For those that voted for Obama - how do you feel (2 Viewers)

[SofaKings]

If it wasn't for the stimulus and Obamacare, I probably wouldn't have that much to complain about with Obama. He basically hasn't done much and that's exactly what I thought we needed coming out of the financial collapse. I did think we needed someone like Romney in 2012 to start moving forward and get the economy going but it's on Obama now. If this slow recovery continues, he should get the credit he deserves. If we fall back into another recession, he should get the criticism he'll likely get for his lack of action.

The stimulus was the coup de grat. That is what inevitably will crush us. Iceland was in a similar predicament. They didn't bail out their bankers. They put them behind bars. Turned out well for them. Everything I am saying is less opinion and mostly fact. And myself and a handful of others have been saying it since the serpent first crawled out of that hole in the ground in Illinois. Seemingly most improbable victory ever but the stage has been being put together for nearly 30 years. At this point its David and Goliath and Goliath has put on a lot of weight.

Fishing with dynamite these days, eh Fin?

How so? I have some respect for your work here, you're a little too far left for me. You don't lack smarts. Where's the dynamite? Anyone who was flying the Believe or Change flag should be forced to admit they were wrong. Its either that, intelligently defend yourself with conviction or trudge on posting the same bull#### defense and go forward with absolutely zero credibility.

Where is Tim? don't see him in here toeing the flag. Probably at an antiwar protest at some Whole Foods parking lot. I like Tim. Well spoken and articulate, intelligent, knows how to defend his beliefs - all that said, he will get crushed too.

I am open-minded but this is honestly one of the most indefensible administrations we've ever seen as a country. Worse than Bush. At least with Bush and Cheney there was no question about what we were getting. Obama and Biden is like picking up a good looking girl at the park and finding a penis in her panties.

Tim is jewish AND black?

 

[Mister Martie]

When did "uncertainty" replace "the homosexual agenda" as the new liberal boogeyman?

Back in the day, businesses knew exactly what was coming next. Wars? Bursting market bubbles? Environmental disasters? Elections? They saw it coming a decade away. But now there's all this uncertainty. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Obviously there is always a level of uncertainty. However, if you don't think that there's been more uncertainty over the last several years than normal, you must not be paying attention (regardless of who you want to blame for that).

I think it's myopic to look at the uncertainty we faced in the wake of 2008 and point to Dodd-Frank and the ACA as the cause or even a significant contributor (not that you were doing that, but I have seen people do it).

 

[ffldrew]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

When guys like Soros, Buffett and Paulson completely reduce their exposure to American blue chip and consumer oriented stocks, there's a ####### problem. These guys don't know the market, they are the market. Get your heads out of your ###. They aren't making a political statement here. Well that's not the intention. The writing is on the wall. Paulson predicted the housing market collapse well before it happened. These guys move billions quietly if that's possible and you people talk about an upswing in the markets. Are you really this foolish?

Where is the hyper-inflation chicken little? Where are the skyrocketing rates? I'll give you a hint there isn't any and there won't be. And those guys haven't reduced anything of the sort. Buffet has been on a buying spree for a while now for instance.That is the worst kind of conspiracy bull####.

It happened. its not "conspiracy" BS. IT ####### HAPPENED...look it up. Interest rates and APRs aren't going up? You must be drunk.

You might want to read up on how the bond market works - especially when equities are rebounding

Housing market is starting to move - a little more demand in the economy and it's time to tap the brakes. We don't need 0% interest anymore. Interest rates are still near record lows. And I don't recall a bout of Hyper inflation - might want to ask all your Rush and Glen Beck buddies how they've been doing in those highly touted gold funds.

Only area of hyper inflation is in the price of bullets

 

[HellToupee]

I have a brother in law who will corner you at a party and start talking about politics. Gun control, taxes, the evil bankers, Obama should be impeached and imprisoned, and on and on and on. As he goes through his spiel he gets all worked up, nostrils flaring, talking about how we're all getting screwed. The guy lives in a beautiful house with his wife of 30 years, two incredible girls in college, good career, great neighbors, a lawn that I envy. I don't understand going through life with the weight of the world on your shoulders, getting all worked up about stuff you can't control. The worst of these whackjobs talk about the SHTF scenario, currency collapse, roving gangs plundering for what little food is left. Okay then...on the off chance that happens, I'm enjoying every day like it's my last until then. Being afraid is giving in to the evil forces in the universe IMO.

