Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[kentric]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

defacing public property --> pot smoker --> potentially holding stolen property --> refereeing fights. Pretty soon comes cow tipping, pulling labels off of mattresses and murder. I've seen it a million times. it's inevitable.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

 

[mad sweeney]

To me it's difficult to argue that getting killed because of a beatdown is justice. Although Zimmerman may have had the legal right to shoot Trayvon, I'm pretty sure most people would say that the result was excessive and unwarranted.

I can agree with that. I'm not sure where you draw the line between simple "beatdown" and something that is excessive, or how you can know to what extent this confrontation would have gone if it weren't forcefully stopped.I'm not sure there was any real threat of death, maybe a verbal one, so I don't think death is justified for Trayvon. Being shot may have been justified, but there again, you have different degrees of this alleged crime.. If Zimmerman would have shot and only wounded Trayvon, I don't think anyone would have had seen any issue with that as long as Trayvon was on top of, and pummeling Zimmerman as the story goes and eye witnesses describe..

The death is unfortunate. In my opinion there is no justification in and intentional killing. Was Zimmermans intent to kill Trayvon, or to subdue his attacker? I'd guess the latter.. But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I often shoot people point blank in the chest in my attempts to subdue them. Nice to see you're spinning wild fantasies about things no one knows about. Can't wait til you jump on the next person who does that!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

Jesus. He's gone completely off the deep end.

That's been his point the whole time.

Without knowing the real story, how can you judge the conclusion, what will "Justice for Trayvon" be? Because at this point, he might have already gotten the justice he deserved.. You can't know..

Has it? The only reason I talked about it now is because the original post was brought up..

 

[mad sweeney]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

 

[TexanFan02]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

I'm posting from the grave, myself. My evil lifestyle did me in years ago.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

To me it's difficult to argue that getting killed because of a beatdown is justice. Although Zimmerman may have had the legal right to shoot Trayvon, I'm pretty sure most people would say that the result was excessive and unwarranted.

I can agree with that. I'm not sure where you draw the line between simple "beatdown" and something that is excessive, or how you can know to what extent this confrontation would have gone if it weren't forcefully stopped.I'm not sure there was any real threat of death, maybe a verbal one, so I don't think death is justified for Trayvon. Being shot may have been justified, but there again, you have different degrees of this alleged crime.. If Zimmerman would have shot and only wounded Trayvon, I don't think anyone would have had seen any issue with that as long as Trayvon was on top of, and pummeling Zimmerman as the story goes and eye witnesses describe..

The death is unfortunate. In my opinion there is no justification in and intentional killing. Was Zimmermans intent to kill Trayvon, or to subdue his attacker? I'd guess the latter.. But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I often shoot people point blank in the chest in my attempts to subdue them. Nice to see you're spinning wild fantasies about things no one knows about. Can't wait til you jump on the next person who does that!

If you've ever been trained to use a gun you'd know that center mass is where you're taught to shot someone..Which part is a fantasy?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

 

[mad sweeney]

To me it's difficult to argue that getting killed because of a beatdown is justice. Although Zimmerman may have had the legal right to shoot Trayvon, I'm pretty sure most people would say that the result was excessive and unwarranted.

I can agree with that. I'm not sure where you draw the line between simple "beatdown" and something that is excessive, or how you can know to what extent this confrontation would have gone if it weren't forcefully stopped.I'm not sure there was any real threat of death, maybe a verbal one, so I don't think death is justified for Trayvon. Being shot may have been justified, but there again, you have different degrees of this alleged crime.. If Zimmerman would have shot and only wounded Trayvon, I don't think anyone would have had seen any issue with that as long as Trayvon was on top of, and pummeling Zimmerman as the story goes and eye witnesses describe..

The death is unfortunate. In my opinion there is no justification in and intentional killing. Was Zimmermans intent to kill Trayvon, or to subdue his attacker? I'd guess the latter.. But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I often shoot people point blank in the chest in my attempts to subdue them. Nice to see you're spinning wild fantasies about things no one knows about. Can't wait til you jump on the next person who does that!

If you've ever been trained to use a gun you'd know that center mass is where you're taught to shot someone..Which part is a fantasy?

You guessed that zimn's intent was to subdue his attacker. That's a fantasy. Martina's inevitable date with a bullet, based on stupid HS stuff is another.

