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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (9 Viewers)

cockroach said:
They've made her a little more sympathetic lately, but Cersi is more hated than both and will remind us why very soon.
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She started out as a villain (as did her brother Jamie) but both became more complex that the purely evil Joffrey and Ramsey. I root for Cersei to defeat the Sparrow. 

 
timschochet said:
She started out as a villain (as did her brother Jamie) but both became more complex that the purely evil Joffrey and Ramsey. I root for Cersei to defeat the Sparrow. 
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I have a feeling that the means to which she'd find her ends in defeating the Sparrow will have you rethinking who you backed. 

 
timschochet said:
She started out as a villain (as did her brother Jamie) but both became more complex that the purely evil Joffrey and Ramsey. I root for Cersei to defeat the Sparrow. 
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I have to admit, I have not been able to figure out the Sparrow's end game.  Sometimes I think he is going for a power grab and others, I think he is just an overly zealous pious man.

But come on ... Cersei is just an evil person.  I get it, some of her heinous acts have been to ensure her children can have the best lives possible, but others are just indicative of what a horrible person she is.  Everything that has happened and hopefully will happen, she has earned completely.

 
1) Danny needs to have an unpredicted storyline soon.  

2) #### them for tricking me into believing that the red lady is an old gollum looking thing.   

3) ser Davos the old pirate looks like a jedi looking at the stag toy he gave sharene.

4) feels like we missed a scene between the bad guys getting killed by dragons and theon and Yara showing up in danny's chambers. 

5) 100% sure that yara had a leather pantsed ### model for the scene with danny.

6) that handshake between danny and yara made it jump a little.   

7) when important dudes die they always get an episode to celebrate their character.  Barely even a few of distance shots of 11.

8) Luke from modern family had about the right number of speaking lines in this series.   I think he had zero. 

9) flowing locks Jon >>> pony tail Jon

10) second in command bad guys never seen to do well in these things.  It's like hey who's that guy oh big red is going to fight him oh no that me guy seems to be winning ya but big red gonna eat some ear.   

11) big red eating a dudes war < big red saying happy ####ting to davos.

12) sad music pretty much guarantees the guy doesn't die.   

 
That shot of Jon Snow in the middle of the battle being smothered on all sides may be the single best moment I have ever watched on television. If we were watching a movie, it would be regarded as an all time cinematic moment. For a television show- we've never seen anything like that. 

 
timschochet said:
I admit I haven't watched every show but I'm familiar with most of the major ones. Who has been a better villain than those two? 
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IMO people you want to die <> good villain.  I think Littlefinger and Tywin are better bad guys just from this show.  Ramsey is way too one note, Joffrey at least had something else to him. 

 
I've already jerked it twice, once to Jon snow getting smothered in a ponytail, and once just knowing Tim was jerking it to Jon snow getting smothered in a ponytail.  It was like we were in the same room together. 

 
The only thing missing from this show is another show right after that discusses the show. Have a studio audience of about 40 people with a host and guests on it for about 42 minutes. That would make this the best show ever.

 
timschochet said:
So now the two greatest villains in television history, Joffrey and Ramsay, are both dead. Who's left to hate on the show? 
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I'm guessing they'll try to make Euron Greyjoy into that type of character although it may be a little late in the game to bring in someone for fans to love to hate. As others have said Cersei is still an evil character. She's just been reduced about 20 notches because the High Sparrow has been drop-kicking her around so much lately but if she finally is able to beat him then her true nature will quickly return. And if she's back in power in King's Landing when Dany arrives that should be a fun showdown.    

The ultimate big bad remains the Night King.

 
timschochet said:
Guys like him, or Sauron from LOTR, are just too impersonal to be great. 
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But that's likely going to be the ultimate battle. At least that's what everything appears to be building toward. The Night King is the personification of evil on the show. He's the biggest "bad guy" the "good guys" have to defeat. I obviously don't know how the show is going to end but I'm assuming the battle with the White Walkers will be one of the final battles if not the final one we'll see on the show. 

 
packersfan said:
But that's likely going to be the ultimate battle. At least that's what everything appears to be building toward. The Night King is the personification of evil on the show. He's the biggest "bad guy" the "good guys" have to defeat. I obviously don't know how the show is going to end but I'm assuming the battle with the White Walkers will be one of the final battles if not the final one we'll see on the show. 
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No doubt. 