Let me tell you about my moonbat SIL.....anyone without a D is evil. There is a flipside to every group , a ying to the yang

 

[jamny]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

Let me rephrase it, then.

Anyone who thinks Reagan was a better President than Obama should not be allowed to have opinions on the President.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

Let me rephrase it, then.

Anyone who thinks Reagan was a better President than Obama should not be allowed to have opinions on the President.

 

[jwp]

I do think McCain/Palin would've been even more of a disaster.

Why? McCain is still alive and kicking. Until he went against the Messiah in the general election he was loved by the media and populace. It was not until "hope and change" that he was turned into some vile creature.

No he was not by the media and populace. A lot of the conservatives did not trust him. He was beloved by the media in 2000 when he was the Maverick, but he was twisting and turning so much to avoid being associated with Bush, the media got tired of his act.

I still remember Obama's campaign commercial where they had McCain gleefully stating how he voted with Bush 90% of the time or something to that effect. That was a great ad.

 

[ncc2]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

When guys like Soros, Buffett and Paulson completely reduce their exposure to American blue chip and consumer oriented stocks, there's a ####### problem. These guys don't know the market, they are the market. Get your heads out of your ###. They aren't making a political statement here. Well that's not the intention. The writing is on the wall. Paulson predicted the housing market collapse well before it happened. These guys move billions quietly if that's possible and you people talk about an upswing in the markets. Are you really this foolish?

Where is the hyper-inflation chicken little? Where are the skyrocketing rates? I'll give you a hint there isn't any and there won't be. And those guys haven't reduced anything of the sort. Buffet has been on a buying spree for a while now for instance.That is the worst kind of conspiracy bull####.

It happened. its not "conspiracy" BS. IT ####### HAPPENED...look it up. Interest rates and APRs aren't going up? You must be drunk.

You might want to read up on how the bond market works - especially when equities are rebounding

Housing market is starting to move - a little more demand in the economy and it's time to tap the brakes. We don't need 0% interest anymore. Interest rates are still near record lows. And I don't recall a bout of Hyper inflation - might want to ask all your Rush and Glen Beck buddies how they've been doing in those highly touted gold funds.

Only area of hyper inflation is in the price of bullets

Exactly.

 

[ncc2]

I have a brother in law who will corner you at a party and start talking about politics. Gun control, taxes, the evil bankers, Obama should be impeached and imprisoned, and on and on and on. As he goes through his spiel he gets all worked up, nostrils flaring, talking about how we're all getting screwed. The guy lives in a beautiful house with his wife of 30 years, two incredible girls in college, good career, great neighbors, a lawn that I envy. I don't understand going through life with the weight of the world on your shoulders, getting all worked up about stuff you can't control. The worst of these whackjobs talk about the SHTF scenario, currency collapse, roving gangs plundering for what little food is left. Okay then...on the off chance that happens, I'm enjoying every day like it's my last until then. Being afraid is giving in to the evil forces in the universe IMO.

Let me tell you about my moonbat SIL.....anyone without a D is evil. There is a flipside to every group , a ying to the yang

This is true

 

[dickey moe]

Best thread in here in years.

 

[dickey moe]

Some heavy duty braided 40 lb test lines being used in here.

Just about all of the reliably lefty big fish have been caught. Only the likes of Poppa and panty lurk below.

 

[Finless]

I know how things work. I'm not smart because I know how to read. I'm smart because I know how to read between the bull#### and interpret what is really happening. I NEVER once said buy Gold. I think the GOP, Rush and Hannity are all jokers...idiots on the level of Obama. Liberalism as well as conservatism have really lost their meaning over the last 10-15 years. I'm not some righty extremist and I'm not some flaming lefty Marxist, fascist. I'm more of a laissez-faire capitalist briskly steeped in social darwinism. My political beliefs are varied and even polarizing. It's not easy to wear so many hats but the world I live in dictates this. I believe in the best candidate. Voting party is just ignorant.