 

[mad sweeney]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

The word fairly modifies the word typical. Qualifies it a little bit. There's most definitely nothing in there that supports your theory that Martin got what was coming to him or that his future would end in a bullet. Just more of the grandstanding and exaggerating that you slam the people on martins side for doing. Makes me chuckle.

 

[Zow]

It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.

After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn't have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff's Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That's also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Trayvon's family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his "late teens."

And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Trayvon.

Orlando Sentinel

So what we've got here is a number of lies by Zimmerman. Not just one, but several. Can ANY of this be used at trial to challenge his credibility on the witness stand?

The actual answer is: It depends. On several things. Christo is betting on it not happening, but it could.

What are the several things it depends on?

Whether Zimmerman takes the stand, whether O'Mara gets it excluded for any number of other things. If Zimmerman doesn't take the stand it probably doesn't come up. But he's a nutjob, he will.

It still likely won't come up. None of that stuff is relevant. In order for a previous statement to be used to attack one's credibility, the declarant has to first say something different at trial.

 

[TexanFan02]

It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.

After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn't have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff's Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That's also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Trayvon's family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his "late teens."

And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Trayvon.

Orlando Sentinel

So what we've got here is a number of lies by Zimmerman. Not just one, but several. Can ANY of this be used at trial to challenge his credibility on the witness stand?

The actual answer is: It depends. On several things. Christo is betting on it not happening, but it could.

What are the several things it depends on?

Whether Zimmerman takes the stand, whether O'Mara gets it excluded for any number of other things. If Zimmerman doesn't take the stand it probably doesn't come up. But he's a nutjob, he will.

It still likely won't come up. None of that stuff is relevant. In order for a previous statement to be used to attack one's credibility, the declarant has to first say something different at trial.

I would imagine the Prosecutors will try to work it in somehow. Probably won't work, but they'll try.

 

[Zow]

It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.

After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn't have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff's Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That's also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Trayvon's family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his "late teens."

And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Trayvon.

Orlando Sentinel

So what we've got here is a number of lies by Zimmerman. Not just one, but several. Can ANY of this be used at trial to challenge his credibility on the witness stand?

The actual answer is: It depends. On several things. Christo is betting on it not happening, but it could.

What are the several things it depends on?

Whether Zimmerman takes the stand, whether O'Mara gets it excluded for any number of other things. If Zimmerman doesn't take the stand it probably doesn't come up. But he's a nutjob, he will.

Christo says Zimmerman has to take the stand.

He's right. When asserting self-defense, one has to put forth evidence of it (as opposed to where normally a defendant has no burden to prove or show anything). Zimmerman testifying is pretty much the only way plausible here for him to assert that defense. But again, it doesn't mean all the prior "inconsistent" statements you guys have pointed out can be brought up.

 

[Zow]

It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.

After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn't have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff's Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That's also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Trayvon's family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his "late teens."

And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Trayvon.

Orlando Sentinel

So what we've got here is a number of lies by Zimmerman. Not just one, but several. Can ANY of this be used at trial to challenge his credibility on the witness stand?

The actual answer is: It depends. On several things. Christo is betting on it not happening, but it could.

What are the several things it depends on?

Whether Zimmerman takes the stand, whether O'Mara gets it excluded for any number of other things. If Zimmerman doesn't take the stand it probably doesn't come up. But he's a nutjob, he will.

It still likely won't come up. None of that stuff is relevant. In order for a previous statement to be used to attack one's credibility, the declarant has to first say something different at trial.

I would imagine the Prosecutors will try to work it in somehow. Probably won't work, but they'll try.

Their admittance should be litigated before trial even starts. If they're kept out the prosecutor won't try because doing so could result in a mistrial and sanctions.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

how about the fact he saved his wheelchair bound uncle from burning to death. Or that he had dreams of being a pilot. That he often worked the concession stands for free at school games.That he was loved by his peers and teachers alike. That he was the type of teenager who never let the memory of his beloved granmother die by wearing a pin on his clothes in her honor (which you can hear zimmerman make reference to in his 911 call). He had a good side to him and what appears to be good caring parents.

 

[pantherclub]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

He was 17 right?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

To me it's difficult to argue that getting killed because of a beatdown is justice. Although Zimmerman may have had the legal right to shoot Trayvon, I'm pretty sure most people would say that the result was excessive and unwarranted.