But IMO the truly great villains are the ones with whom the viewer has a personal connection. That's why "Wrath of Khan" is correctly regarded as the best Star Trek move, for example. Or why Darth Vader was a better villain than the emperor in the original Star Wars Trilogy. 

I'm satisfied with the way that Ramsay died, but OTOH I wish they had found a way to keep him alive. He was obviously gifted with fine military skills, so it would have been fascinating to watch him face the White Walkers. Also, the fact that there was no final confrontation with Theon is too bad as well. 

 
Once hbo got letters about jamie raping his sister on his kids grave, sansa was locked in as the one who would kill randy.

 
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As predictable as the Battle of the Bastards was, did anybody else think for a little bit that some of Ramsey's troops were going to end up turning on him?  The idea was planted by Jon Snow saying they wouldn't be thrilled to fight for him when he wouldn't fight for them.  Then when Ramsey kept ordering his archers to fire even though they were killing their own men as much as the enemy while Ser Davos refrained from doing the same, it seemed like they might be setting that up.  

That probably would have been too cheesy, though.

 
The next "big bad" will be Dany. Think about it from a Westeros citizen POV.... daughter of the Mad King coming over with three dragons, 100,000 raping horselords, Tyrion The Kingslayer as her advisor, etc...

 
stbugs said:
How about just having an actual weapon, say like a tree or a long metal pole? He could have smashed a whole side of the enemy with ease. Maybe even knocked the guys shooting arrows at him at the castle. If he had a shield (like the door he knocked down) or thick armor and a sword he could have likely taken out the other army by himself. 
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Agreed.  I got the impression afterwards that the writers only really wanted the giant there for the castle scene and didn't know how to keep him from having too big an impact on the rest of the battle without it being a bit awkward.

 
jhib said:
As predictable as the Battle of the Bastards was, did anybody else think for a little bit that some of Ramsey's troops were going to end up turning on him?  The idea was planted by Jon Snow saying they wouldn't be thrilled to fight for him when he wouldn't fight for them.  Then when Ramsey kept ordering his archers to fire even though they were killing their own men as much as the enemy while Ser Davos refrained from doing the same, it seemed like they might be setting that up.  

That probably would have been too cheesy, though.
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As opposed to the 3rd or 4th time we see another army come in at the last minute to save the day? ;)

 
KarmaPolice said:
As opposed to the 3rd or 4th time we see another army come in at the last minute to save the day? ;)
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Ha.  Yeah, pretty much.  That's just such standard practice cheesy, though, that it's easier to pull off.  

Anyway, I forgive it.  It was an awesome battle scene.

 
Just went back and watched the start of season 1, watching Jamie throw Bran out of the window, he was hoping to his death, almost forgot how evil Jamie is/was.

 
There has never been a show of a higher quality than GoT. The team it takes from writers to scripts to directors to set designers to cgi to casting to filming, to editing, and on and on. No show has ever been this "big."

As technically great as "Battle of the Bastards" was, I prefer "Blackwater." It's dark and seems small scale after recent seasons, but the  stories behind the battle are what made it. Tyron/Brann + Joffrey, the Hound (#### the king), Sansa + Cersei and young Tommen. Illin Payne ready to execute all the women. 

 
Spin said:
Hardhomme was awesome because no one saw it coming.  This battle has been hyped for a good chunk of the season.  Was definitely an amazing battle.
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I waited years for an episode like Hardhomme and still didn't see it coming.   This was a great episode but not Hardhomme.  I don't know if Ive ever seen an episode I enjoyed more in any show than that.  Probably never be topped for me. 

 
Ilov80s said:
There has never been a show of a higher quality than GoT. The team it takes from writers to scripts to directors to set designers to cgi to casting to filming, to editing, and on and on. No show has ever been this "big."

As technically great as "Battle of the Bastards" was, I prefer "Blackwater." It's dark and seems small scale after recent seasons, but the  stories behind the battle are what made it. Tyron/Brann + Joffrey, the Hound (#### the king), Sansa + Cersei and young Tommen. Illin Payne ready to execute all the women. 
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Never been a show anywhere near Game of Thrones.  Doubt there ever will be

 
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