But I have a small problem with it. If I see a poorly dressed black kid in a mostly white neighborhood late at night, I'm suspicious too. (Note that that doesn't necessarily apply here...this neighborhood is apparently not a mostly white upper middle class place) Does that fact alone make me a bigot or racist, or simply pragmatic and suspicious? Zimmerman's an idiot who probably (based on our limited info) deserves to be charged with a serious crime, but that crime is certainly not looking on an outsider in a gated community with suspicion.The racist label is applied too quickly and too liberally I think. Worse, we spend too much effort looking for it in white people and ignoring it in black people. My kids have been pushed around and picked on BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.

It's not important what Zimmerman's beliefs about black people are, what matters is that he stopped and harassed a kid and shot him when they got into a fight. Common sense tells me that race had something to do with why Zimmerman was suspicious, but it doesn't change the fact that he shot and killed a kid who he started a fight with.

 

[DiStefano]

Brilliant Christo.

I suppose racial motivation never exists when police are processing crimes? Is that the fairy-world you live in?

I never said that. I am laughing at you for insisting that racial motivation exists here based upon a few out of context statements by one cop.CASE CLOSED!

My gut feeling, and I have no way of proving this, is that the neighborhood watch guy was suspicious of a black teen in the neighborhood, and probably wouldn't have been as suspicious of a white teen in the neighborhood.

This is dead-on. But I have a small problem with it. If I see a poorly dressed black kid in a mostly white neighborhood late at night, I'm suspicious too. (Note that that doesn't necessarily apply here...this neighborhood is apparently not a mostly white upper middle class place) Does that fact alone make me a bigot or racist, or simply pragmatic and suspicious? Zimmerman's an idiot who probably (based on our limited info) deserves to be charged with a serious crime, but that crime is certainly not looking on an outsider in a gated community with suspicion.The racist label is applied too quickly and too liberally I think. Worse, we spend too much effort looking for it in white people and ignoring it in black people. My kids have been pushed around and picked on BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.

It's not important what Zimmerman's beliefs about black people are, what matters is that he stopped and harassed a kid and shot him when they got into a fight. Common sense tells me that race had something to do with why Zimmerman was suspicious, but it doesn't change the fact that he shot and killed a kid who he started a fight with.

Apparently you know that he started the fight. Maybe you ought to tell the police how you know this. He may have got out of the car, but what happened after that is all conjecture.

 

[cstu]

Brilliant Christo.

I suppose racial motivation never exists when police are processing crimes? Is that the fairy-world you live in?

I never said that. I am laughing at you for insisting that racial motivation exists here based upon a few out of context statements by one cop.CASE CLOSED!

My gut feeling, and I have no way of proving this, is that the neighborhood watch guy was suspicious of a black teen in the neighborhood, and probably wouldn't have been as suspicious of a white teen in the neighborhood.

This is dead-on. But I have a small problem with it. If I see a poorly dressed black kid in a mostly white neighborhood late at night, I'm suspicious too. (Note that that doesn't necessarily apply here...this neighborhood is apparently not a mostly white upper middle class place) Does that fact alone make me a bigot or racist, or simply pragmatic and suspicious? Zimmerman's an idiot who probably (based on our limited info) deserves to be charged with a serious crime, but that crime is certainly not looking on an outsider in a gated community with suspicion.The racist label is applied too quickly and too liberally I think. Worse, we spend too much effort looking for it in white people and ignoring it in black people. My kids have been pushed around and picked on BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.

It's not important what Zimmerman's beliefs about black people are, what matters is that he stopped and harassed a kid and shot him when they got into a fight. Common sense tells me that race had something to do with why Zimmerman was suspicious, but it doesn't change the fact that he shot and killed a kid who he started a fight with.

Apparently you know that he started the fight. Maybe you ought to tell the police how you know this. He may have got out of the car, but what happened after that is all conjecture.

Yes, I'm sure he got out of the car and politely introduced himself and the kid attacked him unprovoked. That makes the most sense, doesn't it?

 

[DiStefano]

Brilliant Christo.

I suppose racial motivation never exists when police are processing crimes? Is that the fairy-world you live in?

I never said that. I am laughing at you for insisting that racial motivation exists here based upon a few out of context statements by one cop.CASE CLOSED!

My gut feeling, and I have no way of proving this, is that the neighborhood watch guy was suspicious of a black teen in the neighborhood, and probably wouldn't have been as suspicious of a white teen in the neighborhood.