I can agree with that. I'm not sure where you draw the line between simple "beatdown" and something that is excessive, or how you can know to what extent this confrontation would have gone if it weren't forcefully stopped.I'm not sure there was any real threat of death, maybe a verbal one, so I don't think death is justified for Trayvon. Being shot may have been justified, but there again, you have different degrees of this alleged crime.. If Zimmerman would have shot and only wounded Trayvon, I don't think anyone would have had seen any issue with that as long as Trayvon was on top of, and pummeling Zimmerman as the story goes and eye witnesses describe..

The death is unfortunate. In my opinion there is no justification in and intentional killing. Was Zimmermans intent to kill Trayvon, or to subdue his attacker? I'd guess the latter.. But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I often shoot people point blank in the chest in my attempts to subdue them. Nice to see you're spinning wild fantasies about things no one knows about. Can't wait til you jump on the next person who does that!

If you've ever been trained to use a gun you'd know that center mass is where you're taught to shot someone..Which part is a fantasy?

You guessed that zimn's intent was to subdue his attacker. That's a fantasy. Martina's inevitable date with a bullet, based on stupid HS stuff is another.

Giving both options and leaning towards one or the other is somehow wrong? If someone was on top of me, attacking me, the first thing I'd be thinking would be to get him off, subdue the attack. If I couldn't stop him or get him off, and I had a gun, I'd use it to do so.. Not a far leap.. I also stated another option which I'm not leaning towards. Without knowing for sure one way or another that's the best one could do.You on the other hand see only the option that Zimmerman was intent on killing an innocent young man.. You leave no openings for it to have been any other way, yet you don't have facts to back that up.. Those facts we will never have..

Lots of young kids on the wrong path end up in gun play.. Being shot at, shooting others.. I didn't say it was inevitable for Trayvon, I said IF he was on a bad path, it MAY have been inevitable..

Are you saying it's not possible that he was on the wrong path? Or that it's not possible that guns were in this kids future?

You seem to think having illegal drugs at school and getting suspended multiple times is typical behavior with the only potential reasoning being 'because it happens'.. Teenagers get involved with guns as well, typically the ones that do are also involved with illegal drugs and have troubles at school..

 

[flysack]

Did they ever find out who killed that Martin kid?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

He was 17 right?

Yes, he was 17.. You have a point to make?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

how about the fact he saved his wheelchair bound uncle from burning to death. Or that he had dreams of being a pilot. That he often worked the concession stands for free at school games.That he was loved by his peers and teachers alike. That he was the type of teenager who never let the memory of his beloved granmother die by wearing a pin on his clothes in her honor (which you can hear zimmerman make reference to in his 911 call). He had a good side to him and what appears to be good caring parents.

Maybe he was going to be a great kid, just a few wrong turns, bumps in the road..Where are you getting that he was "loved by his peers and teachers alike"?

Even gang members give love and loyalty to friends and family..

I don't think we know enough about his parents to say that they were "Good and Caring".. Obviously something had gone wrong at home that he was suspended from school, and had to be sent to his fathers house.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

The word fairly modifies the word typical. Qualifies it a little bit. There's most definitely nothing in there that supports your theory that Martin got what was coming to him or that his future would end in a bullet. Just more of the grandstanding and exaggerating that you slam the people on martins side for doing. Makes me chuckle.

I'd still disagree.. It's not "Fairly Typical"And I never said Martin got what was coming to him.. I said the use of a gun MAY have been justified. Here again, we don't know all the facts, so you don't know that it wasn't

 

[BustedKnuckles]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

how about the fact he saved his wheelchair bound uncle from burning to death. Or that he had dreams of being a pilot. That he often worked the concession stands for free at school games.That he was loved by his peers and teachers alike. That he was the type of teenager who never let the memory of his beloved granmother die by wearing a pin on his clothes in her honor (which you can hear zimmerman make reference to in his 911 call). He had a good side to him and what appears to be good caring parents.

Maybe he was going to be a great kid, just a few wrong turns, bumps in the road..Where are you getting that he was "loved by his peers and teachers alike"?

Even gang members give love and loyalty to friends and family..

