For those that voted for Obama - how do you feel (2 Viewers)

[tommyGunZ]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

 

[Finless]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

How so? I have some respect for your work here, you're a little too far left for me. You don't lack smarts. Where's the dynamite? Anyone who was flying the Believe or Change flag should be forced to admit they were wrong. Its either that, intelligently defend yourself with conviction or trudge on posting the same bull#### defense and go forward with absolutely zero credibility.

Where is Tim? don't see him in here toeing the flag. Probably at an antiwar protest at some Whole Foods parking lot. I like Tim. Well spoken and articulate, intelligent, knows how to defend his beliefs - all that said, he will get crushed too.

I am open-minded but this is honestly one of the most indefensible administrations we've ever seen as a country. Worse than Bush. At least with Bush and Cheney there was no question about what we were getting. Obama and Biden is like picking up a good looking girl at the park and finding a penis in her panties.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Voted for him and no regrets. Wish we had a Congress that would work for their checks, but hey when dealing with the TeaParty/Republicans where they would rather the country suffer than actually trying to reach a common ground with the President.

But I am sure you dont hear about how bad this Congress is on Fox News do you Fin??

What about the job that the Dem controlled Senate has done?

Hard to get anything push through when you have a party that ran on refusing to work with the President. But yes it does take both.

It's a good thing he had both for his first 2 years then, right?

72 days does not equal two years.

HTH

 

[ffldrew]

More greatness from the Obama Administration

Federal government won't block Colorado marijauna legalization

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

More greatness from the Obama Administration

Federal government won't block Colorado marijauna legalization

He's been a failure on this issue, but if he turns things around on this I'm ready to elect him for a third term.

 

[Oink Oink the Pig]

i would still eat his farts.

 

[ffldrew]

More greatness from the Obama Administration

Federal government won't block Colorado marijauna legalization

He's been a failure on this issue, but if he turns things around on this I'm ready to elect him for a third term.

I don't know - could it have been a higher priority - sure. But in order to get here you have to get a lot of ducks in a row.

He's opening up a lot of issues - especially for those currently incarcerated and he'll have to walk back a lot of items. I just don't think it was as easy as we think - so it will be hard for me to say failure.

And our State and WA - have obviously pushed him down the path - and sometimes it does take that. Me belief is that they want to clear the path - but it ended up being a lot of work.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

No argument of the Wall St stuff, he handled that like a Republican would have.

NAFTA was a great success until we started operating in a trade deficit. A lot of that has to do with industry moving to Mexico but that was inevitable, and we'd rather benefit Mexico than we would overseas industrial complexes IMO. It is the largest trade pact in the world, was a bi-partisan effort, and since its inception all countries involved have received a real economic benefit. Probably not as great as expected and Canada in particular probably has taken some lumps, but overall NAFTA has worked.

Clinton and Reagan got a lot down because of one reason: they could work across the isle and compromise. Imagine that?????????

 

[tommyGunZ]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

How so? I have some respect for your work here, you're a little too far left for me. You don't lack smarts. Where's the dynamite? Anyone who was flying the Believe or Change flag should be forced to admit they were wrong. Its either that, intelligently defend yourself with conviction or trudge on posting the same bull#### defense and go forward with absolutely zero credibility.

Where is Tim? don't see him in here toeing the flag. Probably at an antiwar protest at some Whole Foods parking lot. I like Tim. Well spoken and articulate, intelligent, knows how to defend his beliefs - all that said, he will get crushed too.

I am open-minded but this is honestly one of the most indefensible administrations we've ever seen as a country. Worse than Bush. At least with Bush and Cheney there was no question about what we were getting. Obama and Biden is like picking up a good looking girl at the park and finding a penis in her panties.

You can debate the merits of the stimulus, but the idea that a one-time, $780B speading measure, of which ~ 35% were tax cuts, is going to "inevitably crush us" is silly talk.

As is the notion that Obama lobbing a few missiles into Syria means he's Bush 2.0.

 

[Disc Shark]

Voted for O twice and would vote for him again, especially considering the pitiful alternatives offered by the (dis)loyal opposition.

