countingcrow
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[Fox] Reggie Bush (Torn Meniscus) (1 Viewer)
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
That pretty much kills my team.......it wasnt doing well to start with.......
countingcrow
Footballguy
I don't think they'll rush him back with so much running back depth (McAllister, Thomas, Stecker).
walkwithme
Footballguy
Yeah I just heard on CBS halftime show he will be out 3-4 weeks
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
wow- right after i just trade for this guy a few days ago. Great@!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
At least! I would say 4-6 before he is 100%
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
What are you basing this on?
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
I had surgery on my medial meniscus at the beginning of September. I had a minor tear. I'm fortunate to live near one of the top knee surgeons in the country; he regularly consults for ESPN and used to do some work with a couple of pro sports teams. I had a minor tear & it took 3 weeks before I felt like I could begin to put any kind of stress on it.. After about 4 weeks, I'd say my knee was 85%. I'd say Bush may be able to play in 3-4 weeks but he won't be able to effectively cut for at least 4-5 weeks. I know others that have has simialr surgeries and 4 weeks seems to be the minimum.tribecalledjeff said:
blackjack23
Footballguy
Boldin had surgery on a torn meniscus a few years ago. They said hed be out like 3-6 weeks but he was pretty useless when he came back
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I'm not saying you are wrong nor do I mean any disrespect...but I doubt that you have A) the physical attributes of an NFL quality RB and B) the resources that an NFL franchise has to helps make sure that their star player is back to 100%....specifically before a Joe Six Pack would be.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
With all due respect, you weren't rehabing 24/7 after the surgery. As of right now, Bush's job is to rehab. He's getting paid to do it, and future paychecks depend on it. Plus, they have what is called cortisone shots, and they use it very freely. I believe ADP only missed 2 games last year after partially tearing his MCL, which is worse than a meniscal tear- the meniscus has a better blood supply than ligaments in the kneeI think he'll be back after 4 weeks, so week 12 he'll play again
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
love it
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
And Bush won't have "Joe the Dr." doing the surgery.
Ksquared
Footballguy
You have this backwards. Meniscus/cartilage is much harder and longer to heal due to the lack of blood flow. When someone heals quickly from a meniscus surgery it is normally due to just cutting out the damaged section. If there is a tear that they want to try to suture together, the patient will normally not be allowed any weight bearing on the joint for several weeks.
yinzer
Footballguy
Im pretty sure there are degrees to the severity of the tearThat year, Boldin had the surgery before the season started and I dont think he was expected back until around week 10Typically, when teams give ballpark weeks for returns, theyre pretty accurate.
umenyura tore his and is missing the season.i tore mine and havent been the same and never will be.i guess it depends. seems crazy he will be back so fast. even crazier, how did they diagnose it so quick? insta mri i guess?
i hope htey are not shooting bushes knees up with cortisone at this point in his career. there are plenty of trainers, even in the nfl who refuse to shoot directly into joints. its more prevalent to avoid cortisone in the nba but still.i can see a late career guy doing it but i hope bush isnt.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
TheHuddle) Updating previous reports, The Times-Picayune reports New Orleans Saints RB Reggie Bush (knee) is undergoing arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn medial meniscus in his left knee Monday, Oct. 20. Head coach Sean Payton said it sounds like Bush will only be sidelined on a 'short-term basis,' though he didn't offer any specifics why he felt that way.
Analysis: Early reports indicated Bush would be sidelined anywhere from two to four weeks. If he's sidelined closer to two, that would obviously minimize the detrimental effect on the New Orleans offense. Until he returns, however, slightly downgrade Drew Brees, because the Saint passing game will suffer without the threat Bush poses catching balls out of the backfield.
(Rotoworld) Orthopedic Dr. James Andrews performed arthroscopic surgery on the medial meniscus in Reggie Bush's left knee Monday. Bush is expected to miss 2-4 weeks.
Analysis: Profootballtalk.com suggests that Bush could miss more time to ensure he's 100%, but the Saints would probably have to start winning for that to be a possibility. "Hopefully (he will be sidelined) on a short-term basis rather than a long-term basis, and it sounds like that's the case," coach Sean Payton said, sounding optimistic. Deuce McAllister will start while Bush is out. Pierre Thomas will get his share of carries.
Sounds like he'll only miss 3 games; thats not too bad at all
Analysis: Early reports indicated Bush would be sidelined anywhere from two to four weeks. If he's sidelined closer to two, that would obviously minimize the detrimental effect on the New Orleans offense. Until he returns, however, slightly downgrade Drew Brees, because the Saint passing game will suffer without the threat Bush poses catching balls out of the backfield.
(Rotoworld) Orthopedic Dr. James Andrews performed arthroscopic surgery on the medial meniscus in Reggie Bush's left knee Monday. Bush is expected to miss 2-4 weeks.