I don't think we know enough about his parents to say that they were "Good and Caring".. Obviously something had gone wrong at home that he was suspended from school, and had to be sent to his fathers house.

ive seen interviews on tv with treys teachers talking about what a good kid he was. He had hundreds of friends as seen by the outpouring of sorrow that was on his facebook page after his death.He has NO real evidence of being violent other than some stupid hearsay tweet about a bus driver.Even that desperate attempt to tie him in with video fights was lame, and if he was there he wasnt fighting so big deal, yet another dead end. If any of that was true im sure it would have been addressed by the school. You are reaching C.H and looking pretty sad doing so.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I love how each of CH's arguments always come down to "we don't know what happened except that Zimmerman was completely justified and Martin was a punk who was going to be a serial rapist/drug kingpin in the next few years".

 

[pantherclub]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

how about the fact he saved his wheelchair bound uncle from burning to death. Or that he had dreams of being a pilot. That he often worked the concession stands for free at school games.That he was loved by his peers and teachers alike. That he was the type of teenager who never let the memory of his beloved granmother die by wearing a pin on his clothes in her honor (which you can hear zimmerman make reference to in his 911 call). He had a good side to him and what appears to be good caring parents.

Maybe he was going to be a great kid, just a few wrong turns, bumps in the road..Where are you getting that he was "loved by his peers and teachers alike"?

Even gang members give love and loyalty to friends and family..

I don't think we know enough about his parents to say that they were "Good and Caring".. Obviously something had gone wrong at home that he was suspended from school, and had to be sent to his fathers house.

ive seen interviews on tv with treys teachers talking about what a good kid he was. He had hundreds of friends as seen by the outpouring of sorrow that was on his facebook page after his death.He has NO real evidence of being violent other than some stupid hearsay tweet about a bus driver.Even that desperate attempt to tie him in with video fights was lame, and if he was there he wasnt fighting so big deal, yet another dead end. If any of that was true im sure it would have been addressed by the school. You are reaching C.H and looking pretty sad doing so.

Carolina Hustler reaching? Get the #### out of here.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I love how each of CH's arguments always come down to "we don't know what happened except that Zimmerman was completely justified and Martin was a punk who was going to be a serial rapist/drug kingpin in the next few years".

 

[mad sweeney]

To me it's difficult to argue that getting killed because of a beatdown is justice. Although Zimmerman may have had the legal right to shoot Trayvon, I'm pretty sure most people would say that the result was excessive and unwarranted.

I can agree with that. I'm not sure where you draw the line between simple "beatdown" and something that is excessive, or how you can know to what extent this confrontation would have gone if it weren't forcefully stopped.I'm not sure there was any real threat of death, maybe a verbal one, so I don't think death is justified for Trayvon. Being shot may have been justified, but there again, you have different degrees of this alleged crime.. If Zimmerman would have shot and only wounded Trayvon, I don't think anyone would have had seen any issue with that as long as Trayvon was on top of, and pummeling Zimmerman as the story goes and eye witnesses describe..

The death is unfortunate. In my opinion there is no justification in and intentional killing. Was Zimmermans intent to kill Trayvon, or to subdue his attacker? I'd guess the latter.. But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I often shoot people point blank in the chest in my attempts to subdue them. Nice to see you're spinning wild fantasies about things no one knows about. Can't wait til you jump on the next person who does that!

If you've ever been trained to use a gun you'd know that center mass is where you're taught to shot someone..Which part is a fantasy?

You guessed that zimn's intent was to subdue his attacker. That's a fantasy. Martina's inevitable date with a bullet, based on stupid HS stuff is another.

Giving both options and leaning towards one or the other is somehow wrong? If someone was on top of me, attacking me, the first thing I'd be thinking would be to get him off, subdue the attack. If I couldn't stop him or get him off, and I had a gun, I'd use it to do so.. Not a far leap.. I also stated another option which I'm not leaning towards. Without knowing for sure one way or another that's the best one could do.You on the other hand see only the option that Zimmerman was intent on killing an innocent young man.. You leave no openings for it to have been any other way, yet you don't have facts to back that up.. Those facts we will never have..

Lots of young kids on the wrong path end up in gun play.. Being shot at, shooting others.. I didn't say it was inevitable for Trayvon, I said IF he was on a bad path, it MAY have been inevitable..

Are you saying it's not possible that he was on the wrong path? Or that it's not possible that guns were in this kids future?

You seem to think having illegal drugs at school and getting suspended multiple times is typical behavior with the only potential reasoning being 'because it happens'.. Teenagers get involved with guns as well, typically the ones that do are also involved with illegal drugs and have troubles at school..