 

[Koya]

Am I happy with Obama? Not particularly. As a big believer in freedom and civil rights, the damage he has done and is doing re: Privacy, overeach of gov't and unsanctioned/unchecked actions here and abroad are appauling.

That said, given the same players I'd do exactly what I did this year. Vote Gary Johnson, and if I were in a huge battleground state, I'd begrudgingly go Obama.

 

[NCCommish]

I feel like the reptile we have is less reptilian than the other choice we were given.

 

[roadkill1292]

Whoever is driving the Fin alias should have him pretend to go back to rendering himself catatonic with hard drugs. This is weak shtick.

 

[Finless]

Not shtick...have its on my twitters and Facebook as well as my face and my real name.

 

[Two Deep]

As suspected not a lot of backed up Obama support here. I say the same things to my Obama supporting friends which I have been distancing myself from for years. Most seem to have brain damage. I post on Facebook and the twitters from time to time. Results are in folks.

You were wrong.

I think your mother was wrong however many years ago you were conceived.

Typical ignorant post. Where are your convictions? Chicken wing recipes and Miller 64? ####in rube...

he's more of a hayseed than a rube

Wow internet tough guys.

 

[humpback]

I'm disappointed in Obama but I think it is the republicans that keep getting duped by their own party. Had McClain not selected Palin in 2008 they probably would have defeated Obama in his first election and had they put up a decent candidate in 2012 they would have trounced Obama in his second.

As long as the republicans harp on issues like guns, abortion and the "sanctity of marriage" and keep trodding out loser candidates they have no one to blame but themselves.

So there, it is YOUR fault we got stuck with Obama for a second term. Thanks a lot...

I think there was roughly a zero percent chance McCain was going to win the second the bottom fell out of the economy. Palin and his transparent ploy of suspending his campaign because of the crisis might have made it marginally worse, but he was losing either way.

Republicans probably should have won in 2012 though, given the economic conditions.

Yeah, anyone who thinks McCain would have won if he picked someone besides Palin is delusional. Saying they "should have" won in 2012 is a bit of a stretch as well, just based on the numbers. Besides, the "weak" economy continues to be spun as a positive by the likes of Gunz because of all of the damage caused by Bush, etc.

 

[ericttspikes]

fine

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

How so? I have some respect for your work here, you're a little too far left for me. You don't lack smarts. Where's the dynamite? Anyone who was flying the Believe or Change flag should be forced to admit they were wrong. Its either that, intelligently defend yourself with conviction or trudge on posting the same bull#### defense and go forward with absolutely zero credibility.

Where is Tim? don't see him in here toeing the flag. Probably at an antiwar protest at some Whole Foods parking lot. I like Tim. Well spoken and articulate, intelligent, knows how to defend his beliefs - all that said, he will get crushed too.

I am open-minded but this is honestly one of the most indefensible administrations we've ever seen as a country. Worse than Bush. At least with Bush and Cheney there was no question about what we were getting. Obama and Biden is like picking up a good looking girl at the park and finding a penis in her panties.

You can debate the merits of the stimulus, but the idea that a one-time, $780B speading measure, of which ~ 35% were tax cuts, is going to "inevitably crush us" is silly talk.

As is the notion that Obama lobbing a few missiles into Syria means he's Bush 2.0.

Yeah, the actually stimulus spending is close to meaningless in terms of long term fiscal impact. It boosted short term output and will have some marginal affect on long-term, but probably washes out compared to other current factors. I thought he was talking more about the moral hazard issues with TARP given the context of the rest of the post.

 

[Finless]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

How so? I have some respect for your work here, you're a little too far left for me. You don't lack smarts. Where's the dynamite? Anyone who was flying the Believe or Change flag should be forced to admit they were wrong. Its either that, intelligently defend yourself with conviction or trudge on posting the same bull#### defense and go forward with absolutely zero credibility.Where is Tim? don't see him in here toeing the flag. Probably at an antiwar protest at some Whole Foods parking lot. I like Tim. Well spoken and articulate, intelligent, knows how to defend his beliefs - all that said, he will get crushed too.