If you think Obama isn't a serpent digging a gaping hole for everyone you're either to nice to notice, just very hopeful which I can almost appreciate simply because anyone who is passionate I can get behind or you just don't get it.

Toss your posts around while you skim through mine then give answers that don't address the real questions. Same thing Obama does. He's trained you well.

Debate me sometime with a legitimate judge or judges and get squashed. It's that simple. I'm the first person to admit when I'm wrong and apologize if need be. As I stated before there is much freedom in admitting I am wrong. But I'm not here. Obama is a slithery serpent who duped all his people, no different than Lucifer.

 

[greenroom]

So printing a trillion dollars in cash won't lead to hyperinflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

When guys like Soros, Buffett and Paulson completely reduce their exposure to American blue chip and consumer oriented stocks, there's a ####### problem. These guys don't know the market, they are the market. Get your heads out of your ###. They aren't making a political statement here. Well that's not the intention. The writing is on the wall. Paulson predicted the housing market collapse well before it happened. These guys move billions quietly if that's possible and you people talk about an upswing in the markets. Are you really this foolish?

Where is the hyper-inflation chicken little? Where are the skyrocketing rates? I'll give you a hint there isn't any and there won't be. And those guys haven't reduced anything of the sort. Buffet has been on a buying spree for a while now for instance.That is the worst kind of conspiracy bull####.

It happened. its not "conspiracy" BS. IT ####### HAPPENED...look it up. Interest rates and APRs aren't going up? You must be drunk.

They have to go up Interest rates and APR's have been held down way to long. Its great if you want to get a mortgage, but try saving money in a safe account. enjoy that .3 percent..

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

bin ladens dead and pot is about to be legal. GO OBAMA

 

[dozer]

Junkie logic is steeped in irrelevancy.

 

[datonn]

Voted Obama in 2008, and Obama in 2012. Haven't questioned or regretted said votes for a nanosecond. I've been disappointed with some of his foreign policy the past ~5 years. But I have little doubt that if McCain/Palin had won in 2008, things would be a LOT worse. A L-O-T worse. We'll never know, of course. But for all the heat Obama gets from the Right, don't so-easily forget how we found ourselves in this FUBAR to begin with.

And Finless, sounds like you're in the midst of a bender in front of your keyboard. Fallen off the wagon after getting out of rehab? Not my place to pry...but what you're posting isn't even fishing/schtick tonight. Sounds like you need to put down the bottle/pipe, push away from the keyboard, and sleep it off.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Hold a election tomorrow and McCain would lose by a bigger margin than the first time.

If anything, I think that just proves that a lot of people vote party, no matter what.

I'd offer you a hot cup of ####, but you're probably too dumb to accept it.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I'd just like to thank all of the people who voted for Obama, because I won money off of tommyboy.

 

[adonis]

Pleased as punch.

 

[Zegras11]

welcome to the recovery

A few positive bumps here and there, but overall this puppy is heading down for the next 20 years... And that is regardless of who is president. The baby boom gave us great 80's and 90's, and now we deal with the opposite effect for a couple decades. That doesn't mean we're headed for a crash like the Peter Schiffs and Jim Rogers of the world say we are.

However, if Obama does something stupid like lead us into World War III, then yes, this puppy is heading for a crash.

If all you see since 2009 is "a few positive bumps here and there", I'd hate to see the pimples on your ###.

1) GDP is a result of the inflation rate... which I think is bogusly reported

2) I'm far more concerned with average household income, than GDP, stocks, home prices, etc, etc... which has dropped for four straight years. I see the rich getting rich, and the poor getting poorer. The rich s assets get more and more valuable, while the poor earn less and less.

But continue on with your smarmy "look at this number" shtick. I expect nothing less of an Obama evangelist.

 

[McGarnicle]

I am a bolt of pure energy. Try to debate me and feel the bitter sting of humiliation. To boast or brag is beneath me, but I am the most powerful entity in the universe. I am infallible and immortal, and you who doubt me are but mewling kittens. Instead of sweet milk you shall drink bitter defeat, and you will rue the folly of your ways.