X I've never said anything remotely close to that. But if I did, it'd still be more accurate than your claim that you think Z was only trying to subdue Martin by shooting him point blank in the heart.

 

[mad sweeney]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

The word fairly modifies the word typical. Qualifies it a little bit. There's most definitely nothing in there that supports your theory that Martin got what was coming to him or that his future would end in a bullet. Just more of the grandstanding and exaggerating that you slam the people on martins side for doing. Makes me chuckle.

I'd still disagree.. It's not "Fairly Typical"And I never said Martin got what was coming to him.. I said the use of a gun MAY have been justified. Here again, we don't know all the facts, so you don't know that it wasn't

You certainly have a lot of opinions about what happened, unless someone calls you on it, then your vocabulary starts to change for a bit.

 

[fatness]

Did they ever find out who killed that Martin kid?

The "confused, scared" guy Nurse Hustler is caring for. I believe he calls him "Zim".

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I love how each of CH's arguments always come down to "we don't know what happened except that Zimmerman was completely justified and Martin was a punk who was going to be a serial rapist/drug kingpin in the next few years".

Yea that's what was said..Exaggerate much?

 

[fatness]

Many have speculated that the case won't get to trial but, rather, could be settled at an immunity hearing under Florida's stand-your-ground law, which allows deadly force to prevent death or serious injury.

If such a hearing takes place, the outcome would be in the hands of Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester — the same judge who just determined Zimmerman was deceitful and threw him back in jail.

link

 

[mad sweeney]

I love how each of CH's arguments always come down to "we don't know what happened except that Zimmerman was completely justified and Martin was a punk who was going to be a serial rapist/drug kingpin in the next few years".

Yea that's what was said..Exaggerate much?

Pretty much what you write, except when you backtrack after getting called on it. Cue emoticon...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I love how each of CH's arguments always come down to "we don't know what happened except that Zimmerman was completely justified and Martin was a punk who was going to be a serial rapist/drug kingpin in the next few years".

Yea that's what was said..

Exaggerate much?

Pretty much what you write, except when you backtrack after getting called on it. Cue emoticon...

I said IF trayvon attacked Zimmerman, and IF Zimmerman was the one on bottom crying out for help, then Zimmerman was justified..That was only prompted buy the mobs claim that there is no justification and that Zimmerman is guilty of murder.. I don't agree with the mob, so the mob misrepresents what I say and attacks me.. (<your emoticon)

I never called Trayvon a punk.. I said he didn't look innocent based on his recent history, and that he could have been on the wrong path.. And I never said anything remotely close to "serial rapist/drug kingpin"..

Keep trying though guys

 

[fatness]

If O'Mara asks for an immunity hearing, he will have to decide whether to allow Zimmerman to testify.

link

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

Seems like a fairly typical teenager. Not an honor student goody goody but I did most of that myself. Guess I can expect my justice to be coming to me any day now!

Typical teenagers have multiple suspensions in one year and are caught with illegal drugs at school?Some how, even as one of the kids on the wrong path, I wasn't suspended more than twice my 3 years in high school, never had drugs at school, and was never caught with stolen property..

You're out of your mind if you think thats typical

The word fairly modifies the word typical. Qualifies it a little bit. There's most definitely nothing in there that supports your theory that Martin got what was coming to him or that his future would end in a bullet. Just more of the grandstanding and exaggerating that you slam the people on martins side for doing. Makes me chuckle.

I'd still disagree.. It's not "Fairly Typical"And I never said Martin got what was coming to him.. I said the use of a gun MAY have been justified. Here again, we don't know all the facts, so you don't know that it wasn't

You certainly have a lot of opinions about what happened, unless someone calls you on it, then your vocabulary starts to change for a bit.

Just stick to your claims of racist comments, and maybe work on that what teenagers "typically" do thing...What would you say the "typical" percentage of teenagers is that were suspended from school 4 times in one year and were caught with illegal drugs at school? Since it's typical, maybe 75%?

Hey, I just played Zimmermans 911 tape backwards and it said "Trayvon is a ###### coon and I'm going to hunt him down and kill him".. The damnedest thing.. You were just listening to it play in the wrong direction, but you were right all along..

 

[pantherclub]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that? I haven't used any words there that haven't already been used in this thread a million times..Should you do a search on Mad Sweeney's posts from earlier in the thread?

 

[fatness]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that?