I am open-minded but this is honestly one of the most indefensible administrations we've ever seen as a country. Worse than Bush. At least with Bush and Cheney there was no question about what we were getting. Obama and Biden is like picking up a good looking girl at the park and finding a penis in her panties.

You can debate the merits of the stimulus, but the idea that a one-time, $780B speading measure, of which ~ 35% were tax cuts, is going to "inevitably crush us" is silly talk.

As is the notion that Obama lobbing a few missiles into Syria means he's Bush 2.0.

What silly is looking at the stimulus and bailout as anything other than at a minimum a cash grab. Moreso it was a way to solidy the world bankers stranglehold on our economy and a surefire way to eventually crash the dollar.

Steal a tv from Walmart and do a year. Steal billions from the people trading in derivitives and other fairy tale bull#### vehicles and get paid off. Some of you are beyond blind...walking dead. The sheep are leading the lambs to the slaughter then hopping right on the chopping block.

 

[HellToupee]

Whoever is driving the Fin alias should have him pretend to go back to rendering himself catatonic with hard drugs. This is weak shtick.

gonorrhea addled Fin was the best

 

[mad sweeney]

I'd vote the same way I did both times given the choices, but I've said since fairly early in term one that I wasn't thrilled with his leadership. That has more to do with domestic than foreign policy though. He ran in his first term on ramping up Afghanistan so I don't see how anyone can feel duped by that. He wrapped up Iraq and I'd say he's been fairly steady on Egypt and Syria. Until we rush headlong into a ground war without the consensus backing of the UN, I don't see the comparison with Bush.

Were you a fan of Bush foreign policy? Because the Obama foreign policy has largely been the same. We left Iraq on the Bush timetable. He increased drone strikes and uses of those strikes well beyond Bush. Nothing has really changed with Gitmo or Afghanistan. Really- what substantial differences are there from Bush foreign policy? And I say that largely as a compliment to Obama- though I have gripes with Obama on foreign policy they are about the same as I did with Bush. He has not been as nearly as a trainwreck as I feared he would be though I think weak leadership/decision making has made both Libya and Syria worst than they needed to be but that is largely about degrees on two tough things to deal with.

We got into Iraq on the Bush timetable, so until Obama mires us in a decade long ground war it's not even close. You don't get to take credit for leaving Iraq on his timetable when the colossal cluster#### was a direct result of inept leadership, both in starting it and poorly managing it during. Obama has been a disappointment in a lot of areas, particularly in the continuation of Bush policies. He's still light years better than any clowns the Rs have floating around.

 

[NCCommish]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

How so? I have some respect for your work here, you're a little too far left for me. You don't lack smarts. Where's the dynamite? Anyone who was flying the Believe or Change flag should be forced to admit they were wrong. Its either that, intelligently defend yourself with conviction or trudge on posting the same bull#### defense and go forward with absolutely zero credibility.Where is Tim? don't see him in here toeing the flag. Probably at an antiwar protest at some Whole Foods parking lot. I like Tim. Well spoken and articulate, intelligent, knows how to defend his beliefs - all that said, he will get crushed too.

I am open-minded but this is honestly one of the most indefensible administrations we've ever seen as a country. Worse than Bush. At least with Bush and Cheney there was no question about what we were getting. Obama and Biden is like picking up a good looking girl at the park and finding a penis in her panties.

You can debate the merits of the stimulus, but the idea that a one-time, $780B speading measure, of which ~ 35% were tax cuts, is going to "inevitably crush us" is silly talk.

As is the notion that Obama lobbing a few missiles into Syria means he's Bush 2.0.

What silly is looking at the stimulus and bailout as anything other than at a minimum a cash grab. Moreso it was a way to solidy the world bankers stranglehold on our economy and a surefire way to eventually crash the dollar.

Steal a tv from Walmart and do a year. Steal billions from the people trading in derivitives and other fairy tale bull#### vehicles and get paid off. Some of you are beyond blind...walking dead. The sheep are leading the lambs to the slaughter then hopping right on the chopping block.

The stimulus was too small because of Larry" I am always wrong" Summers. But it was not and is not going to crush anything.