 

[humpback]

Voted Obama in 2008, and Obama in 2012. Haven't questioned or regretted said votes for a nanosecond. I've been disappointed with some of his foreign policy the past ~5 years. But I have little doubt that if McCain/Palin had won in 2008, things would be a LOT worse. A L-O-T worse. We'll never know, of course. But for all the heat Obama gets from the Right, don't so-easily forget how we found ourselves in this FUBAR to begin with.

And Finless, sounds like you're in the midst of a bender in front of your keyboard. Fallen off the wagon after getting out of rehab? Not my place to pry...but what you're posting isn't even fishing/schtick tonight. Sounds like you need to put down the bottle/pipe, push away from the keyboard, and sleep it off.

You're crazier than he is, and that's without the bottle/pipe, so you've got that going for ya!

 

[Zegras11]

I consider him to be the best president of my lifetime. I'm a liberal born during the Nixon administration so my only realistic choices are Carter, Clinton and Obama.

I would take Clinton over Obama easily. Carter was obviously a complete failure and Obama is not that much better domestically.

Clinton spent eight years in office doing pretty much nothing. If you're a liberal, the ACA puts Obama a tier or two above Clinton all by itself.

Nothing but the longest economic expansion in U.S. history, peacetime operations, lowest unemployment in 25 years, Medicare and Family Act, NAFTA, Nuclear non-proliferation, deadbeat parent act, and three strikes laws among other things.

Your credibility is waning IK. In my lifetime there have been two effective and efficient presidents, Clinton and Reagan. The rest are historical fodder.

Bold had nothing to do with Clinton. It would have been the longest expansion if you, me or anyone was President. The expansion was due to three HUGE over lapping segments of the baby boom generation buying boat loads of good and services at their respective peak lifetime buying periods. They kept overlapping in various degrees from 1992 to 2008.

That all ended in 2008 when the amount of people spending at their peak levels declined at an amazing level., It was predicted in books I read published in 2000. They even hit the exact month. IMO demographics accounts for about 95% and political BS moves account for 5%.

The printing of money the last few years is doing one thing. It's preventing the very rich from getting severely hammered and just screwing the poor.

 

[Finless]

Sober as a judge. Not hard to figure out. When I use its a lot of work. Costs me about $100 a day. I don't have time to embarrass liberals in here.

On another not those "happy" with their vote should be lobotomized. You're a danger to your wife and kids and more importantly my country.

 

[tommyboy]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

Let me rephrase it, then.

Anyone who thinks Reagan was a better President than Obama should not be allowed to have opinions on the President.

a good example of the desire of some liberals to shut off debate. You could start a poll, I think you should actually.

 

[Finless]

bin ladens dead and pot is about to be legal. GO OBAMA

Tim Osman was dead a decade ago.

 

[tommyboy]

I'd just like to thank all of the people who voted for Obama, because I won money off of tommyboy.

and you got paid. I hear some people round this joint don't like to pay.

 

[Finless]

I FEEL AWFUL! WORST VOTES EVER OMG! I'D BE SO MUCH BETTER OF WITH MCCAIN/PALIN!!!! I AM SO DISTRAUGHT AND HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING!!! HEALTH CARE IS GOING TO BANKRUPT US AND THIS FOREIGN POLICY IS ATROCIOUS!!!!! OOOOOMYYYYYGOOODD!!!!

Is that what you wanted to hear?

Do you wear a helmet? serious question...

 

[Finless]

I'd just like to thank all of the people who voted for Obama, because I won money off of tommyboy.

and you got paid. I hear some people round this joint don't like to pay.

I asked Tim for link. Never sent it. Sorry I didn't ship $50 to a stranger on the internet because he said he thought we made a bet.

 

[cosjobs]

I tried to warn you all. Over and over I would post about this loser.

Just say "Finless, you and Clifton and Jambi and Jim11 tried to warn us and we didn't ever take you seriously. You were right but what's more important is just how WRONG most of us were."

I'll never forget that night he was voted in. The celebration in the streets. All those young "free thinkers" and liberals, college kids, liberals, older nerdy "we been waiting for this since Kennedy was shot" types all together rallying, partying, crying all in celebration of the serpent. I knew that was one of the worst days our country had ever seen.