"Must Be At Least This Tall To Get On This Ride" comes to mind.

 

[TexanFan02]

It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.

After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn't have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff's Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That's also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Trayvon's family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his "late teens."

And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Trayvon.

Orlando Sentinel

So what we've got here is a number of lies by Zimmerman. Not just one, but several. Can ANY of this be used at trial to challenge his credibility on the witness stand?

The actual answer is: It depends. On several things. Christo is betting on it not happening, but it could.

What are the several things it depends on?

Whether Zimmerman takes the stand, whether O'Mara gets it excluded for any number of other things. If Zimmerman doesn't take the stand it probably doesn't come up. But he's a nutjob, he will.

It still likely won't come up. None of that stuff is relevant. In order for a previous statement to be used to attack one's credibility, the declarant has to first say something different at trial.

I would imagine the Prosecutors will try to work it in somehow. Probably won't work, but they'll try.

Their admittance should be litigated before trial even starts. If they're kept out the prosecutor won't try because doing so could result in a mistrial and sanctions.

So you're saying there's a chance? That's all I was saying. Christo is saying there's no chance.

 

[mad sweeney]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that? I haven't used any words there that haven't already been used in this thread a million times..Should you do a search on Mad Sweeney's posts from earlier in the thread?

I haven't even approached bannable in this thread.

 

[TexanFan02]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

FBG doesn't ban for dumb. They'd lose half their posters, minimum.

 

[Boom Switch]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

FBG doesn't ban for dumb. They'd lose half their posters, minimum.

You'd certainly be gone....

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that? I haven't used any words there that haven't already been used in this thread a million times..Should you do a search on Mad Sweeney's posts from earlier in the thread?

I haven't even approached bannable in this thread.

I just used the word you accused Zimmerman of using, So if pantherfan was right, and I was to be banned for it, you'd be banned as well..

 

[pantherclub]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that? I haven't used any words there that haven't already been used in this thread a million times..Should you do a search on Mad Sweeney's posts from earlier in the thread?

I haven't even approached bannable in this thread.

I just used the word you accused Zimmerman of using, So if pantherfan was right, and I was to be banned for it, you'd be banned as well..

Sam Sheepdog clocking in for work

 

[mad sweeney]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that? I haven't used any words there that haven't already been used in this thread a million times..Should you do a search on Mad Sweeney's posts from earlier in the thread?

I haven't even approached bannable in this thread.

I just used the word you accused Zimmerman of using, So if pantherfan was right, and I was to be banned for it, you'd be banned as well..

Nah, not even the same useage category. But I'm sure you'll find something snappy to say to try and make a point

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am betting you get banned for that /\

And why is that? I haven't used any words there that haven't already been used in this thread a million times..Should you do a search on Mad Sweeney's posts from earlier in the thread?

I haven't even approached bannable in this thread.

I just used the word you accused Zimmerman of using, So if pantherfan was right, and I was to be banned for it, you'd be banned as well..

Nah, not even the same useage category. But I'm sure you'll find something snappy to say to try and make a point

You said Zimmerman used the word coon.. I referenced you saying zimmerman used the word coon.. Not sure where the reference is off...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

SANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman’s legal defense team said Tuesday it would hold off for “a couple of weeks” filing a motion for a second bond motion for its defendant in the Trayvon Martin shooting case.

The delay announcement comes a day after defense attorney Mark O’Mara acknowledged on his case’s website that Zimmerman misled a Sanford, Fla., court about his finances but vowed he would seek a new bond hearing based on his client being “forthright and cooperative” in all other aspects.

No reason was immediately given for the delay, but O’Mara said he would file a motion “well in advance of the hearing.”

Zimmerman's next bail hearing has not been set yet, but his legal defense team said it was not expected for a couple of weeks.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

defense attorney Mark O’Mara acknowledged on his case’s website that Zimmerman misled a Sanford, Fla., court

 

[Addai's Adidas]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

I actually got caught for most of those things, and didn't caught for the organized fighting.

 

[pantherclub]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

I actually got caught for most of those things, and didn't caught for the organized fighting.

Neither did Trayvon.Its a bit hypocritical of CH to knock on Martin for fighting when he in fact does the same thing with his supposed MMA training.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

I actually got caught for most of those things, and didn't caught for the organized fighting.

Neither was treyvon martin. This is total propaganda by certain people with an agenda to slander