 

[roadkill1292]

Whoever is driving the Fin alias should have him pretend to go back to rendering himself catatonic with hard drugs. This is weak shtick.

gonorrhea addled Fin was the best

 

[Finless]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

When guys like Soros, Buffett and Paulson completely reduce their exposure to American blue chip and consumer oriented stocks, there's a ####### problem. These guys don't know the market, they are the market. Get your heads out of your ###. They aren't making a political statement here. Well that's not the intention. The writing is on the wall. Paulson predicted the housing market collapse well before it happened. These guys move billions quietly if that's possible and you people talk about an upswing in the markets. Are you really this foolish?

 

[tommyboy]

Obama has been an abject failure. My only hope now is he doesnt #### up even worse the remaining time he has in office

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think you're fighting a losing battle here, Fin. Most people nowadays stick with their team regardless of their actions. I don't see a thread on the Internet changing that.

 

[Politician Spock]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

By itself, yes it will.But when it's offset by a similar sized deflationary force, hyperinflation isn't possible.

That deflationary force today is the baby boom generation. To understand this deflationary force you must understand the two mechanisms for how a US dollar comes into existence, which leads to the understanding of when a US dollar ceases to exist. Once those are understood it's easy to see that the massive creation of dollars by the Fed is being offset by a massive disappearance of dollars by the baby boom generation.

That's not to say what the Fed is doing is okay and fine. it's not. The odds that it can continue doing this until the demographics of the country levels out again are slim. But it does explain why hyperinflation is not the biggest risk of what is going on,

 

[NCCommish]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

When guys like Soros, Buffett and Paulson completely reduce their exposure to American blue chip and consumer oriented stocks, there's a ####### problem. These guys don't know the market, they are the market. Get your heads out of your ###. They aren't making a political statement here. Well that's not the intention. The writing is on the wall. Paulson predicted the housing market collapse well before it happened. These guys move billions quietly if that's possible and you people talk about an upswing in the markets. Are you really this foolish?

Where is the hyper-inflation chicken little? Where are the skyrocketing rates? I'll give you a hint there isn't any and there won't be. And those guys haven't reduced anything of the sort. Buffet has been on a buying spree for a while now for instance.That is the worst kind of conspiracy bull####.

 

[NCCommish]

Oh and that isn't about sticking with ones team that is just the reality. I have said many times I am not at all happy with Obama and I have been very vocal about what I see as his many shortcomings. I plan to continue to be.

 

[Chadstroma]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

 

[NCCommish]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

He let them put the Wasilla Grifter on his ticket. That shows his lack of judgement right there and who was running things. We would be in a very serious continuing recession just like Europe's if those two were running things, you betcha.

 

[Chadstroma]

I'd vote the same way I did both times given the choices, but I've said since fairly early in term one that I wasn't thrilled with his leadership. That has more to do with domestic than foreign policy though. He ran in his first term on ramping up Afghanistan so I don't see how anyone can feel duped by that. He wrapped up Iraq and I'd say he's been fairly steady on Egypt and Syria. Until we rush headlong into a ground war without the consensus backing of the UN, I don't see the comparison with Bush.

Were you a fan of Bush foreign policy? Because the Obama foreign policy has largely been the same. We left Iraq on the Bush timetable. He increased drone strikes and uses of those strikes well beyond Bush. Nothing has really changed with Gitmo or Afghanistan. Really- what substantial differences are there from Bush foreign policy? And I say that largely as a compliment to Obama- though I have gripes with Obama on foreign policy they are about the same as I did with Bush. He has not been as nearly as a trainwreck as I feared he would be though I think weak leadership/decision making has made both Libya and Syria worst than they needed to be but that is largely about degrees on two tough things to deal with.

We got into Iraq on the Bush timetable, so until Obama mires us in a decade long ground war it's not even close. You don't get to take credit for leaving Iraq on his timetable when the colossal cluster#### was a direct result of inept leadership, both in starting it and poorly managing it during.Obama has been a disappointment in a lot of areas, particularly in the continuation of Bush policies. He's still light years better than any clowns the Rs have floating around.

Yes, yes, yes- I know. He decided to go into Iraq and boo that. Got it.