This is dead-on. But I have a small problem with it. If I see a poorly dressed black kid in a mostly white neighborhood late at night, I'm suspicious too. (Note that that doesn't necessarily apply here...this neighborhood is apparently not a mostly white upper middle class place) Does that fact alone make me a bigot or racist, or simply pragmatic and suspicious? Zimmerman's an idiot who probably (based on our limited info) deserves to be charged with a serious crime, but that crime is certainly not looking on an outsider in a gated community with suspicion.The racist label is applied too quickly and too liberally I think. Worse, we spend too much effort looking for it in white people and ignoring it in black people. My kids have been pushed around and picked on BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.

It's not important what Zimmerman's beliefs about black people are, what matters is that he stopped and harassed a kid and shot him when they got into a fight. Common sense tells me that race had something to do with why Zimmerman was suspicious, but it doesn't change the fact that he shot and killed a kid who he started a fight with.

Apparently you know that he started the fight. Maybe you ought to tell the police how you know this. He may have got out of the car, but what happened after that is all conjecture.

Yes, I'm sure he got out of the car and politely introduced himself and the kid attacked him unprovoked. That makes the most sense, doesn't it?

Not a question of sense. It is just that you are judge, jury and executioner because something that you did not witness is a "fact".

 

[renesauz]

Brilliant Christo.

I suppose racial motivation never exists when police are processing crimes? Is that the fairy-world you live in?

I never said that. I am laughing at you for insisting that racial motivation exists here based upon a few out of context statements by one cop.CASE CLOSED!

My gut feeling, and I have no way of proving this, is that the neighborhood watch guy was suspicious of a black teen in the neighborhood, and probably wouldn't have been as suspicious of a white teen in the neighborhood.

This is dead-on. But I have a small problem with it. If I see a poorly dressed black kid in a mostly white neighborhood late at night, I'm suspicious too. (Note that that doesn't necessarily apply here...this neighborhood is apparently not a mostly white upper middle class place) Does that fact alone make me a bigot or racist, or simply pragmatic and suspicious? Zimmerman's an idiot who probably (based on our limited info) deserves to be charged with a serious crime, but that crime is certainly not looking on an outsider in a gated community with suspicion.The racist label is applied too quickly and too liberally I think. Worse, we spend too much effort looking for it in white people and ignoring it in black people. My kids have been pushed around and picked on BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.

It's not important what Zimmerman's beliefs about black people are, what matters is that he stopped and harassed a kid and shot him when they got into a fight. Common sense tells me that race had something to do with why Zimmerman was suspicious, but it doesn't change the fact that he shot and killed a kid who he started a fight with.

I'm not disagreeing. What I'm saying is viewing a strange black kid in a mostly white neigborhood at night with some suspicion <> racism. The sad truth is that black youths are responsible for a VERY disproportionate number of crimes. We can argue about the why's all we want, but it doesn't change that basic fact. Zimmerman doesn't have to be racist to view this kid with suspicion.I am in no way trying to defend his actions as legit. Based on the info, I believe he's a complete moron likely guilty of manslaughter. I'm just sick of racism being leveled everytime a white guy does something stupid to a black guy....especially when we ignore it as a factor when the opposite occurs.

I honestly can't wait until the day when race isn't ever a consideration....when we are all some shade of light brown. But we aren't there yet...and won't be in our lifetimes. :(

 

[Topes]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

Well, it was on the page when I linked it. Looks like they've done some tidying up, after getting their Zimmersteins all mixed up. They all sound the same after a while, I guess..?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.

Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.

And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

because the DA in new hampshire is a moron?

 

[renesauz]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

because the DA in new hampshire is a moron?

No way that grandpa should be arrested. He should get a medal.

 

[humpback]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

Well, it was on the page when I linked it. Looks like they've done some tidying up, after getting their Zimmersteins all mixed up. They all sound the same after a while, I guess..?

An article that was posted on Feb. 29th listed his name as David Zimmerman, it stayed that way for 9 days, and then sometime between when you posted it today and I read it today they changed it (without noting that the article was updated)? These guys really are good.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

because the DA in new hampshire is a moron?

No way that grandpa should be arrested. He should get a medal.

I agree 100%, he never should have been arrested , but he was because he broke the law,as stupid as that law may be...my point is how can cops follow the law to the letter in a case where nobody dies yet in the zimmerman case they are still investigating? it doesnt add up.