May not seem like it now, but wait. And when I make claims about what's going to happen, my track record is pretty spot on. Most interesting time to be alive buy things are going to get very colorful. Start buying hard silver. Having a certificate stating you own gold will be as worthless as the paper its printed on. We're entering end times.

Who gave LHUCKS the Finless password?

 

[datonn]

Sober as a judge. Not hard to figure out. When I use its a lot of work. Costs me about $100 a day. I don't have time to embarrass liberals in here.

On another not those "happy" with their vote should be lobotomized. You're a danger to your wife and kids and more importantly my country.

Care to unpack that one little sentence? What's a lot of work? Typing? Insulting people? Projecting bravado to cover-up some type of emptiness or inadequacy issues you're feeling inside?

Am I happy with the current state of the country? No. Do I like everything Obama's done while in office? No. Do I blame Obama for a lot of the stuff that's happened (or hasn't happened) the past five years? No. I blame all the sheep/lemmings on BOTH sides of the aisle, all the millions of partisan hacks and/or the people who were lobotomized after Clinton couldn't remember what the definition of 'is' is. Dividing our nation in two. And would I change my votes for POTUS in 2008 or 2012? No.

Liberals *AND* Conservatives are destroying our nation. Only those folks on the poles can't see the planks in their own eyes...all they can see (and talk about) are the specks on the other side of the aisle. Moderates/Independents are the only people with a friggin' clue, and any hope of saving this country. Everything else is just But you can't see that either. Imagine my surprise.

 

[Reginald Cornsilks]

I FEEL AWFUL! WORST VOTES EVER OMG! I'D BE SO MUCH BETTER OF WITH MCCAIN/PALIN!!!! I AM SO DISTRAUGHT AND HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING!!! HEALTH CARE IS GOING TO BANKRUPT US AND THIS FOREIGN POLICY IS ATROCIOUS!!!!! OOOOOMYYYYYGOOODD!!!!

Is that what you wanted to hear?

Do you wear a helmet? serious question...

Fin on level 10... Same as it ever was. The haters on level 1-9.

 

[RBM]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

Let me rephrase it, then.Anyone who thinks Reagan was a better President than Obama should not be allowed to have opinions on the President.

 

[Chadstroma]

I consider him to be the best president of my lifetime. I'm a liberal born during the Nixon administration so my only realistic choices are Carter, Clinton and Obama.

I would take Clinton over Obama easily. Carter was obviously a complete failure and Obama is not that much better domestically.

Clinton spent eight years in office doing pretty much nothing. If you're a liberal, the ACA puts Obama a tier or two above Clinton all by itself.

Nothing but the longest economic expansion in U.S. history, peacetime operations, lowest unemployment in 25 years, Medicare and Family Act, NAFTA, Nuclear non-proliferation, deadbeat parent act, and three strikes laws among other things.

Your credibility is waning IK. In my lifetime there have been two effective and efficient presidents, Clinton and Reagan. The rest are historical fodder.

Bold had nothing to do with Clinton. It would have been the longest expansion if you, me or anyone was President. The expansion was due to three HUGE over lapping segments of the baby boom generation buying boat loads of good and services at their respective peak lifetime buying periods. They kept overlapping in various degrees from 1992 to 2008.

That all ended in 2008 when the amount of people spending at their peak levels declined at an amazing level., It was predicted in books I read published in 2000. They even hit the exact month. IMO demographics accounts for about 95% and political BS moves account for 5%.

The printing of money the last few years is doing one thing. It's preventing the very rich from getting severely hammered and just screwing the poor.

A President has much less power to improve the economy but they sure as hell can get in the way of it. Clinton got the hell out of the way and rode the timing of it. At the same time, the little bit of influence that a President can have he did well with (NAFTA, welfare reform, etc). I am not a huge Clinton fan but out of all the points you can give to a President for economy, I think Clinton earned a good chunk of them.

 

[Thunderlips]

Sure. I still feel good about Obama. There wasn't much of an alternative coming from the Right...and when in doubt, I'd rather the unambitioned "Obama Phoners" be given a reason to puff their chest out (and then go back to being unambitioned) than give the ambitious kooks on the Right a foothold. It's bad enough they won the redistricting rights in 2010.