However, I love how people who are looking for reasons to give points to Obama in foreign policy actually are giving him points for carrying on Bush policy/agenda or fulfilling a Bush plan and in some cases just doing more of the same thing. Yet, these are often the same people who use to froth at the mouth and protest in the streets while screaming how Bush was a war criminal and now are the supporters of Obama. Just funny how partisanship does things like that to people.

 

[badmojo1006]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

No he was not by the media and populace. A lot of the conservatives did not trust him. He was beloved by the media in 2000 when he was the Maverick, but he was twisting and turning so much to avoid being associated with Bush, the media got tired of his act.

 

[Chadstroma]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

He let them put the Wasilla Grifter on his ticket. That shows his lack of judgement right there and who was running things. We would be in a very serious continuing recession just like Europe's if those two were running things, you betcha.

I disagree actually. I think the lack or an actual recovery is largely due to massive laws that injected a tremendous amount of uncertainty and fear into the economy (Dodd-Frank and Obamacare being the two biggest and most influential examples). Dodd-Frank would look a lot different and there would be no Obamacare- thus an actual recovery sooner and with more umph than what we have suffered through.

Of course, this is debatable and a different topic than this thread.

 

[NCCommish]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

He let them put the Wasilla Grifter on his ticket. That shows his lack of judgement right there and who was running things. We would be in a very serious continuing recession just like Europe's if those two were running things, you betcha.

I disagree actually. I think the lack or an actual recovery is largely due to massive laws that injected a tremendous amount of uncertainty and fear into the economy (Dodd-Frank and Obamacare being the two biggest and most influential examples). Dodd-Frank would look a lot different and there would be no Obamacare- thus an actual recovery sooner and with more umph than what we have suffered through.

Of course, this is debatable and a different topic than this thread.

I'll just let it go at that.

 

[Chadstroma]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

He let them put the Wasilla Grifter on his ticket. That shows his lack of judgement right there and who was running things. We would be in a very serious continuing recession just like Europe's if those two were running things, you betcha.

I disagree actually. I think the lack or an actual recovery is largely due to massive laws that injected a tremendous amount of uncertainty and fear into the economy (Dodd-Frank and Obamacare being the two biggest and most influential examples). Dodd-Frank would look a lot different and there would be no Obamacare- thus an actual recovery sooner and with more umph than what we have suffered through.

Of course, this is debatable and a different topic than this thread.

I'll just let it go at that.

Really? You debate the level of uncertainty about these two bills? That is what you choose to roll your eyes on? They are still hashing out parts of Dodd-Frank (being in the banking industry, I read about it almost every day when I go into the American Banker feed) and of course there is still massive parts of Obamacare that has not been implemented. You can debate whether or not or to what degree this impacts the economy but you really have a weak position to try to say that these bills did not inject uncertainty into the economy.

 

[Fennis]

Hold a election tomorrow and McCain would lose by a bigger margin than the first time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

 

[TobiasFunke]

When did "uncertainty" replace "the homosexual agenda" as the new liberal boogeyman?

Back in the day, businesses knew exactly what was coming next. Wars? Bursting market bubbles? Environmental disasters? Elections? They saw it coming a decade away. But now there's all this uncertainty. Thanks a lot, Obama!

 

[TheIronSheik]

Hold a election tomorrow and McCain would lose by a bigger margin than the first time.

If anything, I think that just proves that a lot of people vote party, no matter what.

 

[mad sweeney]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

No, it was when he tried to distance himself from his 'maverick' reputation and started toeing the Party Line that he turned into a creature. He turned his back on what made him a good candidate so he could appeal to the conservative base. Tabs that's before he picked an idiot lunatic for a running mate.

 

[Joe T]

Some heavy duty braided 40 lb test lines being used in here.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

 

[humpback]

When did "uncertainty" replace "the homosexual agenda" as the new liberal boogeyman?

Back in the day, businesses knew exactly what was coming next. Wars? Bursting market bubbles? Environmental disasters? Elections? They saw it coming a decade away. But now there's all this uncertainty. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Obviously there is always a level of uncertainty. However, if you don't think that there's been more uncertainty over the last several years than normal, you must not be paying attention (regardless of who you want to blame for that).