 

[Topes]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

Well, it was on the page when I linked it. Looks like they've done some tidying up, after getting their Zimmersteins all mixed up. They all sound the same after a while, I guess..?

An article that was posted on Feb. 29th listed his name as David Zimmerman, it stayed that way for 9 days, and then sometime between when you posted it today and I read it today they changed it (without noting that the article was updated)? These guys really are good.

Exactly so. I didn't invent the quote this afternoon. That'd be stupid. I pasted from the article at the same time that I copied the link to the article for the hyperlinking provided.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

because the DA in new hampshire is a moron?

No way that grandpa should be arrested. He should get a medal.

I agree 100%, he never should have been arrested , but he was because he broke the law,as stupid as that law may be...my point is how can cops follow the law to the letter in a case where nobody dies yet in the zimmerman case they are still investigating? it doesnt add up.

Has he been convicted?

 

[humpback]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

Well, it was on the page when I linked it. Looks like they've done some tidying up, after getting their Zimmersteins all mixed up. They all sound the same after a while, I guess..?

An article that was posted on Feb. 29th listed his name as David Zimmerman, it stayed that way for 9 days, and then sometime between when you posted it today and I read it today they changed it (without noting that the article was updated)? These guys really are good.

Exactly so. I didn't invent the quote this afternoon. That'd be stupid. I pasted from the article at the same time that I copied the link to the article for the hyperlinking provided.

Keep fighting the good fight!

 

[Christo]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

 

[humpback]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

because the DA in new hampshire is a moron?

No way that grandpa should be arrested. He should get a medal.

I agree 100%, he never should have been arrested , but he was because he broke the law,as stupid as that law may be...my point is how can cops follow the law to the letter in a case where nobody dies yet in the zimmerman case they are still investigating? it doesnt add up.

Has he been convicted?

No, charges were dropped.

 

[mr roboto]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

Well, it was on the page when I linked it. Looks like they've done some tidying up, after getting their Zimmersteins all mixed up. They all sound the same after a while, I guess..?

An article that was posted on Feb. 29th listed his name as David Zimmerman, it stayed that way for 9 days, and then sometime between when you posted it today and I read it today they changed it (without noting that the article was updated)? These guys really are good.

Exactly so. I didn't invent the quote this afternoon. That'd be stupid. I pasted from the article at the same time that I copied the link to the article for the hyperlinking provided.

Keep fighting the good fight!

Did you click the link? He's right.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

because the DA in new hampshire is a moron?

No way that grandpa should be arrested. He should get a medal.

I agree 100%, he never should have been arrested , but he was because he broke the law,as stupid as that law may be...my point is how can cops follow the law to the letter in a case where nobody dies yet in the zimmerman case they are still investigating? it doesnt add up.

Has he been convicted?

No, charges were dropped.

So he didnt break the law after all?

 

[Topes]

Man accused of shooting teen had previous brush with law

Still not much more info about the 2005 charges here. One can search the records, but it doesn't show much at all. I have no way of being sure that's the same George Zimmerman.

 

[humpback]

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

See, this is gonna sound a bit but I hold these facts as a bit suspect.That is, though I don't necessarily believe it to eb the case, I would not be surprised if the cops helped Zimmerman out a bit by bloodying him up.

Is it likely? No.

If it were to be revealed at some later date that this happened, however, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I generally don't trust cops, especially when it comes to what they might do to cover for themselves and their friends.

"At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," Sanford police spokesman Sgt. David Zimmerman said.

Any relation?

HFS

Double HFS. I just clicked on the link, and this "quote" is bs. It says "At that point, Mr. Zimmerman was taken into custody, investigative detention if you will, and got to the station to conduct an interview with him to find out exactly what happened," a Sanford police spokesman said.Other articles quote Sgt. David Morgenstern, a Sanford police spokesman.

Well, it was on the page when I linked it. Looks like they've done some tidying up, after getting their Zimmersteins all mixed up. They all sound the same after a while, I guess..?

An article that was posted on Feb. 29th listed his name as David Zimmerman, it stayed that way for 9 days, and then sometime between when you posted it today and I read it today they changed it (without noting that the article was updated)? These guys really are good.

Exactly so. I didn't invent the quote this afternoon. That'd be stupid. I pasted from the article at the same time that I copied the link to the article for the hyperlinking provided.

Keep fighting the good fight!

Did you click the link? He's right.