Until the Far Right is neutored a bit in the R Primary, I have no choice but to continually vote for the Left of Center Democrat.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I am gonna assume anyone saying, "Obama is the best president of my lifetime" is 13 years or younger since there is no way Obama is as good as Clinton was (or Reagan in the 80s).

Anyway, I voted for Obama in '08 and I have major buyer's remorse. I didn't buy his whole "Yes we can" nonsense, as that was your usual political rhetoric, but I thought he'd at least do a pretty good job. He has not. No, he has not been as bad as W., but he has still done a pretty mediocre job. Sadly, I am not either guy he beat in the two elections would have been better, which speaks volume as to how sad the state of politics is in this country right now.

And anyone who thinks Reagan was our best President should not be allowed to have opinions on who the best President is.

Has anyone said in this thread that Reagan was our best president? Just curious if they did - do not recall that when I read through it the first time - or if you were creating a strawman to tear down.

Let me rephrase it, then.Anyone who thinks Reagan was a better President than Obama should not be allowed to have opinions on the President.

Yeah, thank God for tripling the deficit, Iran Contra, and that wonderfully successful war on drugs. Great job, Ronnie!

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm disappointed in Obama but I think it is the republicans that keep getting duped by their own party. Had McClain not selected Palin in 2008 they probably would have defeated Obama in his first election and had they put up a decent candidate in 2012 they would have trounced Obama in his second.

As long as the republicans harp on issues like guns, abortion and the "sanctity of marriage" and keep trodding out loser candidates they have no one to blame but themselves.

So there, it is YOUR fault we got stuck with Obama for a second term. Thanks a lot...

I think there was roughly a zero percent chance McCain was going to win the second the bottom fell out of the economy. Palin and his transparent ploy of suspending his campaign because of the crisis might have made it marginally worse, but he was losing either way.

Republicans probably should have won in 2012 though, given the economic conditions.

Yeah, anyone who thinks McCain would have won if he picked someone besides Palin is delusional. Saying they "should have" won in 2012 is a bit of a stretch as well, just based on the numbers. Besides, the "weak" economy continues to be spun as a positive by the likes of Gunz because of all of the damage caused by Bush, etc.

Color me delusional then. I was all set to vote McCain until he chose Palin as his running mate and have friends and family who felt the same. As far as 2012 goes, Obama's first term was so bad that any decent, reasonable candidate would have beaten him. The fact that a milquetoast candidate like Mitt Romney gave him a run for his money is proof of that.

Based on performance Obama should have been one and done but the Republicans were unable to come up with a candidate that could beat him. Pretty pathetic showing by the GOP if you ask me.

The bottom line is that neither party has the answers and the blind lemmings that follow them aren't making things better. GWB and Obama were/are both disasters, I don't see how anyone could defend either party but every day you get the same posters throwing rocks at one another and

Okay off my soapbox now...

 

[Parrothead]

http://www.politicspa.com/fm-poll-obama-job-approval-at-34/50537/

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[fatguyinalittlecoat]

http://www.politicspa.com/fm-poll-obama-job-approval-at-34/50537/

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Poll was taken before he legalized pot. Approval probably jumped 10% yesterday.

 

[Finless]

Sober as a judge. Not hard to figure out. When I use its a lot of work. Costs me about $100 a day. I don't have time to embarrass liberals in here.

On another not those "happy" with their vote should be lobotomized. You're a danger to your wife and kids and more importantly my country.

Care to unpack that one little sentence? What's a lot of work? Typing? Insulting people? Projecting bravado to cover-up some type of emptiness or inadequacy issues you're feeling inside?

Am I happy with the current state of the country? No. Do I like everything Obama's done while in office? No. Do I blame Obama for a lot of the stuff that's happened (or hasn't happened) the past five years? No. I blame all the sheep/lemmings on BOTH sides of the aisle, all the millions of partisan hacks and/or the people who were lobotomized after Clinton couldn't remember what the definition of 'is' is. Dividing our nation in two. And would I change my votes for POTUS in 2008 or 2012? No.