 

[NCCommish]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

He let them put the Wasilla Grifter on his ticket. That shows his lack of judgement right there and who was running things. We would be in a very serious continuing recession just like Europe's if those two were running things, you betcha.

I disagree actually. I think the lack or an actual recovery is largely due to massive laws that injected a tremendous amount of uncertainty and fear into the economy (Dodd-Frank and Obamacare being the two biggest and most influential examples). Dodd-Frank would look a lot different and there would be no Obamacare- thus an actual recovery sooner and with more umph than what we have suffered through.

Of course, this is debatable and a different topic than this thread.

I'll just let it go at that.

Really? You debate the level of uncertainty about these two bills? That is what you choose to roll your eyes on? They are still hashing out parts of Dodd-Frank (being in the banking industry, I read about it almost every day when I go into the American Banker feed) and of course there is still massive parts of Obamacare that has not been implemented. You can debate whether or not or to what degree this impacts the economy but you really have a weak position to try to say that these bills did not inject uncertainty into the economy.

I run a company every day. The only uncertainty we worry about is demand. And many people with bigger companies than mine have been quoted in the media saying the same. The Uncertainty bull#### is just that.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

Let me rephrase it, then.

Anyone who thinks Reagan was a better President than Obama should not be allowed to have opinions on the President.

 

[humpback]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

He let them put the Wasilla Grifter on his ticket. That shows his lack of judgement right there and who was running things. We would be in a very serious continuing recession just like Europe's if those two were running things, you betcha.

I disagree actually. I think the lack or an actual recovery is largely due to massive laws that injected a tremendous amount of uncertainty and fear into the economy (Dodd-Frank and Obamacare being the two biggest and most influential examples). Dodd-Frank would look a lot different and there would be no Obamacare- thus an actual recovery sooner and with more umph than what we have suffered through.

Of course, this is debatable and a different topic than this thread.

I'll just let it go at that.

Really? You debate the level of uncertainty about these two bills? That is what you choose to roll your eyes on? They are still hashing out parts of Dodd-Frank (being in the banking industry, I read about it almost every day when I go into the American Banker feed) and of course there is still massive parts of Obamacare that has not been implemented. You can debate whether or not or to what degree this impacts the economy but you really have a weak position to try to say that these bills did not inject uncertainty into the economy.

I run a company every day. The only uncertainty we worry about is demand. And many people with bigger companies than mine have been quoted in the media saying the same. The Uncertainty bull#### is just that.

Yeah, because uncertainty has no impact on demand now does it? Good thing no one with a bigger company than yours has been quoted in the media saying the opposite either!

 

[Finless]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

When guys like Soros, Buffett and Paulson completely reduce their exposure to American blue chip and consumer oriented stocks, there's a ####### problem. These guys don't know the market, they are the market. Get your heads out of your ###. They aren't making a political statement here. Well that's not the intention. The writing is on the wall. Paulson predicted the housing market collapse well before it happened. These guys move billions quietly if that's possible and you people talk about an upswing in the markets. Are you really this foolish?

Where is the hyper-inflation chicken little? Where are the skyrocketing rates? I'll give you a hint there isn't any and there won't be. And those guys haven't reduced anything of the sort. Buffet has been on a buying spree for a while now for instance.That is the worst kind of conspiracy bull####.

It happened. its not "conspiracy" BS. IT ####### HAPPENED...look it up. Interest rates and APRs aren't going up? You must be drunk.

 

[McGarnicle]

I have a brother in law who will corner you at a party and start talking about politics. Gun control, taxes, the evil bankers, Obama should be impeached and imprisoned, and on and on and on. As he goes through his spiel he gets all worked up, nostrils flaring, talking about how we're all getting screwed. The guy lives in a beautiful house with his wife of 30 years, two incredible girls in college, good career, great neighbors, a lawn that I envy. I don't understand going through life with the weight of the world on your shoulders, getting all worked up about stuff you can't control. The worst of these whackjobs talk about the SHTF scenario, currency collapse, roving gangs plundering for what little food is left. Okay then...on the off chance that happens, I'm enjoying every day like it's my last until then. Being afraid is giving in to the evil forces in the universe IMO.