Yeah, I clicked it- 5 results, one of them is this thread, and the others reference this article that has been "corrected".Regardless, Topes has been wearing google out today, it probably would have be wise to do a bit of fact-checking before claiming conspiracy theory. I suppose actual facts aren't necessary to many in this thread though.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

 

[Topes]

WFTV uncovered a picture that George Zimmerman took at the Orange County Jail in 2005 when he was arrested for battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence.

Yet, no details on said picture. Picture of what?

 

[Topes]

We finally have a picture of Zimmerman. It's not "a picture that George Zimmerman took at Orange County Jail" but is apparently a picture taken of Zimmerman at Orange County Jail in 2005.

"The police chief said residents upset by the lack of an arrest so far should wait until the investigation is completed, as soon as next week."

 

[Topes]

Sp, does the Castle Doctrine apply to the streets of Florida..?

 

[RCon]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

Well, for one reason, because that investigation is complete and this one is still ongoing?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

We finally have a picture of Zimmerman. It's not "a picture that George Zimmerman took at Orange County Jail" but is apparently a picture taken of Zimmerman at Orange County Jail in 2005.

"The police chief said residents upset by the lack of an arrest so far should wait until the investigation is completed, as soon as next week."

I usually dont judge someone by size or appearence but Zimmerman doesnt look like someone who would get his ### kicked by a 140 lb kid, and he certainly wouldnt need a gun .This story is wacked.If zimmerman gets off im guessing its gonna get pretty ugly in florida.

 

[Christo]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

 

[Topes]

I'm wondering whether the police thought delaying this for a couple weeks might help it to blow over, before they forwarded the self-defense case to the DA.

If that's the case, that might have been a miscalculation.

It's made international news, is still percolating and now the New Black Panthers are involved.

Once Sarah Palin chooses a side, it's

.

 

[Guest]

Sp, does the Castle Doctrine apply to the streets of Florida..?

It applies virtually everywhere. Some of those quotes may end up being prescient.

Not everyone is pleased with the law, however. Critics say the changes will encourage a "Wild West" atmosphere in Florida, where people are emboldened to use deadly force without fear of prosecution.

Geller tried unsuccessfully to offer an amendment to remove the street self-defense provision. He said men, liquored-up at a sporting event, could easily get into a deadly confrontation and then claim self-defense.

"Does this sound like some bad western you've seen?" he asked.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

Oh i dont know,why dont you ask the black panthers or the family of the victim...if you even have to ask ...ahhh never mind, just keep acting like you`re being neutral while you`re clearly not....take care.

 

[Christo]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.

Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.

And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

Oh i dont know,why dont you ask the black panthers or the family of the victim...if you even have to ask ...ahhh never mind, just keep acting like you`re being neutral while you`re clearly not....take care.

At least you are recognizing its about politics rather than guilt or innocence.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.

Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.

And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

Oh i dont know,why dont you ask the black panthers or the family of the victim...if you even have to ask ...ahhh never mind, just keep acting like you`re being neutral while you`re clearly not....take care.

At least you are recognizing its about politics rather than guilt or innocence.

Well if YOU say so then it must be true.

 

[Christo]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.

Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.

And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

Oh i dont know,why dont you ask the black panthers or the family of the victim...if you even have to ask ...ahhh never mind, just keep acting like you`re being neutral while you`re clearly not....take care.

At least you are recognizing its about politics rather than guilt or innocence.

Well if YOU say so then it must be true.

If that's not it what is it? This is exactly why I asked you the question. What is the significance of a quick arrest? The investigation is still going to be conducted. It has no bearing on whether charges are going to be brought based upon the results of the investigation. If he's charged, it has no bearing on whether he's going to cut a deal or if it goes to trial, whether he's going to be found guilty or innocent.What changes if the guy was arrested last Monday as opposed to next Monday?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.

Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.

And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

Oh i dont know,why dont you ask the black panthers or the family of the victim...if you even have to ask ...ahhh never mind, just keep acting like you`re being neutral while you`re clearly not....take care.

At least you are recognizing its about politics rather than guilt or innocence.

Well if YOU say so then it must be true.

If that's not it what is it? This is exactly why I asked you the question. What is the significance of a quick arrest? The investigation is still going to be conducted. It has no bearing on whether charges are going to be brought based upon the results of the investigation. If he's charged, it has no bearing on whether he's going to cut a deal or if it goes to trial, whether he's going to be found guilty or innocent.What changes if the guy was arrested last Monday as opposed to next Monday?

Then whats the point of arresting anyone at the scene of a crime if thats your stance.