Liberals *AND* Conservatives are destroying our nation. Only those folks on the poles can't see the planks in their own eyes...all they can see (and talk about) are the specks on the other side of the aisle. Moderates/Independents are the only people with a friggin' clue, and any hope of saving this country. Everything else is just But you can't see that either. Imagine my surprise.

When I use drugs its a lot of work. I was responding to someone claims I am loaded. Once again: read, comprehend, then reply.

 

[roadkill1292]

Best thread in here in years.

You're easily entertained.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I'd just like to thank all of the people who voted for Obama, because I won money off of tommyboy.

and you got paid. I hear some people round this joint don't like to pay.

Tommy was very gracious and payment was prompt (as it would have been had the bet gone the other way and I had to pay you). No complaints on my end. You're good people in my book.

 

[The Commish]

I'm disappointed in Obama but I think it is the republicans that keep getting duped by their own party. Had McClain not selected Palin in 2008 they probably would have defeated Obama in his first election and had they put up a decent candidate in 2012 they would have trounced Obama in his second.

As long as the republicans harp on issues like guns, abortion and the "sanctity of marriage" and keep trodding out loser candidates they have no one to blame but themselves.

So there, it is YOUR fault we got stuck with Obama for a second term. Thanks a lot...

I think there was roughly a zero percent chance McCain was going to win the second the bottom fell out of the economy. Palin and his transparent ploy of suspending his campaign because of the crisis might have made it marginally worse, but he was losing either way.

Republicans probably should have won in 2012 though, given the economic conditions.

Yeah, anyone who thinks McCain would have won if he picked someone besides Palin is delusional. Saying they "should have" won in 2012 is a bit of a stretch as well, just based on the numbers. Besides, the "weak" economy continues to be spun as a positive by the likes of Gunz because of all of the damage caused by Bush, etc.

Color me delusional then. I was all set to vote McCain until he chose Palin as his running mate and have friends and family who felt the same. As far as 2012 goes, Obama's first term was so bad that any decent, reasonable candidate would have beaten him. The fact that a milquetoast candidate like Mitt Romney gave him a run for his money is proof of that.

Based on performance Obama should have been one and done but the Republicans were unable to come up with a candidate that could beat him. Pretty pathetic showing by the GOP if you ask me.

The bottom line is that neither party has the answers and the blind lemmings that follow them aren't making things better. GWB and Obama were/are both disasters, I don't see how anyone could defend either party but every day you get the same posters throwing rocks at one another and

Okay off my soapbox now...

This is pretty much spot on (except I wasn't going to vote for McCain)

 

[Finless]

Sober as a judge. Not hard to figure out. When I use its a lot of work. Costs me about $100 a day. I don't have time to embarrass liberals in here.

On another not those "happy" with their vote should be lobotomized. You're a danger to your wife and kids and more importantly my country.

Care to unpack that one little sentence? What's a lot of work? Typing? Insulting people? Projecting bravado to cover-up some type of emptiness or inadequacy issues you're feeling inside?

Am I happy with the current state of the country? No. Do I like everything Obama's done while in office? No. Do I blame Obama for a lot of the stuff that's happened (or hasn't happened) the past five years? No. I blame all the sheep/lemmings on BOTH sides of the aisle, all the millions of partisan hacks and/or the people who were lobotomized after Clinton couldn't remember what the definition of 'is' is. Dividing our nation in two. And would I change my votes for POTUS in 2008 or 2012? No.

Liberals *AND* Conservatives are destroying our nation. Only those folks on the poles can't see the planks in their own eyes...all they can see (and talk about) are the specks on the other side of the aisle. Moderates/Independents are the only people with a friggin' clue, and any hope of saving this country. Everything else is just But you can't see that either. Imagine my surprise.

I'll say it once again: read my posts, try to comprehend them, don't skim them, then reply. I have never once in any of my posts defended our typical conservatives or the GOP candidates or any other mainstream conservative...except the Great Dr. Savage.

 

[flapgreen]

about that vote today? Feel like you? Admit you were duped? That he's not at all who you thought he was? Nobel peace prize? please.