Analysis: Profootballtalk.com suggests that Bush could miss more time to ensure he's 100%, but the Saints would probably have to start winning for that to be a possibility. "Hopefully (he will be sidelined) on a short-term basis rather than a long-term basis, and it sounds like that's the case," coach Sean Payton said, sounding optimistic. Deuce McAllister will start while Bush is out. Pierre Thomas will get his share of carries.
Sounds like he'll only miss 3 games; thats not too bad at all
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
There is no way that Bush comes back in two weeks from this surgery. I say 4 weeks at the absolute least... and that is only if everything goes perfect. Even at that point, he isn't going to be ready to carry the sort of load that he was carrying until much later. We are talking about the NFL here, and Reggie Bush NEEDS to be able to make serious cuts, and put serious torque on his knees in order to do what he does.
#1 lesson learned... there is no point for the Saints run Reggie Bush as a running back anymore. Honestly... he is probably the least effective running back on the team at that position. Put him in the slot. Not only is that where he could be the most effective... it also doesn't open him up to punishment that he really doesn't need to take.
#1 lesson learned... there is no point for the Saints run Reggie Bush as a running back anymore. Honestly... he is probably the least effective running back on the team at that position. Put him in the slot. Not only is that where he could be the most effective... it also doesn't open him up to punishment that he really doesn't need to take.
It's really quite amazing how many orthopedic surgeons hang out on the Football Guys message boards.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I will be around in two weeks... I bet that I am right. I have seen this injury, and this surgery before. There is a difference between being able to walk around, and being able to perform at the NFL level.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Was he hurt on a punt return or on a handoff?I don't disagree with your sentiment, but do wrs not get hit anymore...if so there'd be pretty high scoring games with all those wrs running unmolested down the field.
MarcO
Footballguy
And NFL offensive coordinators...
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Let's make this simple....Would Reggie Bush take more punishment if he only caught footballs.... or if he caught footballs and rushed the ball 15-20 times as well? Nobody said that he wouldn't get hit from the slot position. However, you have to be really out of touch if you don't know that running backs take more punishment than any other position. Especially a running back who is also used so much in the passing game as well. My point was pretty obvious. Reggie Bush's production as a running back isn't worth the punishment that he takes there... considering how useful he is in the passing game. ESPECIALLY considering that there is arguably 3 other running backs on that team who are better or just as good as Reggie rushing the ball. BTW... Reggie was struggling with an injury on the same knee going into that game. I don't think it was just hurt on that play.
taz
Footballguy
Good recap from the Times-Picayune. They're saying 3-4 weeks, and Dr. Andrews says it "went well, and a full recovery is expected within a month."
http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/10/ne...ush_has_kn.html
As far as who takes his place:
Thomas=Spell McAllister on running downs
Stecker=Pass-catching/3rd down back
So if Payton wants to run plays designed for Bush, he'd go with Stecker in that situation, and would be a good pickup in PPR.
http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/10/ne...ush_has_kn.html
As far as who takes his place:
Since Stecker would seem to be the best pass-catching option of the three, I'm thinking:McAllister=Primary ball-carrrier
Thomas=Spell McAllister on running downs
Stecker=Pass-catching/3rd down back
So if Payton wants to run plays designed for Bush, he'd go with Stecker in that situation, and would be a good pickup in PPR.
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
Shouldn't you be around for at least 4-5 weeks based on your original statement?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I agree that missing only 1 game is a lot to ask for... but the fact is we still don't know whats going on w/ this injury. It seems very minor; when he got hurt, he didn't even limp off the field... as far as I know, he ran to the sideline during a Punt Return and next thing we knew was that he was shut down for the day. So his injury could be very minor... but I would say they give him the whole 4 weeks, especially if thier winning games.as for your second statement... I'm just sick of hearing this.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
While true that the poster does not have the physical attributes of an NFL back, nor the access to the rehab resources, the poster also does not have to put the strain on his knee that an NFL RB does. Regardless of people's opinions on Bush as a RB or WR, he's an integral part of the Saints offence and I can't see the Saints rushing him back and risking re-injury.The meniscus is basically avascular, meaning there is little to no blood flow to it, which slows healing significantly. When Anquan Boldin had his meniscus repaired a couple years back, they used stitches to put it back together. This requires a much longer recouperation time since the cartilage takes so long to mend back together. The other procedure when dealing with meniscal tears is a partial menisectomy, which is where the surgeon goes in and cuts the loose cartilage away, then re-shapes the remaining cartilage to give the meniscus is wedge shape again. It would appear that this is the type of surgery Bush had.For a back like Bush, who relies on speed, planting and sharp cuts, recovery time should be in the neighbourhood of 4 weeks. For Joe Six Pack, recovery time is generally 4-6 weeks, so considering that Bush is an NFL back and the surgeon said a 3-4 week recovery time (note that he said recovery time rather than returning to NFL action at 100%), a 4 week timetable seems reasonable. He could come back earlier, but I'd expect to see him versus GB or TB in week 12 or 13.