 

[renesauz]

Then whats the point of arresting anyone at the scene of a crime if thats your stance.

Once you're fairly certain of the charges, the arrest ensures that to remain (temporarily) free, the defendant most post some surety he's not going anywhere (bail). If charges are uncertain (from none to murder), the suspect is cooperating, and there's little risk of him running, an immediate arrest accomplishes nothing of value. CHARGES MUST BE BROUGHT before a suspect can be held more than a day or so. If the cops don't expect to be ready to bring charges within 24-48 hours, than the arrest can actually harm the case.

 

[Christo]

Im beginning to think Christo is somehow related to Zimmerman.

Have you all forgotten that when the cops told Zimmerman to wait for them that he said ''but they always get away'' , thats almost premeditated, like he had already planned on ''acting'' instead of waiting the next time he thought he needed to.

And lets not forget what happened recently in NH, a story thats still on this board .....A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

Now explain to me how THIS guy gets arrested and Zimmerman doesnt.

New Hampshire is a blue state and Florida is a red state.Why are you people so wound up about an arrest? What significance does it hold for you?

I answered your question, care to answer mine?

Oh i dont know,why dont you ask the black panthers or the family of the victim...if you even have to ask ...ahhh never mind, just keep acting like you`re being neutral while you`re clearly not....take care.

At least you are recognizing its about politics rather than guilt or innocence.

Well if YOU say so then it must be true.

If that's not it what is it? This is exactly why I asked you the question. What is the significance of a quick arrest? The investigation is still going to be conducted. It has no bearing on whether charges are going to be brought based upon the results of the investigation. If he's charged, it has no bearing on whether he's going to cut a deal or if it goes to trial, whether he's going to be found guilty or innocent.What changes if the guy was arrested last Monday as opposed to next Monday?

Then whats the point of arresting anyone at the scene of a crime if thats your stance.

Answer the question.

 

[renesauz]

Answer the question.

See above. No arrest is worth a damn unless charges are brought by the DA within 24 hours or so. If charges are NOT brought, it potentially opens the city up to a lawsuit.Believe it or not...most crimes don't result in immediate arrest, even when the suspect is identified immediately.

 

[fatness]

Zimmerman has been interviewed three times and is cooperating. He is claiming self-defence, even though he was following Martin, police said

link

 

[Fennis]

Why hasn't the 911 call been released?

 

[Christo]

Answer the question.

See above. No arrest is worth a damn unless charges are brought by the DA within 24 hours or so. If charges are NOT brought, it potentially opens the city up to a lawsuit.Believe it or not...most crimes don't result in immediate arrest, even when the suspect is identified immediately.

I'm interested in his answer because he's advocating a quick arrest.

 

[Christo]

Why hasn't the 911 call been released?

This has already been answered. It hasn't been released because the investigation isn't complete.

 

[Fennis]

Why hasn't the 911 call been released?

This has already been answered. It hasn't been released because the investigation isn't complete.

sorry for not following you on twitter

 

[Christo]

Why hasn't the 911 call been released?

This has already been answered. It hasn't been released because the investigation isn't complete.

sorry for not following you on twitter

It's been discussed in this thread. But don't let that stop you.

 

[Fennis]

Why hasn't the 911 call been released?

This has already been answered. It hasn't been released because the investigation isn't complete.

sorry for not following you on twitter

It's been discussed in this thread. But don't let that stop you.

ok

 

[Fennis]

Why hasn't the 911 call been released?

 

[Topes]

When does Zimmerman get his medal for heroic bravery in the face of melanin?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Answer the question.

See above. No arrest is worth a damn unless charges are brought by the DA within 24 hours or so. If charges are NOT brought, it potentially opens the city up to a lawsuit.Believe it or not...most crimes don't result in immediate arrest, even when the suspect is identified immediately.

I'm interested in his answer because he's advocating a quick arrest.

This is why...'My son left Sanford, Florida in a body bag. While George Zimmerman went home to go to sleep in his own bed.' -Tracy MartinI have enough cops friends that have said there job is to arrest anyone who apprears to have committed a crime and let the judge take it from there. I also have been arrested on the spot for something as trivial as an open container of beer, if a cop pulls up to a scene where someone is laying dead with a bullet in his chest and you have a guy standing over him holding a gun they dont let that person go home, they arrest him , book him then let a judge decide if hes to go free on bail. Thats how it works where im from. THATS MY ANSWER.