I bring this up because I don't see those same folks who were flying the retro, Soviet inspired, Shepard Fairey Obama posters, well flying those flags anymore.

Is this the change you were looking for? No difference between Bush or Obama...they're both reptiles.

Admit what you did.

They will always blame someone else or ignore reality altogether. That's how it always is.

 

[The Commish]

Sober as a judge. Not hard to figure out. When I use its a lot of work. Costs me about $100 a day. I don't have time to embarrass liberals in here.

On another not those "happy" with their vote should be lobotomized. You're a danger to your wife and kids and more importantly my country.

Care to unpack that one little sentence? What's a lot of work? Typing? Insulting people? Projecting bravado to cover-up some type of emptiness or inadequacy issues you're feeling inside?

Am I happy with the current state of the country? No. Do I like everything Obama's done while in office? No. Do I blame Obama for a lot of the stuff that's happened (or hasn't happened) the past five years? No. I blame all the sheep/lemmings on BOTH sides of the aisle, all the millions of partisan hacks and/or the people who were lobotomized after Clinton couldn't remember what the definition of 'is' is. Dividing our nation in two. And would I change my votes for POTUS in 2008 or 2012? No.

Liberals *AND* Conservatives are destroying our nation. Only those folks on the poles can't see the planks in their own eyes...all they can see (and talk about) are the specks on the other side of the aisle. Moderates/Independents are the only people with a friggin' clue, and any hope of saving this country. Everything else is just But you can't see that either. Imagine my surprise.

I'll say it once again: read my posts, try to comprehend them, don't skim them, then reply. I have never once in any of my posts defended our typical conservatives or the GOP candidates or any other mainstream conservative...except the Great Dr. Savage.

It's odd to me that you single out the Obama voters. If this weren't some sort of rant by you and you were being intellectually honest, you'd have included any voter who's voted for any of the problem children in office today, regardless of them being Dem or Repub. Just an observation.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Hold a election tomorrow and McCain would lose by a bigger margin than the first time.

If anything, I think that just proves that a lot of people vote party, no matter what.

I'd offer you a hot cup of ####, but you're probably too dumb to accept it.

OK.

 

[dozer]

Obama won because the conservatives didn't pray hard enough.

 

[Finless]

about that vote today? Feel like you? Admit you were duped? That he's not at all who you thought he was? Nobel peace prize? please.

I bring this up because I don't see those same folks who were flying the retro, Soviet inspired, Shepard Fairey Obama posters, well flying those flags anymore.

Is this the change you were looking for? No difference between Bush or Obama...they're both reptiles.

Admit what you did.

They will always blame someone else or ignore reality altogether. That's how it always is.

Not quite because a few guys had the nads to come in here, ignore the constant fishing accusations and admit what they did. Admit they were fooled by the serpent. Admit they did not get what they voted for. When Cheney saddled up with Bush I'm pretty sure many knew what we were getting. How many Obama voters thought we'd be at war for another 8 years? All this talk about a liberal peaceful president who would change our nation. So he allowed states to legalize herb if they so choose to. Like I said, crumbs for those who never get a seat at the table anyhow. Keep em baked...pacified. With all the issues we got going on a good percentage of the population cares for little more than being able to buy herb in a store and smoke it without legal repercussion. Do your thing, but thats what matters? that will be his legacy? War, herb and the Obamaphone? I spent 10 years of my life smoking, growing and selling herb. Never cared too much about the laws. One thing I do know if it ever comes off the books federally, which it won't it will be a #### show. The laws that will dictate how and who grows it and where it is sold and how much it is taxed will kill the current cottage industry. People will be left with an inferior product, ripe with chemicals, taxed to hell.

Look at how tobacco is treated. With the exception of American Spirit you cannot find a cigarette that actually contains more than 25-30% tobacco. It's all a reconstituted slurry of floor scrapings, chemical additives and strange fillers.

Tobacco is legal, right? Try growing some in your back yard. You'd be better off having a poppy, coca farm.

If you defend Obama you are either lying to yourself or fishing. He is a serpent. He's worse than a puppet.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

He's worse than a puppet.

Pretty ironic coming from someone with a puppet as an avatar.